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Man these ate stupid cliches. Rs should have courage to not lead these into the original and make David wipe out all life in the galaxy so that he would be alone forever. Or even better to beheaded and to spend his restvof immortality as such.

Have him killed by the son of God, the Ultramorph. 

Timmy the ultramorph - The nurse in Aliens played by Alibe Parsons. 

Two. 

Hollywood is guilty of whitewashing, and the next ALIEN film (if it happens) with 2,000 colonists should be extensively diverse. 

dp sorry

SJ is a possibility. Given the fact that those eggs are bio-mech 1979 Alien. So the eggs have not yet arrived on LV426.

It is not my dream scenario but better than they lose continuity and put another race in the seat or Engineer without them prior getting the eggs.

Anyways, David. i want him to die. i do not want him to be MU TH UR or Ash. I would like to see his own creation kill him. That is my most favoured too i think.

Walter still has some story in him for me. i would even have walter do it. or an engineer so long as he is dead and gone i happy.

I agree about being destroyed by his creation. I would add that he both understands this irony and fears dying just before he checks out.

Same. I have the Anthology and Prometheus/ AC on BR. Too bad they won't sell the box so we can put the discs in it.

Soon enough the seven disc box will be out with Awakening and a neomorph added to the picture.

I already own the first 4 alien films and their special editions so it would be a little bit of a waste of money for me. dont have any of the prequels so I hope there will be a box set just for prometheous, covenant and awakening eventually.

Barf The Mog aliens had one black actor in it briefly. that is all. 

vasquese was played by an american actor not a hispanic one so really the only diversity was the one or two scenes with the black captain.

alien 3 on the other hand had a black man being one of the main charectors and a central part to the story.

Ati - 

The sacrificial engineer kind of nails it. There is without question some relevance to his demise and the Planet 4 event.

That is real evidence for me after looking through it. awesome

avp is in no way part of alien cannon but it is cannon with the predator universe. the predator universe has xenomorphs with a completlely different origin, but the alien universe has no predators of any kind.

(Perez stairs in disbelief, partly out of what Wren is saying and also partly out of the consequences that could come from this "benefit")

Benefit... (says Prerez mockingly) 

David.

Who else is going to carry the narrative? 

Shaw "I'd like to sit down with the Engineers and have a lengthy discussion, maybe share some thoughts on religion and their ancient pottery..."

Tennessee "I'd like to have a beer with them Engineers and discuss some cool stuff...maybe find me a new wife.."

Daniels "I really just want to build my cabin...in memory of my dead husband"

David "I want to kill the Engineers and every human I encounter...create something horrific"

@daliens

You are right, those are great scenes! Very well acted and directed!

@MonsterZero

Good picks as well! "title of the movie forms devil horns around David's head!"

Wow, that's amazing!

@drucea

Good observation! ...Maybe his corpse was desiccated before vivisection or maybe the reduced brain mass is an effect of the pathogen?

I do agree with Barf The Mog that more diversity is needed. In theory, Covenant had a bit with Carmen Ejogo, Jussie Smollet, Uli Latukefu, and Demian Bichir, (and maybe Callie Hernandez because she is Mexican-American), but only one of them were anything more than supporting/background characters. Aliens is also guilty of that, but I think the characters there were done well enough to where everyone (until half of them die lol) is pretty 3-dimensional (or close to it.) 

I am guessing that if and when Awakening and the other possible sequel arrive, there will be more characters introduced, including a main character or two, at some point and AT LEAST one should be a non-white, female actor.

Still though, I think David should be treated as the clear cut main character at this point. Some Prometheus and/or David haters were mad that a lot of Covenant was dedicated to him and so I found it funny that he wasn't in trailers and was supposed to be a twist/surprise reveal of sorts. 

Nonetheless, David is the main character for sure now. Daniels or Tennessee (or someone new as I said) will be the audiences emotional connection, but the villian of these prequels is the main character. 

Not a popular post. :D

sherris - Thank you very much, I agree with you, the chart above can explain everything in my opinion.

Sacrifice Engineer:

Lv-223 Engineers: there are holes everywhere on their bodies, arms, legs, head, etc.

The exploding Engineer head:

Planet 4 Engineers:

More or less, we see the same process...

Ati -

This, for me, is without doubt the theory  that i am most happy about.

i tried for some time to make sense of it all. what is relevant ? what about this/that etc..

it ticks all the boxes for me. based on the evidence at hand that we have. perhaps someone will find a personal flaw but i am well happy with it.

it has all the answers and has enough to debate any area of the theory/evidence

great post Ati !!

 Any thoughts?

The above first two are not unused.

some awesome pics guys.

was a pleasure to see and to remember just how awesome the beast is !!

sherris - Only the summary chart was created by me, the text was edited from the source site.

ALIEN: Awakening - not confirmed and probably not going to happen for a while, if it even does. 

However, for the sake of fantasy, the lead character role should be a non-white female robot. 

20th FOX and the next director need to cast Asian actors, Latino, Native American, Black, Isreali, Iranian, Transgender, everyone really. 

How did Alien 3 get away with one African American actor and one Asian (toward the end)?

Aliens seemed to have the most diverse cast out of all of the films. 

Ridley whitewashed the heck out of Exodus, and I strongly feel that he needs to be fired from the ALIEN prequel project. 

sherris - Thanks!

I think it's a remarkable summary which explains every event in Prometheus and Alien Covenant:

Pathogen ---> Host ---> Death

Pathogen ---> Host ---> Mutation

Pathogen ---> Host ---> Hybridized creatures are produced (trilobites, insect-like motes, parasites) ---> Host again ---> Xenomorph-like hybridized creatures are produced (deacon, neomorph)

'the "one goo" which this also supports i guess' -- Yes!

'this is due to the amount ingested' - Yes, but we should take into consideration the DNA Reflex thing mentioned in the text.

'so humans suffering the same rain down of the pathogen would produce different effects on humans ????' - Probably yes, but I'm sure sudden death is obvious and some kind of parasite will occur but we don't know this situation since the movies haven't shown that possibility yet, and again the DNA Reflex can be a significant factor...

great content. i am a fan of the "one goo" which this also supports i guess ?

The only issue is that the engineers are the only ones who have these parasites coming out of their bodies instantly almost and are you saying this is due to the amount ingested ? 

i think it is a stretch to think that the result is closely linked to the engineer death and deacon entrance ? 

are you saying the engineers died in that way as that is how the pathogen destroys that particular life form ? so humans suffering the same rain down of the pathogen would produce different effects on humans ????

I got to be honest here...we may be too spoiled with sci-fi films in 2017. The trailer is mind-blowing. Thank you Timmy the ultramorph.

Yes jdvyne, I know. I thought it was epic.

From this, we have revealed:

Engineers can procreate

David 8 had Engineer children to work with

David 8 was developing internal ribbing in his organism 

David 8 was incorporating biomechanical into his development with the help of the Engineer anatomy.

The drawing is included in the Blue-Ray. As well as the drawing below that describes neomorphs communicating with a hive mind.

VivisectedEngineer

"Can I ask which specific scenes you enjoy watching?"

Any scene with Walter!

The opening scene with David and Peter and the moment the title of the movie forms devil horns around David's head! Amazing to watch, pure genius!

Shaw showing up as a ghost image in the reflection on Tennessee's space suit. Look for it.

David bombing the Engineers....I've watched this a hundred times.

Crane versus the Xeno. hundred times at least!

Probably watch about a half hour of the movie. Digest it...then later in the day do it again.

Prometheus I do the same.

I say yes AVP is retconned out. Besides the AVP movies didn't make a lot of sense anyway, I'm mean Resurrection Xenos before Resurrection Xenos existed. Sure one could say Convergent Evolution but the Xenos depicted in AVP were too similar to the Alien Resurrection Xenos to be labeled as Convergent evolution. The Black Goo I believe is an Engineer creation unless stated otherwise. 

Also, I think any Xenos directly derived from the black goo would look more like a Deacon more than a Classical, Warrior, Runner, Resurrection Xenomorph.

Prometheus was Cameron's idea in early 2000s. So Cameron's involvment in Alien saga goes deeper than Aliens. Is that his way of telling Scott I wanna help you out here? 

Michelle

I suppose you can call dramatic works (3 films e.g.) which in some way are connected a trilogy (even if there are new characters, the problem which craves a solution is the same)? If you stretch a story over many generations it makes a greater impact, I think. In the alien saga, it’s 28 years but the story begins thousands (or millions) of years earlier with the engineers, and before them . . . It would be interesting to go further back in time to get some more clues about the beginning of it all . . .

I remember seeing Chiefs (long ago) where you get to follow three chiefs of police (replacing each other over a period of 30 or 40 years) trying to solve a problem of missing boys (a serial killer), which was captivating (finally for the crook too :) ). LOTR is a small story within a much greater context stretching over thousands of years (three eras). The story is narrated (written down) first by Bilbo, then Frodo and finally Sam (Red Book of Westmarch).

But if we go with your idea, Michelle, of a tear drop ship majestically emerging at the end and grabs the players by the ear, what would that solve? Who created them and why did they create the engineers (if they did)? It would go on ad infinitum. In what way is it audacious to say that there aren’t any definite answers to be found (agnosticism) and that the ultimate questions are up to each and everyone’s beliefs? I think it’s a humble position?

If Scott settles with a trilogy, it would be enough I think (giving some kind of conclusion, and perhaps also connect it to Bladerunner - making it an even vaster epos?). Then we can move forward again with the story - Blomkamp and Alien 5.

CGI is great where it's needed, but there are multiple problems in AC:

First when they land on the planet, Aliens are jumping around like some crazy monkeys. Movements are too fast and random, extremely unrealistic. Then there was a creature that had no eyes, I mean dinosours looked more convinving in 1993 Jurassic park. I get it that nobody does costumes anymore, but special effects in original Alien took time and creativity, like animal organs, thats why they looked so terrifying vs rendered graphics. Oh and where are air detectors? That was so cool to watch this little dots on the screen closing up on its prey, real suspense!!! 

I am watching it again tonight, it doe's make more sense after a few views and where ridley's taking the story.

Wren - Im guessing, but......collective memory. passed down generationally, at a genetic level, by the aliens. Almost like a highly evolved form of instinct. An       unexpected     benefit of the crossing..... 

Perez-Wait!It has memories!Why does it have memories!

I don't know how to reply directly yet so... Top guy, I always have viewed them as separate but hypothetically they could have been in the same timeline up till A:C. Now they just can't work. I enjoy them all for what they are though. Second guy, if they exisited before the events of A:C I don't think we would have had the xenoctopus mural in Prometheus. I do however see your point.

Great movies stand being watched many times, with new things to be found on each viewing. I saw Covenant many times at the cinema. The hangar scene near the end was a little hectic, so I was glad I knew what was coming on the second viewing.