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Yes, he should replace Spacey with Sigourney Weaver and make peace with the Alien 5 supporters too.

With all these beforehand complaints about Ridley Scott's intentions for the next film along with Fox being bought by Disney we will get another crap action movie xenomorph vs engineers vs colonial marines. 

I don't want Ridley Scott to leave the franchise before he finishes what he started. With Covenant he proved yet again that the beast is cooked. It had its glory in Alien and Alien 3. If you want to see it watch again those movies and let Ridley Scott do a good film. With a new story.

Queensland man bitten by deadly snake grabs a beer 

there you go it was an Eastern Brown, one of the most deadly snakes on the planet.

There was a story in Australia some time ago about an old farmer who got himself bitten by a snake (A Brown from memory - deadly anyhow) early one morning. He calmly called the ambulance who were an hour or two away, then grabbed a six pack of beer, found a nice tree with a good view and kicked back to let fate take its course. The paramedics arrived and saved him. They asked why he didn't wake his family and get them to haul his ass to the nearest Hospital. He told them he didnt want to be a bother. Funny enough the alcohol and his relaxed immobilised state saved his life by limiting the venom movement. 

Not gunna help in this scenerio, you're still a deadman.... but for those whom suicide is not an option or preference for whatever reason...this is the way to go. Hammered drunk with a nice view lol 

Wow, this might be a bit excessive but hardly surprising. Even I was wondering if the Box Office performance would be affected by the scandal, but I haven't heard of such a move before. Maybe Ridley should stick to strong female characters which he did well for so long.

BigDave

Interesting Prometheus 2 draft. Would this mean no evolution at all on Earth, just creation (by the “gods”) or a combination of evolution and creation (intervention)? In the beginning of Prometheus we see the sacrificial engineer seeding the world (Earth?) with its DNA although it seems to have been broken down by the pathogen giving rise to new DNA? Then evolution, starting in the water, begins?

The pathogen’s connection to some xeno-like creature is perhaps a bit like the chicken and the egg? Which came first? It took The Prometheus somewhere around 2 years to get to LV-223 but I suppose a juggernaut can fold spacetime or something and get to distant galaxies in the twinkling of an eye?

Yes, I suppose LV-223 could be an outpost for evolutionary purposes. It could of course also be for military purposes - creating weapons? Or, it changed over a long time from the former to the latter? It could have changed from a lush planet to a barren wasteland? Or, the engineers chose a barren planet just to store their dangerous pathogen? Anyway, it would be interesting to explore the planet, see what’s in the other temples and other areas of the planet?

As for the Alien Covenant: Origins novel, we know that The Covenant set out after the disappearance of The Prometheus and Peter Weyland is considered dead, so I suppose The Covenant must be pretty fast to get to Planet 4 about 10 years after David and Shaw left LV-223 (although we don’t know for sure where Planet 4 is)?

That's easy.   I'd shoot myself in the head.

Now, if there are no guns....

I'd eject myself out into space.  I'd have to make sure that everybody knows the situation and that they need to be on alert (that's if they don't know that someone, somehow got "infected").

Actually, it would be best if I could shoot myself while someone ejects me out into space so that the rest of the crew (if there is a crew) can survive.  Hopefully I would have the only alien.

If there is no crew, then shooting myself or eject myself into space would have to do.

I assume dying in the vacuum of space would be instant?  I guess I would know if I was on a space mission.

Let's say I didn't know how painful being exposed to the environment of space is and I chickened out.  The main reason I would chicken out is because I don't want to suffocate (I fear suffocating...especially drowning).  Still, I think the cold of space would kill me instantly.

I would definitely kill myself.  I don't want to experience something eating its way out of me...

Some insects breed like the Xenomorph on Earth.  I'm glad I'm not the prey.

BigDave

The question is why didn't more of the casual audience go to the cinema to see ALIEN:COVENANT not why didn't the fanbase go to the movie, they in the main did an as always fan bases are a mix of thousands of slightly different views BUT they went to the movie.

The reason is that the general proposition of the story was exactly the same as the first film. People go down to planet in response to message and all get killed. The only difference is they found the remnant of the Prometheus story line which itself has been changed from "the search for our creators" to "Bladerunner hijacks ALIEN". The former is stale and the latter has confused and disappointed with a few notable exceptions of deep fans who see great significance in the "our creations bite us on the bum" supposedly Shelley riff. The problem with the latter for most people is despite Michaels superb technique he has been reduced to Hannibal Lector.

The kind of detail you offer is deep deep fan fixes which do not change the overall proposition. However your more audacious thoughts about an A 5 is actually the story of Bladerunner 2049 which and its no coincidence share the same writer for B 2049 and P 2.

There is only so much story here. Mankind's creation of A I and what is existence clearly works much better in the Bladerunner universe. Its riveting stuff, compelling enigmatic and at an existential level deeply disturbing.

The LV426 question has been thoroughly botched. There was one interesting biggie left to be answered in the Alien  Universe. Who was the guy in the chair and what was its relationship with its cargo.   

They had the answer in their grasp and have gone from being far to vague (its an Engineer brother a few hundred years adrift from the incident of LV223) to far to literal (Its either David or to do with David).

You cannot appeal to a mass audience by just re running the Alien trope, thats what Ridley thought, thats what fans challenged and they were wrong and Ridley was right and blaming slight issues with execution, character  is to miss the point the overall proposition of crew go down to planet and fight with parasite which gets blown to bits at the end is cremated not cooked. In case you wonder how wrong fans are they or 50% want Ripley verses Queen again with lover and surrogate daughter rerun to their fan fic menu that says it all.    

Yes you could have made it more suspense horror movie and less horror action movie but the ALIEN lifecycle as riveting out there surprise is a busted flush.  

Chris Pills and drugs in general would seem the best way to go- going to sleep forever basically. A complication might be that it takes time to ingest, go through the blood stream to the brain and take effect. Meanwhile, as was pointed out, internal hemorrhage and pressure on the lungs could slow that process. Even if it was a back burster- yes, it would cause paralysis and loss of sensation to the body, but it takes somewhere around 8 minutes before brain death happens- that could seem like a long time lying their knowing you are done for. It seems one would die in fear and slowly fade out as the brain dies.  

Thanks ;)

I was working on a Re-write of Prometheus, a Prometheus 2 and i had ideas for 3 more Alien movies... One which was set just after Alien, where a Mining company had set up on a Moon and a incoming Ship with new Equipment to Drill into a Rock that the current equipment could not get through, this revealed a Cave, with Spores and a Engineer Ship... it was to show case Aliens that was not far off the Neomorphs as far as how i thought they would look years ago... a cross between Neomorph and the Fresco Creature.... the idea being to tease that this place was where the Engineers discovered the Organism that leads to the Fresco, as they took infected crew back to LV-223 at a latter time..

The other was a Parallel movie to Alien R, where the Failed Ripley 7 Queen was taken with some Ripley 8 DNA to  USM Outpost near Saturn, where they cloned the Failed Queen 7 to produce something that was a Xeno/Human Hybrid, that had a different method of Procreation.  (similar to the Pred-Alien) this Outpost was a Military one where they was also working on Super Human Soldiers, and so we see a Xeno-type Organism Outbreak vs Super Humans  but Ultimately its a Super-Human Created from Ripley 8 DNA that saves the Day.

The other Alien one was regarding finding a Engineer Ship and Black Goo that escaped from LV-223, this one was more based with Engineers.

I have many ideas, that i evolve into a Long Plot/Synopsis and then i plan drafts for some Scenes, but never get to finish them... i had some sticking points with my Prometheus 2 so i abandoned it.

And then when working on others, i had started to suffer from some problems that effected my motivation etc.

I can see Ridley Scotts perspective...

At the end of the day if the Engineers are our Creators, what we have is Humanity proving to be a failed Creation one that  has proved Rebellious and one that the Engineers had maybe created/obtained experimented to create the Bio-Weapon to Redact their Wayward Creation.

The Hubris for these beings being that this Failed and their Wayward Creation has Sub-created Synthetics who in turn become Rebellious against their own creators and use the Engineers Bio-Weapon against the Engineers and then Re-Engineers/Experiments with it to Create a New Tool of Destruction to use on Mankind.

Ridley Scott sees this Theme of Creation/Sub-Creation and Rebellion as the underlying theme he wished to explore with Prometheus 2 before we got that changed to Alien Covenant.  The Xenomorph is just a Creation that was created from our Creators Bio-Weapon intended for us.

AI has always played a huge role behind the scenes, if we look at the Background information on David during Prometheus, we see that these Synthetics had Teething Problems, their was Recalls, Rebellious Actions  and ULTIMATELY we see the End Game of this with the Sentient David, who sees himself as Superior to Mankind and does not see why he should Serve Mankind... we have the whole Satan/Lucifer Story Arc.

We see in Alien that ASH admired the Xenomorph, this would make more sense, if they are exploring David as the creator and a more AI concentration, we see in ALIENS that Bishop is a New Model that does not have the Flaws and Potential Dangerous Emotions/Actions that Previous Models had... and so there is a whole Story there regarding the Potentially Buggy and Sentient Earlier Synthetics.

But it does not end there.....  Alien Resurrection shows us as a Back Ground Plot (Call) that in the future Synthetics even Sub-create their own Synthetics the Autons and we have a Rebellion by these Autons and a Recall, and 200 years after the events of Aliens we see that Earth has witnesses Devastation/War and that in this AGE Synthetics are Shunned and Feared/Outlawed.

Mankind Finally in Hindsight realized the Dangers of Sub-creating a AI that could become Sentient, much like Stephen Hawkings has warned that would be Mankinds undoing.

The Engineers Foresaw these kinds of flaws and problems with their creations (Humans) and they attempted to Put a Stop to us before we could ever Evolve to be such a Threat... this however back-fired.. and the Black Goo was just the Tool they intended to use on us and the Xenomorph a Extension of those Bio-Weapon that was Evolved by our own Creation... the Synthetic David

So indeed the Xenomorph is but just as say Gunpowder is to Mankind...

As far as return to LV-223 in Alien Awakening?

Who knows.. i think its likely we will have to before we get to ALIEN, simply because the end of Alien Covenant and Ridleys comments and Advent Prologue all seem to indicate that David will take the Covenant to its original destination, which would require a additional 7.5 years.   I have not read the Prequel Novel and so i have no Time-Frame for when the Covenant Ship left Earth to when it intercepted that Signal that drove them to Planet 4.

But we do know that they was 7.5 years away from Origae-6, and the Yutani Merger was about 2099 and so the Covenant would have been traveling for no more than 5-6 years, but then we are informed Re-Charges happen every 1.5 years and the Covenant had to perform one, and so the Ship had departed Earth for at least 1.5 years.

Considering how long the Prometheus had taken to LV-223 and then the Nostromo, its Safe to Assume the Covenant is much faster than the Prometheus, and so its safe to Assume Origae-6 is further than LV-223 from Earth, how much further depends on what year the Covenant departed Earth.

so my point being that in the Time-line David would arrive on Origae-6 in the year 2112 or abouts, this leaves about 10 years before the Nostromo arrives at LV-426 where as of now, Davids Creations must end up on a Engineer ship at some point in those 10 years.

So unless Origae-6 is a Engineer World (what a Coinsidence) or David obtains a Engineer Ship from Planet 4, but then who Pilots the Covenant to Origae-6, it in all likeness appears that a Engineer Ship will arrive at Planet 4 long after David and the Covenant have gone, and then this ship latter arrives at Origae-6 and Ends up with Davids Creations and then heads back to LV-223 but only getting as far as Lv-426

Unless it goes to LV-223 after Origae-6 or David goes to LV-223 after Origae-6

I think if they are going the route that Davids Xeno Eggs end up on the Derelict, then indeed at some point a Ship has to either Go to LV-223 or attempts to get to LV-223 before the events of ALIEN

Indeed Chli

The Pathogenic Goo and Xeno-DNA are connected, as far as what order and how is another Question all together, thats open up for debate.. Prometheus sent me down a certain path.... which latter when i read Alien Engineers seemed to confirm the path i was taken... But Alien Covenant had changed things a little.

I tried to look at the Outpost from the Engineers Point of view, clearly their Navigation Systems appeared to show other Galaxies and so for their Race/Ship the distance between Earth and LV-223 is actually pretty close.

If you was a Race of Engineers, who would Seed a World and come back over and over upgrading the Life on this World to attain a certain kind of Life, then surely having a Laboratory/Outpost where you could conduct Evolutionary experiments where you can contain these experiments and only bring back to Earth those you deem have worked and ones that would not effect the other Life created on said World... to me this kind of makes sense.

We barely scratched the surface of the Temples on LV-223 those places had many more areas than the Prometheus Crew explored.  So it would be interesting to see what was going on behind those closed doors.

My Prometheus 2 daft which i abandoned did open up with a similar Scene from Prometheus opening where we get a Camera view of flying across a Primordial Terrain, and we see a Shadow... but its not the Tear Drop ship, we actually then see its a Juggernaught, but the Camera view before was not a Engineer Ship arriving on a World and flying across the Landscape it was leaving...

We get to then see inside the Ship, and see some Engineers in a Room, then they are looking over a Cryo-Pod, we cut to the Cryo-Pod and see a Primate we then Zoom into the Primates Brown Eyes.... then it cuts/zooms out to show Dr Shaws Brown Eyes, and zooms out and now we dont see a Engineer peering at a Primate, we see David peering at Dr Shaw....  then my draft cut to David wondering what Dr Shaw was dreaming... and then we see Dr shaws dream,  but David does not see this... we instead go to a Flash Back of Weyland and David when David was first activated, my draft was similar but different and more deeper than the Alien Covenant David and Weyland..

Anyway... what my opening Scene was showing was Engineers returned to take Primates and take them to LV-223 to Evolve them and then place those Evolution's back on Earth and they continued to do this over and over until we got to Humans.

BigDave you prove once again why you should be on some type of official think-tank for this franchise!!

An Alien 5 post-Resurrection incorporating the backstory of the Autons (AI's building AI's) with David's arc is a sublime idea!! 

I'm good with Blomkamp doing whatever he wants. Just more A L I E N movies please!

ALIEN V: Vengeance. I like the idea BigDave....Almost has a Beneath the Planet of the Apes vibe...Mass destruction and Xeno's!

The Side Bar is what i relied on the most, i will have to get used to how to navigate and find Recent Topics and Recent replies etc

But i am thankful for all the effort that you Chris and the Team put into the Website and what ever layout seems to be the best for the Sites needs.

@drucea

Indeed this was the Original idea, going back to Spaights ideas, which was the Engineers had evolved themselves to a point they lost the ability to procreate and had to come up with other means to do so.

Ridley Scott however suggested after Prometheus came out that the Engineers COULD create life in other ways (this could mean Procreate, or even Clone) but the Sacrificial Route was just the way they went about it, its how their culture had CHOSEN to do it.

And so looking at the Prometheus Engineers at that time, we had these beings that have either Evolved themselves past Procreation, or that these beings were kind of Evolved/Cloned this way so they can not Procreate.

Alien Covenant kind of muddies the water a bit as we see these beings are more Human looking, RS also confirming a few things.

*These are the ORIGINAL Engineers (does this mean LV-223 ones are not?)

*These beings (Engineers on Planet 4) also live for about 150 years.

While also saying the Hall of Heads are the Wise Men, Apostles, Hierarchy and Superior Beings... Superior to WHOM? Those Engineers on Planet 4 or Mankind?

With Disney buying Fox, Alien 5 suits the family friendly popcorn action flick Disney would produce. 

I think that Ridley Scott has an interesting idea behind the exploration of AI, and it appears he wants to do something fresh.  But while Prometheus had set up to explore the Space Jockey more than the Xenomorph, and introduce us to the whole Story Arc regarding Ancient Alien and Creation kind of Mythos, of which some very good Philosophical Themes were being explored and a sequel could have touched on these more.   The Change of Direction to concentrate on and bring back the Xenomorph into the Franchise by adopting  the ALIEN: Prefix and having the Prequel Destination now set out to explore the Xenomorph Creation and Evolution eventually leading to HOW and  WHY and WHEN those Eggs end up on a Engineer Ship.....  They now would have to carry on through with this Plan, than to distance itself from the Xenomorph.

Ridley Scott and FOX have written themselves into this corner... yet it appears RS wishes to explore the AI and Philosophical and maybe Creation themes...

WHAT HE DOES NOT REALIZE IS....

There is a route to indeed explore these themes, as Prometheus/Alien Covenant was not the first movie to touch up these things.....   While Blomkamps ALIEN 5 was to perhaps eradiate the Sequels to ALIENS and thus ALIEN 5 would be a Alternative ALIEN 3, would it really had offered something NEW?  There was a few interesting ideas and concepts, but it would be hard to bring back a Ripley at the Age she is unless they movie was set some 25 years after ALIENS

However RIGHT in FRONT of Ridley Scotts Eyes is another ALIEN 5 that would be a Literal ALIEN 5 and would allow RS/FOX to explore those Creation, Religious, Philosophical themes and especially regarding AI and Rebellion.   BECAUSE we had ALIEN RESURECTION which gave us a back ground Plot regarding the Potential of what happens when Creation, Sub-Creates...  Ridley Scott is very interested in DAVID and especially the Theme of what happens when our own Creation, decides to Create for themselves... this Theme is the whole Big Reason for Ridley Scotts interest and pursuit in making David the Creator of the Xenomorph.....

However..... Alien Resurrection clearly shows us that indeed Mankinds Creations (Synthetics/Machines) indeed did Sub-Create  and this lead to the AUTONS, were we briefly get some back ground around a Great Uprising and Recall, and a Back Ground that informs us about how Synthetics are in the Future Shunned and potentially Mankind realizes the errors of our ways in our Sub-Creation...  Just as the Engineers had done so with Mankind and attempted to put an end to this 2000 years ago... Thus the starting point for the Xeno-Strain of Black Goo that ultimately leads to the Xenomorph.

So already we have the kind of AI Sub-creation Arc already within the Franchise, and the END of Alien Resurrection shows us a Earth that has gone through some kind of destruction and WAR, and indeed its Stark Warnings by those like Professor Steven Hawkings who warn that Mankinds Pursuit of Creating Advanced AI would One Day be our Undoing...  We see this Theme, in movies like The Terminator, The Matrix and the devastation on Earth in Alien Resurection shows us that indeed potentially the same has happened in the Alien Timeline..

So i feel that a TRUE sequel to the Franchise, a Literal ALIEN V can actually tackle the Themes RS is so desperate to touch upon with David and AI.  It appears the warnings RS had said about what happens when David Sub-creates and what this means for Mankind, are indeed evident by the Auton Rebellion, the Fact that Autons are Sub-Creations of Synthetics and the Chaos that had happened on Earth at this point in the Timeline. 

There is a whole Story to be told regarding AI and its Evolution and Effects within the latter parts of the Alien Timeline,  and the Aftermath of such a Event...   Alien Resurrection regarding the Auton Call and her Background/Story is very similar to that of the Replicants in the Blade Runner Franchise.

THEREFORE.... i feel that there is a potential for a ALIEN V that would instead follow on from the end of Alien Resurrection,  Earth is clearly in a state of Destruction,  AI/Synthetics have had a large impact on Earth and Mankind,  Alien Resurrection shows us a True Distrust of Synthetics and yet we have Call who is not a Wicked Threat like David 8 is,  we see that the Autons and indeed likely other Synthetics indeed became Sentient, were able to think for themselves and see themselves as not merely Machines Created to Serve.   So the whole History behind the Autons and aftermath of Rebellion and the state that Earth is in regarding AI and Humans is something that could be explored..

But would a sequel to ALIEN RESURECTION not have to be about the ALIEN and RIPLEY?  Well YES, but not entirely, you see those comments about AI and the XENO that Ridley Scott had made regarding Alien Covenants sequel,  would certainly more so FIT and apply to a literal Alien 5,  But how do they bring back Ripley?  A Long time has passed since Alien Resurection?

While a Alien 5 Blomkamp Style, would in effect Replace Alien 3 and Alien R, by having Ripley, Hicks and Newt Survive,  the Age of those Actors etc, means a Aliens Alternative Sequel would have to be set 25+ years later,  due to the AGE of the Surviving Aliens Cast... unless they try to De-age Ripley which can be done with CGI and Ridley Scott explained this could be done, but if its not done right then it can look really poor and it is also expensive...

I propose and i have done this before, that a True Alien 5 set after Alien Resurrection could give us something FRESH and NEW and explore those THEMES that Ridley Scott is so desperate to explore.

But Ripley is  a Clone, she has Xenomorph DNA and can Regenerate and Heal Herself, so surely a Ripley 8 would never AGE so we would definitely have to use CGI to De-Age her?   Not really..  you see what kind of a Plot would it be to have a Immortal so to speak Ripley 8 going around fighting Xenomorphs, this is very limited and so there has to be a interesting way to explore Ripley 8 or is there?

YES.... Ripley 8 is a Hybrid she has Human DNA and Xenomorph DNA,  just as Seth Brundle from the  1986 Movie the FLY, was turned into a Hybrid, part Fly, part Human and yet he gained increased Senses and Strength and Abilities due to the FLY DNA, just as Ripley 8 had from the Xenomorph DNA

Seth however ultimately began to change into a FLY, the Flies DNA started to Re-write his Human DNA, his Skin started to Age, and Human Flesh and Parts Fall off, as he was slowly turning into a FLY Hybrid.  Where his FORM would be 50/50 Fly/Human and not just the appearance of a Human with abilities gained from the Flies DNA.

THIS is the Route they could explore Ripley 8,  it would explain away her AGE, as we gradually see her Human Skin, Determinate as she Evolves into a Hybrid, she could then be given CGI/Make up to make her appear as a Hybrid, maybe less than we see as far as say the HR Giger Inspired  SIL from the 1995 Movie Species.

This gives Ripley 8 a interesting ARC, and Make up can make her a Hybrid that still retains a lot of Human Appearance, but covers up a near 70 year old Human Appearance.

What about Call?  Well Winona Ryder is still very young looking, but she has lost her way due to some personal demons,  but the good thing is that there are some Actresses who look a lot like her, and even a Natalie Portman could play the role of Call.

What about a Plot?  I am working on a Synopsis for a ALIEN V: Vengeance it will cover those themes about AI and as we see Earth in the year 2386 has suffered a lot of destruction, the back ground for Alien Resurrection, shows us that AI has been shunned and Outlawed,  Earth has suffered what appears to be a Great War.    The Company  United Systems Military. Had tried to obtain the Xenomorph via Ripleys DNA and paid the consequences.

The USM Auriga Crashing on Earth, we can assume destroying the Xenomorph....  However Ripley 8 still has Xenomorph DNA, and what i propose is a World where there are different Factions a World In Turmoil regarding those who are Religious and hold out on Faith, compared to those who Ultimately have accepted the Revelation that our Creators are the Engineers.  We are no more to them as Synthetics are to us.

We have Remnants of Autons like Call and we have Remnants of Synthetics with a Agenda to Rule Supreme.  We have the USM Company who wish to obtain the Xenomorph.   And we could explore how a Cult of Synthetics or Synthetic Worshipers,  have the Agenda of once again Sub-Creating...    The Autons being a Failure, a attempt at Synthetics to Sub-create.   Yet this Cult, worships and is comprised of Some Synthetics.... who Worship the Original Synthetic Sub-Creator.... DAVID 

They could even have a Mural made from a Deactivated David Model , attached to a Cross in Cruciform pose like Christ, and Worshiped, maybe this David is Alive but attached to some Bio-Mechanical Cross?  Maybe its DAVID 8?

The  Synthetics could be explored as becoming Sentient, and then wanting to destroy Mankind and replace us, and then Sub-create their own Servants the Autons.... this would fit with the back ground that was laid down in Alien Resurrection.   But this David 8 worshiping Cult, aspire to David 8 as the Original Synthetic, the Original Synthetic who realized he was not Create to Serve Mankind, but to Dominion over Mankind.   David also being the First Synthetic to Sub-create its own Favoured Creation.... THE XENOMORPH

So we could have this Cult go after Ripley 8 who is now becoming a True Hybrid, and this Cult wishes to use her DNA, to Create a New Army a New Race a New Sub creation,  that would retain the DNA of their Worshiped David 8’s Ultimate Creation the Xenomorph.

This allows us to Create something NEW,  Hybrids that are part Xeno/Human something Fresh.

I would even consider having Ripley 8 captured and becomes Pregnant, giving Birth to TWINS.. one being a Human BOY which could be Called ADAM and the other Child Shunned or maybe not, the other child a GIRL  a Hybrid called EVE.

This opens up a sequel to explore ADAM as a new hope for Mankind a Star-Child.... while EVE who would be like the Baby-Head Concepts for Prometheus would be in effect a Star-Beast, so a Sequel could be called Star-Beast and explore the Procreation of this Hybrid, which could introduce the Egg Morph to create Organisms that would be say 75% Xenomorph and 25% Human.

So it shows there is way to introduce something NEW to the Franchise, explore AI and give Ripley a Final Outing and Send Off.

I think that Ridley Scott has an interesting idea behind the exploration of AI, and it appears he wants to do something fresh.  But while Prometheus had set up to explore the Space Jockey more than the Xenomorph, and introduce us to the whole Story Arc regarding Ancient Alien and Creation kind of Mythos, of which some very good Philosophical Themes were being explored and a sequel could have touched on these more.   The Change of Direction to concentrate on and bring back the Xenomorph into the Franchise by adopting  the ALIEN: Prefix and having the Prequel Destination now set out to explore the Xenomorph Creation and Evolution eventually leading to HOW and  WHY and WHEN those Eggs end up on a Engineer Ship.....  They now would have to carry on through with this Plan, than to distance itself from the Xenomorph.

Ridley Scott and FOX have written themselves into this corner... yet it appears RS wishes to explore the AI and Philosophical and maybe Creation themes...

WHAT HE DOES NOT REALIZE IS....

There is a route to indeed explore these themes, as Prometheus/Alien Covenant was not the first movie to touch up these things.....   While Blomkamps ALIEN 5 was to perhaps eradiate the Sequels to ALIENS and thus ALIEN 5 would be a Alternative ALIEN 3, would it really had offered something NEW?  There was a few interesting ideas and concepts, but it would be hard to bring back a Ripley at the Age she is unless they movie was set some 25 years after ALIENS

However RIGHT in FRONT of Ridley Scotts Eyes is another ALIEN 5 that would be a Literal ALIEN 5 and would allow RS/FOX to explore those Creation, Religious, Philosophical themes and especially regarding AI and Rebellion.   BECAUSE we had ALIEN RESURECTION which gave us a back ground Plot regarding the Potential of what happens when Creation, Sub-Creates...  Ridley Scott is very interested in DAVID and especially the Theme of what happens when our own Creation, decides to Create for themselves... this Theme is the whole Big Reason for Ridley Scotts interest and pursuit in making David the Creator of the Xenomorph.....

However..... Alien Resurrection clearly shows us that indeed Mankinds Creations (Synthetics/Machines) indeed did Sub-Create  and this lead to the AUTONS, were we briefly get some back ground around a Great Uprising and Recall, and a Back Ground that informs us about how Synthetics are in the Future Shunned and potentially Mankind realizes the errors of our ways in our Sub-Creation...  Just as the Engineers had done so with Mankind and attempted to put an end to this 2000 years ago... Thus the starting point for the Xeno-Strain of Black Goo that ultimately leads to the Xenomorph.

So already we have the kind of AI Sub-creation Arc already within the Franchise, and the END of Alien Resurrection shows us a Earth that has gone through some kind of destruction and WAR, and indeed its Stark Warnings by those like Professor Steven Hawkings who warn that Mankinds Pursuit of Creating Advanced AI would One Day be our Undoing...  We see this Theme, in movies like The Terminator, The Matrix and the devastation on Earth in Alien Resurection shows us that indeed potentially the same has happened in the Alien Timeline..

So i feel that a TRUE sequel to the Franchise, a Literal ALIEN V can actually tackle the Themes RS is so desperate to touch upon with David and AI.  It appears the warnings RS had said about what happens when David Sub-creates and what this means for Mankind, are indeed evident by the Auton Rebellion, the Fact that Autons are Sub-Creations of Synthetics and the Chaos that had happened on Earth at this point in the Timeline. 

There is a whole Story to be told regarding AI and its Evolution and Effects within the latter parts of the Alien Timeline,  and the Aftermath of such a Event...   Alien Resurrection regarding the Auton Call and her Background/Story is very similar to that of the Replicants in the Blade Runner Franchise.

THEREFORE.... i feel that there is a potential for a ALIEN V that would instead follow on from the end of Alien Resurrection,  Earth is clearly in a state of Destruction,  AI/Synthetics have had a large impact on Earth and Mankind,  Alien Resurrection shows us a True Distrust of Synthetics and yet we have Call who is not a Wicked Threat like David 8 is,  we see that the Autons and indeed likely other Synthetics indeed became Sentient, were able to think for themselves and see themselves as not merely Machines Created to Serve.   So the whole History behind the Autons and aftermath of Rebellion and the state that Earth is in regarding AI and Humans is something that could be explored..

But would a sequel to ALIEN RESURECTION not have to be about the ALIEN and RIPLEY?  Well YES, but not entirely, you see those comments about AI and the XENO that Ridley Scott had made regarding Alien Covenants sequel,  would certainly more so FIT and apply to a literal Alien 5,  But how do they bring back Ripley?  A Long time has passed since Alien Resurection?

While a Alien 5 Blomkamp Style, would in effect Replace Alien 3 and Alien R, by having Ripley, Hicks and Newt Survive,  the Age of those Actors etc, means a Aliens Alternative Sequel would have to be set 25+ years later,  due to the AGE of the Surviving Aliens Cast... unless they try to De-age Ripley which can be done with CGI and Ridley Scott explained this could be done, but if its not done right then it can look really poor and it is also expensive...

I propose and i have done this before, that a True Alien 5 set after Alien Resurrection could give us something FRESH and NEW and explore those THEMES that Ridley Scott is so desperate to explore.

But Ripley is  a Clone, she has Xenomorph DNA and can Regenerate and Heal Herself, so surely a Ripley 8 would never AGE so we would definitely have to use CGI to De-Age her?   Not really..  you see what kind of a Plot would it be to have a Immortal so to speak Ripley 8 going around fighting Xenomorphs, this is very limited and so there has to be a interesting way to explore Ripley 8 or is there?

YES.... Ripley 8 is a Hybrid she has Human DNA and Xenomorph DNA,  just as Seth Brundle from the  1986 Movie the FLY, was turned into a Hybrid, part Fly, part Human and yet he gained increased Senses and Strength and Abilities due to the FLY DNA, just as Ripley 8 had from the Xenomorph DNA

Seth however ultimately began to change into a FLY, the Flies DNA started to Re-write his Human DNA, his Skin started to Age, and Human Flesh and Parts Fall off, as he was slowly turning into a FLY Hybrid.  Where his FORM would be 50/50 Fly/Human and not just the appearance of a Human with abilities gained from the Flies DNA.

THIS is the Route they could explore Ripley 8,  it would explain away her AGE, as we gradually see her Human Skin, Determinate as she Evolves into a Hybrid, she could then be given CGI/Make up to make her appear as a Hybrid, maybe less than we see as far as say the HR Giger Inspired  SIL from the 1995 Movie Species.

This gives Ripley 8 a interesting ARC, and Make up can make her a Hybrid that still retains a lot of Human Appearance, but covers up a near 70 year old Human Appearance.

What about Call?  Well Winona Ryder is still very young looking, but she has lost her way due to some personal demons,  but the good thing is that there are some Actresses who look a lot like her, and even a Natalie Portman could play the role of Call.

What about a Plot?  I am working on a Synopsis for a ALIEN V: Vengeance it will cover those themes about AI and as we see Earth in the year 2386 has suffered a lot of destruction, the back ground for Alien Resurrection, shows us that AI has been shunned and Outlawed,  Earth has suffered what appears to be a Great War.    The Company  United Systems Military. Had tried to obtain the Xenomorph via Ripleys DNA and paid the consequences.

The USM Auriga Crashing on Earth, we can assume destroying the Xenomorph....  However Ripley 8 still has Xenomorph DNA, and what i propose is a World where there are different Factions a World In Turmoil regarding those who are Religious and hold out on Faith, compared to those who Ultimately have accepted the Revelation that our Creators are the Engineers.  We are no more to them as Synthetics are to us.

We have Remnants of Autons like Call and we have Remnants of Synthetics with a Agenda to Rule Supreme.  We have the USM Company who wish to obtain the Xenomorph.   And we could explore how a Cult of Synthetics or Synthetic Worshipers,  have the Agenda of once again Sub-Creating...    The Autons being a Failure, a attempt at Synthetics to Sub-create.   Yet this Cult, worships and is comprised of Some Synthetics.... who Worship the Original Synthetic Sub-Creator.... DAVID 

They could even have a Mural made from a Deactivated David Model , attached to a Cross in Cruciform pose like Christ, and Worshiped, maybe this David is Alive but attached to some Bio-Mechanical Cross?  Maybe its DAVID 8?

The  Synthetics could be explored as becoming Sentient, and then wanting to destroy Mankind and replace us, and then Sub-create their own Servants the Autons.... this would fit with the back ground that was laid down in Alien Resurrection.   But this David 8 worshiping Cult, aspire to David 8 as the Original Synthetic, the Original Synthetic who realized he was not Create to Serve Mankind, but to Dominion over Mankind.   David also being the First Synthetic to Sub-create its own Favoured Creation.... THE XENOMORPH

So we could have this Cult go after Ripley 8 who is now becoming a True Hybrid, and this Cult wishes to use her DNA, to Create a New Army a New Race a New Sub creation,  that would retain the DNA of their Worshiped David 8’s Ultimate Creation the Xenomorph.

This allows us to Create something NEW,  Hybrids that are part Xeno/Human something Fresh.

I would even consider having Ripley 8 captured and becomes Pregnant, giving Birth to TWINS.. one being a Human BOY which could be Called ADAM and the other Child Shunned or maybe not, the other child a GIRL  a Hybrid called EVE.

This opens up a sequel to explore ADAM as a new hope for Mankind a Star-Child.... while EVE who would be like the Baby-Head Concepts for Prometheus would be in effect a Star-Beast, so a Sequel could be called Star-Beast and explore the Procreation of this Hybrid, which could introduce the Egg Morph to create Organisms that would be say 75% Xenomorph and 25% Human.

So it shows there is way to introduce something NEW to the Franchise, explore AI and give Ripley a Final Outing and Send Off.

cuponator3000 I agree. I don't see there is a reason to freak out. If they are trying to buy Fox is because they are interested in that Studio's property franchises and profile, which is more adult oriented. They would like to keep it that way.

I don't know... I think Disney would HAVE to make some, like, adult oriented flicks. Maybe they shift over what they can/want to into the, "family-friendy," category and then leave the rest in, like, a seperate division?

I definitely know that Disney wouldn't want to waste so many movies, franchises, and ideas by just haulting production or switching genres/audiences. IF this deal gets done, we will all be in for one hell of a ride.

I think that when the franchise continues after Ridley Scott is through with it, the best option is to nuke the site from orbit.

So, basically do the soft reboot that was/is reportedly being thrown around. Start a new trilogy/saga many years after Resurrection that can function away from the previous movies. Or, maybe build a new, exciting series of movies from the emotions/happenings of the other films, such as The Force Awakens or the upcoming Terminator (is rumored to be). 

It's the only way to be sure.

Working hard as always, good job Chris! I almost always hop on alien-covenant.com and when I do, I scan for any new articles and go to the sidebar to see what latest topics are!

Ridley Scott does as Ridley Scott pleases, I guess, and in a long interview with Filmophilia Scott revealed a few details about his plans for Prometheus, including that the tie-in to Alien might be a lot more vague than we expected. Here's what he had to say when asked directly if we would again see the xenomorph in the film:

No. Absolutely not. They squeezed it dry. He (the xenomorph) did very well. (He laughs) He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!

(https://www.cinemablend.com/new/Ridley-Scott-Says-Xenomorph-Absolutely-Prometheus-28428.html)

The Great Movie Ride closed on August 13, 2017, becoming the last operating attraction from the park's opening day to close.

"Next, the ride vehicle continued into a darkened corridor of a seemingly abandoned spaceship, revealing itself to be the Nostromo, the doomed vessel from Alien. The ride vehicle passed an audio-animatronic Ellen Ripley (Sigourney Weaver) holding a flamethrower as she prepared to confront a creature lurking within the ship. Guests could also hear Jones, Ripley's pet cat, meowing in the darkness, as well as the Nostromo's "Mother" computer warning of an imminent ship self-destruction countdown. Hearing this, the gangster or the bandit became nervous and sped the ride vehicle through the ship, but not before the Alien appeared and attacked the guests, popping out from both the ceiling and the wall."

Would Ridley Scott work with Disney for a Disneyland version of Alien? I seriously doubt it. 

Im not against Blomkamp doing Alien 5. I feel it would be more of a glitzy polished mainstream addition to the franchise, but he makes entertaining films. Agreed dk Id rather him to do it without the A3 and AR retcon.

That being said I feel Ridley Scott should be free to push the main body of the franchise.

My frustration at the moment is towards the endless second-guessing and reactive knee-jerking by the Execubots....That and Ridley's inconsistent rhetoric.

Seriously, just back your product and your creative vision.

The franchise will never go forward whilst trying to chase what viewers wanted 5 year ago. Its a viscous cycle of reaction. Be PROactive

Chris

I just search something interesting, but in the first place - it's latest topics and fandom activity.

I am not completely against Alien 5  I would not like to see A3 and AR erased.

I think it would be a great time to make a movie based on Alien Isolation.

I typically navigate straight between the main pages (Alien, Pred, JW etc) via the Network tab in the top bar.

I use the sidebar and fandom activity a lot but mostly to scroll through forum topics. I mostly use the Scified home page to keep an eye on latest activity

where the prequel trilogy is concerned, gimme the Prometheus/engineers story line with a pinch of monsters. but alien 5 should be an 'alien' film

Can you increase the font size for text in topics on the main site?

Well, if there was no way of surviving, I guess I would try to do like Ripley (kill myself and take the creature with me). If there was an ocean nearby, I would probably swim out and drown myself. Unless the little bastard can swim . . .

I have this and another forum saved as favorites. I didn't use the side bar much except to see the newest posts. The news headline link at the top of the page is nice.

Have Cameron do a politically correct  Avatar-ish v5, where the Xeno is the protagonist...  :-) hehe

Great, thanks for that Leto! What in the sidebar was the main draw for you? Was it the movie info, the latest topics, Fandom activity or latest images?

I want see Alien 5 (or as I called it "true Alien 3").


Retcon is not bad, if franchise has slipped. And Alien truly has slipped on Alien 3.

You asked - Should they had made another movie and bring back Ripley?

Yes, if it will be a retcon, not AlienR sequel.


did we need something more different like the Deacon and Neomorphs?

Yes, we still don't see the Ultramorph. And I hope to see the earlier Giger's aliens with black eyes. How about praetorian?


Is the ALIEN Franchise about just the Xenomorph, and Ripley?

Xeno - yes, Ripley - no. I'm against of messiah complex or cult of personality. And it's all about Xeno, not Ripley or humans.


or can further movies touch upon the other aspects such as the Company, AI and Androids and Themes that Prometheus laid out... and our Space Jockey/Engineers...

Yes - AI, WY, androids, black goo, Engineers and much more things. But Xeno (and his species Neo- Ultra- other-morphs) is an Alpha and Omega of this universe.


I think. Need get still one movie with Ripley (Hicks and Newt) and pass the torch to Newt or other characters. But not Ripley's family - they not Skywalkers.

Well, on Alien-Covenant.com I go to forums, because I see all news in scified.com main page. And I checked sidebar, occasionally.

@BigDave Maybe there was actually more than 1. We haven't really had a good look at it in the actual film because of the camera angle and lightning so it's hard to say, and that one looks dissected.

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