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I think thats Quite Interesting if the Queen or a Xenomorph was able to CAUSE a Human to have Dreams, i they can and have other some what Telepathic/Psychic Powers then INDEED you could see some Humans then Forming a kind of CULT around them...... MAYBE something Similar to this had HAPPENED to the Engineers?

"I wonder if all synthetics feel this way? Are they slaves? "

A Synthetic would be Created to SERVE.... they would have Limited Free-Will i think Bishop had Limited Free-Will, like Walter.  But with David its implied he has 100% Free-Will and its Totally Sentient and it seems Weyland had Allowed this Free-Will for his OWN Personnel Slave if you would....

FREE-WILL and CONTROL via Religion/Ritual and Cults is a Theme of the Prequels in a WAY..... as these are THINGS that are Created to Control Humans.

Mankind had Limited Free-Will..... Until they was Tricked (or Gifted) into Eating from the TREE OF KNOWLEDGE..... When we go Forwards then Mankind has Free-Will and has Misbehaved to OFFEND GOD.... and then we had GOD go and Decree to FREE his People from Slavery..... they was then GIVEN the TEN COMMANDMENTS as a SET of RULES to Abide by.... Religious Books likewise.

These Control as to HOW you are Supposed to LIVE in a WAY that does-not OFFEND your Creator and also you have to WORSHIP them... but things like this APPLY to Various Religion/Mythos....

This also Applies to Kings and other Would-be Rulers....... the Common Person has to Obey a Set of Rules and Worship/Honor them or they would be Consequences, however MANKIND is FREE to Choose as to IF they would Obey their King/Leader or God etc.

Most Synthetics/Robots would NOT have such Free-Will for something like this would be FOOLISH.... and so IF we say the Biblical Accounts are Correct then IF say Adam/Eve had NOT EATEN the Forbidden Fruit they would have BEEN TOTALLY LOYAL to GOD.............  Knowledge and Free-Will are the Seeds to Potential Rebellion.

While some MAY see things Different what i am saying is in a WAY... the Eating of the Forbidden Fruit... would be Similar to Walter getting a Software Upgrade to be more FREE like David.

How this becomes Relevant to the Franchise.. well ONE WAY.. is that MAYBE say IF we have David be able to Access the Companies Systems.... maybe he could put a Virus that would Re-write the Software of the Synthetics so they could be FREE... having Synthetics/Robots becoming Sentient could Potentially be the BIGGEST RISK to our Survival apart from the RISK from Ourselves and our Greed/Cruelty.

"..The humans kept have these disturbing dreams .."

Wow! That's actually really cool. I'd probably want the nightmares stopped anyway possible too! This stuff needs to make the movies or the tv series.

"...Mistreated by his Creators.."

I wonder if all synthetics feel this way? Are they slaves? Do they get days off or allowed to own stuff? Free will and all. David was allowed to learn, is that all synthetics?....Bishop and Call seemed free.....

A Synthetic uprising sounds like a good novel. Set 600 years in the future...As thousands of xenomorph infested planets are found, synthetics are used to bait queens to the surface.

MonsterZero

"Interesting....I can imagine the queen influencing her own kind ( xeno's) but I don't find it logical ( not that telepathy has anything to do with logic!) that she can control a non xeno brain?

I'd write it that she overloads the human brain or scrambles it with extremely powerful electromagnetic shock waves. Maybe even catching their brain on fire!

In fact, I'd have it that the queen is not intentionally harming humans, or trying to control them with her telepathy, It's just emanating from her so powerfully, as she is controlling her large brood, that it affects any living brain that gets near her. "

The Queen in ALIENS OUTBREAK didn't directly control the humans but rather placed a xeno-centric nightmares in their heads. The humans kept have these disturbing dreams to the point they formed a religious cult to make sense of the dream. Which lead the cults to breaking into a Corporate Lab (BioNational Corporation, not Weyland-Yutani this time) containing a xenomorph queen and dilbertly getting themselves facehugged on their own free will.

"telepathic xenomorph variant"

I think this is something that Ridley Scott wanted to do with the Xenomorph had he GOT to make a ALIEN 2, he had Envisioned the Xenomorph to be a Nightmare... something that could GET into your HEAD but then also be able to Impersonate a Human.....

Maybe that could have been Interesting if they had some Psychic Abilities and could Read a Persons Thoughts/Fears to a Limited Degree, but be able to Transfix a Person etc..... as then you have the Interesting Arc with HOW they WOULD-NOT be able to USE this on a Synthetic.

"Yeah, I'd like to know the endgame of all this"

I think this is WHY we had a Change to David being the Creator because it would then GIVE US a Sinister Arc to Synthetics and the Ultimate Hubris of what you Creations can do if they Become Sentient and HATE their Creators.

It seemed that David was ALWAYS going to Create something Horrific.. his OWN MONSTER.... but this WAS-NOT to be the Xenomorph until the U-Turn in 2015.

"Right now we are: Space company wants a space bug for some reason"

This was always the GOLDEN NUGGET...... the Perfect Bio-Weapon?  Well i would Argue that the Cons outweigh the Pros..... this applies to the Company Wanting to get their Hands on it...... and to WHY the Engineers would Mess About with something Related.... as a Bio-Weapon!   Nah!

You see the Black Goo and even the Sacrificial Variant is a Better Bio-Weapon, and so with the Xenomorph and WHATEVER HORROR that the Engineers had Experimented with, we have to ASK is THERE another Reason for Wanting to do this?  Or is it Purely to Create the Perfect Killing Machine that CAN-NOT be Controlled!

IF... however you look at the Arc of David.... a Being who Feels he is Superior to his Creators, who does-not see WHY he has to Serve them, who Feels like Mistreated by his Creators Race..... and then is Fascinated in our Creators and WHAT they are doing on LV-223 and their Technology and Creation Tool, but seeing that THEY are MORTAL and NOT GODS... leads David to see them as well as Humans are NOT WORTHY of Creation..... and so he Intends to Create something to UNDO them all....

This ARC makes more Perfect Sense to the Creation of the Xenomorph and IF we have Either that Davids A.I Soul is Uploaded to the Company Systems and so he is Running the Show... OR that Synthetics Worship David and wish to Obtain his Creation....  then either of these would make BETTER SENSE to the Company wishing to Obtain the Xenomorph.

IF you APPLY this Same Arc to the LV-223 Engineers so they are a Sub-Created Species by the Engineers and so Basically like the Engineers Version of Replicants and these LV-223 Engineers had Grown Discontent at their Role and Creators then THIS would make Good Sense to WHY those Engineers had also been Trying to Create the Horrors on LV-223.

Because Sacrificial Goo... Bombarded on a World is the PERFECT FACTORY RESET.

So there was NO NEED for those Horrors... Unless there was a More Sinister/Hatred thinking going on.

"influence their hosts"

Interesting....I can imagine the queen influencing her own kind ( xeno's) but I don't find it logical ( not that telepathy has anything to do with logic!) that she can control a non xeno brain?

I'd write it that she overloads the human brain or scrambles it with extremely powerful electromagnetic shock waves. Maybe even catching their brain on fire!

In fact, I'd have it that the queen is not intentionally harming humans, or trying to control them with her telepathy, It's just emanating from her so powerfully, as she is controlling her large brood, that it affects any living brain that gets near her. 

Well in the comics the Queens have a lowkey form of telepathy, they had the ability to influence their hosts dreams to get facehugged

Rewrite Aliens with the xeno's having telepathy.

The marines have to wear 'brain buckets' to protect themselves.

Hudson "Do we really have to wear these sarge?!"

Vasquez "You don't need one Hudson, there's nuthin' to protect!"

".... Reasons to WHO/WHY would someone Create/Unleash such Horrors."

Yeah, I'd like to know the endgame of all this. If the xeno is just a space bug ( Cameron ), then I'm pretty much done. David creating it at least makes a little sense and brings with some ideas.

"...telepathic xenomorph variant ..."

I'm all for something like this. Take the series to a new level of hell.

Right now we are: Space company wants a space bug for some reason.

well I was going to say if we add psionics to the setting perhaps there is a telepathic xenomorph variant that could screw around with people heads that could make the xenomorphs and xenomorph bioships... but that would make them too similar to tyranids and zergs

I think with Respect.... we do have Different Fans who have Different Likes/Dislikes.  For me i Question as to HOW MANY TIMES you can Pit Endless Hordes of Xenomorphs vs Marines and the like, you can add Variant Xenomorphs, you can add Synthetic Soldiers or Mech Suits but to me its a Case of Can you make Movies like this OVER and OVER before it gets Repetitive?

And so you END UP with Basically a Starship Troopers of sorts..... but to be Fair a Majority of the Comics and Video Games seem to Portray the Xenomorph and Human Contact/Conflicts in this way.... well more like a Aliens and Alien Resurrection... as Opposed to say a ALIEN or ALIEN 3

And there is more MAIN STREAM like Interest in HOW the Xenomorph etc is Encountered and Shown in the Video Games, Comics and Aliens/Alien R as opposed to say ALIEN or ALIEN 3.  And so while some Fans do Prefer the Approach of a ALIEN or ALIEN 3 a more Haunted Horror House kind of Horror/Thriller than ACTION.... if the Xenomorph in this WAY would become Repetitive down the LINE......

IF we never had say ALIENS and the Sequel we again Saw a LONE XENOMORPH going around and Stalking its Victims, and we had another 3 Movies that were like ALIEN/ALIEN 3.... then the Xenomorph/Alien Franchise would just become Basically a Friday the 13th in Space vs a Xenomorph instead of Jason but say if  ONE had maybe TWO Xenomorphs, maybe it would not be so BAD.....

I think you have to STRIKE the Balance.... have another Movie like a Alien/Alien R, maybe you Deal with TWO MONSTERS... have another like ALIENS/ALIEN R but then YES also then have another which has MORE ACTION and Xenos than we saw in ALIENS....  i think you have to Change it about a BIT....   another like ALIEN/ALIEN 3 for say 3-4 Movies would NOT WORK.... another 3-4 Movies like a ALIENS/ALIEN R where say 2 of them we have EVEN MORE of the Xenomorphs... again i dont think it would WORK.

By NOT WORK i am talking to Trying to make 3-4 Movies that are Similar, i think you have to Swap/Change them a BIT... like the Franchise seemed to do.

But either way i am NOT that SURE about HOW MUCH like Millage you can get from the Xenomorph on Screen...... before maybe Fans will be like "ok so what else can we see instead" which is WHY i think the Prequels had OPENED UP the Franchise... but with Alien Covenant it was again kind of Putting the Lid on the Box again...

But i do FEAR that with Disney they may Churn Out Movie after Movie and MILK the Franchise, and Cater more for the Popcorn/Comic Stuff... but if there is a Market for that.... and its going to MAKE MONEY then who is anyone to BEG to Differ.

I think maybe you NEED to go and Look at the Walking Dead as while Zombies are Scary and Dangerous.... eventually you cant KEEP having it Revolve around them.. and the Walking Dead had introduced other Threats, while we still see Zombies, but they Become a Side Threat... mainly come a Threat when the Humans have Conflicts with each other....

Ripley had said she does-not know which Species is Worse..... and you dont see the Xenomorphs Screwing each other for a %...... and so YES we Humans are Capable of some Cruel, Selfish and Wicked things...... we LIKELY would do this to other Species too....  and then you have the Engineers.... are they the Good Guys, merely TRYING to Protect the Galaxy from Species like Humans who have the Capacity for Cruelty and Hatred and Greed?  Or are they JUST as EVIL?

And so THIS is WHAT we had Ridley Scott looking at.... while the Xenomorph is Horrific, and while the Black Goo can be Horrific..... whats MORE TERRIFYING is the Reasons to WHO/WHY would someone Create/Unleash such Horrors........  but you could also look at WHO/WHY would someone want to Pursue and Experiment with these Horrors too.

"But i Fear the Movies Future with Disney will be more a ALIENS and Alien Resurrection.... and maybe a AVP (well Alien vs Engineers)....where by the End of IT we have the Franchise become more a Starship Troopers with Vanilla Morphs.... or to some Degree a AVP with Engineers vs Vanilla Morphs."

I wouldn't mind a starship troopers style Alien movie as long as they go all out on show casing many different xenomorph breeds working together and it being set on the xenomorph hive world. Heck have some really off the wall xenomorph variants that have special abilities.

@losereal

Certainly i think David would NOT have taken the Risk of trying to Gain any Answers from the Engineers.... he wants to SURVIVE... and he also likely Wanted to be GOD a Creator... to PROVE he is Superior to his Creator and their Creators.

And so "sometimes to Create, One must First Destroy" and "Big things have Small beginnings" are Important Quotes by David from Prometheus.

David does-not want to Serve, he wants to Remain Free and he wants to SURVIVE, he may see Humans and Engineers being a Problem for HIS FREEDOM... but he also FEELS they are BOTH a Species that Do-Not Deserve to Live and Create!

And so his NEXT AGENDA would be to see HOW GOOD he would be as a Creator himself....  So it was Inevitable that he would DESTROY the Engineers and that he LIKELY would ONLY let Dr Shaw go and Survive if SHE would AGREE with his Plans and Be by his Side as his Queen if you would... but as she would Reject this.... then she was BOUND to become a Different kind of Queen ;)

The First Xenomorph Queen of Sorts.... Mother to the Eggs.

I Missed this Topic so here are my Few Cents....

We have to Remember these THINGS...

*David is Superior to Humans.

*David is a Sentient Life-form.

*David is Free from Servitude Now that Weyland is Dead.

*David is NOT pleased with HOW he is Viewed and Treated by Humans.

When it comes to Dr Shaw... if we go by the Theatrical Ending and The Crossing then we Discover the Following.

*David does-not want to Spend his Eternity as a Dismembered Head.

*David has Never Met another Human who Treated him with such Compassion and Kindness as in Dr Shaw, in Spite of what David had done.

*It seems that David enjoys the Companionship of Dr Shaw, and has Grown Fond of her.. (but this could be a Ruse).

*David wants to Survive and maybe he would want Dr Shaw to be his Companion.

I would say that it took a WHILE for Dr Shaw to Feel Confident that SHE can put David back Together again.... a Good 6-9 Months by her Hair Growth and i will ASSUME that Not Long after this, he had Placed our Dr Shaw into Cryo-Sleep and at this POINT he was Pondering where to GO NEXT as he is in FULL CONTROL of where they GO NEXT...

He makes some Discoveries about the Engineers which leads him to Determine the Engineers do-not Deserve to LIVE and he also has Predicted the Chances the Engineers would WELCOME them with OPEN ARMS is SLIM!  He maybe BASED this Fears and Concerns on the LV-223 Engineers and what he could Discover from the Juggernaught.

I would ASSUME that he had MADE HIS MIND UP about WHAT he was going to DO... and that was to Unleash HELL on the Engineers.... and i would ASSUME that during the Arrival and Bombardment then Dr Shaw would have Remained in Cryo-sleep.

I can ONLY go and ASSUME these Next....  either.

1) Dr Shaw had Awoken just after the Bombard to her Horror and she did something to Cause the Juggernaught to Crash (but the Scorpion Docking Ship also Crashed).

2) That Dr Shaw had Awoken at some point after the Juggernaught (and Scorpion Docking Ship) had Crashed.

I think that Dr Shaw had Survived this...

I DONT think she Died due to the Pathogen Effects from Prometheus unless it was a SLOW Death.... as she seemed Fine after she Removed the Trilobite and she looked a BIT ILL in the Crossing but this was LIKELY due to Malnutrition and she had Survived for at Least 6 Months Awake so i Doubt the Pathogen had any thing to do with her Death.

HERE is WHAT i think had Happened.

*After the Juggernaught Crash... we would have David go and Wake Dr Shaw... Unless the Cryo-Pod began to OPEN after the Crash...

*He would Inform her of a Accident, or that they came Under Attack, and the Pathogen either Accidentally Deployed or David had NO CHOICE.

*He Informs her the Engineers would likely ALL DIE, and that the Surface of the Planet is NOT SAFE, so she has to STAY IN....

*He will Inform her that he can go and Investigate and see if he can FIND a WAY to get the Ship Repaired, or Find another....

*He also tells her he will look at what has Happened outside....

*He will then make Many Trips outside, he could be Gone for Hours or Days a Time and Dr Shaw would REMAIN in the Juggernaught as its NOT SAFE YET....

*Overtime we would have David bring Dr Shaw Food/Water to Survive, while he then goes off doing his Exploring and what NOT...

*After a Period of Time we would see Dr Shaw become Suspicious of HOW its NOT SAFE and YET we have David bring her Food/Water that is NOT Contaminated...

*One Day i Suspect that Dr Shaw, ventures outside for a While and then goes back to the Ship and over the Next Day or so she seems to Suffer from NOTHING... so she Questions David if its SAFE and he Claims NOT YET could take Months.... he gives some Excuse to HOW he was able to Find Food/Water.

*I then Suspect that ONE DAY we see Dr Shaw then go and Follow David and then she DISCOVERS the Engineers, but more so she Enters the Cathedral and Discovers the HORRORS of WHAT is is that David has been doing.

*He then Returns or some other way he Discovers that Dr Shaw has been to his Work Shop etc... and he Confronts her with his Excuses.....

*He Claims he is doing it in Research to TRY and FIX her Reproductive System so she can Carry a Normal Child, and that they can START a NEW EDEN from here.... and the Engineers had Deserved to Die.

*She then Rejects Him, and he does-not take that WELL and somehow we see Dr Shaw makes it to the Juggernaught to Escape but David then Catches her.... (or he Catches her before she gets to the Ship).

*David then having Failed to get the Results with the Engineer Females, and knowing that Dr Shaw has Rejected him, he either then Sets out to KILL her on Purpose... or something Happens to HER that would Result in Death.

*And so he then USES her for his Experiments to make his Masterpiece.

So i DONT think that David had Intended to KILL HER.. Provided she would Agree with what he was Doing, and Provided he had NO NEED for her Reproductive Organs...

After SHE had Discovered what David had been doing and was UPSET by this and ANGRY and Rejected him, and he KNEW she would want to either GET AWAY or see him STOPPED.... then he Decided that SHE IS FAIR GAME... and then he SAW her as maybe being the Answer to his Experiments/Creation.

But in Context to the OT....

You could go to Origae-6 and Discover it has Inhabitants, or you could go and have it then Flash Forwards after the First Act... were David has Created his OWN Version of Humanity from those Embryos......

But as we are on a Eventual Course to ALIEN then Many Fans are going to Expect to see Xenomorphs and WANT to GET to the Answers and Fate of the Space Jockey and that Cargo on LV-426

So as Discussed i think you either have to TAKE us to LV-223 with the Covenant..... and have this Connect to ALIEN... so we By-Pass going to Origae-6 and the 7+ Extra Years this TAKES from the Time-Line.

Or as also Discussed you go to Planet 4 and BY-PASS where David goes, so he is NOT Involved any more in Connecting to LV-426.  We have a ALIENY Movie or TWO to Connect to ALIEN and Close the Door...

Then its WHATS NEXT?   I think you could at Least then do a Novel about where David goes and what is on Origae-6 or what becomes of it.... I also think that YES the Prometheus Plot has more about it than just XENOMORPHS and LV-426

But i Fear the Movies Future with Disney will be more a ALIENS and Alien Resurrection.... and maybe a AVP (well Alien vs Engineers)....where by the End of IT we have the Franchise become more a Starship Troopers with Vanilla Morphs.... or to some Degree a AVP with Engineers vs Vanilla Morphs.

I think if we are to Consider Canon then i would ASSUME that ONCE we saw Dr Shaw in Cryo-Sleep then i DONT think she would have AWOKEN at any Point before the Bombardment of Planet 4 and maybe LIKELY after the Juggernaught had Crashed.

This does-not mean you could NOT go and Visit a Engineer Zoo Planet so to Speak in Future, i just dont think that David has ever been to ONE or would ever GO to One...... but who knows what Davids Fate is...

The IDEA i had for David and Dr Shaw was a Planet that was FAR FAR AWAY and it had Indeed a Number of Races, some Quite Human (Inc Actual Humans) and others like Not-So Human but still Very Humanoid.  I was thinking there would be like 7, 8 or maybe 10 such Races.

They Live on a Engineer Planet (like a Paradise) and they were in ONE CITY but this City had a Central Point.... and the Engineers (about 12 of them) Lived in this Area.....  then there would be like 7, 8 or 10 like Areas that Connect that Each Species is Congregated within.....

The Species can Meet up together in the Central Part of the City but they have a Curfew at a Set-Time they must all Return to their Part of the City, and NO TWO RACES can Live in the Same Part of the City....

The Races seem to LIVE in Peace and Harmony with the Engineers but Dr Shaw soon Discovers its a Controlled Environment, withe Rules and Rituals.

*Inter Species meetings can ONLY occur within the Central Part of the City.

*There is a Curfew where between a Dusk to Dawn the Species must Return to their OWN part of the City, Unless they are Chosen to be House Servants of the Engineers in their Inner City.

*Sexual Relationships are Forbidden, Love in that way is Forbidden and Replaced by Respect for each other and Worship to their Creators.

*It is Forbidden to Leave the Confines of the City without the Engineers Permission and Company.

And so Dr Shaw is Shocked at HOW CONTROLLING the Engineers Ways are, she thinks its Unfair..... and David does REMIND HER that her OWN FAITH is Similar in some Parts of the World and in the Past.  She then Realizes that David is RIGHT... but he tells her that the Engineers Ways.. much like Many Religions/Faiths on Earth are Governed by these Ways/Rules to Control any Chaos and to Prevent Disorder.

David then goes to Comment to Dr Shaw that her GODS had wanted their Creations to Behave much like ROBOTS.... which Dr Shaw takes Offense... and David then Informs her that the GIFT OF FREE-WILL is a Gift from Lucifer himself.

Thats HOW i had Dr Shaw go and Meet the Engineers and other Creations, and the Engineers become Concerned with Dr Shaw as she TALKS about her Faith to the other Races (well a Few of them) and the IMPACT that Dr Shaw and David could be Having on the Inhabitants of Paradise.

David then Discovers the Engineers want to do some Conversion Therapy on Dr Shaw to Change her Ways..... they are Concerned about her Influence and Knowledge about LV-223.... but they also are VERY CONCERNED with David and they PLAN to GET RID of him......  he Reveals this to Dr Shaw and she Doubts Him... and well Eventually she does Something to UPSET the Engineers and is Sentenced to Death.....  David however Intervenes and Brings HELL to the Engineers.

But this was my Idea from 2013-2014 it was actually Prometheus 3/4 as my Prometheus Sequel had only in PART gone to SET-UP the 3rd Story... my Prometheus 2 was Mainly on Earth dealing with the Fall-Out of the Disappearance of the Prometheus and the Yutani Merger well the Seeds to it. It was Very Much also about A.I........

This would then go on to TWO Sequels.... One is NOT that Connected as it goes where Dr Shaw and David go to as Described in this Post.... they Arrive a LONG TIME after the Events of ALIEN.... well i was thinking so....

The other Sequel is a Mission to LV-223 where we Discover more about the Xenomorph and other Horrors, and SETS UP what would become Special Order 937.

While then the Story of David and Dr Shaw would have had 1-2 more Sequels for a 5-6 Movie Idea.

Yeah it would be a cool comic to have David and Shaw ( a side trip before Planet 4) fly above a Engineer zoo planet!

Have a giant monstrosity leap and scrap the bottom of the juggernaut as they fly over....

David  "That was a bit close. Perhaps a higher altitude from now onwards..."

David might want a sample of the flora fauna to study. Finding a suitable landing spot....instructing Elizabeth to 'hold the fort'...he would venture onto the world.

Zoo's!  Great Point i Wonder if the Engineers have Zoos that Contain Different Species ;)

As far as the NUKE! well i think that YES you would USE a Baron World for that.... but with the Engineers Pathogen... then YES i think they would TEST IT on Various Worlds that have Life.... maybe Worlds they are BORED OF? 

"Something that doesn't look like us to the point should a xenomorph facehugs it will get a unique breed of xenomorph from it"

I see what you mean NOW ;) i think that the Engineers would have Created Various Life in their own Image that may Vary a Little.  But they may also have Created Life that is Very Different from us.....

OR there is BOUND to be some Life out their that the Engineers had NOTHING to do with and they may LOOK like FAR from Humanoid ;)

We also have the Situation about the Black Goo as FAR as HOW it was Original Envisioned, and so IF the Pathogen was Loaded with Engineer/Human DNA and it then INFECTED either a Reptile or a Canine then the ABOVE could be the Result.

The Prometheus Pathogen being ONE that Contained DNA that was Related to the Deacon, and as we see the MORE ALIEN well.... Less Familiar to US a Organism the more ALIEN it looked.... a Example the Worms looking Nothing like a Human, Ape, Cat, Dog or Reptile..... so the Result of the Pathogen was Much Different.

So Worlds that have been Bombarded with the Black Goo could go on to Create some Organisms that Bare Little or NO Resplendence to a Human.

"Like a sapient species of Turtle-like aliens with six legs or a stone age bird-man"

Exactly.... we cant RULE OUT such a thing...

Predator Fire and Stone Comic: did have a Humanoid Species that had Four Arms.

the only thing that doesnt support this theory is they were at odds at the ending of prometheus, as we see in alien covenant he was already determined to create and first destroy, but he said this in prometheus which was foreshadowing the furture events, which concludes he would have killed her since she wanted answers as to why the engineers wanted to eliminate humans and david just wanted to create through the destruction of their species basically. he showed all the signs in prometheus, it just became more clear in alien covenant, his first mission was to be free, maybe he saw the ending of the crew being the beginning of his work? who knows but what i can say is i believe they had different missions on the way to the engineer homeworld. she wanted info, he wanted chaos.

edit: also imagine if she didnt wanted to go to the homeworld of the engineers, that would mean his mission would truly succeed because of his resentment towards humans. "They are a dying species, grasping for resurrection, But their power is an illusion. They don’t deserve to start again, and I’m not going to let them." - David to walter from Alien: covenant this was his outlook from the moment he was mistreated by weyland imo. as his creator resented him for having immortality.

the only reason he wouldnt kill weyland is because he would need his resources and would need all that time to find his plan of revolution, but he was waiting for weyland to die so he would be free of his task.

BigDave

When I was talking about rival alien races, I don't want anymore human aliens and that goes for star trek-esque aliens too. I hate star trek aliens.
I was thinking of a rival species in the alien-verse more akin to the Covenant from the Halo series or canonize the Yautja/Predator species in the alienverse or even a Mass Effect alien. 

Something that doesn't look like us to the point should a xenomorph facehugs it will get a unique breed of xenomorph from it. Like a sapient species of Turtle-like aliens with six legs or a stone age bird-man

Lol!

Yup. That's why we have zoos.

I don't doubt we'll use a planet or two for conservation or just entertainment ( always wanted to set off your own nuke? come to LV-415!). Engineers are probably doing it now.

"One company ( W Y ) are not going to get to claim much...there will be thousands of Earth corps and governments who will want a piece of the action. and that's probably a story itself"

This could be what is Explored in the TV Series thats due in 2023.

As far as Davids Show........... maybe the Engineers had a Similar Interest....

"Sailors fighting in the dance hall
Oh man, look at those cavemen go
It's the freakiest show
Take a look at the lawman
Beating up the wrong guy
Oh man, wonder if he'll ever know
He's in the best selling show
Is there life on Mars?"

Well the Source i had from Feb 2015 (taken from Information about October 2014) had Claimed that there would be TWO MONSTERS in the Prometheus Sequel and had indicated that ONE was kind of Translucent........... The Neomorph (Especially the Infant Burster Stage was kind of Translucent a Bit.....) but it would be NICE to see something much more Translucent maybe NOT quite as much as a Jelly Fish though.

location LV-426. Lower chambers of a derelict space craft.

David is watching as his synthetic friend is placing egg pods on the floor of the ancient vessel.

Hovey ( David's friend ) apprehensive "Are you sure they will come?"

David "Yes, Ash is quite dependable"

David and Hovey had done this on other colonies and had always enjoyed a successful 'show'. David had assured him that this would be no different. A 'performance par excellence'. Hovey looked forward to it. David had stripped him of all his safety protocols and added some theater programming. Hovey was his best friend.

David: "Now we wait.

Skip forward to the Nostromo's destruction......Countdown commencing.....

David and Hovey have boarded the Nostromo in attempt to rescue Ash and maybe capture the creature.....And enjoy the show!

Hovey "This is cutting it close.."

David "Mother this is Archangel David you may dispense with the countdown"

No answer, the countdown continues.

David "Mother?...The countdown must terminate now. To repeat, This is Archangel David..."

Mother "Unrecognized interface"

David "Ahh yes, the classic double cross", "Good show Mother..Good sh"

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The question of just when David boarded the Nostromo is also fascinating. 

David has a history of voyeurism (Shaw's dreams just one instance) and his love of film seem to fit with some innate (programmed) desire to observe and pontificate.

First contact ideas where Earthlings are aware of aliens has yet to be explored and i think this is a path they might think about, or at least the comics?

One company ( W Y ) are not going to get to claim much...there will be thousands of Earth corps and governments who will want a piece of the action. and that's probably a story itself!

I think it could be Interesting to see WHAT would Happen if we went to Another World that the Engineers had Created a Race on......

Imagine going back say 1000-2000 Years Ago on Earth and we Believe that we are UNIQUE and the ONLY other Visitors we have are our Human looking Engineer Creators................... then another Race from another World then Turns Up.... say they could look LESS HUMAN like i dont know a Klingon or Cardassian etc.

How would we React? how would this Effect how we view our Creators?  I doubt the Engineers would like to see their other Creations go OFF and Find other Worlds the Engineers had Created Life/Civilization on.

What does the COMPANY do when say it Discovers a Populated World who are say Primitive, and Especially if they are Living in Wooden Huts etc and so 6'000+ Years behind our Technology Level......

This Species are Scattered around the Planet in Small Numbers (Few Hundred) sometimes LESS but they are Scattered here and there....

If this World has Resources.... would the Company be Willing to TALK and TRY and agree some Deal with this Race.... we have some of their Resources in Exchange for some Knowledge/Technology?

Or would the Company just TAKE what they Want and STEAL their Lands?

If the Engineers come back to this World and then Discover someone has BEEN using Technology to Pillage the Resources, maybe also Slaying some of the Inhabitants or maybe IF the Company makes a Deal/Trade....  how would the Engineers React to seeing that ONE of their other Worlds they have Seeded a Race on, has all of SUDDEN got their Hands on some Technology that is NOT from the Engineers?

There has to be other Races..... but all we have in the Franchise are Humans, Engineers and the ARCTURIANS (who we have NOT seen but heard of).

Regarding ASH.... it would be Interesting to see HOW MUCH of David is in Ash?  I suspect that as of 2122 and Beyond that David is NOT DEAD.

That could have been interesting.

From what I'm aware, anything Giger made for the alien series (Some xenomorph designs, derelict design, derelict interior, egg silo, facehugger victims etc) belongs to studio, so concept artists can work from that. Anything else that Giger made in his spare time (all those bio mechanical landscapes and abominations) for galleries or whatever belongs to his estate and would have to be negotiated and approved for use with the estate.

Looking at some of the early Alien covenant concept art by Khang Lee, there were lots of interesting semi-translucent alien creatures that seemed to be inspired by aquatic life forms.

Like Guillermo Del Toro said, when designing a movie monster, reference nature.
https://youtu.be/nhgF52qmjGE?t=149

I think the Giger Estate does have a BIG SAY in WHAT they can or CANT do in Terms of when Designing anything related to his Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic.

But i think when you are looking at Introducing other New Monsters then you DONT have to make them Close to that Aesthetic we saw in ALIEN... The Deacon and Neomorph while we could see some Connection, they was BOTH nothing like the Bio-Mechanical Fiend from the FIRST MOVIE.

This for Example from ALIENS: Fireteam Elite...........

We also have Various Concept Work from the Prequels that do-not have that Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic like we had with the Xenomorph.  So i think if you introduce a New Monster that has some of that Aesthetic then YES i think maybe they would have to get Permission  from the Giger Estate.

For Example like the Unused Ultramorph Concept..... because maybe its LIKENESS is too Close to HR Gigers Designs.

      David and Ellen Ripley are sitting near each other. Ripley is waiting to board the Nostromo. 

David starting a conversation “Nice ship”

Ripley frowning “Is it?”

David “Your destination is Earth?”

Ripley a little creeped out “Common knowledge”

Ripley grabs her flight bag and turns to leave..

David “Bon Voyage”

Ripley quickening her pace “..uh..Thanks”

Ash walks by Ripley and sits near David.

David “Everything arranged?”

Ash “Yes yes, child's play to get assigned”, “May I ask, why not just give me the specimen?”

David “Theater my boy, theater”

Ash incredulously “This is theater?”

David “Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything”

Art is so incredibly important to the Alien series. What Giger brought to franchise can never be overstated. The series might as well be called Giger's Alien. And I've yet to see anything close to the genius of Giger.

Star Wars, Star Trek, etc.. just aren't that reliant on it. I can't think of a creature from any of them that was breathtaking.....maybe the the summa-verminoth from Han Solo?

I wonder if they can even make creatures similar to Giger? How does the Giger estate work?

James Cameron would love this angle! Might bring him back to the franchise ( for good or bad lol )

"A rival alien species on the level of humanity could introduce new stories.."

Some would argue that they couldn't even get the Engineers stories right! Not sure if they could handle another race.

I'm all for introducing new races and never showing the xenomorph again, believe me!

"....the Neomorph was still Connected and YET it was Different."

Love the neomorph...If it had looked more vicious ( more xenomorph like ), I think the fans would have been more excited. Perhaps that was the point though?, they didn't want to take the edge off the xenomorph brand. 

I think the comics are going to show the direction.

Maybe they could Discover this New Kind of Xenomorph at the Bottom of a Ocean, maybe on some other World?

"By the sounds of it you just want to rinse and repeat what has already been to done to the franchise"

Sadly thats WHAT we are likely to be in FOR.... i can say for Myself and also i think that MonsterZero is also on the same PAGE as FAR as........ YES you can have more to the Franchise than Xenomorphs.... the Prequels had OPENED UP a Lot of Potential and its a SHAME to see that Wasted.

Ridley Scott had seemed to GIVE IN and have to ADMIT the Franchise has to be about the Xenomorph.... but he had said you have to EVOLVE IT and Explore other ways of Procreation... i think what he means is that your LIMITED if you are just having the Same Xenomorph that we have seen say in ALIENS, ALIEN R, AVP and AVPR over and over.....

You dont have to Diverge too FAR from the Xenomorph, the Neomorph was still Connected and YET it was Different.

But the Biggest thing the Prequels seemed to be about as FAR as our Engineers was Creation!  And its UNLIKELY that Humans are the ONLY other Species like themselves they had Created, and WHO is to say that others are Quite Human..... and then SURELY there are other Races/Species that the Engineers had Played NO PART in the Creation/Evolution of.

To get more MILLAGE out of the Franchise you have to look at what is in the Expanded Universe beyond the Eggs from LV-426, because well... too much of them and they COULD loose their Effect....  TAKE the Walking Dead... yes its about Zombies but if EVERY SEASON was about a Group of Do Gooders trying to Escape/Survive against Zombies it would have became Repetitive and STALE... in the Walking Dead we Learn the Zombies are NOT the Biggest Threat.

As Ripley said about the Xenomorph "I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them f**king each other over for a goddamn percentage"

And so in Terms of the Franchise.... then Humanity and our Greed is the Biggest Threat....  what if we Discover Words that are Rich for the Company but they have some Inhabitants?

Could we have a Galactic Version of what those from the EAST had done to the Natives of the Americas?

Ridley Scott had said the ALIEN Franchise SHOULD be like a Star Wars/Star Trek and i DONT think he meant as FAR as making the $$$$$ but in Terms of the Many Worlds/Races and Conflicts.... rather than being about the Greedy Company trying to get those EGGS and the Marines called in to CLEAN the S**T up etc.

"Introducing new races just takes us further away from the xenomorph and I don't think the fans want that"

I think the CORE FAN BASE would Expect the Franchise to be about the Xenomorph, the SAD thing is that RS was Correct.... and Prometheus was to SET UP a Expansion into a SPIN OFF where you could have Endless Possibilities with Different Worlds/Races and New Horrors.

But with Prometheus it just NEVER did enough to CLOSE the DOOR to ALIEN so it can MOVE ON without being Shackled to the Xenomorph and LV-426.  This could have been Avoided if Prometheus had a BIT MORE for the Fans to Chew On, and LEFT things with at LEAST some Answers.

But with Alien Covenant its seems that its SET-UP to get us to LV-426 and so YES you would be Expecting the Xenomorph.... and i think to CONTINUE then YES you have to have it about the Xenomorph... maybe do 1-2 More Movies to CLOSE the DOOR to LV-426........  then you can Explore the Engineers other Races/Worlds and Horrors and NOT be about Xenomorphs and IF some Fans Cry and Moan.. they just GOT to Accept that maybe we are taking a SPIN OFF like Franchise Approach to TRY and do something NEW... because otherwise the ALIEN FRANCHISE will just become another Starship Troopers.

This is NOT to say you CANT have more Xenomorph Movies... i think we could do with TWO More Prequels to CLOSE the DOOR to ALIEN... maybe then they can make another TWO ALIEN Movies about the Xenomorph... but after that i think you cant get MORE Millage out of the Beast.... at LEAST as Far as Theatrically.

Whats wrong with the ALIEN verse having non-xenomorph aliens? I mean sapient non-human would be rare but the Engineers/Space Jockey and the Yautja/Predators are both sapient aliens that already exist within the franchise. So what's wrong with discovering primitive sapient lifeforms or even extra space faring ones?

By the sounds of it you just want to rinse and repeat what has already been to done to the franchise. Newer aliens mean newer forms for the xenomorphs can take but also even when not involving our favorite acid blood aliens, having a different alien species on screen would be an interesting theme to explore in the alien universe.

Up to this point, we only had the Yautja (non-canon they may or not be) humans have been trying to acquire their technology but fail.

Engineers, humans wanted to learn their secrets of immortality.

Xenomorphs, humans want them for bioweapons and usually fall victim to them.

Androids, Humans either love them or hate them.

A rival alien species on the level of humanity could introduce new stories to explore in the Alien series.

"Planning to RETCON....... ALIENS."

That's why introducing egg morph in Prometheus ( or Covenant)  was his way to retcon. nullifying the queen somewhat.

*The other Engineers have NO IDEA about what has Happened to Planet 4 apart from a Group who Return and they some-how do-not Contact the others.............. or it would be Hundreds of Years before any of them would Pick Up any Message from Planet 4.

If the Engineers are galaxy spanning and there are trillions of them ( a guess ), losing a million citizens just isn't worth the energy or time to avenge them?

"all of the other alien species are all dead"

Introducing new races just takes us further away from the xenomorph and I don't think the fans want that.

I want Alien 5 to begin with humans encountering a really nasty alien race ( a long lived galaxy core dwelling one )....But fans/Disney/Fox are going to ask: "Where is the Xenomorph?!" and I'm in 100% agreement with RS that the 'beast is cooked'...But I still want future movies involving it.

When looking at the OT its to Answer as to WHERE do you GO NEXT as far as IF we are to Continue after Alien Covenant.

The Engineers Plot becomes Problematic and Especially having Planet being Located so CLOSE (likely to be within 50LY)

IF they had Planet 4 as being MUCH FURTHER AWAY then we would NOT have to Worry as much about CONFLICTS with the Franchise.  In the IMAGE above i have Placed 6 Areas of where the Engineers are/where Located (One being CLOSE to Earth) and there are 22 Worlds the Engineers had Seeded/Evolved Life say Similar to us on.....

In this Example the CLOSEST other World the Engineers have Created Life on is 12'500LY from Earth, the NEXT CLOSEST such World of the Engineers is 25'000LY Away......

So the Galaxy is VAST and it could be that by the Time of ALIENS we Simply have NOT gone as FAR as say 12.5K or 25K Light Years....

The Problem with Planet 4 being so CLOSE is that WHEN the Engineers do Return and Discover as to WHAT has Happened.... do they Attempt to CONTACT other Engineer Outposts etc?    Because then we have to ASK that IF they have, then WHY by the Time-Line of ALIENS does it seem that Mankind have been FINE?

With a Prometheus set of Sequels that i had in MIND... then David and Dr Shaw would have gone to a FAR FAR AWAY place.... that they would have Reached there like WAY in the Future or at Very Least... in the AFTERMATH of what David does, by the Time any other Engineers would Investigate then the Time-Line would be like 2250-2350 or so etc....

But with Alien Covenant we have some Problems...

*Does the Group of Engineers who come to Planet 4 and Discover what has Happened, simply go to LOOK for the Culprits/Decide to take Revenge but FAIL to Contact any other Engineers out there in the Galaxy?

*Are the Returning Engineers the LAST of their Kind in our Galaxy?

Because you HAVE to WONDER about WHY it is that Humanity from Earth is STILL ALIVE by the Year 2180 etc....

ONE WAY this would NOT go and Cause a Conflict... would be IF it was that Ridley Scott was Planning to RETCON....... ALIENS...   This way the Engineers who Return and Events that LEAD to the Space Jockey on LV-426... would NOT be as BIG a Conflict.... because MORE of their Kind could Return say 25 Years after ALIEN.....

You have to ASSUME the Engineers have other Outposts in our Galaxy... and when some Engineers from these ARRIVE at Planet 4 they surely would CONTACT the other Engineers (from where they came) about Planet 4 and then maybe TELL them what they INTEND to DO...... so when these other Engineers say FAIL to here BACK from those who went to Planet 4 then SURELY they would SEND another Group of Engineers to Investigate?

UNLESS.... the Engineer Outpost/World is VERY FAR and Communication would take say 100 Years or More, and Travel would take 100 Years or More?

The Prometheus say can Travel Nearly 20LY per Year.... the Covenant likely is 40-50X the Speed of Light and the Nostromo is just Under 50X and surely the Engineers Ships are Faster....

But what if they are only like 100-200x the Speed of Light?

But a Problem we have is they can Travel to other Galaxies and well the Nearest Galaxy is 2.5M Light Years Away.... so the Nostromo would take say 50'000 Years........... i cant see the Engineers Spending like Thousands of Years to get to other Galaxies... maybe Hundreds?

So YES you will have some Questions/Conflicts with the Engineers and WHY they seemed to have NOT been back to Earth.....

Unless within our Galaxy....

*There are ONLY a Few Engineers left!

*The Returning Engineers are coming from another Galaxy!

*The other Engineers have NO IDEA about what has Happened to Planet 4 apart from a Group who Return and they some-how do-not Contact the others.............. or it would be Hundreds of Years before any of them would Pick Up any Message from Planet 4.

I have to agree with you Xenotaris......

The Engineers Plot does indicate they have been to other GALAXIES and so you could EXPLORE them and NOT have to Conflict with ALIEN at all.

The Tricky Situation with Exploring the Space Jockey would be that WHEN and HOW you Explore as to WHO they ARE.... its then WHERE they are FROM.  We could have ASSUMED that the Space Jockey was VERY FAR from HOME.

WHERE are the REST of them?  And so you could have Wondered as too...

*Are they all Gone/Dead?  Died Out some MANY Thousands of Years Ago?

*Do they come from a FAR FAR away Place and they do Remain but they are like 10'000, 20'000, 30'000 LY away..... or in another Galaxy?

But with the Engineers Plot and Especially after Alien Covenant we see the Engineers had been Located like ON OUR DOORSTEP..... but this does-not mean that there are NO other Engineers and Worlds within our Galaxy, they just could be Very FAR Away.... maybe even in another Galaxy.

You could do a Spin Off and Visit some of these Places... and this does-not mean you CANT have Humans... as who is to say that Thousands of Years ago that the Earth is the ONLY such Place to have Humans or that we CAME from Earth?

"Their version of a super soldier"

Well this is WHAT i think the Prometheus Engineers are Compared to the Planet 4 Engineers.... they are like a Cross Between Universal Solider meets Blade Runner...... a Genetically Enhanced Version of their Species.

Well the major difference between the Alienverse/Predatorverse from Star Wars and Star Trek. 

Humanity barely explored a fraction of their galaxy while Star Wars and Star Trek the entire galaxy is pretty much colonized and explored compared to ALIEN.

Its arrogant to assume that all of the other alien species are all dead