Comments (Page 62)

There is some Confusion as to WHAT the Beluga-Morph was, some Interpret as what the Holloway Chest Buster was from the Earlier Drafts, some being some of the Baby-Head Designs of Fifield and some Count it as the Organism that was Removed from Watts (Shaw) and so there was a Number of Designs for Various Morphs for the First Prequel that were NEVER USED.

Holloways is Described as being White/Pale, Gelatinous, Boneless and Able to Move through Spaces like a Octopus can, but Latter it is Described as Standing Up having a Elongated Dolphin like Head, with some Fleshy Skull beneath that Resembles Holloway.

Watts however gives Birth to something that Described as more Armored, the Concept work for this MORPH does indeed look a LOT like the Neomorph. The Ultramorph is also Described as Armored just LARGER and some Concepts for this are the same as Dr Watts birthed BEAST just LARGER. (looks similar to the Neomorph).

So as i have Mentioned we have seen Various kind of the Beluga Design... the Neomorph looks Very Similar to some, and so i ASSUME that you want to see something Different and so the BABY-HEAD Design?

Which was ONE of the Designs for Fifield of which there was Many....

Looking at the Concept Work and some Information from the Earlier Drafts and looking at the Concept Work for some Earlier Work for Alien Covenant, they BOTH to seem to PAINT a similar Transformation of a Engineer who is Infected with the Black Goo.  Which is the SAME kind of Transformation we see for Fifield (however Fifield we have Multiple Different Concepts/Ideas).

I think the Baby-Head would be Interesting to see, say if a Pregnant Female Human (say 12 weeks) was Infected and then we see the Baby-Head Belly Burst Out!

Also, the engineers have had a role in the rpg from the start. The game has kept them active and present but mysterious and aloof.

There will be a short cinematic scenario written by canon guru Andrew Gaska in both Inferno's Fall and Colony War. It is part of an effort to keep the lore between the movies, novels, and rpg together. I've mentioned the RPG here several times, but it bears saying again: it is fantastic and ties all of the various aspects of the alien/s franchise together in a cohesive way. Its sad that there has never, to my knowledge, been an article here about it.

I would like to see a canon Beluga xenomorph too, they maybe be similar to a neomorphs in design but the belugamorph is a different creature

I would like to see different variants like the neomorph but I imagine they'll play it safe with the standard XX121. I personally would love to see the Belugamorph canonized. I know the the neomorph is basically the same thing but I can't help it.

YOU NEED TO WATCH THIS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W-FZoZvm8o

That reminds me there is a new ALIEN novel called Colony Wars which ties into the ALIEN RPG's canon

I would like to see more variants of the vanillamorph, having xenomorph bursting from non-humans is always a fun concept to me. Think of the variations

I would like to ADD some Context to the Past/Future....

The Vanilla-Variant i refer to as Originating from LV-426 (assumes in Context with the Prequels that Davids Xenomorph gets to LV-426).   And so YEAH the Aesthetic of THESE are Similar......

so by FUTURE i am looking at Encounters that Happen say after 2180 (or after 2122 but FAR FAR away).  Would such Encounters give us our Traditional Looking Xenomorph?

*Could they have Evolved on some World to be Different?

*Could we see them Experimented on to Produce something Different?

*Or should the Xenomorph remain as we have seen in the ALIEN Franchise?

By looking at the Past.... i am talking about Prior to 2122....

*Are the Xenomorphs we have seen in the Franchise found ONLY on LV-426 and so they will all Appear Similar?

*Had something Evolved or been Experimented on to become our Xenomorphs and THIS Organism they Originated from SHOULD it look Similar or Different?

*Was the Derelict the ONLY Ship that had those Eggs and would ANY that are on other SHIPS be Similar or Different?

Again this is WITHOUT looking at LV-223 and the Black Goo as these are Avenues to Many Variations of MONSTER...

And so WHAT i was asking is that say IF we have the New Movie, then should its Sequels also ALL stick to the Vanilla-Variant?  And IF we have the New TV Series then should Season 2, Season 3 etc all STICK to the Variant we are USED too?

It would seem they (those working on a Prometheus Sequel) had Envisioned a Direct Contact with the Black Goo would have Produced something thats like a Cross Between the Deacon and Neomorph.

It would be Interesting to see the Engineers the RISK with them as ALWAYS is IF you Consider such Stories as Canon... is WHY is the Earth still FULL of Humans?

I think its ODD that the Neomorphs are the same as on Planet 4, the WAY i looked at them was we see in Damp Environments we have MOLD/SPORES that have Grown and the GOO has Infected these Organisms to become a METHOD to Procreate a Hybrid Life-form.

If the Black Goo goes and Infects some MOLD/SPORES etc on another World then the RESULT would be similar i would say.

However IF the Goo infects a Organism Directly would it LOOK like the Neomorph or be a Little Different?

We only have to look at Fifield...... but other Concept Work and Ideas had him become something that was maybe more Similar to the Neomorph.  Indeed looking at Concepts from 2014 then the OUTCOME is similar to the Neomorph too, but then THIS is NOT what we saw with the Engineers on Planet 4 but i guess thats for a Different Topic.

I think that yeah for some the Engineers were NOT that ALIEN looking but they looked that WAY to FIT with the Ancient Astronaut Plot.... i mean they could all have Ended Up looking like Greek Gods or how Christianity Depicts God in some Works and so we have 10ft Tall Santaclauses ;)

The reason i mention the Engineers in this TOPIC was purely that IF we go for them being a Race who Created Horrors like we see with the Black Goo, then WHO KNOWS as to HOW-MANY kind of Horror was Created/Experimented on LV-223.

It seems like there was 5 Temple Complexes and inside Each there was more than the ONE BIG ROOM like the Big Head/Mural Room... would EVERY such Room in EVERY of those Complexes all ONLY have the ONE TYPE of Black Goo?

And then the Substance can Create Variants/Hybrids depending on WHAT LIFE it would Infect.... so the SCOPE for Various kinds of SPACE NASTIES is Huge.

Ah! I see what you mean (Different Kind of Chest Buster and NOT the actual Method of where/how they Burst from).  In this case then YES the BODYBURSTER is kind of like the Host having its DNA changed like say the Worms had became the Hammerpedes and like HOW we had FIFIELD in other Concepts.

So seeing a Host become Infected and Mutate from inside into something NEW and seeing their Skin Break and Tear Off as the Hosts Bone Structure etc is Mutated into a HORROR would be Interesting.... in some of the Ideas i have had for ALIEN Stories i had it where a Host could be Infected in such a way.

And so YES something like the Body Burster would be Interesting to see, i am SURE that MANY of us remember as to how ICONIC the American Werewolf in London Scene (Transformation) was to see a Human become a Xeno-Hybrid and this Hybrid Extend and Tear from Under their Skin would be GREAT ;)

I'm not a comic book guy, but it's good to see that they haven't totally abandoned the Engineers. I'm not sure how much big of a role they will have and or be featured there, but they might use that as a test to see how many that want to see the Engineers in some way. Hopefully enough people will be interested in seeing them.

“If they go with the Engineers as Canon... or even IF they Reboot the Space Jockey but some PARTS of the Plot are the same (Race who Genetically Engineer/Create some Horrific Biological Warfare of which the Xenomorph is just ONE KIND). Then YEAH! that would Work and allow for a ALL MANNER of Horrors...
Or.... what Happens to a Infected World after Hundreds of Years.... do we see some Evolution going on to Create something Different?”

If they go with the Engineers I guess that they must be made more alien than Prometheus did. I don't count Covenant because they were hardly in it. Maybe they could save some of what we saw in Prometheus but come up with something that add to the mystery. One thing is that the more you answer, the more mystery you got to create and it also got to be interesting.

What if it ends with the Engineers dropping a bio-bomb and the last thing you see is a huge explosion or something similar? That would add some mystery and not explain everything, which is needed in a horror-movie.

Download it from an Andorid phone

It worked for me, no virus or similar

1.https://m.apkpure.com/
2.Download

Phone

1.My phone
2.Downloads
3.Install
4.Open

search for apps & games

Podcast downloader

Use for example podcast player - open

Search podcasts

The hive mind a xenomorphing podcast

There it is

Download button

Well the two bursters types I mentioned are in the ALIEN RPG, the bodyburster is a xenomorph offshoot. Since it infects a human host with spores rather than a facehugger similiar to a neomorph however, instead of a chestburster, the host transforms into a xenomorph by shedding its skin.

The Goreburster is the original bodyburster first introduced by Dark Horse Comics. Basically they are gigantic black chestburster that never matures into its adult form.

Both variants belong to the Xenomorph XX121 offshoot; Xenomorph XX121AB

"Do you think that any of the directors besides Cameron even watched an ALIEN film?"

Thats a Interesting Point......  throughout the Franchise and Including Books, Games and Comics the Creators/Teams who WORK on them.... sometimes DO-NOT have as IN-DEPTH knowledge or Experience of the Franchise.

A Good Example is John Spaights.... when he worked on what would become Prometheus, it seemed that HE was NOT like 100% Familiar with the Canon and Time-Line with Regards to some Aspects.

I Doubt he was the First to do this and he Wont be the Last.  so its a Question of HOW MUCH do those working on the TV Show and New Movie know about the Franchise in Depth?  How Often have they seen the Movies etc?

“Ridley Scott is a producer on both projects.”

As long as he isn't allowed to affect the story it'll be fine.

“We also know the show will not be connected to Ripley or anyone from the Alien movies.”

Thanks for that, try new  characters and characters that don't remind us that much about those that came before (Daniels as a version of Ripley for example).

“We do also know the TV series will further explore the relationship between Androids and Human beings.”

Oh F, I hope that it'll be limited, not interested in another Covenant.

RBW?  No thanks, I'm not interested in a story about androids. I would say keep this as an alternate thing, kind of like the AVP’s. Good to see that things are moving in the alien-universe

"I like to think about the Engineers and what kind of monsters that they might have discovered and developed"

If they go with the Engineers as Canon... or even IF they Reboot the Space Jockey but some PARTS of the Plot are the same (Race who Genetically Engineer/Create some Horrific Biological Warfare of which the Xenomorph is just ONE KIND).  Then YEAH! that would Work and allow for a ALL MANNER of Horrors...

Or.... what Happens to a Infected World after Hundreds of Years.... do we see some Evolution going on to Create something Different?

Hopefully none of the old characters will be in it, or be tied to it. No Ripley, no Amanda or her cousins, no Shaw, and no Daniels. When you get away from old characters it seems that you open it up for new possibilities, you don't need to be like “oh this must be connected to X so we must do this and that”. As far as the planets are concerned, like BD mentioned, you can make new ones. It's not the worlds that have been the problem.

Those colors remind me of avocado :D I would like to see new variations of it, some of them that might look very different. I like to think about the Engineers and what kind of monsters that they might have discovered and developed. Having more of the same Xenos would feel like a repetition.

I think it would be Interesting to see Different ways to Exit a Body... i always FELT that ALIEN 3 would have been Better if NEWT was to be the ONE who Chest Busted, that would have been more Shocking..... as i dont think the GORE alone seems to do anything as we are USED to it Now...

Seeing a Female with her Fetus/Child becoming Mutated and Belly Bursting could be Horrific but we KIND OF saw that with the Pred-Alien from AVPR.

We have kind of Seen them ALL.... a Head Buster we have NOT (Hallet was a Mouth Buster). And we have NOT seen the ASS-BUSTER!

My Response to the OT....

I dont think Initially its WISE to STEER to FAR from the Aesthetic of the Vanilla-Version if you would... Certainly NOT as Different as the Neomorph and Deacon (never-mind the New Born).  So HOWEVER they make their Initial Xenomorph Discovery should be CLOSE to the Original....

But then maybe in the Latter Stage of the Movie (or Sequel) or Latter Stage of TV Series or Season 2, then YES i would like to see some CHANGES.... be that Experiments on or a Evolution of the Xenomorph.

I Certainly want to see OTHER kinds of Procreation Explored... (EGG MORPH anyone).

I would like to see a bodyburster and a goreburster on screen

Do you think that any of the directors besides Cameron even watched an ALIEN film?

"Xenomorphs without David = no fun"

Well this a Touchy Subject for some ;)

Originally then David was NOT the Creator of the Xenomorph even as of 2014 this was NOT the Case..... but it seemed he WOULD go and Create something!

MISTAKE 1!  Alien Covenant.

Alternatively they should have GONE for a Parallel Sequel.... David is OFF on a Big Adventure with Dr Shaw... but we Do-Not go there.... NOT YET!

We get a Sequel where a Investigative Mission goes to LV-223 in Search of WHAT had Happened to the USCSS Prometheus....... there are at LEAST another 4 Temple Complexes on LV-223.

You have a Movie that is more Action, where we can Uncover more Murals, we can have a Organism or SHOW how we get to ONE that is Similar but Different to our Xenomorph.  Where as we get enough Clues to HOW a Xenomorph could have came to be, and HOW its Connected to LV-223.

We END with LV-223 being DESTROYED... but someone Escapes (or a Probe or some other way to Obtain Information) that Alludes to another Engineer Ship being on LV-426 for Thousands of Years.......   THIS leads to Special Order 937 and Closes the Door to ALIEN.....

David and Dr Shaw are FREE to go off and we could get a STORY that does-not have to have Xenomorphs or Connect to ALIEN........ But what about Fassbender he would NEED to be in the Sequel..... prior to where David goes?

YES there could have been another David Model sent to LV-223!

MISTAKE 2!  Giving Up on Alien Covenant Sequels...

Again this is SIMILAR to the First Idea..... David and the Covenant are OFF to Origae-6.........     The Advent Message to the Company could LEAD them to go to LV-223 and have a PLOT/STORY as i Suggested prior...

OR.... we have a Mission that arrives at Planet 4 where we have Xenomorphs.

Again we have  a more Action Packed Movie..... we see the Engineers Arrive at the END.... (maybe a Human Ship Escapes but there is NO need for Survivors)....

We END with some Engineers with Walter, they seen such Potential in a None-Organic Creation, they are also Impressed with the Xenomorphs (have some Dialog in Engineer with Subtitles).   The Engineers take away Walter and some Eggs..... we see them Loaded onto a Ship...... it leaves...

END CREDITS.... in the Background you show as Credits Roll a Ship heading to what looks like LV-223....   Fade to Black.... as the Credits Roll you show the Ship Landed near the Outposts on LV-223..... Black in/Out to inside a Outpost a Engineer is Experimenting with Walter, and the Eggs....  you then BREAK from Credits..... you have ONE of the Engineers looking at a New Egg.. and they SAY something about Discovery that Perfection Lies Beyond Organic Creation, then another will SAY....  NOW all we have to do is TEST IT.

Credits Continue..... UNTIL they END....

We then get a AFTER CREDITS Scene.... a Engineer (or few) are on some Platform they Observe a Massive Egg Cargo Hold... they Use some Device and a BLUE FIELD covers the Eggs... they walk to a DOOR that OPENS... they Depart the Cargo Hold....   We then Focus on the Egg Hold and....

A EGG OPENS........ the END.

This would Indicate the Engineers would be Impressed with the Xenomorph Created by David but also with the Synthetics.... they would TAKE some Eggs and Walter to LV-223 where they Experiment in using Walter and the Xeno to CREATE a HYBRID a Bio-Mechanical Variant that they MASS PRODUCE and LOAD onto SHIPS.

What we have is the Engineers go and PERFECT the Creation of David, but then we have it that WITHOUT the Engineers Knowledge and Black Goo then David would NOT have Created the Proto-morph and so David becomes the MIDDLE-MAN.

Then SHOULD  they Continue with where David is going then THIS would leave them Freedom to NOT have Xenomorphs or Shoe-Horn into ALIEN.... we could have David Create something ELSE!

So we come down to XENOMORPHS and the ALIEN Franchise....

The STORY kind of Reached its Conclusion with ALIEN 3 (bare with me).

*If there was something to be Salvaged from LV-426 then WHY would they go after Ripley? 

The Answer is having known she is Gestating a Queen they have a 100% Viable Source, where as LV-426 would be a Unknown and Greater Risk.

Ripley goes ahead and Sacrifices herself into the Furnace and THUS the Company has NO Xenomorphs....

We then have 200 Years where the USM Company then Successfully gain a Specimen via Cloning of Ripley.. (A Plot that is NOT Plausible..... NOT how it was Presented).

What we have is a 200 Year Ball Park between Alien 3 and Alien R where we have to Assume....... There was NO other WAY to Obtain a Specimen!

HOWEVER.... this does-not have to be the Case... as LONG as after such a Discovery/Events something HAPPENS to Completely Eradicate..... EVERYTHING so there is NO Specimens.....

So you have the Following OPTIONS... for a MOVIE...

A) LV-426 and the Derelict.... has the Destruction of Hadleys Hope lead to the Derelict and its Cargo being Completely Destroyed?

Maybe some Eggs have Survived but there is some Radiation which means Mutations... the COMPANY could then ATTEMPT to Extract and Obtain a PURE Strain in the Process....... to be FAIR.... this is MAYBE what the Blomkamp Plot could have been about.... but also the RED HARVEST Project?   Who knows?

B) The Facehugger (s) from Fiorina "Fury" 161!

If you can Genetically Obtain Xeno-DNA from Ripley then SURELY you can gain it from a Face-Hugger or at Least some DNA that can be USED to Create something of a Hybrid?

C) Regardless of the Derelict and Eggs Origins.... can we ASSUME that the Derelict was the ONLY such Ship to have such a Cargo?  Did the Space Jockey place ALL THEIR EGGS into ONE BASKET?

And so (C) is the BEST kind of Source to go and MAKE a NEW Movie that does-not Directly Connect or Affect the others....

THIS is without going into the Prequels... as they OFFER a EVEN LARGER Source for more Xenomorphs and the LIKE.

Which when i look back at what i have SAID.... it Puzzles me to the PLOT of the TV Series.... WHY OH WHY! (Time-Line mainly).

REGARDING the Movie as a STAND ALONE...

It depends on HOW it Connects.... the TV Series is a Concern for me UNLESS its a Alternative Take like say how we have the SPIDERMAN Movie Franchise and then the AMAZING SPIDERMAN Movie Franchise.... TWO Alternative Takes....

We have to LOOK at where is the Movie going to be SET and HOW it Connects!

1) Is its going to be ANOTHER Alternative Story? (something Novels and Comics often do).

2) Will it Connect to the TV Series so the TV Series Acts as Direct Canon/Prequel?

3) Will it Connect with the ALIEN Franchise but IGNORE the Prequels?

4) Will it Connect to the WHOLE Franchise which Includes the Prequel?

NOW when i say Connect i mean as in the EVENTS of the above have Occurred.. so for Example... within Context to the MOVIE then the Derelict in ALIEN etc has HAPPENED.... or if does-not Connect maybe then there is NO Direct on LV-426 as we get a Alternative Take?

Time will Tell.....

Now by being NOT Connected to the Previous Movies what this Means at the Minimum is that we will NOT be getting a Continuation of the Ripley Story or Ripley 8 and likely we wont be getting ANYONE who is Connected to her...... And it also means we will NOT be going to where David is OFF to and WHAT he does NEXT.... but likely we WONT go to Planet 4 either.

We SIMPLY cant be sure if other Events are Canon though, for Example the Existence of LV-426, LV-223 and Planet 4 and the Engineers including their History with Mankind etc.

The FRANCHISE had HIT a PICKLE... with Prometheus by Virtue that it WAS NOT going to Directly Answer the Question to HOW/WHERE/WHEN the Eggs got on LV-426 and it NEVER had any Xenomorphs.....

But Prometheus had Expanded the Limited Universe..... it had OPENED the Door to be more than about Xenomorphs... the BIGGEST PROBLEM came when Powers that Be... thought that a SEQUEL would have to GIVE the Xenomorph and Origins etc..... and WELL what a MESS that Followed (The Plot was OK but David could have Created a ULTRAMORPH and not indicated in the Original).  But i dont want this TOPIC to become about that Debate...

My Point here is that the POWERS that BE had Concluded that Fans are MORE Interested in a ALIEN Movie that gets back to WHAT the Franchise was about.... Xenomorphs and so they had to come up with a WAY to Bring them back!

The Problem is they are CLUELESS as to HOW to do this and this Included Neil Blomkamp and Walter Hill/David Giler as the TWO kinds of ALIEN V they had Planned would have the Xenomorph which is FINE... but they also thought you have to have RIPLEY.... NO you Dont!

It's basically the Disney model. Be safe and familiar as possible for maximum profit. Though since it is being sent to Hulu hopefully there's a little more freedom in how they can do it.

Agreed ^ if they have the setting be Earth I'll be extremely disappointed. The series will be set in Earth enough, this movie should introduce us to a new environment, a new planet or space station.

AWESOME news!

New soundtrack...set photos to exited about...then the trailer....tons to look forward too!

Going to be interesting to see who they cast as the lead.

HOPEFULLY it's not on Earth...that would suck.

It is almost finished :D

Awesome, That reminds me to get back into making my 3D comic of the AVPU

Very Nice ;)

Look forwards to seeing your Finished Project

R.I.P Alan

Well we KNOW NOTHING of the Movie YET.... we do KNOW of the TV Series being SET on Earth and Prior to Alien Covenant and so that could be a Conflict with the Franchise as a WHOLE!

Unless as i have said before that the TV Series is a Alternative Universe... like say the 90's Batman vs the Dark Knight Series... and Various Incarnations of Spiderman etc...  Then that would NOT go and Conflict the Franchise too much.

Now would this MOVIE also be another Alternative?  Is this what we are NOW going to see (Alternative Takes) or is the MOVIE going to be Canon/Connected to the TV Show?  Is the MOVIE going to be Canon/Connected to the ALIEN Franchise and/or Prequels?  Or are they ALL going to be Canon?

Only TIME will TELL i suppose.

Regarding the space Jockey its Revelation is just something that Happens with Movie to Movie....

ALIENS.... Darn It!  Space Bugs and Queen...  this is NOT what was Planned Originally!

ALIEN 3.... What!  They Killed all the CAST OFF!

PROMETHEUS..... No Way! is the Engineer the Space Jockey they are WAY too Small!

ALIEN COVENANT.... The Xenomorph is Created by David... thats IT i am DONE!

The Point i am making is with EVERY addition there would ALWAYS be something that Does-Not go and Please every Fans Expectation or Wishes.

However..... YES i think they could have Given us the Space Jockey as another Race who are Connected to the Engineers a say 12 Foot Humanoid..... but ALAS.

Will the New Movie or TV Series go and ATTEMPT to SHOW or even HINT that the Space Jockey is NOT a Engineer?  I doubt it with Ridley Scott connected to the Project (not that thats a BAD thing).

Its a case of TIME will TELL....

I had heard Prior that there was Supposed to be WORK on a MOVIE and NOT a TV SERIES in the Works for a 2022 Release, but with the Pandemic i Guess stuff gets PUSHED BACK... also maybe the STORY back then has been Modified/Re-wrote?

Only that it was NOT a Continuation/Connection to RIPLEY and her Story or the Prequels but something NEW and Different.

Its Good News that we will FINALLY see another Movie but as of NOW we can only GUESS if its SET as CANON or NOT to either the Original Movies or Prequels.

Indeed Jonesy, I always preferred the Jockey being a mysterious alien being - not an Engineer bio-suit. If the Jockey is even still a part of the new storyline, I would be happy with a reinvention of that mystery. I'd be even happier if the Jockey turned out to be a different being the Engineers worshipped - Lord knows there's plenty of examples of how that could tie together in these forums hahaha.

Part of me is rather disappointed though that we won't be getting a proper conclusion to David's story.

sad David's not coming back. 

a new take would be interesting though, and somewhat I prefer the Space Jockey being a mystery forever. But I still want the new film involves the original Alien universe and timeline.