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@ Ender, where am I copying and pasting from. Checking theories not facts. GPS verifies time differential (extra time) not time dilation (slowing of time).

Come on BM that was a very simplified example.

Snork what the hell is the difference between time differential and "slowing of time"? If there is a time differential then then one clock is moving faster/slower then another...... jeeeeeez Now just admit you were wrong about time dilation and we'll forget this silly little conversation ever happened :-) And then we can get back to talking about Prometheus.

I will close the argument with fact The so called "time dilation" that has supposedly been "proved" is a result of varying gravitational effects on the mechanisms of a machine, in this case a clock. A clock is the means by which we measure time, a clock IS NOT time. Weaker gravitational forces equals less friction and the increased likelihood of higher velocities, therefore time differential. For example - If you put the same clock on the surface of mars it would run quicker than on earth because of the weaker gravitational forces acting upon the mechanism. Yet time itself does not run faster on the surface of Mars than it does on earth. Also, can space be dilated? No it cannot because it is a collection of dimensions (3 of which we perceive). Thus by that fact and that fact alone neither can time be dilated because it too is a dimension (the 4th one of which we perceive).

Snorks Im gonna close with some facts also (but not ones I made up myself) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_analysis_for_the_Global_Positioning_System#Special_and_general_relativity

LMFAOROFL... Thats your facts, Wikipedia, (I feel sick again guys). Yeah no wonder this debate has gone round in circles, because you have been using facts from from a site FAMED for its bullshit, instead of actually looking at the undisputable facts in my last post. Like I said... You have the test using atomic clocks that made scientists pat themselves on the back claiming they had proven time dilation. Put that same clock on the surface of Mars (which has lower gravity than Earth) and it would run faster than it would on Earth. Does this mean that time is faster on Mars than on Earth, no it does not, it proves that lesser gravity equals less friction and increased velocity acting upon the mechanisms of the clock allowing it to run faster. The scientists proved gravitational effects upon mechanisms of an atomic clock not time dilation. A child could understand that.

Eh.... then NASA maybe? http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/438289main_BH_Time_Dilation_Earth.pdf Maybe you could forward some references supporting your theory that time dilation doesn’t exist? Please dont make any more claims regarding physics without supporting evidence and I'll do the same.

Ender that page doesn't even exist. Maybe instead of posting various links to prove ur right you could actually write out some examples that would prove u are correct. You know what snorkel bottom has been doing throughout this entire thread.

Page 100% exists - its a PDF document from NASA. I have it open in my browser at the moment

Enderwiggin, you can't debate someone who won't recognize any sources but their own . I suggest you give up. Snorkel, I suggest you use that big IQ of yours to publish your thesis in a scientific journal and then use it to show the world you are right. Can we end the debate now? P.S The page exists I opened it also. You may need to upgrade your acrobat reader or just wait for the page to load jeez.

Yes debate ended - I hope no offense was taken. I respect your opinion Snork - I'll see you in another thread.

Not taking sides here - just wanted to ask Snorkel if he has a specific link detailing the specific affects of gravity on the mechanism of an atomic clock. Having trouble finding articles that shed doubt on the viability of using atomic clocks in space for gravity experiments (well, they're making newer and better ones for upcoming experiments, but still.) Just curious.

@ Ta2punk - I had noticed that, yet every time I put the effort in to explain the errors and mistakes of whatever was thrown at me, I would either get a link to another "theory" or accused of "copy and paste". @ Biomechanic - Hows things, I am very much in the process of doing exactly that, having recently registered with Nature and collecting all information available from many sources. @ enderwiggin - This all started when I pointed out the mistake in the original post were you stated "FTL, which means time travel", which is a theory, and impossible to prove. Then disputing Black Holes, then Time Dilation. I argued my case (as i argue all my cases) with my brain, not my ability to use google and wi, wik, wiki (I can't bring myself to say it). like I said before Logic and Observation always beat Theory. The last post I made clearly shows that what the scientists proved is different to what they think they've proved. If no offense was intended, then none is taken. @ Manndroid - Hows things, strangely enough the proof that time dilation doesn't exist is in the very link enderwiggin posted. Read the evidence the scientists say proves their theory, apply logic and the laws of physics (gravity, velocity, friction etc.) and you can see plain as day they have proved what I said in my last post, not time dilation.

@Snorkel - I understand where you are getting the idea - lack of gravitational pull affects the mechanisms of the clock - but in this case, the clock is an atomic clock - using the oscillation of sub-atomic particles, which is why they are deemed so accurate. Not immune to gravity, but more accurate than a more massive mechanism. However, I do not know the specific effects on the atomic clock due to gravity - the actual data. Mostly because I am pretty sure someone would have thought of this already, and looked for an equation to compensate. I'd like to read information that supports your side, but without knowing the mathematics involved with the intricacies of the clock itself, I can't speculate in favor - or at least, know the degree of error as it pertains to time dilation.

That's it Manndroid.... You stated "Mostly because I am pretty sure someone would have thought of this already, and looked for an equation to compensate." They have no equation to compensate for the gravitational effects on atomic clocks, too many variables. So they take the easier but more labourish method and instead adjust the clocks when the difference becomes a problem. Atomic clocks are accurate, but only when the gravity is at 1.0. Reduce/Increase the gravity and the accuracy is affected. The strength of the gravity is the key factor here.

Right. I wanted to see what that adjustment [i]is,[/i] not just know that there is one. S'why I asked if you had any readily available online sources. Still not taking any sides, just being academically responsible.

The adjustment varies depending upon the height in which a satellite orbits the Earth. in most cases it just a case of synchronising it with a clock on the ground at the press of a button - a simplified example/analogy would behow you would make sure your watch and alarm clock are the same time.

@ Manndroid if you are looking for an academic perspective, let me give you a quick description of time dilation and its effects on satellites. The closer you get to the speed of light the slower clocks tick. Now important note! - the particular clock doesn't matter a damn, the clock is there to describe "The passage of time" it can be an atomic clock, an alarm clock or a egg timer!! It has nothing to do with gravity affecting friction of the mechanics of a clock! Thats hilarious! The satellite that is orbiting the Earth is moving at great speed RELATIVE to stationary clocks on the surface. This causes time to pass slower then the stationary clocks and results in a delay of about 7 μs/day. If you have twins and you send one off on the Prometheus @ 99% C this person will age much slower then the person left on Earth. When the ship returns say 50 Earth years later with the astronaut twin, he will hardly have aged at all while the Earth twin will be an old man - no clocks need be mentioned. Snork this is not directed at you - we have already agreed to disagree. I am merely describing my understanding of time dilation as a courtesy to Manndroid.

Fair enough Enderwiggin but the statements you make are flawed... "It has nothing to do with gravity affecting friction of the mechanics of a clock!" - so reduced gravity, thus reduced weight, reduced drag, reduced resistance allowing higher velocity is incorrect, not the last time I checked. "The satellite that is orbiting the Earth is moving at great speed RELATIVE to stationary clocks on the surface. This causes time to pass slower" - so why in the test that supposedly proves time dilation were the clocks going faster, not slower. "If you have twins and you send one off on the Prometheus @ 99% C this person will age much slower then the person left on Earth." - According to what exactly, near-light speed travel across long distances supposedly slowing down time? show me proof, a working equation. I do love your loyalty to the establishment Enderwiggin but you are overlooking one important thing, the scientific community itself its turning on these old theories and ideas, because they break logic and observations.

i don't think the company knew much about it either. The Nostromo stopped because it was closest to check it out. It was stated that in the crews' contracts, they were required to investigate things like the beacon. When they first woke up, Ash seemed confused just like everyone else. Ash figuring out quickly things about the Xeno, and secretly reporting back to WY is plausible. As a programmed product, his loyalty was to WY. I wouldn't be surprised if part of his programming was to already monitor and make reports on the crew before the xeno came into the picture.

Ash had plenty of time to analyze the face-hugger. Given his company agenda, it's only logical to conclude that he had certainly learned much more than what he actually shared with the crew.

[quote]So…there is a straight guy for the queer site[/quote] I would venture a guess that a lot of the people here are straight. Not that it actually matters one way or the other.

Sounds like mindbender and neurion trying to crack on to Li. @ Sparky - what droogie??? @ Rick - Frustrated???

maybe they wanted the alien to whipe out the whole crew so they new the life cycle they didn ´t thought someone would survive... and if they sent the marines it wouldn´t be so secret there would be some governament involvement. This way they kept the whole thing in their own company without sharing.

It's clear from the scene where Ripley revives Ash that both he & the company knew about the alien or at least knew something was there that was worth investigating. The question is what did they know, how & when? Hopefully we'll get some idea or explanation of this in Prometheus. I'm thinking along the lines that nobody in Prometheus gets out alive but someone manages to send a message back home .......... so unfolds the events in Alien (to put it simply).

Haha Snorkel, if only that were the case. Just sharing me tattoo as an introduction. Nothing more. These days....I don't care enough to troll women. In real life or here. :-P

lol and Frantz just posted about that! What I mean is that it's already quite known on the forums here :)

@Prometheus - Check back at all the other discussions, there are heaps of chat about the trailer. You'll find them there mate.

I was thinking Mass Effect.

Chrissie Hynde baby…I remember that lady…and that band...Old timer that I am. Great pop music! Goodtimes!! N

Lets RoCKit ! old timer! No really, I think it's time for another party at your place. Let's party with Noomi! Shit I haven't been so drunk since then. Sorry about my horse crapping on your yard. Gosh thems some nice mushrooms ya got growin there! Oh, sweet nectar of the Queen Noomi, slurpy slurrrp! Scorf de Snorf { Dual electric air guitars all the way to hell!} SO DAM ME-A MORE GORE

Samus from Metroid, guys! None of you had Nintendo? You play the entire game thinking it's a guy (at least my friends and I did) because she's all suited up with the helmet. When you beat the game, the helmet and suit came off revealing "he" was a she... in a bikini. :)

@Ruh I agree Hoss...time for another Biomechanical-Kegger+Jaeger. Hey, your Whores...I mean horse was cool. Don't even sweat it...I'm okay with rainbow horse shit. Peace out!

'CAUSE I GONNA MAKE YOU SEE THERE'S NOBODY ELSE HERE NO ONE LIKE ME I'M SPECIAL SO SPECIAL I GOTTA HAVE SOME OF YOUR ATTENTION GIVE IT TO ME Remember that old song....and yes that looks just like Chrissy....;)

Looks like its in the Jockey room from the archway behind her.

Assuming the entire ship has that look on the inside, that could be any room.

could be, but the detail on the ground looks like one of the "pods" on the platform in the Jockey room.

and she have no helmet .... ( to take the photo ? who knows ... )

She looks awesome here (heheh, my avatar). I do believe this photo could be for promotional purposes though.

Member [quote]Posts: 218 Juxtapose › Posted 01/6/2012 'CAUSE I GONNA MAKE YOU SEE THERE'S NOBODY ELSE HERE NO ONE LIKE ME I'M SPECIAL SO SPECIAL I GOTTA HAVE SOME OF YOUR ATTENTION GIVE IT TO ME Remember that old song....and yes that looks just like Chrissy....;)[/quote] Damn "Juxt", That's some funny "shiznit" right there!