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"It’s always quite fascinating, when I look back at things and I realize how deep into it I actually was.[b] It’s almost like I’m occupied by something.[/b]" I swear everyone from the cast to the production team are under instructions to toy with the fanbase lol

Not 100% the same as what you are talking about, but this parasite lives inside ants and when they reach an ideal spot causes them to die and grows out from them. [url]http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/08/18/parasite-infested-zombie-ants-walked-the-earth-48-million-years-ago/[/url] Supposedly this has be going on for around 48 million years, and does not seem to happen to any other creature. Very odd, yet very fascinating!!!

amazing stuff shadowcaster, thanks man. "Zombie Ants", who "woulda thunk it"?

Welcome dude, & of course...awesome I want a copy now!

LOL awesome! I am glad to have found something that interested you. Like I said to he friend that texted me about the magazine existence: [IMG]http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d105/solicia/text.jpg[/IMG]

lol funny stuff

I always viewed the Sj's as benign, with a theory that they created the xenomorph as a means to artificially create extinction events on fledgling worlds, encouraging the development of intelligent life through evolution. I have thought about this in great detail since first seeing Alien when I was young.

well who knows who actually send that distress call....it might have been Vickers or Elizabeth?.....so many questions to ponder?

Well in reality for the past 30 years all we could do was assume that the SJ's were the originators of the signal. Only just recently with Prometheus in production did our perception of this change to make us question the sorce of the signal. As with all my curiosity is piqued! Time will tell.

I believe the Space Jockeys or Growers are Harvesting Planets in Space along with slave Humans, just as was intended by Jon Spaihts in his original version of the script. I believe with regard to Prometheus that they are peacfull beings unless you cross them and that when one of the Prometheus crew members steals some of the Ampules form them, the Growers Get "MidEvil" on their asses. I believe they {The Growers/Space Jockeys} are capable of Evil like Humans but only when the situation truly warrents it.

I always liked to believe that H. R. Giger's great design showed the 'rotted, skeletal remains' of what the large 'Spacejockey' alien looked like after being seated on that structure over an untold number of years... I also imagined this to be an unlucky, and benign-looking kind of alien to begin with, but over the years Sir Ridley has speculated that it possibly had a more aggressive agenda...which I've been happy to go along with. But going by various further speculations by Sir Ridley, it seems that this may end up the remains of a 'spacesuit' instead. Fair enough, but I sure hope it contains some kind of as-yet-unseen kind of alien to begin with...as the last thing I want to find out is that Noomi or some other 'human-like' cast member ends up in that 'spacesuit' by the end of this movie! Anyway, I'll leave you with these thoughts - [i]Firstly, I always assumed that the 'Spacejockey's seat was where the 'warning' signal originally eminated from...but this is never confirmed in the first movie, so it might instead have been sent from ELSEWHERE inside the 'Derelict' spaceship...or somewhere NEARBY it... ...which means that the 'penis'-like 'seat' structure might have just been a 'pilot-seat'/'gun-emplacement' (there could be a section that opens above it, that we never saw originally)...rather than a structure that keeps sending out a 'warning' signal... [/i] On the other hand, even though Ripley realises it's a 'warning' signal and not a 'distress' signal (just as 'The Company' probably did)...it's not necessarily one sent by a 'human-like' character inside the 'Spacejockey' suit to warn other 'humans' by the end of the new movie, hopefully...but might be a 'warning' signal that's sent by an actual alien-esque 'Spacejockey' to others of it's OWN kind to beware...

That is a very viable view on how this could all play out Spartacus. I have often thought this too! On a side note, I notice you talk about this script by Jon Spaihts that was supposedly a bogus script. I have read "Shadow 19", but have been unable to find the script you read and enjoyed so much. I wish I could find it read it, as I am sure I would enjoy it too and would get so many new ideas in my head.

the space jockey's could be life creators. they travel interstellar space to seed life on planets. Purpose could be to utilize them in the future as slaves, or have them as allies. in fact, it would be safe to assume that H.R Gieger's (creator of the Alien look) creativity was aided by ancient Egyptian culture and art. [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8sv9gYsuLwc/SZidoZu4DfI/AAAAAAAAAEY/iu4gEpIrc4s/s1600/380.jpg[/img][img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8sv9gYsuLwc/TUSnuAb1iBI/AAAAAAAAAdE/hRH2Cd4LwZ0/s1600/sacredbarkofsokar.jpg[/img] The image above is from the Egyptian Book of the Dead on papyrus. additionally, the aliens in the movie look more like therianthropes, half man, half beast. ancient cave art depicts these entities frequently, throughout the world. some go back 50,000+ years ago. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Egypte_louvre_031.jpg/200px-Egypte_louvre_031.jpg[/img][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Hrgigeralien.jpg[/img]

I always used to look on H. R. Giger's great design as being the decayed, skeletal, biomechanical REMAINS of the 'Spacejockey' alien, rather than it's true original features, especially it's 'skull'...and imagined it to be an unlucky member of a possibly benign race of beings that had rotted away and 'fossilized' into the 'seat structure' over an untold number of years.... ...but over the years Sir Ridley has speculated that it might have had a more aggressive agenda with those 'eggs', and I've been happy to go along with that. However, I never once looked on that design as being a biomechanical 'spacesuit and helmet'... I can certainly get onboard with the biomechanical 'spacesuit' notion if it doesn't include making the 'skull' portion a 'helmet', because I'd rather that part of the original design to be the rotted remants of an actual as-yet-unseen alien race.... The last thing I want to find out is that Noomi or one of the other cast members end up inside a 'spacesuit and helmet' that looked like the overall 'Spacejockey' design! I'll leave you with these thoughts - [i] Firstly, although I used to assume that the 'warning' signal eminated from the 'seat structure' that the 'Spacejockey' was found sitting on, it was never confirmed that this was the case in the original movie...so the 'warning' signal might have been set off ELSEWHERE inside the 'Derelict' spacecraft instead...or even somewhere NEARBY it... ...so instead of being the piece of technology that transmitted an ongoing 'warning' signal, the 'seat structure' could have just been a 'pilot-seat' incorporating a 'gun-emplacement', as there may be a section that opens above it that we never saw onscreen...[/i] [i]Secondly, although Ripley eventually deciphered the 'distress' signal as being a 'warning' signal (just as 'The Company' did before her), I'm hoping that the new movie doesn't show it as being a 'warning' signal sent by a 'Human' inside that 'Spacejockey's spacesuit using 'alien-esque' technology to send a 'warning' to other Humans... ...but instead hope that it does indeed show the 'warning' signal as being sent by an alien-looking 'Spacejockey' from that 'seat structure' to warn other members of it's OWN race to beware...or alternatively, hope it shows an alien-looking 'pilot'/'gunner'-type 'Spacejockey's last position before it was attacked from within...[/i]

i think the key is about the "trasmission " ...was a warning that sounded like "stay away !! dangerous things aboard !!" ...or a menace ( like its in some european translations ) " we come to destroy your world !! you are doomed !!" ...or a simple SOS " dudes ive crashed ... send help ive some pain in the stomach " ... the tone of the trasmissione would give us a key to understand the behaviour of the space jockeys race

Maybe the sj's are good guys but we piss them off enough to turn evil.

Y'know, one of the things that still niggles me (there's a few!) about Sir Ridley's 'Director's Cut' of ALIENS...is the fact he changed the very creepy-sounding 'warning' signal sound effect heard on the original deleted scene to the current non-creepy sound when he incorporated the scene... I remember thinking the original sound was truly scary. Too bad he changed it. Just another thought - [i]why was there a big hole nearby the 'Spacejockey' I wonder? The one 'Kane' was lowered down through...[/i]

ShadowCaster I have it in PDF. It is the very first draft he did of it and which got leaked online about a YEAR ago. send me an email to this address with the email address you want me to send it to. spartacus1962@gmail.com

Casavantes wrote: "Just another thought - why was there a big hole nearby the 'Spacejockey' I wonder? The one 'Kane' was lowered down through..." I always thought because whatever thing/thing{s} burst out of the Jockey, burnt it's/their way down into the Hull so the Queen could come lay her eggs. The whole was made by one or more face Huggers who had burst out from the Jockey!!!

I sent it Shadowcaster, Let me know if you have any trouble at all with it. Regards, Sparty@ThePrometheusParty

Spartacus, a Chestburster would have burst from the SJ, not a facehugger. Furthermore the HOLE was either made by the facehugger on the way up (doubtful as it would have alerted the SJ) or the Chestburster/Alien on the way down. Either way we will most likely see this in the end of Prometheus.

your right, that's what I meant, My Bad. It is clearly a hole made from the acid for blood theory by whatever creature{s} came out of the Jockey!!!

No Prob, That said I'm a little confused that no-one has commented on the post I made earlier in this thread, which with a little thought into how the alien propogates makes a whole lot of sense. BTW, can everyone stop refering to SJ's as "Growers", that is the worst sci-fi name I have ever heard. Whats next refering to the alien as "Planters", come on!

Thanks folks, for all your thoughts on this matter, which were enlightening. Still...I'm interested in hearing more theories. I believe Ridley said something about that space jockey's back-story being very relevant to Prometheus.

My bad, that is/was their original name..."Growers", because that is what they do, Harvest planets and it is the name given to them bvy their creator John Spaihts. now they are called... ..."Engineers"... I apologize for that. That's what I will use from now on.

Hmm interesting... I heard a rumour a while back that he was going to be 'pushed out' of the credits so other creature designers working on the film could take credit / receive any awards given. I don't have a source for this, I just remember reading it somewhere on the web. Flashback to Alien 3...there were crediting disputes there. AD (Amalgamated Dynamics), the design studio working on the creature got full credits for the 'Dog Alien'.

Yeah the Alien3 crediting mistake did not go well with Giger at all. He was furious if I remember correctly, and he severed ties/relations with studios. Though I would not be surprised of he kept lines of communication open with Ridley. Possibly he offered some help to Ridley, Ridley told the studio, studio accepted on the premis that Giger stays uncredited. But it still all boils down to there being a very unpleasant relationship between Giger and Fox.

If he has worked on the film (and it does look like he has in some capacity from the stills and footage released) then I hope he receives proper credit. His treatment while working on Alien 3 was complete BS.

I believe there is NO way this time that Ridley allows this to happen yet again. He {Giger} had a massive law suit promptly settled out of court after Resurrection came out and he was not credited for the Alien design. I think it came close to happening the same way on Alien 3 for which he made thousands of drawings and paintings and designs for and for the dog alien creature and of which very very few were used because the studio...FOX...did not want to spend the money on to build the sets necessary for them.

that url does not work for me...but i know something nasty is gonna happen to her....personally i adore Charlize Theron....she is from my home country (South Africa) and i am very proud of what she has manged to achieve throughout her career...i would ten times rather c her as the protagonist in this movie....but from what I can tell she is either gonna die a horrible death or she is gonna be some kinda robotic thing send by the company...or perhaps she will be the villain....and change into an evil alien xeno prototype send by the jockeys to investigate .....as some made up plot I read before suggested....witch ever way...i am glad she is in this movie and i am sure she will play her character to the T....she is a very accomplished actress ...be sure to expect an amazing performance!

She is a good actress ...a very good one ... but for some reasons she is the character i fear the most .... she is a well known actress in a role that can be a stereotype ( the classic corporate manager that think only about profit ) and she is so beautiful that her apparence is a stereotype alone . It will not be an easy task to create something original and deep .

true...that's why i doubt that she will be the protagonist....but she did mention that her character changes quite dramatically as the movie progresses....whether she becomes a good girl or a acid bleeding abomination...well only time will tell?

[url]http://sknr.net/2011/08/03/prometheus-comic-con-2011-panel-pictures/[/url] Sorry people, I seem to have put an extra character in the original link, the above link should work now.

Im starting to think that elements of the leaked plot could be true, i.e, Vickers transforming. Im pretty sure theres some documentary on one of my Alien DVDs that mentions the "Star Beast"

When I heard she was gonna be in this I was stunned, I have such a Major Adult Crush On her. She's a FABULOUS actress as well. I guess "some girls" got all the beauty and the brains. She is a walking talking testament to the existence of some sort of a god, LOL cause only a God IMO could make woman that special.

Engineer Prototype - Model GAJ84 › Im starting to think that elements of the leaked plot could be true, i.e, Vickers transforming. Im pretty sure theres some documentary on one of my Alien DVDs that mentions the "Star Beast" -------------------------- I have been totally convinced of this for some time now.

I'm going to dig my boxset out tonight and go through the documentaries to see if I can find out anything interesting. OT - I've got a kinda feeling its gona go someway like this, Space Jockey/Engineer + Human = Xenomorph.

the original title for alien was gonna be "Star Beast"....witch in my opinion would have been a very lame title....don't ask me where i read this....but i remember it cause i almost choked with laughter when i read it...it was one of those popcorn facts...

"Star Beast - Developing the story" is the short documentary. I'm going to scrutinise it later when i have the time. If anyone else wants to see it, here are the links. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zeyTXjEYLE[/url] - Part 1 [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQf0ECAdZeA&feature=related[/url] - Part 2

When Alien was released in JAPAN for instance, It's Title there translated to something like... "The 8th Passenger Of The Nostromo". "Star Beast" was the name Dan O'Bannon orginaly penned to his original story which eventually became "Alien".