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Sympathy I really like your idea. Makes sense. Plus what if the Engineers / Space Jockeys who made humans millions and millions of years ago have sense changed their motives. I just find it misleading That they would create life ....let us prosper....give us a road map for a meet n greet only to destroy us. Unless their motives have changed.

Well Lex. if the experiment hasn't turned out quite how they thought, the lab-rats are put down!

i like the plant, grow, harvest theory :) accelerated by time dilation from engineers POV.

Remember the old tv commercials " don't fool with mother nature" - my understanding is the humans meet their maker, and act like humans --- stealing from their makers.

This has already been discussed, Prometheus was probably covered up

Some of the Prometheus crew may survive but locked up in institution (one leaked screenplay). I think in all likelihood this is Elizabeth Shaw character whom Noomi Rapace refers to as "survivor."

As represented in 'Alien', Weyland/Yutani or "the Company" is an organization of virtually limitless power. Ridley's own ideas on the concept of a future where corporations are more powerful than world governments, some even with private armies, bears this out. He's said as much in many interviews and the futures of both 'Alien' and 'Bladerunner' are predicated on this notion. Therefore, particularly considering the implications of the Prometheus mission, it would be beyond top secret and within the confines of Company knowledge. Nobody outside of those involved and Weyland's top brass would have any knowledge. That then makes it entirely logical that the crew of the Nostromo would have no idea what that signal was or why the company would want them to investigate it. In fact, since I first heard of 'Prometheus' I've been convinced that the Prometheus expedition and the unkown result of its findings are the only reasons that clause exists in the company contract in 'Alien', "any systemitized transmission of intelligent origin must be investigated."...and by default, special order 937 as well.

If everyone is dead by the end of Prometheus, even if there was 1 or 2 still alive, it would be easy for Weyland to cover anything up. Burke knew about the derelict in Aliens, and im assuming he knew pretty much everything that happened on the Nostromo but he didn't let on how dangerous the mission was. I have always believed that Weyland Yutani are far worse than the Xenomorphs. To quote Ripley from Aliens, "I dont know who's worse, you don't see them fucking eachother over for a damn percentage."

A different explanation could be the effect of relativity: during Prometheus's 5-year trip at a speed sufficiently close to the speed of light, a longer time (possibly much more than 30 years) would have elapsed on Earth.

My gut tells me the company won't ever reach the derelict again. It just doesn't make sense for a Prometheus sequel because we're pretty sure it's [the derelict] going to lead to Xeno's and they've been done to death already. Whether they know about the Xeno or not won't effect Alien too much. But they should know something about the jockeys at least, which may or may not make Alien just that little bit more interesting.

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I agree with craigamore regarding the "Alien Universe" on corporate power. However, corporations are still subject to regulations and to laws governing their behavior even if its just to keep the peace with rival corporation and ensure the safety of their benefactors and possibly the employees/consumers. That being said, there could be laws on the books regulating "First Contact" and METI much in same way that there were enforced laws in 'Blade Runner' that outlawed "Replicants" returning to earth. Even with its corporate power, Tyrell Corp still had to bow before the will of the people after some very nasty and public things happened. The reason for the First Contact and METI laws to exist is to control the perceptions potential technologically superior sophonts that our species might come in contact with from discovering our aggressively competitive and warlike nature. If that secret about humanity were to become quickly known, a superior civilization might decide that we represented a future threat to their well being and wipe us out which would be very bad for business. As far as that clause in the company contract, "any systematized transmission of intelligent origin must be investigated," I disagree on some level. Alan Dean Foster's adaptation of the shooting script for 'Alien' had a larger discussion than appeared in movie which pointed to a "duty to rescue law" that all space travelers were required to obey given the extraordinarily hostile nature of space. You'll also remember Parker's compliant, "this is not a rescue ship." So, the space rescue laws provided the company with some level of plausible deniability and indemnification from damages in the event that things went horribly awry during the execution of Special Order 937 which they did. Special Order 937 is another matter entirely. The goals for the order are clear, but why go through all the BS of using the Space Rescue Laws as a cover when they could have just sent another science team if it wasn't illegal to deliberately instigate a first contact situation? Prometheus might put that into a new light and the mystery about how the company discovered the Alien transmission which they then rerouted the Nostromo close enough to Zeta 2 Reticuli to pick up which no one else did as far as we know. Maybe, the extraordinary failure of the possibly government sanctioned Prometheus mission could be reason for the First Contact Laws. The secret might be not be the Prometheus mission itself, but what really happened on the mission and its implications. There has been some assumption that the "I am sorry I was wrong" passage refers to misjudging the motives of the sophonts, but what if that refers to partnership with a profit driven company in a mission that could have grave consequences for humanity?

and that is what happened to the derelict in the process of colonization and terraforming of LV-426? Weyland-Yutani sent to Area 51 or something like?

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such discussions should be IMO, would save on the arguments and help keep us all on topic. dont you think?

Snorkelbottom, this discussion is about [b]science[/b] - fiction after all. And the more science discovers, the greater the impact upon [b]religion[/b]. Prometheus has both science and religion as its core themes. How could we not touch on science and religion when discussing Prometheus?

We don't know that LV-426 is the original destination uncovered. It is highly probable another location is the initial destination and then the team continue on to LV-426. Before they can transmit their latest position back to Weyland HQ, they all get dead, including Shaw and Vickers (my personal belief is Shaw [i]is[/i] the space jockey in the derelict, having jumped in the hot seat and taken the ship off auto-pilot and crashed it before her own chestburster finally hatches). This would explain why the company never did go back to LV-426, but why they were so interested in the signal that they would reroute basically a tug carrying tonnes of money to investigate.

We don't know that LV-426 is the original destination uncovered. It is highly probable another location is the initial destination and then the team continue on to LV-426. Before they can transmit their latest position back to Weyland HQ, they all get dead, including Shaw and Vickers (my personal belief is Shaw [i]is[/i] the space jockey in the derelict, having jumped in the hot seat and taken the ship off auto-pilot and crashed it before her own chestburster finally hatches). This would explain why the company never did go back to LV-426, but why they were so interested in the signal that they would reroute basically a tug carrying tonnes of money to investigate.

I found something today that may help...this...from "AVP Spectrum" Prometheus Film Trivia: Prometheus’ “code name” used on set was “Paradise”, also the name of the first draft script! The planet which will be the main focus throughout the film is named “Zeta Reticuli”. Quoted by Ridley Scott in a recent interview. As for Weyland-Yutani, Ridley Scott recently mentioned this: “Weyland hasn’t joined Yutani yet, so they go and see Weyland. [The film] is about the discussion of terraforming — taking planets and planetoids and balls of earth and trying to terraform, seed them with the possibilities of future life.” Sigourney Weaver will NOT be making an appearance as this prequel is set before her character (Lt. Ripley) was even born, however, the main character will also be a woman (Noomi Rapace). The Alien design may change, but Ridley is focussing on the roots of the creature, and expanding more into the concept of what created the Alien and why it was created. H.R Giger may have a chance to redesign certain elements of the Alien, to make it more original and seperate it from what it has become with all the more recent films. The Space Jockey History is the main focus for this Alien Prequel.

@motheralien, i brought this up as well. For the films sake the company cover up is the best answer. I find it cheap way out. A company has many employees, not all leave on good terms. Spouses divorce, and information is only getting easier to obtain. But again for the films sake-----

sorry @red hood, I have to disagree with you there. I don't think you're giving enough credit to the greedy, malevolent, secretive qualities of some human endeavors. If "The Company" is as powerful as Scott has always presented as being in interviews and commentaries, it's well within they're ability to cover something like this up, especially considering the fact that they sent one tiny expedition into deep space. Would it really be that much of a stretch to say they can put any mission label they want on the Prometheus expedition, for the purposes of official and poltical secrecy, and send them out on whatever clandestine mission the Company wants, with its own private interests in mind?

@Craigamore, I can see that scenario, companies of the future have all the money therefore all the power. So this would lend itself that Weyland/Yutani corp. had a strong suspicion that the signal Nostromo picked up was Prometheus. @Starbeast - I was thinking that as well LV-426 is not Prometheus' destination but where the mission culminates, therefore the company is not entirely sure. so they send Nostromo to investigate, Ash is fully in the loop of the Prometheus mission. How about this scenario- Prometheus is lost- mission failure..Weyland receives warning from Prometheus in full 30yrs later due to signal traveling the distance in space. Ash is put on board Nostromo to guide its crew and discover what happened. The signal does not fully explain what was found or what happened but there is enough that is sent that Weylan/Yutani knows it was not a good ending..but they just dont knowhow bad. What if the signal that is sent to Nostromo is from Weyland/Yutani and the company scrambled it so the crew will be left with this mystery to invetigate..obviously if they heard the unscrambled warning they would not go...So Ripley keeps at it listening and studing this mysterious signal and almost cracks it..which in turn really gets Ash upset because he know the whole truth of this signal..and really wants to get this mision going before she figuers it out..she almost does and you can see in Alien that Ash is upset with her. What you all think

A very nice existential take on things. Reminds me of my college philosophy course's final exam: Complete this sentence: "The chair..."

Nice....exactly what I was going for.....I think.

Stanley Kubrick fan are we craigamore? lol.

Yeah...had to throw that reference in there.....couldn't help myself.

I loved A Clockwork Orange ! That whole film was Genius Too!!!

Peter Sellers fan too myself - a genius like SK.

I don't think the creative team behind ALIEN seeks to depict an alien life form to an audience. We all can agree that the reason why ALIEN is so interesting that it goes beyond its B-movie haunted-house 10-little-indians format. There are many ways to interpret the finer points of ALIEN, its subtexts. To me, ALIEN is all but one long nightmare of a woman who has serious distaste for the male species (and all the sexual appendages associated with the male body), and really just longs to be a ...lesbian.

I got USHBUCKED again.

Thanks for that...awesome

Talk about spit n' polish! I knew they were (supposed to be) doing all the post-production work right now, but this exemplifies perfection to the last detail. This can ONLY be a grand film when it comes out. Nothing less.

This place is beautiful: [img]http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/122661/isle_of_skye_fit.jpg[/img] Will Prometheus have Druids?

mmm alot of speculations will start on this ....and btw how they know they are filming the end of the movie ? .

It's all about everything and that means druid droids in space jockey sweat suits. It just has to be! The second answer is simple it's because it was the last thing to be filmed of course and you have to edit in the order you shoot stuff. - New "all about everything" filmskool rules. I want to carve that in my mashed potatoes!

first Iceland, now Scotland. such B EA U T I F U L locales to film. guess Ridley Scot decided to go film in the land of Scots (get it "Scots") bad joke i know... i wonder what additional filming was done? oh the suspense....!

nice one bh

Sweet. Nice work bughunter.

Thanks, there's still a bit I can do with it to add more customization options. But it gets the job done.