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ok I can answer that for you Go watch the scene again, then go watch it with the commentary on at the 1 Hour 30 minute mark and in Ridley Scott's Own Voice we hear the explanation, that there was 100% a sexual implication, and on top of that, in Cartwrights own voice we hear her cleary state, "the creature is obviously doing other things to me". Quite frankly after all the work I had to do to post this for you guys this morning I am amazed that anyone would read all that and yet STILL DENY the sexual implications in that scene, and then do it yet again, after hearing Cartwright say the exact same thing, and then do it yet again after hearing Ridley Scott himself clearly state that this was what was intended for you to think...

Yeah I totally believe its Raping/Impregnating her,Ialso believe this will be confirmed in Prometheus. Another interesting point.... In the Directors cut we see the Alien examining Jones' kitty box, when Riply drops it and runs away to safety. The Alien then takes a swipe at the box and knocks it flying, this suggests to me the Alien considered Jones to be a meaningless commodity i.e. the Alien couldnt use him for impregnation/coccooning. The alien was driven from the start to go after the crew...viable commodities?

I agree, and there was also a mistake in the filming of that scene, At first when Ripley looks at the cage it is facing one way, she looks away then looks back and it's facing another way now. I've heard Scott himself mention this as well.

Yeah in the original cut we dont see the box get hit by the Alien and its facing the wrong way when she gets back to it, but the directors cut clears this up as we see the Alien swipe the box. Another cutting mistake was when Brett gets lifted up into the landing gear, Ripley and parker say they watched him get pulled up but you dont see the shot. The directors cut also clears this up. My god who edited this film? And to leave out the Alien transmission scene where we all actually hear the creepy transmission.....Sacriledge!

spartacus ...arguing and making a discussion is one thing ..but arriving at the point to insist with 193438 post to prove your point become annoyng ..expecially when your opinion is based on one "rape ?? " that have clearly all other means ... with that attitude you can see sexual meanings in everything ..and maybe if you tell me your age i will tell you why . All the things you extracted from the commentaries ( one on 10439 commentaries made on the movie ) prove the exact contrary of your theories . You are not doing a great service to a great movie with all that petulance .

Fair enough, if that was said in the commentaries...if you were a casual viewer I don't think you would have got that impression of rape though. Was there anything earlier in the film to suggest the beast had a sex drive? Only the face hugger perhaps...but that's the face hugger - a separate entity, not the actual alien. Perhaps the tail rising between it's legs as it approaches Lambert? Lol, amazing this film still attracts controversial discussion 30+ years later

not if.. it's there and I even told you guys were it is exactly also, First thing Frantz did was insult me and tell me He must have a different disc than me... I took it and said nothing about it. and Then after I proved he was wrong, and corrected not just that, but showed him exactly on that disc where it is that Ridley Scott HIMSELF mentions the very sexual implications of the EXACT SCENE IN QUESTION I am talking about and he still wants to insist there is no sexual over tone to that scene???????? Fine deny yourself till your dead, but Scott still said this... and he clearly says it EXACTLY WHERE I SAID HE SAYS IT ON THE DVD ITSELF Ridley Scott: "I mean, we didn't know how she dies, but the implication was that there was this kind of sexuality to this endrogenous male/female creature that could give birth itself, but whom could also impregnate...so it's like uh, there are insects like that so we based that all on you know, a little bit of good ol' Mother Nature. Was that some dreadfull ending, some terrible invasion of her body, a Rape?, and therefore, certainly whatever happens from then on, there would be more Human Like Aliens on board this craft. You go into these areas that are unique, and it's difficult". {He means to film these "Grey Areas"}. and THIS... Cartwright: "Yaphet is the one who keeps telling me to move but I can't really move when I am between him and the Alien...and here it comes...see...now...this is the thing...he's like very fascinating in a weird sort of way...look at him, he's like looking at me...he's like...CHECKING ME OUT... I was going off with the fact that I would end up in a locker somehow, BUT OBVIOUSLY HE IS DOING OTHER THINGS TO ME...Belagi who played the Alien, He was just amazing, I mean he was this graphic artist that they found in a pub and he was 7 feet tall and he was {sounds like "Mass-eye"} so he had very long limbs, and actually that suit fit him, and he would walk around in these white sneakers and Tom was the one that said this poor fella needs to sit down, they built him a special swing, but you couldn't sit down once you had that tail on" Those 2 quotes are word for word!!! My Lord, seriously, My lord Time to give it up !!!

Petulance; By Definition = the condition or quality of being irritable, peevish, or impatient. and IMO whenever someone is wrong and knows they are wrong, they become irritable... It is not I that is displaying Petulance Frantz but rather yourself. I was patient, extremely patient with you and went to considerable effort out of respect for you to prove what I was telling you, that it was not something I was making up as you were suggesting, but now I have no patience left at all for any of this discussion. I rather liked you too before all these things you said to me today. I stuck to the facts, this is not personal, I thought you were interested in the truth but after you heard it from Ridley Scott himself and still denied it I guess it was because... "The Truth Hurts" and the "petulance" in all of this , is your own.

Game Over Thank you It is nice to see you are a fair and honest person. I cannot understand why Frantz got upset but I guess like I said it was because I actually proved what I was saying and the truth hurts sometimes. It was certainly not my intention for hims to be upset. I really have no intention or desire for anyone to be wrong, but when anyone tries to tell me there are no sexual over tones and inuendo in that scene in particular I cannot except it because there clearly and 100% are just that.

I'm still humming the Total Awesomnous of the Totally Awesome score/theme song in my head from the Totally Awesome thing I have come to know as the ... ..."It's so unfair it was leaked I am a cry baby exec @ Fox Test Trailer from The Earl Early Early Early Early Stages of the films development". {yea...right} LMAO.

I love the music in that trailer...it's just a teaser tho and i fear they might drop it with future more elaborate official close to release trailers.....i hope they don't....i am loving it.......kinda 9 inch nails meets depeche mode meets a crazy symphony and it just gives the trailer that extra oomph....it interacts so well with the visuals and that part where it goes silent and the woman (propably Rapace) screams "PLEASE!!!" and then it returns......(that is what she screams right?).....well that part always gives me goose flesh!

Just to get back on track with this thread and why we are registered here. I am an engineer and I have to say given the vast amount of physical andscientic based evidence on the origins of mankind blows all theory's of the ancient astronaut theories out of the water. We humans are just not satified with our lot and the fact we evolved from apes. Look at the inteligence of say dolphins and elephants compared to other similar size and type animals. They are way ahead of most. Remember the world and civilisation has reinvented itself on may occasions due to monumentous natural disasters over the ages. Some leading scientists believe within 100 years mankind will be reduced to several million survivors. Personnally I dont buy this. There is absolutly no concrete evidence of extraterestirals being on this planet. Where are they now? Why do they always seem to be in the past? What I love about sci-fi is its sci-fi and nothing elese. Something to dream about and enables us to get away from reality. Bring it on I love it all.

MCIAD, You said you are an engineer, What kind of engineer are you? Civil, Mechanical, Systems, Quality, Operating, Electrical, etc. Every Engineer I know differentiates what kind of engineer they are, sort of a pride in what they do. They don't just run out and say hey I'm an engineer and I don't buy into the whole ancient astronaut theory without having some kind of a background. How else should we give any credence to what you said in your post? I'm not picking a fight, I'm just pointing out the obvious and would like some background. Regards, Rick

Rick didnt think it mattered so much. Just a belief in mankind based on sound engineering and scentific principles of how we got here today and how we will survive come what may. You dont have to be an engineer/scientist to subscribe to these facts. Simply watch any of the history of the earth documentarties or read books written by engineers and scientics. For what it's worth I am a chartered structural engineer since 1990 and run my own business. I was 15 when Alien appear on the big screen. What facinates me about this whole Alien thing is it's concept. I think it's based on sound principles because I do believe given the size of the universe, statistically there must be more life forms out there. Whether they have every come to earth and interfered with our history is hard to believe given no evidence.

wow this thread has really evolved into into quite a grand mythology...time I throw in another 2 cents worth... One night I went out about 2 or 3 years ago to a local gay club (shock horror i am gay)...anyway this much older guy approached me after scrutinizing me across the room for like half an hour...I was actually getting rather uncomfortable...then he finally got the courage to approach me and introduced himself....his first question to me was weather I was an alternative healer, cause i had this huge bright burning aura.....i was like huh?....i heard some lines before...but this is rather refreshing...obviously I just laughed and said no. But this old chap was extremely articulate and very intelligent...he told me that he could actually see auras and also that we all had some type of guardian angel...he could not quite make out mine cause he said it was very foreign and extremely potent and very high up....tho he assured me that it was definitely an alien...lol....I thought he was just trying to get a lay...but he already had a lover (much to my relief) and I was invited to their home on a number of accusations...he himself was an alternative healer and very highly educated...a very spiritual kinda person...kinda eccentric without coming across as crazy or weird....we spoke on the subject of aliens and he assured me that my guardian was definitely a terrestrial being....my very own spacejock...lol Tho I have to add that I took this information with quite a huge grain of salt....i mean their is some very convincing nuts out their...but from what I could tell he was rather successful in his practice as an alternative healer and also very respected by the community....so who knows?....but I certainly don't have any delusions of grandeur and i only think of his theory as a possibility...i mean what if their is these aliens that actually scrutinize our behavior .......and what happens when we die.....end of experiment or do we go and live amongst them.....if they look anything like the xeno's or jockeys...then I might give it a pass....lol

my my...this certainly have become quite an interesting thread....a little heated....but not all out war...interesting to read everyone's opinions tho....it's like I half agree and disagree with just about each post so far....but what if their is FUCKALL...u are born u life and die and turn to dust...period.....that idea scares the living shit out of me...no heaven...no hell...no spiritual plain or reincarnation....u can't even be a fucking ghost...no alien bio-engineers to take u under their wing when u finally kick the bucket....yip I am returning to the subject of religion....cause essentially that is what this thread is about...or what it has evolved into....sorry sparky....i know it was not the way u intended it.....still u have had plenty of replies...be proud! Once I went to a club and this old guy approached me and told me that I had this big and beautiful aura surrounding me...he even asked me if I had healing abilities...he himself was an alternative healer...working with crystals and all kinds of shit....he told me that i do have something watching over me...like a higher being and then in the same breath he asked me if I believe in aliens....cause he said that my guardian was somehow very different and super powerful....i was so chuffed....truth be told i think he just wanted to get into my pants (this was a gay club after all)...but still...i cannot help but nurture the fact that maybe i have a spacejock looking out for me....lol...delusions of grandeur....i know....but what if their really are aliens out their...scrutinizing our every move...like guardians waiting and watching...but for what?....lol...I did eventually become friends with the old chap and his practice was very real.....as a matter of fact he has managed to cure some very ill people and he is highly educated....he was just so very articulate and intelligent......I desperately wanted to believe....but oh well...who knows?

wow this thread has really evolved into into quite a grand mythology...time I throw in another 2 cents worth... One night I went out about 2 or 3 years ago to a local gay club (shock horror i am gay)...anyway this much older guy approached me after scrutinizing me across the room for like half an hour...I was actually getting rather uncomfortable...then he finally got the courage to approach me and introduced himself....his first question to me was weather I was an alternative healer, cause i had this huge bright burning aura.....i was like huh?....i heard some lines before...but this is rather refreshing...obviously I just laughed and said no. But this old chap was extremely articulate and very intelligent...he told me that he could actually see auras and also that we all had some type of guardian angel...he could not quite make out mine cause he said it was very foreign and extremely potent and very high up....tho he assured me that it was definitely an alien...lol....I thought he was just trying to get a lay...but he already had a lover (much to my relief) and I was invited to their home on a number of accusations...he himself was an alternative healer and very highly educated...a very spiritual kinda person...kinda eccentric without coming across as crazy or weird....we spoke on the subject of aliens and he assured me that my guardian was definitely a terrestrial being....my very own spacejock...lol Tho I have to add that I took this information with quite a huge grain of salt....i mean their is some very convincing nuts out their...but from what I could tell he was rather successful in his practice as an alternative healer and also very respected by the community....so who knows?....but I certainly don't have any delusions of grandeur and i only think of his theory as a possibility...i mean what if their is these aliens that actually scrutinize our behavior .......and what happens when we die.....end of experiment or do we go and live amongst them.....if they look anything like the xeno's or jockeys...then I might give it a pass....lol

I read this amazing novel by Stephen King called "Insomnia". It really is one of his best books, and I should know as I think I have read and own a copy of all of them so far. Anyways, this story's main character is suffering from a serious bout with Insomnia, and as it progresses he begins to have recurring hallucinations and in all of them he can see the "Aura" of every person he looks at, not only that, but depending on what type of person it is he is looking at, the Aura's manifest themselves as Balloon Strings hovering above their heads in different colors for different people, an Evil person for instance would have a dark Black Balloon string "Aura". It's just a novel I know, but I find the idea of it all fascinating as well.

OK In a nutshell, The bad guy tries to kill everyone involved with the local abortion clinic by piloting and aiming a plane into a school where they will be having a rally for a female politician who supports their cause, and will be speaking at on that day.

oh i read that book as well...(love Stephen King)....i remember the balloons....so long ago...i cannot actually remember the end of the book at all...what happened again.....tho we might be going way of topic.....so just a short explanation....lol

oh yes....yeah I remember now...thanks!....bottom line and returning to the subject...,,,the plot of Prometheus is bound to spark some controversy.... mind u it's not like we living in the dark ages...so hopefully people are more tolerant to new ideas...we'll see?

@juxtapose the man that hit on you, in my opinion, is correct. we all have an aura, soul, spirit within us, whatever one may call it. theorists propose that the brain isn't the center of our thoughts per se, but rather, more of a radio tuner for our conscious. people that undergo psychedelics have a feeling of knowing everything. Almost god-like feeling. These same users report seeing wave-like patterns, as well as the alien entities i mentioned earlier in the thread. Michael Talbot's 'The Holographic Universe' goes further and states that what we see with our eyes is only a portion of what 'reality' is. That in fact, we are really just wave forms, like the ripple effect when dropping a pebble in a pond.

@ droideggs....gosh that is a lot to take in....but my mind is very open....so yes I have no problem with the theory of having a spacejock guardian watching and guiding me...lol....sure i am not alone....but my own little illusions of grandeur set aside...i am sure we all play some kinda role in this universe...who and what created us....fuck knows?...what is out purpose....and what if their is fuckall purpose and no higher being and we just die and rot and everything is purely scientific.......eeeeeek!....now their is a scary thought!

in a nutshell...maybe life is all their is and we just trying to cling to some sort of believe...when we die...maybe we just fucking die...period....nothing!

"Again, I riffed," Spaihts says, "and in about an hour had spat out what remains the spine of the story of 'Prometheus,' " which Fox is scheduled to release next June. Well that's very interesting since Spaihts wrote 'Alien Harvest'.

lmao so variety magazine lied to the world and the guy they interviewed and who said this is not jon Spaihts. I look forward to seeing that Law suite and the Buzz around it...lmao.... Dude, Harvest is exactly what he pitched to them. They Kept Most of the ideas in that script as well from what I understand and Lindelof and Scott added some new additions and changed it around somewhat as well.

She is actually possesed by the characters she is playing... something like Tugg Speedman with Jack. Just Joking I love Noomi

"It’s always quite fascinating, when I look back at things and I realize how deep into it I actually was.[b] It’s almost like I’m occupied by something.[/b]" I swear everyone from the cast to the production team are under instructions to toy with the fanbase lol

Not 100% the same as what you are talking about, but this parasite lives inside ants and when they reach an ideal spot causes them to die and grows out from them. [url]http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/08/18/parasite-infested-zombie-ants-walked-the-earth-48-million-years-ago/[/url] Supposedly this has be going on for around 48 million years, and does not seem to happen to any other creature. Very odd, yet very fascinating!!!

amazing stuff shadowcaster, thanks man. "Zombie Ants", who "woulda thunk it"?

Welcome dude, & of course...awesome I want a copy now!

LOL awesome! I am glad to have found something that interested you. Like I said to he friend that texted me about the magazine existence: [IMG]http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d105/solicia/text.jpg[/IMG]

lol funny stuff

I always viewed the Sj's as benign, with a theory that they created the xenomorph as a means to artificially create extinction events on fledgling worlds, encouraging the development of intelligent life through evolution. I have thought about this in great detail since first seeing Alien when I was young.

well who knows who actually send that distress call....it might have been Vickers or Elizabeth?.....so many questions to ponder?

Well in reality for the past 30 years all we could do was assume that the SJ's were the originators of the signal. Only just recently with Prometheus in production did our perception of this change to make us question the sorce of the signal. As with all my curiosity is piqued! Time will tell.

I believe the Space Jockeys or Growers are Harvesting Planets in Space along with slave Humans, just as was intended by Jon Spaihts in his original version of the script. I believe with regard to Prometheus that they are peacfull beings unless you cross them and that when one of the Prometheus crew members steals some of the Ampules form them, the Growers Get "MidEvil" on their asses. I believe they {The Growers/Space Jockeys} are capable of Evil like Humans but only when the situation truly warrents it.

I always liked to believe that H. R. Giger's great design showed the 'rotted, skeletal remains' of what the large 'Spacejockey' alien looked like after being seated on that structure over an untold number of years... I also imagined this to be an unlucky, and benign-looking kind of alien to begin with, but over the years Sir Ridley has speculated that it possibly had a more aggressive agenda...which I've been happy to go along with. But going by various further speculations by Sir Ridley, it seems that this may end up the remains of a 'spacesuit' instead. Fair enough, but I sure hope it contains some kind of as-yet-unseen kind of alien to begin with...as the last thing I want to find out is that Noomi or some other 'human-like' cast member ends up in that 'spacesuit' by the end of this movie! Anyway, I'll leave you with these thoughts - [i]Firstly, I always assumed that the 'Spacejockey's seat was where the 'warning' signal originally eminated from...but this is never confirmed in the first movie, so it might instead have been sent from ELSEWHERE inside the 'Derelict' spaceship...or somewhere NEARBY it... ...which means that the 'penis'-like 'seat' structure might have just been a 'pilot-seat'/'gun-emplacement' (there could be a section that opens above it, that we never saw originally)...rather than a structure that keeps sending out a 'warning' signal... [/i] On the other hand, even though Ripley realises it's a 'warning' signal and not a 'distress' signal (just as 'The Company' probably did)...it's not necessarily one sent by a 'human-like' character inside the 'Spacejockey' suit to warn other 'humans' by the end of the new movie, hopefully...but might be a 'warning' signal that's sent by an actual alien-esque 'Spacejockey' to others of it's OWN kind to beware...

That is a very viable view on how this could all play out Spartacus. I have often thought this too! On a side note, I notice you talk about this script by Jon Spaihts that was supposedly a bogus script. I have read "Shadow 19", but have been unable to find the script you read and enjoyed so much. I wish I could find it read it, as I am sure I would enjoy it too and would get so many new ideas in my head.

the space jockey's could be life creators. they travel interstellar space to seed life on planets. Purpose could be to utilize them in the future as slaves, or have them as allies. in fact, it would be safe to assume that H.R Gieger's (creator of the Alien look) creativity was aided by ancient Egyptian culture and art. [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8sv9gYsuLwc/SZidoZu4DfI/AAAAAAAAAEY/iu4gEpIrc4s/s1600/380.jpg[/img][img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8sv9gYsuLwc/TUSnuAb1iBI/AAAAAAAAAdE/hRH2Cd4LwZ0/s1600/sacredbarkofsokar.jpg[/img] The image above is from the Egyptian Book of the Dead on papyrus. additionally, the aliens in the movie look more like therianthropes, half man, half beast. ancient cave art depicts these entities frequently, throughout the world. some go back 50,000+ years ago. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Egypte_louvre_031.jpg/200px-Egypte_louvre_031.jpg[/img][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Hrgigeralien.jpg[/img]