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The RS commentary during the David/Walter fight said that basically here we see Walter die, "or so we think".

After watching David in Prometheus and in Alien: Covenant and after he ran out of specimens to experiment on, why would he stay on Planet 4.  At the end of A:C, he readily snuck his way onto the Covenant.  He left at a moments notice.  Even if he planned on the Covenant mission to intercept his Shaw signal, I don't think he would have an exact time to be ready.  Maybe he got ready to leave a year or two in advance?  He even had little facehuggers in some preserver just like the human embryo's.  I wonder how he made those?  

That preserved facehugger fact leads into another debate.  This debate being, "Why would David have preserved facehuggers unless he knew the Covenant, a ship which has the technology to store preserved embryos, was going to intercept his Shaw signal?"  If you see where I am going, he probably had around a year to prepare at the most.  (I am just going to say it, I think David tampered with the Covenant mission so that he can take control of the ship and the hypersleeping colonists.)

I guess he would stay if he knew the Covenant ship was going to intercept his Shaw signal.  That would give him a reason to wait out being stranded on Planet 4.  Of course, that claim is up for debate in this forum too.  That way he can get those hypersleeping colonists to experiment on.  Then, he has all the specimens he needs.

I guess David could've gotten a ship working, but just chose to wait for the Covenant.

So, if Walter is still alive, which I like to think he is, then all he has to do is learn alien technology.  He's smart like David.

Hmmmm... but there is one different.  One BIG different.

In Prometheus, Holloway wrote a thesis about the Engineers before he ever encounter them.  If I remember right, this thesis contained information on language.  So, correct me if I am wrong, but David knew the language because he read Holloway's thesis and used that language to to get the juggernaut going in Prometheus for Shaw.

So, not only would Walter have to figure out how the alien vessel would work, but he would also have to be able to read the language on the ship.  Maybe there is a school on Planet 4 for the Engineers which teaches language or languages?  Still, in the bombing sequence, all the Engineers looked like adults.  Of course, that scene was  quick one at that!  Also, maybe he can find a juggernaut manual in a library, but then he would have to be able the read the Engineer language.

The biggest problem I see with Walter taking a juggernaut is figuring out how to work one and how to read the language.  David had Holloway's thesis to learn the language.  For Walter, he is basically stuck in France and never even heard of the language they speak and has just found out that they even exist maybe 10 hours after he was left on that planet.  Linguist do say that you can learn a language by immersing yourself in the people of that country.  Still, you need somebody or something to help and Walter has no one to learn from or anything he can read.  There is also still one neomorph running around too.  He could be screwed to be honest.  If that neomorph doesn't find him, the Engineers may.  That's if they return.

Maybe there are a group of Engineers hiding out from David in some bunker that Walter ends up finding?  Still, how would those Engineers be surviving?  I guess they're aliens to us, so who knows what they are capable of. 

We don't know how long David has been on Planet 4, so if he was there for a long time, David would have a good chance of finding those hiding Engineers.  With all of the experiments he showed Oram, he definitely didn't just arrive.

The following is a side discussion that I thought of.  The question is, "Was David leaving Planet 4 in the bombing footage or was he arriving?"  Maybe the Engineers where waving goodbye to David and Shaw?  David could've been stocking up on supplies from them with the Mother Juggernaut before leaving and then he decided to drop the bomb.  David seems like the type that wants to interview before he kills.  So, David studied the Engineers on Planet 4 and Shaw got her answers to why the Engineers wanted to kill the humans.  She would also get the answer to why they didn't.  So, maybe the Engineers where accepting of Shaw and David because they changed there mind on killing them.  LV-223 was a quite place, yet we movie viewers haven't seen much information about it either.  So, the Engineers could've been waving David and Shaw goodbye for their return trip back to Earth when David thought he'd kill them by dropping the goo.  Then, the Mother Juggernaut knocks David's vessel out of the sky and then maroons David on Planet 4.  David did use the word "maroon" in the movie, yet who knows what the truth is with David?

@dk

I guess this opens up a debate

It may be possible for Walter to get a ship going. David became loco with no scheduled updates and was focused on his experiments. Maybe Walter could figure out a way that David missed- and it could be so if Sir Ridley wants it that way.

If David couldn't leave Planet 4 on a juggernaut, then neither can Walter.  Remember, David has been on Planet 4 for some time.  I'm sure he would leave if he could. 
All juggernaut's were apparently shut down by a killswitch once the Engineers on Planet 4 realized what was happening.

This has been discussed in other threads and I am just repeating what I have read multiple times, so in no way am I the best to explain the finer details.

 @milotomi

No, even if AC was Released in 2012 instead of Prometheus, it's still a broken movie. The story telling is subpar, almost every character in this movie is flat and completely expandable. The twist by Ridley to say David created the Xenomorph instead of the engineers is a smack in the face of many as it kills any mythology about the Xenomorph. Not a bio weapon based on a deadly protoform but as a result because an android wanted to play god as he was bored on that planet ?

From all 5 alien franchise movies (avps not considered) AC is the worst for me...sadly.

cuponator3000 I dropped a very quick review on this thread. I figure if it stays on this thread it might be ok- Noomi is a big reason for this forum's presence after all.

I don't recall David's voice being particularly 'distorted'.

Just finished watching it. In my opinion I think this is a well made action film, good pacing, and most of all Noomi Rapace's performance is top notch. It's almost 90% screen time belong to her, she must feel exhausted after filming this movie lol. But she was really really great. I am proud of this actress.

However I feel the storyline is a little bit weak. Maybe I was expecting a deeper exploration of dystopia, multiple identities, sisters relationship, etc. I like the finger cutting scene which is hard to watch but also emotional and powerful. I feel the movie tends to focus too much on the action pace, maybe I was expecting a stronger narrative. 

Overall I enjoy watching this movie. Very amazing cinematography and Noomi Rapace's kick ass performance. I wonder if she got septuple pay. :D

i think that a massive clue was RS stating the Xeno will reform its hands and legs basically repairing.

does this not set up 2 characters to fight -walter vs Xeno good (?) vs evil(!) excitement and small time for act1

either an Engineer drew it or David redrew it. Either way i am happy. the evidence is their to for us to break down and with a little choped audio come to sane conclusion regarding it.

Two points i would like to make: "They thought sacrifice would cleans them of their sins"

what sins? those dipicted are 1 of them?

Also,  of the best of the best engineers  came the chosen one. this enhanced being would break down and give all he is to the planet. he becomes "their ways" he gets etched into mountains of planet 4 he is the best of the best. now a few hundred thousands years later his seed is more sour than ours.  so it must be cleansed. all that he was is over. a new god replaces the old?

wondered if anyone thought of that bit?

Probably a lot of people didn't like it because it is too dark and leaves no room for hope in the end. 

People want to be entertained.

That reminds me of a Radiohead song.

"Fitter Happier"

more productive
comfortable
not drinking too much
regular exercise at the gym (3 days a week)
getting on better with your associate employee contemporaries
at ease
eating well (no more microwave dinners and saturated fats)
a patient better driver
a safer car (baby smiling in back seat)
sleeping well (no bad dreams)
no paranoia
careful to all animals (never washing spiders down the plughole)
keep in contact with old friends (enjoy a drink now and then)
will frequently check credit at (moral) bank (hole in wall)
favours for favours
fond but not in love
charity standing orders
on sundays ring road supermarket
(no killing moths or putting boiling water on the ants)
car wash (also on sundays)
no longer afraid of the dark
or midday shadows
nothing so ridiculously teenage and desperate
nothing so childish
at a better pace
slower and more calculated
no chance of escape
now self-employed
concerned (but powerless)
an empowered and informed member of society (pragmatism not idealism)
will not cry in public
less chance of illness
tires that grip in the wet (shot of baby strapped in back seat)
a good memory
still cries at a good film
still kisses with saliva
no longer empty and frantic
like a cat
tied to a stick
that's driven into
frozen winter shit (the ability to laugh at weakness)
calm
fitter, healthier and more productive
a pig
in a cage
on antibiotics

It was the flute.

After being hit by the rock David's voice was distorted. How did he fix it?

Wasn't that just the flute that David pulled out of Walter, and gave it a bit of shaking off?

Very good write up. I recognised its brilliance the first time I saw it. Likewise Prometheus. I do have this guilty secret though: I am glad these films annoy so many people because it gives me a chance to slip into the guise of David and give their narrow point of view a good rubbishing!

Nice!

Horrific. 

Poor colonists...they need a break.

Watching the Xeno versus the crane in 4K and it's astonishing! Wish that scene was longer.

As I've said before...It's really hard core movie. A lot of characters I liked died and I'm not really happy about that...still gives me nightmares.

It's all darkness and death....perfect H.P Lovecraft cosmic horror.

Hopefully the next one gives a little more light at the end of the tunnel......Not just tentacles!

I think they have to use some kind of slave labor to build their ships and lv223 facilities. My guess their jockey suits are grown or the shell of some engineered creature. Thought Ridley said the ships used magnetic fields but also the exhaust about blows Noomi out of the hangar. Geiger really had a unique mind, so glad he got to share with us.

Well, I won't write a short review because I can't review that movie on the forum... I don't see an option to enter a new title... Whatever :)

dk, I meant Monday :) I am glad you like it as much as you do though! I honestly gasped and almost cried at that one part near the end!! I didn't love the film, but it did manage to keep me interested throughout. I think I'll post a really short review in the scified review section!

As to your mention of movies from Netflix not being worthy of theater release (some of them), I think there is a handful of outstanding movies that debut on netflix or are made by Netflix teams that could do VERY well in theaters, but I think most of the content is not at that level. 

Like, there are a lot of terrible films, a good amount of films that have some great concepts or aspects; but aren't realized very well (which I think "What Happened To Monday?" inhabits), and others that are just lazy or meh. 

I think those tiers are the result of Netflix being a great platform for trying new things. Whether it is new concepts and on-screen stuff, or relatively new filmmakers, there is more risk-taking and it doesn't always work out amazingly. Sometimes, though, I think it becomes a game of quantity over quality because there is a lot of trash on Netflix (not that I could make anything better lol).

Nathan, David did not say the nanoparticles were non organic. I googled nanoparticle and the Wiki just says it means particles of a certain size.

"particles between 1 and 100 nanometres (nm) in size. In nanotechnology, a particle is defined as a small object that behaves as a whole unit with respect to its transport and properties. Particles are further classified according to diameter."

The definition of nanotechnology covers a lot of areas too.

"Nanotechnology as defined by size is naturally very broad, including fields of science as diverse as surface science, organic chemistry, molecular biology, semiconductor physics, microfabrication, molecular engineering, etc."
 
Wouldn't David be talking about the molecular biology and organic chemistry nanotechnology sciences, since that is what he was experimenting with? Those are organic. Here is how Wikipedia describes those.

"Molecular Biology concerns the molecular basis of biological activity between biomolecules in the various systems of a cell, including the interactions between DNA, RNA, and proteins and their biosynthesis, as well as the regulation of these interactions."

"Organic Chemistry is a chemistry subdiscipline involving the scientific study of the structure, properties, and reactions of organic compounds and organic materials, i.e., matter in its various forms that contain carbon atoms."

There is one thing at least I hope people will appreciate more about movie, that is the stunning visuals and designs. 

it does bring into play various potentials and has been good to debate but it still lacks clarity for me. Black Goo, Life, Pathogen,A.I,Lifeform,Glitch... wtf...;)sorry

My original interpretation of the way the Engineer looked at David and that it is of empathy or sympathy towards a FELLOW creation. before the act of ripping his head off. 

basically i thought both were creations. david a synthetic creation of man. The Engineer on 223 an organic creation from The Elders or higher beings.

That was how i saw it.

BTW I think after A:C there is the possibility the Engineers 223 will be genetically enhanced beings possibly chosen ones form Planet 4.

I think the female engineer is having intercourse with that male engineer which may have been attacked by a facehugger. This reminds me of the movie Prometheus where Charlie Holloway was first infected by David & then he had an intercourse with Elizabeth Shaw & the result was a Trilobite. That's why the female engineer is not attacked by any of these creatures in this poster.

Alien covenant is easily my second favorite movie. I hate watching YouTube videos about it because it's just people constantly complaining that a robot created the xeno and that is makes avp non canon. 

bit unrelated, but the title suddenly reminded me of Lambert asking if Brett could still be alive

Plus, in Alien, it's suspicious that Ash is so ready to state the clause in the contract that all Nostromo crew agreed to.  He's says it like he memorized it.  I guess he is a robot though, even though nobody knows it at the time.

I really appreciate the time Im Durp. That also could be the correct answer based on the facts.

It has been about 24 hours since I began this query and I'm not too shocked at the really good answers I received back.

The answer to "What is more rare than capturing a xenomorph in the Alien universe?" is related to a member of the Prometheus crew.

Answer below:

Answer: Capturing an image of Sean Fifield smiling is very rare.

Thank you for your time everyone.

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Someone NOT looking into a mysterious egg that opens up.

Thank you so much IRaptus.

This is also a great answer...a synthetic loyal to humans consistently....a very rare thing but not the answer. Walter at band camp is very funny.

This is also another answer that can arguably be the correct answer because of the facts.

OK, one last, last hint. And thank you again for playing along.

The answer to "What is more rare than capturing a xenomorph in the Alien universe?" has to do with an occupant of the Prometheus, Nostromo, or Sulaco ships.

The topic opening picture does show the answer.

Great thread and great thoughts. Love all this. Good work!

@NassaDane I'm not sure it's a specific line, but it is something that Native Americans have done in order to bond with their particular horse back when they were the true and rightful owners of the lands here in America.

I was curious, the part where David talks about blowing on the nose of a horse, is that a line from Lawrence of Arabia? It's been so long since I've seen that movie but that line sounds like it would have came from it. If not, does anyone know where its from?

I smell spam in here again....

#2 still ain't bad to be holding on. I think this warms Fox's hearts a good deal and gives quite a bit of confidence heading into the next one. I can see where they would want to trim the budget next time round, but "smaller is better" sometimes, especially when it helps think more creatively.

dk price is kind of rip off but I have indulged myself on my birthday.

And it's a real beauty and I prefer the statue like pose instead of the flexible models from neca.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/ol/B01CO5THKW/ref=psdc_olp_2514596011_a0_B01CO5THKW?ie=UTF8&condition=all

red0guy@gmail.com Blasphemer! We play the long game here. Red White and Blue T&A will eventually host a facehugger!

Gotta kid ya a bit- I know facts are facts. TBH, IDC about perceived competition. I just want my movie to earn enough to make a new movie.

At any rate, energy has to somehow be consumed and depending on efficiency, a certain amount is expelled in the form of unusable energy such as exhaust. 

Just watched- HOLY F'in HAPPY SCI FI DANCE!

It's all there- A complete story with no need for a prequel or sequel. Background and character development. Twists and turns. A balance of both thought provoking  concepts and straight up action. There is a reason everything happens without need for trailers. There is an ambiguous question at the end- is the antagonist really wrong? Answer seems obvious but there is enough to ponder. Good nods to movies past such as Matrix, Running Man, Equilibrium and Forum members could probably cite others- but I think it stands on its own.

I have to admit shedding a tear or two at the end.

If you can, spend a couple hours and watch!

4.9/5.0 

Thanks again to joylitt for the early tip and Starlogger for talking me into getting Netflix just to see this exclusive!