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AstroBio Interesting idea. But how would the Engineers know their guy "Jesus" was killed- suspense time or date? Even then, nothing seemed to happen until the Prometheus crew blundered in to stir things up.
IRaptus That sounds plausible. The difference was it never seemed to wake up and walk around like people did before the burst. I might chalk it up to a difference of physiology from humans, except the dog was conscious just prior to the burst in the other cut. Maybe Babe was old and just stayed asleep.
Where's SM when you need him?I'm certain he might have a good explanation.He often did
Watson, I do believe nin may be onto something here. "Come, Scified, come! The creature is afoot. Not a word since noone can hear you scream anyway! Into your space suit and come!"
I never thought it either lol.I had an extremely bizarre dream about Alien 3 and awoke with this question in my head.One theory i have is perhaps the Royal Facehugger that the assembly cut teased.The Facehugger is quite large and the ox also significantly bigger mouth and head.
hmmm good pick-up!
Perhaps the inmates found it comatose (post face-hugged) and had it sent to slaughter for a big old barbecue?
BigDave said, "Which when we discover HOW/WHY/WHEN these ended up on this Distant World.... we get the Answers that reveal that a similar Mishap lead to LV-426 and thus we get the Answers with out even having to go to LV-426"
I like this idea because it is plausible and it doesn't interfere with the original Alien any more than Prometheus does.
I think this could be a route taken for the prequel finale. It could also be interesting to maybe explore the idea that maybe a fellow Engineer got a huge ego and tried to play God (like David did in Alien: Covenant) and led to similar events. Of course, in our story we follow David.
I think it's a plausible theory since the Engineers are a much older race than humans. I wouldn't be surprised if a group of Engineers got together to play God and go against the typical "seeding worlds" route and instead had a deep hate for their leader and sought to destroy him/her/them. I could imagine that some Engineers would not like the whole self-sacrificing idea. They may have when they joined the world-seeding group, but once they thought about it and learned of the ways, they instead decide against self-sacrifice. Instead of returning home for certain reasons, they decide to end the world-seeding all together and try and destroy their leader. Or maybe the Engineers are born into the world-seeding group. They could be bred to seed worlds. Obviously this could create conflict in a human and I'm sure the same would go for an Engineer.
Maybe that is what happened on LV-223? So, maybe we're watching David discover what is going to happen to him before he ever realizes that he wants to kill his leader/leaders/creators. I think that could make people watch Prometheus again just to soak in the irony and to watch what "happened" on LV-223, in a way, through David.
David can't stand up to a group of Engineers. If the Engineers come back in the finale, I think we can count of David getting his head ripped off and crushed like a cockroach. The Engineer in Prometheus obviously didn't understand AI or he would've done that. He was in a hurry though and he thought he could easily get away, so the headless David couldn't stop him. Prometheus space ship did by self-sacrifice. I would think that maybe the Engineer would stop and think, "Those humans killed themselves to stop me from killing their home world. Maybe they're not so bad."
In Prometheus, that Engineer had his mind made up. Nothing was going to stop him from flying off LV-223. That is until more luck came into play.
I'm getting a bit off topic here, but I do like how Shaw is shown to be a religious character and at the end, there was a lot of luck falling in Shaw's direction. It's like God was looking out for her in a way. I guess that is why she still believes at the very end when she puts her necklace on.
It never crossed my mind but you are right that is something interesting to ponder. Since babe was dead likely due to trauma where the burster grew (lungs), it seems the burster no longer required an oxygen source after Babe died. At this time, my best guess would be that Babe was not dead for long. Perhaps the burster ran out of oxygen after Babe died, panicked and burst out at that time?
I am waking this discussion up :-)
The Advent was such a necessary ingredient, though I do miss the old way of putting it all on film.
After watching both Prometheus & Covenant many times now
I am curious...
"But then they tried to banish the Wolves and undo their creation, so i took their secrets for myself."
"I finally found my wolf" (xeno/protomorph)
David seems to clearly identify his wolf as his version of the xenomorph. Not the primordial ooze/pathogen. I wonder if the Engineers' "wolves" were the Xeno/Destroyer Engineers seen in Prometheus on LV-223 and if the "outbreak" on LV-223 was not in fact deliberate *sabotage*. Perhaps by the more noble-seeming seeder/sacrificial Engineers from the beautiful opening scene in Prometheus, which is alleged to have taken place billions of years ago. I wonder if the Engineers on Planet 4 did not create the albino Engineers in the distant past with a multi-faceted, sophisticated combination of DNA editing and genetic manipulation. Developed by the Engineers but perfected by the creations themselves. Synthetic organic beings with superior intelligence and genetics. Essentially 100% organic AI's. Older, but better designed than David. However noble the early seeder Engineers appear to be, the seemingly later xeno/destroyer Engineers with their advanced pressure suits and apparent ill-intent appear to have been ambushed on LV-223. I would think that they had all but eliminated functional mistakes. The thought of an accidental outbreak doesn't sit right. If you notice the hole in the outer door of the temple (that the Prometheus crew used to access the temple) appeared to have been broken in from the outside. I wonder if that was the Engineers' "banishing and undoing of their creations". We see 5 temples in that one particular area on LV-223 and David says that there are "many other" Juggernauts stored there. Many means more than a few. Potentially dozens. David made it clear that a single application of the pathogen is all it took to render an entire planet uninhabitable. How many worlds were the LV-223 Engineers planning to eradicate of fauna? Was Planet 4/Paradise possibly one of them in an ancient plot to wipe out all races seeded by their creators? It is intriguing to ponder.
In the Peter Weyland files, Weyland does state that his team picked up a faint signal from LV-426 and that the Moon was of utmost importance if LV-223 did not bear fruit, so it makes sense to have the derelict & The Jockey be a part of the LV-223 "incident" 2,000 years ago, to keep them ancient. As they should be.
David stated that the pathogen came in many forms. The pathogen stored in the temple explored by the Prometheus crew was clearly coded differently than the pathogen that David used on the Engineers on Paradise, which was stored in the next temple in line of the 5, where David & Shaw procured their Juggernaut. Its safe to assume that multiple versions of the pathogen were formulated & stored on LV-223. While not seen in Covent, the novel by ADF states that David finds an ancient egg with dead facehugger inside on Planet 4. A clue that the Engineers also developed facehugger eggs and that at least one of the temples on LV-223 could have been devoted to eggs instead of urns. This reinforces the derelict on LV-426, storing facehugger eggs beneath a stasis field (instead of climate controlled urns) as its cargo, having originally made an attempt to escape from the LV-223 incident.
This can keep the original biomechanical xenomorph terror lore intact while David creates a variant that is similar in color and form, but still quite different.
"There was so much potential on this world. Wasted by Gods that feared their own might"
Why not be benevolent "Gods" that do not push the envelope? That do not need to control in egotistical ways? Perhaps this is why David perceived Paradise as "rotting". Because the original Engineers had stopped being "Gods" and lived more humble, simpler lives....Before David annihilated them....
Sorry to go slightly against the grain here and disagree with you all about why the engineers pointed us to LV-223. I've used most of what you guys and gals already gathered and thought of a different and more sinister line of reasoning. This is a horror movie after all. My take on this is the Engineers are indeed space gardeners, and pointing us to the installation at LV-223 was a means for us to let them know we're ready for harvest. That's all. I think they seed planets for life like we grow vegetables and fruits. We wait for harvest time and pluck out all the fruit. I think they wait for us to be intelligent enough to reach them so they can then create the xenomorphs that inherit our intelligence combined with the creature's hostility making it the perfect organism.
I am not sure why they would create the xenomorph unless for the Engineers' weapon division. The Galaxy is much bigger and might be much more inhabited than previously thought.
The verse in Leviticus 2:23 talks about the unclean in the sacred place. The unclean refers to humanity and the sacred place is obviously the installation. The unclean must then be cleansed. 2000 years ago humans experienced the rise of christianity which with it came a more evolved and knowledgeable species. It is possible that the engineers decided to attack then because of that realization and something went wrong that delayed the situation past its due date.
This of course would contradict the whole idea of come find us so we can make xenomorphs out of you. But its very possible that nothing did go wrong and the Engineers were not coming to destroy us 2000 years ago. There's no actual evidence of that except for what David says and he's not the most trustworthy source.
But if they were coming to destroy it would make it necessary that an engineer was tortured and murdered like Jesus and it prompted them, to come to earth earlier.
After watching Covenant I realized that David/Walter might come out as heros to save humanity from the Engineers who only seed planets for their own needs. Like we do with plants.
I find this to be a highly interesting discussion and one that has certainly got me thinking. My own take on all of this is a little bit different. (maybe)
As Big Dave has pointed out, the meaning behind the word Xenomorph comes from the Greek translation of ALIEN-FORM. The word “Xenomorph” itself does not denote any clue to function or some type of species, such as woodpecker or lesser crested gobshite. It is just a noun to describe something, but what exactly is that something?
From the entire franchise (to the best of my knowledge) a xenomorph is an offspring which results in the death of the creature giving birth to it. Though not a traditional birth as such.The Xenomorph is an outcome. I don’t really consider it to be a parasite because it gestates in a manner that treats its host as its mother. So for me the Xenomorph itself is nothing more than an end result/product.
The facehugger on the other hand, I would class as a parasite. And one that utilizes its hosts DNA to create its offspring. It’s the facehugger that I would consider bestowing a title such as species onto it. The facehugger has been shown to be the common element and precursor to whatever xenomorph emerges. The big difference with the facehugger of course, is that it is not exactly species specific when looking for a host and would appear happy with any port in a storm. I think when it comes to looking a classification, the facehugger should be the real starting point.
Alien Covenant has shown that motes are a subtly different delivery system when compared to a facehugger, and as such we see that the offspring is different. Prometheus, imo plays around with the mechanisms, but generally the delivery system is equal to the facehugger, but because the trilobite is the impregnator, the outcome is a little different and in the form of the deacon. The overall dna delivery system and birthing procedure are what I think places things within a newly defined form of classification, and the term xenomorph should be held as a descriptive noun for what it is. That being the outcome/end result, manifestation of an organism being facehugged.
BTW I like the idea of a xenoshark.
What we can take away related to the OT...
Is that during the Editing/Cutting Room for Alien Covenant, and during the Process of making the Advent Viral.. Ridley Scott had a Plan, he had a Story of where the events of ALIEN: Covenant would eventually lead to ALIEN it appears this Plan would have required TWO movies to Shoe-horn HOW/WHEN/WHY Davids Creations end up on the Derelict in Alien.
At the point of Release of Alien Covenant, its safe to assume RS had the broad strokes to how we get from AC to Alien... and that the FIRST stage in this had been worked on even prior to AC release, and it appears some changes had been made prior to AC and in light of AC.
But as of the Release of AC, RS had Logan writing and we can assume nearly finishing the Draft that would have allowed for SHOOTING of the Sequel to had began in the Summer of 2018, we can safely assume they had the ideas of where this sequel would also end up as far as a 3rd Alien: Prefix movie Prequel would go
If we Do-Not get nothing regarding any Prequels by Alien Day 2019 i think Disney could be wise to give us a Teaser, by releasing a Broad Synopsis of Logans Alien Covenant Sequel as far as what it entailed as of SUMMER 2017
With the Disapointment of AC at the Box Office and Critics of it, and impending Disney Take Over, out Prequels are in a State of Limbo and who knows how far different the Story will be explored by the TIME and IF Disney decide to explore it.
If they dont... then i really hope we get a release of Logans AC sequel Draft at some-point, to see where this Franchise was heading
Totally understand... i was not trying to suggest you was not denying all the hybridization process ;)
I think the Xenomorph was name just pulled out by Cameron, and Xenomorph just basically translates to ALIEN-FORM to a degree anything Alien to Earth could be called a Xenomorph.. but in context to the Organisms in the Franchise its what has Stuck for us, and only since the W-Y Report that it was given a designation XX-121
The Alien Franchise did leave the Mystery of its Origins... The True Origins of the Xenomorph was something ever evolving since its inception with Star Beast.
Prior to the Prequels all we could gain is that the Organism on the Derelict was something the Space Jockey Race had as a Cargo. The questions raised would be.
*Was this a Organism encountered the Space Jockey was trying to take away for research and experiments (this is similar to the Space Jockey in Star Beast).
*Was this a Organism the Space Jockey had Engineered/Created and if so was it from Scratch, or something Engineered from something else they encountered (this is what Alien Engineers had shown us).
Prometheus kind of went the 2nd route but kept it vague.....
Alien Covenant well this kind of made a bit of a mess of it all to be honest.
I will add....
Going the route as above, where David arrived at a place THOUSANDS of Light Years away... maybe even Hundreds of Thousands... would allow RS to explore his Engineers, Creation, many other Races...
It could have answered what LV-223 was, those answers Dr Shaw wanted, and given clues to what transpired on LV-426...
David could end up going to a World the Engineers had sucsessfully delivered its Bio-Weapon, or reveal that another attempt was sabotaged and ended up on another Moon/Planet where we see Xenomorph or similar Organisms.... Which when we discover HOW/WHY/WHEN these ended up on this Distant World.... we get the Answers that reveal that a similar Mishap lead to LV-426 and thus we get the Answers with out even having to go to LV-426
Exploring this kind of a Story, set on the FAR side of the Galaxy, also allows for FOX/RS to make Sequels to this Prequel Route where a Returning Engineer Ship could enter back towards our side of the Galaxy in Hundreds of years after Aliens...
RE-INTRODUCING the Xenomorph back into the Franchise and allowing for a NEW Xenomorph Related Franchise that is set after the events of Alien Resurrection and does not Conflict or Contradict anything.
Then open up Ridley Scotts WAR OF THE WORLDS
The Engineers, their Hierarchy and History, the unlimited scope of Humanoid Races are all something Prometheus opened up, and our Space Gardeners could Travel Millions of Light Years to many Galaxies.
Our Galaxy is MASSIVE... but the sequel to Prometheus has now confined everything Engineer/Xenomorph to a Tiny Area local to Earth within less than Hundreds of Light Years away....
BIG MISTAKE
@I Moon Girl
I agree, i think in trying to Tie in AC with Alien, because Felt Fans was not pleased with the lack of Answers in Prometheus and NO Xenomorphs has led to what we got in AC and the flaws it raises.
In Hindsight.... those at FOX needed to look at the Clues that Prometheus had set up, the whole Engineers Agenda and Purpose, and with AC we are given what RS is referring to the Engineers Homeworld as being something on our DOOR-STEPS the Facts now are if the company have the Co-orinants of Planet 4, then even by the time of ALIEN ships like the Nostromo could reach/find the Engineers Homeworld within a year, and if we go to the year 2179 then Human Ships could get to Planet 4 in a few Months and Origae-6 in less than a few Years.... THIS REALLY NARROWS down the whole Engineer Story.
The Engineer Navigation System's have Galaxies, so Traveling though-out Space is easy for them and so LV-223 to Planet 4 and both to Earth is merely a stone throw for the Engineers in fact maybe far less.
THEY could have had David Arrive at the Engineers World that is Many Many Thousands of Light years away.... Far Beyond any Scope of Mankind ever getting there even at the time of the Technology in the Sulaco.
What about Human Characters?
SIMPLE... Ridley Scott said the Sacrificial Scene could be anywhere it does not have to be Earth, and so these Engineers seeded many worlds... and so we have to ask is EARTH the only Place where Humans are in the Galaxy?
The BSG Franchise showed that there are Humans in the Galaxy away from Earth, and the Re-imagined Series with its Prequel Caprica shows Earth is not the only Place with Humans.
So RS could have took us to a place on the FAR side of the Galaxy and introduce other Species of Humans, they could have explored the Engineers also in a place Far away from Earth, and even given clues to Alien and the Xenomorph this way.
Leaving the only contradiction to the Alien Franchise as LV-223 and what becomes of this place in the years after Prometheus and until Alien.
Going the Route of AC has Shrunk down the Potential that Prometheus had opened up.... but AC had to do this if they wanted a sequel to Prometheus to DIRECTLY and eventually link to Alien.
@BigDave
Well I wasn't denying all the hybridization process I'm just saying that the baseline xenomorph is what we Humans (in-universe) have discovered and by using the scientific community's naming convention. The Xenomorphs we discovered on Lv-426 in 2179 is what we humans called a Xenomorph, as in we gave them a name since it was prior to the release of the prequels, was an unknown organism. Unless of coarse the Weyland-Yutani Corporation starts calling them Xenomorph XX121 prior to Gorman's statement.
What I mean by baseline was what we encountered in the alien trilogy.
@chli
I am going to say on one hand yes, in HINDSIGHT the Prequels maybe did not handle the Space Jockey and Xenomorphs to the best, but the intentions where there to EVOLVE the Story and Expand the Universe Beyond the Beast that is Cooked.
Alien was a Mystery, one which RS had latter informed us about and latter movies seemed to indicate too, which was the Xenomorph was a Weapon... that the Space Jockey was using and then the Company wished to use... The Mystery is was the Xenomorph Specifically Engineered as a Weapon by the Space Jockey Race? Or was it a Natural Organism they saw a great use of as a Weapon?
So they attempted to show us that with Alien Engineers, where its implied the Xenomorph was a Experimental Organisms likely Engineered from something they had discovered.. They being the Space Jockey who are revealed as a 15ft Humanoid Race who are actually our Creators, the GODS as per say.
Problems arose with Prometheus when they felt the Xenomorph had been done over and over, but the whole Engineers Plot was FRESH and no one has ever addressed this Species.. In Hindsight Prometheus did not give many fans enough Xenomorph Clues or any real Alien movie kind of a Flick, with no Xenomorphs or Action like Scenes... But RS had wanted to explore the Space Jockey Race and steer away from the Xenomorph.
The Next Hindsight Error was that the intended 15ft Engineers had to be downsized to 7-8ft beings, for some the Engineers looked Enigmatic still but they just lacked the Scale....
I agree that AC had made things worse, because now our Engineers are even more Fragile and Humanoid, and the reveal of David as the Creator does contradict what the Original Intentions was, which was that the Space Jockey Event was connected to the LV-223 Outbreak Thousands of years prior....
I understand the David Creator Philosophy, but i think giving us a Re-Creator Reveal would be much more fitting...
I think we have to be a bit Cautious when reflecting towards any Books, even Official Novels of the Movies, the Problem is that each Movie offers something New, but also in doing so opens up some holes in the overall scheme of things, or do-not address certain things but makes them more complicated.
While some Books may give some explanations to some things, other parts of the books do make contradictions to other, a lot of these are that a Book maybe give a clue or explanation for certain things, but then events of the Book conflict what latter movies would show.
A example would be the Earlier Xenomorph type Organisms encountered that predated the Xenomorph.... and the whole process of how the Book covers these... in relation to then raising more Questions about THAT surely the Company must known much more and WHY pursue LV-426 and Ripley for the Xenomorph.
Hopefully we get some clarity to why the company only pursues the Xenomorph on LV-426, that after Hadleys Hope Destruction leads to only the Escape Pod from the Sulaco in Alien 3 being the only means of the Xenomorph.
I think Canon is a personal choice, Ultimate Canon i would say is what we are shown in the Movies Alone, and so i think AVP has to be counted as a Alternative story using the Xenomorph but in NO-WAY connects to the Xenomorphs in ALIEN, but just a Alternative Universe take on them.
With Alien and AVP, we never get a clear picture of the Xenomorph Origins, they are still SHROUDED in Mystery, we dont get any idea they was discovered and then used by the Predators and Space Jockey or if they was created/engineered by the Predators or Space Jockey.
The Organisms when looking at them and IGNORING the Prequels, while not giving us any real Evidence to their Origins, we do get the impression this Organism is as GAVIN said Parasitic in its Nature, they require a HOST to Gestate their Embryo's and these Embryo's appear to take on the BEST Traits of their Hosts, while carrying over the Majority Traits of the Xenomorph Organism.
The Logical Reason for this, is that doing so ensures the Xenomorph becomes suitable for the Environment it is now in, and THUS a Embryo inside of a SHARK we could assume would not end up a Bi-Pedal Organism, but one with many Shark Traits so it can survive and move around in the Water Environment of the Shark.
We can only Safely Assume this however as we have not Officially been shown a Xenomorph born from a Shark....
As far as Evolution, its a Process of a Organism adapting the best traits for Survival in its Environment, Environmental Changes will cause Mutations/Evolution over periods of time so that Organisms will adapt to the New Environment, during this process some Organisms may not Evolve to suit the Environment and will suffer/die out as part of Natural Selection.
The PREQUELS open up a new Direction and ways to look at the Xenomorph, as Now we have confirmation that the Organism is a Result of the Black Goo on LV-223 and that connection is established even since the drafts for a Alien Prequel... But Alien Covenant goes further by now showing its connection is that the Black Goo Predates the Xenomorph.
I can try and explain the Black Goo, but this would derail the thread a bit and its a case of TWO views on the Goo i would propose.
@Gavin
Well what i meant by calling the Xenomorphs featured on Lv-426 as True/Baseline Xenomorph was that since the alien trilogy came first in the franchise, weather David created them or they were ancient creations of the Engineers (I am in support of both theories). I have never stated that there was a Pure Xenomorph bloodline, i was stating the xenomorphs from the alien trilogy are what Xenomorphs are supposed to look like.
It’s very sad, but I have to say that Scott has screwed everything up. First by making the space jockey not ancient (not fossilized) and thereby not connected to the outbreak on LV-223, and then making David the creator of the xenomorph. It was a mistake letting him into the franchise again. At one time he said that he didn’t like sequels (prequels). He should have stuck with that.
In “Sea of Sorrows”, Ripley encounters another ancient juggernaut with a deadly cargo (just like the derelict and the space jockey). The xenomorph is in this scenario ancient . . .
LOL, even Acidglow on Youtube fell for this...
@ D.K., unless officially stated otherwise I have always held that the canon of whatever franchise follows in the same media as the original piece. Alien is a movie, so the movies are canon. Books, comics, video games etc. are extended universe, fan fiction unless stated otherwise. If you want to believe in personal canon that's fine, but I think it's ignorant to do so. Alien has a fanbase but Blomkamp wanted to bypass it because to him it wasn't canon.
@ Xenotaris,
Just because I didn't write a TLDR post doesn't mean I don't get evolution; I was merely paraphrasing.
As for the Xenomorph, let's be clear we do not know whether it mimics its host's DNA or not, as you claim. But taking what we know of the black goo - which imprints or combines the DNA of the Xenomorph with whatever it contaminates; as evidenced in Prometheus and Covenant, my money would be that the Xenomorph uses the DNA of the host with the DNA present within the embryo implanted by the Facehugger creating a hybrid of the two within which the Xenomorph DNA is dominant. Alien 3's Dogburster is perfect evidence of this.
As for your belief that the Xenomorph could have evolved without Davids assistance, I agree and severely hope so. For me, the Xenomorph is an ancient organism that though artificially created was designed to be self-sufficient within the right environment, that of one with an ample supply of hosts. For me, what David did on Paradise has already happened, likely numerous times throughout the galaxy without intervention, as it was designed to do so. So for me, David didn't create the Alien, he merely recreated it by logically inevitable chance.
If they are non-canocical as you say, it seems pointless to use them as examples.
Its more to appeal to the broader Alien franchise as a whole.
Those movies, books and games do just that.
Well I was using the AVP xenomorphs and the Red Army xenomorphs as examples even though they are non-canonical. The point of this article wasn't what is canonical or not. Its more to appeal to the broader Alien franchise as a whole.
Negative. Canon is an individual decision. S.M. solved that question a long time ago. It can be movies, literature, games etc. You did so yourself by listing off shoots.
True 3D would be VR
How would that even work theatrically? LOL! There would be no need for 100 people to gather in a theater in seats all wearing VR goggles.
Both AVP movies are non-canon to the Alien Movies because they contradict Prometheus and Alien Covenant which are currently serving as Alien Prequels.
AVP can be canon. AVPR should be shot out of a canon.
Ridley Scott was right with Prometheus. Apparently Fox agreed after Alien: Covenant. Now that Disney is in control, who knows what could happen. Ridley Scott deserves to finish his story, his way like Fox now believes after Alien: Covenant. It's just d@mn frustrating that everything just keeps getting reworked. I wouldn't mind if it turned into a great movie, but after seeing Alien: Covenant, they just need to stop.
Your views on Evolution is flawed, evolution doesn't churn out things to be smarter, stronger, faster. Evolution just allows creatures the right devices to survive.
You also miss understand my points. I am well aware that AVP is non-canon but for the sake of classification i had to include them.
But still the xenomorph are given a scientific name and is still an organism. As an organism, even as an artificial one; it still has a genus and species, it procreates, and it even has self preservation instincts.
Humans are not simply humans, we evolved from more basal humans who in turn evolved from even basal humans and so on and so forth before we get to the last common ancestor of later Australopithecus and Homo, several generations prior to the more earlier memebers of Australopithecus, in which the genus homo has arisen from, we have the last common ancestor of humans (both Homo and Australopithecus) and chimps.
If I had time I would of included the entire Xenomorphid family tree. I know the xenomorphs are not a natural occurring species but the closest thing they have to biological relatives are the creations from the Accelerant/Black Goo. So disregarding AVP, which I am more than happy to do; David used the black goo on Planet 4, in his quest to destroy the engineers, the black goo ended up creating the neomorphs. David of coarse modifies several Neomorph specimens until he was able to make his protomorph ovamorph and in return birth his protomorph. So by classification, that would put the Neomorph and Protomorph as a type of Xenomorphid. Being artifical species the Xenomorphids (Neomorph, Protomorph, and Xenomorphs) needs davids help to evolve but left to their own devices, i believe the xenomorph could eventually naturally evolve without David's assistance.
Also Xenomorphs don't assimilate its host into their DNA pool, their own DNA mimics its host's DNA.
Thoughts_Dreams, i agree.
Minor poilers for A:OOTS,A:ROP, A:SOS and A:C Novel.
The books (OOTS/SOS) also suggest that, at least, an xeno like creature is around for way longer than David (Underground city, third race etc). Wich would tie in with the Covenant novel where David states that he found an egg. If im not mistaken one of the characters in A:OOTS even identifies the aliens on LV-178 as the same as the one wich attacked the Nostromo.
ROP also shows that there's a lot more to the derelict than just the jockey dying from a chestburster.
And finally, I hope and think Scott won't get another shot at an Alien movie. While some of his ideas are not bad IMO the Alienverse suffered more than it benefited from his last two movies.
Well,
First of all, forget AvP and its dire sequel, they were retconned out of continuity by Prometheus.
As for the question I view the Xenomorph as a non-pedigree creature. Humans are humans, canines are canines and birds are birds. Most animals, regardless of genus procreate and evolve their genome towards an evolutionary constant, with beneficial traits become dominant over recessive ones. Faster, stronger, more intelligent, etc.
The Xenomorph exists by adopting and subverting the DNA of its host and incorporating that into its genome. As such, there is no such thing as a pure Xenomorph, just the dominant genetic traits inherent in all Xenomorph hybrids, such as their exoskeletal appearance, their acidic blood and their need for hosts to propagate.
Therefore the Xenomorph is and always has been a parasitoid.
The main issue with 3D is that it is false advertising. A 3D movie isn't 3D it is layered, similar to the effect we see in a child's pop-up book.
Filmmakers argue that 3D can be used to heighten the movie experience and make the audience feel as though they are within a scene. I call bullshit.
Ever watch the first Independence Day in theatres or with a good surround system? The movies "exploding" titles create an immersive effect through sound placement alone. Or how about the opening scene to Revenge of the Sith, without 3D and with surround sound that scene is a showcase of why 3D isn't needed.
True 3D would be VR, but the technology to make a fully VR movie is beyond commercial viability right now. Maybe once Elon Musk has moved us all to Mars. Until then give me good cinematography and sound design any day!
Disney don't do R-Rated content, did you not watch The Punisher with Jon Bernthal. It is filled with violent action and torture scenes, and the series climax sees Castle rip his enemies face to shreds using a fairground mirror.
I would say the most r-rated Alien movie was 3, with the first two being relatively light on the gore, threat, and profanities. If made today I would see the first two and fourth movies getting a pg-13 rating. As others have said before me the rating isn't really indicative of the movie's effectiveness as a horror, but more a warning of the possibly offensive content the film may include.
As for the topic title, I couldn't care less if everything was tied up into a bow. I would prefer it if the mystery of the derelict remained as such. IMO Scott has subverted fans expectations too far with his prequels. His remakes of AvP and Frankenstein/Island of Dr. Moreau have added nothing substantial to the franchise beyond that of the Mary-Sue-Goo and retconning the Space Jockey into a group of musclebound Smurfs.
The Alien needs to return to the forefront of the franchise that bears its name through effective execution and direction and the gradual retconning of Scott's prequels.
As for Scott, let him make a movie about David for $200 million and let the audiences show him how "ahead of the curve" he truly is when the movie bombs.
Good job Kroft talks about Movies!
It takes more than that to keep me interested. I want a good story and well written characters.
