Am fascinated as to what the jockey's story is

I always viewed the Sj's as benign, with a theory that they created the xenomorph as a means to artificially create extinction events on fledgling worlds, encouraging the development of intelligent life through evolution. I have thought about this in great detail since first seeing Alien when I was young.

well who knows who actually send that distress call....it might have been Vickers or Elizabeth?.....so many questions to ponder?

Well in reality for the past 30 years all we could do was assume that the SJ's were the originators of the signal. Only just recently with Prometheus in production did our perception of this change to make us question the sorce of the signal. As with all my curiosity is piqued! Time will tell.

I believe the Space Jockeys or Growers are Harvesting Planets in Space along with slave Humans, just as was intended by Jon Spaihts in his original version of the script. I believe with regard to Prometheus that they are peacfull beings unless you cross them and that when one of the Prometheus crew members steals some of the Ampules form them, the Growers Get "MidEvil" on their asses. I believe they {The Growers/Space Jockeys} are capable of Evil like Humans but only when the situation truly warrents it.

That is a very viable view on how this could all play out Spartacus. I have often thought this too! On a side note, I notice you talk about this script by Jon Spaihts that was supposedly a bogus script. I have read "Shadow 19", but have been unable to find the script you read and enjoyed so much. I wish I could find it read it, as I am sure I would enjoy it too and would get so many new ideas in my head.

the space jockey's could be life creators. they travel interstellar space to seed life on planets. Purpose could be to utilize them in the future as slaves, or have them as allies. in fact, it would be safe to assume that H.R Gieger's (creator of the Alien look) creativity was aided by ancient Egyptian culture and art. [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8sv9gYsuLwc/SZidoZu4DfI/AAAAAAAAAEY/iu4gEpIrc4s/s1600/380.jpg[/img][img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8sv9gYsuLwc/TUSnuAb1iBI/AAAAAAAAAdE/hRH2Cd4LwZ0/s1600/sacredbarkofsokar.jpg[/img] The image above is from the Egyptian Book of the Dead on papyrus. additionally, the aliens in the movie look more like therianthropes, half man, half beast. ancient cave art depicts these entities frequently, throughout the world. some go back 50,000+ years ago. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Egypte_louvre_031.jpg/200px-Egypte_louvre_031.jpg[/img][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Hrgigeralien.jpg[/img]

I always used to look on H. R. Giger's great design as being the decayed, skeletal, biomechanical REMAINS of the 'Spacejockey' alien, rather than it's true original features, especially it's 'skull'...and imagined it to be an unlucky member of a possibly benign race of beings that had rotted away and 'fossilized' into the 'seat structure' over an untold number of years.... ...but over the years Sir Ridley has speculated that it might have had a more aggressive agenda with those 'eggs', and I've been happy to go along with that. However, I never once looked on that design as being a biomechanical 'spacesuit and helmet'... I can certainly get onboard with the biomechanical 'spacesuit' notion if it doesn't include making the 'skull' portion a 'helmet', because I'd rather that part of the original design to be the rotted remants of an actual as-yet-unseen alien race.... The last thing I want to find out is that Noomi or one of the other cast members end up inside a 'spacesuit and helmet' that looked like the overall 'Spacejockey' design! I'll leave you with these thoughts - [i] Firstly, although I used to assume that the 'warning' signal eminated from the 'seat structure' that the 'Spacejockey' was found sitting on, it was never confirmed that this was the case in the original movie...so the 'warning' signal might have been set off ELSEWHERE inside the 'Derelict' spacecraft instead...or even somewhere NEARBY it... ...so instead of being the piece of technology that transmitted an ongoing 'warning' signal, the 'seat structure' could have just been a 'pilot-seat' incorporating a 'gun-emplacement', as there may be a section that opens above it that we never saw onscreen...[/i] [i]Secondly, although Ripley eventually deciphered the 'distress' signal as being a 'warning' signal (just as 'The Company' did before her), I'm hoping that the new movie doesn't show it as being a 'warning' signal sent by a 'Human' inside that 'Spacejockey's spacesuit using 'alien-esque' technology to send a 'warning' to other Humans... ...but instead hope that it does indeed show the 'warning' signal as being sent by an alien-looking 'Spacejockey' from that 'seat structure' to warn other members of it's OWN race to beware...or alternatively, hope it shows an alien-looking 'pilot'/'gunner'-type 'Spacejockey's last position before it was attacked from within...[/i]

i think the key is about the "trasmission " ...was a warning that sounded like "stay away !! dangerous things aboard !!" ...or a menace ( like its in some european translations ) " we come to destroy your world !! you are doomed !!" ...or a simple SOS " dudes ive crashed ... send help ive some pain in the stomach " ... the tone of the trasmissione would give us a key to understand the behaviour of the space jockeys race

Maybe the sj's are good guys but we piss them off enough to turn evil.

Y'know, one of the things that still niggles me (there's a few!) about Sir Ridley's 'Director's Cut' of ALIENS...is the fact he changed the very creepy-sounding 'warning' signal sound effect heard on the original deleted scene to the current non-creepy sound when he incorporated the scene... I remember thinking the original sound was truly scary. Too bad he changed it. Just another thought - [i]why was there a big hole nearby the 'Spacejockey' I wonder? The one 'Kane' was lowered down through...[/i]

ShadowCaster I have it in PDF. It is the very first draft he did of it and which got leaked online about a YEAR ago. send me an email to this address with the email address you want me to send it to. spartacus1962@gmail.com

Casavantes wrote: "Just another thought - why was there a big hole nearby the 'Spacejockey' I wonder? The one 'Kane' was lowered down through..." I always thought because whatever thing/thing{s} burst out of the Jockey, burnt it's/their way down into the Hull so the Queen could come lay her eggs. The whole was made by one or more face Huggers who had burst out from the Jockey!!!

I sent it Shadowcaster, Let me know if you have any trouble at all with it. Regards, Sparty@ThePrometheusParty

Spartacus, a Chestburster would have burst from the SJ, not a facehugger. Furthermore the HOLE was either made by the facehugger on the way up (doubtful as it would have alerted the SJ) or the Chestburster/Alien on the way down. Either way we will most likely see this in the end of Prometheus.

your right, that's what I meant, My Bad. It is clearly a hole made from the acid for blood theory by whatever creature{s} came out of the Jockey!!!

No Prob, That said I'm a little confused that no-one has commented on the post I made earlier in this thread, which with a little thought into how the alien propogates makes a whole lot of sense. BTW, can everyone stop refering to SJ's as "Growers", that is the worst sci-fi name I have ever heard. Whats next refering to the alien as "Planters", come on!

Thanks folks, for all your thoughts on this matter, which were enlightening. Still...I'm interested in hearing more theories. I believe Ridley said something about that space jockey's back-story being very relevant to Prometheus.

My bad, that is/was their original name..."Growers", because that is what they do, Harvest planets and it is the name given to them bvy their creator John Spaihts. now they are called... ..."Engineers"... I apologize for that. That's what I will use from now on.

Sorry to correct you yet again but the Space Jockey/Pilot was created by H. R. Giger for Alien in 1979, any elaboration of their story and background, although non-canonical was featured in the Dark Horse comics during the eighties and the nineties. John Spaihts only contribution, if any, was that he was the original screenplay writer for Prometheus, he is in no way responsible for creating the Space Jockey/Pilot, therefore his reference towards them as "Growers" should be omitted from memory.

and we still dont know if they harvest planets or not ....

Exactly, we can only assume as much from the comments made by Ridley in the commentary for Alien, and the extended universe seen in the comics and video games.

i dont think Ridley care of that extended universe ( movies , comics or video games ... ) ...i dont say this to go against you , but its what i feel liestening and reading what Scott said in all this years . Prometheus , i think , will be made to create the Original intended Universe of Alien ..an Universe in which even Alien ( but not all the sequels ) will find his place ..its like like Ridley want to get back his own creature and cut the ties with all the rest .

Totally agree Frantz, Alien (1979) IS the original universe and everything after is just a bad dream of ineffective storytelling. Trust in Ridley