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I think the Giger Estate does have a BIG SAY in WHAT they can or CANT do in Terms of when Designing anything related to his Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic.

But i think when you are looking at Introducing other New Monsters then you DONT have to make them Close to that Aesthetic we saw in ALIEN... The Deacon and Neomorph while we could see some Connection, they was BOTH nothing like the Bio-Mechanical Fiend from the FIRST MOVIE.

This for Example from ALIENS: Fireteam Elite...........

We also have Various Concept Work from the Prequels that do-not have that Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic like we had with the Xenomorph.  So i think if you introduce a New Monster that has some of that Aesthetic then YES i think maybe they would have to get Permission  from the Giger Estate.

For Example like the Unused Ultramorph Concept..... because maybe its LIKENESS is too Close to HR Gigers Designs.

      David and Ellen Ripley are sitting near each other. Ripley is waiting to board the Nostromo. 

David starting a conversation “Nice ship”

Ripley frowning “Is it?”

David “Your destination is Earth?”

Ripley a little creeped out “Common knowledge”

Ripley grabs her flight bag and turns to leave..

David “Bon Voyage”

Ripley quickening her pace “..uh..Thanks”

Ash walks by Ripley and sits near David.

David “Everything arranged?”

Ash “Yes yes, child's play to get assigned”, “May I ask, why not just give me the specimen?”

David “Theater my boy, theater”

Ash incredulously “This is theater?”

David “Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything”

Art is so incredibly important to the Alien series. What Giger brought to franchise can never be overstated. The series might as well be called Giger's Alien. And I've yet to see anything close to the genius of Giger.

Star Wars, Star Trek, etc.. just aren't that reliant on it. I can't think of a creature from any of them that was breathtaking.....maybe the the summa-verminoth from Han Solo?

I wonder if they can even make creatures similar to Giger? How does the Giger estate work?

James Cameron would love this angle! Might bring him back to the franchise ( for good or bad lol )

"A rival alien species on the level of humanity could introduce new stories.."

Some would argue that they couldn't even get the Engineers stories right! Not sure if they could handle another race.

I'm all for introducing new races and never showing the xenomorph again, believe me!

"....the Neomorph was still Connected and YET it was Different."

Love the neomorph...If it had looked more vicious ( more xenomorph like ), I think the fans would have been more excited. Perhaps that was the point though?, they didn't want to take the edge off the xenomorph brand. 

I think the comics are going to show the direction.

Maybe they could Discover this New Kind of Xenomorph at the Bottom of a Ocean, maybe on some other World?

"By the sounds of it you just want to rinse and repeat what has already been to done to the franchise"

Sadly thats WHAT we are likely to be in FOR.... i can say for Myself and also i think that MonsterZero is also on the same PAGE as FAR as........ YES you can have more to the Franchise than Xenomorphs.... the Prequels had OPENED UP a Lot of Potential and its a SHAME to see that Wasted.

Ridley Scott had seemed to GIVE IN and have to ADMIT the Franchise has to be about the Xenomorph.... but he had said you have to EVOLVE IT and Explore other ways of Procreation... i think what he means is that your LIMITED if you are just having the Same Xenomorph that we have seen say in ALIENS, ALIEN R, AVP and AVPR over and over.....

You dont have to Diverge too FAR from the Xenomorph, the Neomorph was still Connected and YET it was Different.

But the Biggest thing the Prequels seemed to be about as FAR as our Engineers was Creation!  And its UNLIKELY that Humans are the ONLY other Species like themselves they had Created, and WHO is to say that others are Quite Human..... and then SURELY there are other Races/Species that the Engineers had Played NO PART in the Creation/Evolution of.

To get more MILLAGE out of the Franchise you have to look at what is in the Expanded Universe beyond the Eggs from LV-426, because well... too much of them and they COULD loose their Effect....  TAKE the Walking Dead... yes its about Zombies but if EVERY SEASON was about a Group of Do Gooders trying to Escape/Survive against Zombies it would have became Repetitive and STALE... in the Walking Dead we Learn the Zombies are NOT the Biggest Threat.

As Ripley said about the Xenomorph "I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them f**king each other over for a goddamn percentage"

And so in Terms of the Franchise.... then Humanity and our Greed is the Biggest Threat....  what if we Discover Words that are Rich for the Company but they have some Inhabitants?

Could we have a Galactic Version of what those from the EAST had done to the Natives of the Americas?

Ridley Scott had said the ALIEN Franchise SHOULD be like a Star Wars/Star Trek and i DONT think he meant as FAR as making the $$$$$ but in Terms of the Many Worlds/Races and Conflicts.... rather than being about the Greedy Company trying to get those EGGS and the Marines called in to CLEAN the S**T up etc.

"Introducing new races just takes us further away from the xenomorph and I don't think the fans want that"

I think the CORE FAN BASE would Expect the Franchise to be about the Xenomorph, the SAD thing is that RS was Correct.... and Prometheus was to SET UP a Expansion into a SPIN OFF where you could have Endless Possibilities with Different Worlds/Races and New Horrors.

But with Prometheus it just NEVER did enough to CLOSE the DOOR to ALIEN so it can MOVE ON without being Shackled to the Xenomorph and LV-426.  This could have been Avoided if Prometheus had a BIT MORE for the Fans to Chew On, and LEFT things with at LEAST some Answers.

But with Alien Covenant its seems that its SET-UP to get us to LV-426 and so YES you would be Expecting the Xenomorph.... and i think to CONTINUE then YES you have to have it about the Xenomorph... maybe do 1-2 More Movies to CLOSE the DOOR to LV-426........  then you can Explore the Engineers other Races/Worlds and Horrors and NOT be about Xenomorphs and IF some Fans Cry and Moan.. they just GOT to Accept that maybe we are taking a SPIN OFF like Franchise Approach to TRY and do something NEW... because otherwise the ALIEN FRANCHISE will just become another Starship Troopers.

This is NOT to say you CANT have more Xenomorph Movies... i think we could do with TWO More Prequels to CLOSE the DOOR to ALIEN... maybe then they can make another TWO ALIEN Movies about the Xenomorph... but after that i think you cant get MORE Millage out of the Beast.... at LEAST as Far as Theatrically.

Whats wrong with the ALIEN verse having non-xenomorph aliens? I mean sapient non-human would be rare but the Engineers/Space Jockey and the Yautja/Predators are both sapient aliens that already exist within the franchise. So what's wrong with discovering primitive sapient lifeforms or even extra space faring ones?

By the sounds of it you just want to rinse and repeat what has already been to done to the franchise. Newer aliens mean newer forms for the xenomorphs can take but also even when not involving our favorite acid blood aliens, having a different alien species on screen would be an interesting theme to explore in the alien universe.

Up to this point, we only had the Yautja (non-canon they may or not be) humans have been trying to acquire their technology but fail.

Engineers, humans wanted to learn their secrets of immortality.

Xenomorphs, humans want them for bioweapons and usually fall victim to them.

Androids, Humans either love them or hate them.

A rival alien species on the level of humanity could introduce new stories to explore in the Alien series.

"Planning to RETCON....... ALIENS."

That's why introducing egg morph in Prometheus ( or Covenant)  was his way to retcon. nullifying the queen somewhat.

*The other Engineers have NO IDEA about what has Happened to Planet 4 apart from a Group who Return and they some-how do-not Contact the others.............. or it would be Hundreds of Years before any of them would Pick Up any Message from Planet 4.

If the Engineers are galaxy spanning and there are trillions of them ( a guess ), losing a million citizens just isn't worth the energy or time to avenge them?

"all of the other alien species are all dead"

Introducing new races just takes us further away from the xenomorph and I don't think the fans want that.

I want Alien 5 to begin with humans encountering a really nasty alien race ( a long lived galaxy core dwelling one )....But fans/Disney/Fox are going to ask: "Where is the Xenomorph?!" and I'm in 100% agreement with RS that the 'beast is cooked'...But I still want future movies involving it.

When looking at the OT its to Answer as to WHERE do you GO NEXT as far as IF we are to Continue after Alien Covenant.

The Engineers Plot becomes Problematic and Especially having Planet being Located so CLOSE (likely to be within 50LY)

IF they had Planet 4 as being MUCH FURTHER AWAY then we would NOT have to Worry as much about CONFLICTS with the Franchise.  In the IMAGE above i have Placed 6 Areas of where the Engineers are/where Located (One being CLOSE to Earth) and there are 22 Worlds the Engineers had Seeded/Evolved Life say Similar to us on.....

In this Example the CLOSEST other World the Engineers have Created Life on is 12'500LY from Earth, the NEXT CLOSEST such World of the Engineers is 25'000LY Away......

So the Galaxy is VAST and it could be that by the Time of ALIENS we Simply have NOT gone as FAR as say 12.5K or 25K Light Years....

The Problem with Planet 4 being so CLOSE is that WHEN the Engineers do Return and Discover as to WHAT has Happened.... do they Attempt to CONTACT other Engineer Outposts etc?    Because then we have to ASK that IF they have, then WHY by the Time-Line of ALIENS does it seem that Mankind have been FINE?

With a Prometheus set of Sequels that i had in MIND... then David and Dr Shaw would have gone to a FAR FAR AWAY place.... that they would have Reached there like WAY in the Future or at Very Least... in the AFTERMATH of what David does, by the Time any other Engineers would Investigate then the Time-Line would be like 2250-2350 or so etc....

But with Alien Covenant we have some Problems...

*Does the Group of Engineers who come to Planet 4 and Discover what has Happened, simply go to LOOK for the Culprits/Decide to take Revenge but FAIL to Contact any other Engineers out there in the Galaxy?

*Are the Returning Engineers the LAST of their Kind in our Galaxy?

Because you HAVE to WONDER about WHY it is that Humanity from Earth is STILL ALIVE by the Year 2180 etc....

ONE WAY this would NOT go and Cause a Conflict... would be IF it was that Ridley Scott was Planning to RETCON....... ALIENS...   This way the Engineers who Return and Events that LEAD to the Space Jockey on LV-426... would NOT be as BIG a Conflict.... because MORE of their Kind could Return say 25 Years after ALIEN.....

You have to ASSUME the Engineers have other Outposts in our Galaxy... and when some Engineers from these ARRIVE at Planet 4 they surely would CONTACT the other Engineers (from where they came) about Planet 4 and then maybe TELL them what they INTEND to DO...... so when these other Engineers say FAIL to here BACK from those who went to Planet 4 then SURELY they would SEND another Group of Engineers to Investigate?

UNLESS.... the Engineer Outpost/World is VERY FAR and Communication would take say 100 Years or More, and Travel would take 100 Years or More?

The Prometheus say can Travel Nearly 20LY per Year.... the Covenant likely is 40-50X the Speed of Light and the Nostromo is just Under 50X and surely the Engineers Ships are Faster....

But what if they are only like 100-200x the Speed of Light?

But a Problem we have is they can Travel to other Galaxies and well the Nearest Galaxy is 2.5M Light Years Away.... so the Nostromo would take say 50'000 Years........... i cant see the Engineers Spending like Thousands of Years to get to other Galaxies... maybe Hundreds?

So YES you will have some Questions/Conflicts with the Engineers and WHY they seemed to have NOT been back to Earth.....

Unless within our Galaxy....

*There are ONLY a Few Engineers left!

*The Returning Engineers are coming from another Galaxy!

*The other Engineers have NO IDEA about what has Happened to Planet 4 apart from a Group who Return and they some-how do-not Contact the others.............. or it would be Hundreds of Years before any of them would Pick Up any Message from Planet 4.

I have to agree with you Xenotaris......

The Engineers Plot does indicate they have been to other GALAXIES and so you could EXPLORE them and NOT have to Conflict with ALIEN at all.

The Tricky Situation with Exploring the Space Jockey would be that WHEN and HOW you Explore as to WHO they ARE.... its then WHERE they are FROM.  We could have ASSUMED that the Space Jockey was VERY FAR from HOME.

WHERE are the REST of them?  And so you could have Wondered as too...

*Are they all Gone/Dead?  Died Out some MANY Thousands of Years Ago?

*Do they come from a FAR FAR away Place and they do Remain but they are like 10'000, 20'000, 30'000 LY away..... or in another Galaxy?

But with the Engineers Plot and Especially after Alien Covenant we see the Engineers had been Located like ON OUR DOORSTEP..... but this does-not mean that there are NO other Engineers and Worlds within our Galaxy, they just could be Very FAR Away.... maybe even in another Galaxy.

You could do a Spin Off and Visit some of these Places... and this does-not mean you CANT have Humans... as who is to say that Thousands of Years ago that the Earth is the ONLY such Place to have Humans or that we CAME from Earth?

"Their version of a super soldier"

Well this is WHAT i think the Prometheus Engineers are Compared to the Planet 4 Engineers.... they are like a Cross Between Universal Solider meets Blade Runner...... a Genetically Enhanced Version of their Species.

Well the major difference between the Alienverse/Predatorverse from Star Wars and Star Trek. 

Humanity barely explored a fraction of their galaxy while Star Wars and Star Trek the entire galaxy is pretty much colonized and explored compared to ALIEN.

Its arrogant to assume that all of the other alien species are all dead

 I don't think the World building of Alien is complete enough to support multiple alien races. With Star Trek and Star Wars it's no problem...introduce a new one every novel, comic, movie. The Alien universe seems isolated..... we are alone....and I think this is better.

"All other life in the galaxy has died off and it's our turn" More cosmic horror angle then a bump in the road.

I like the SJ as a mutated / genetically altered Engineer. Their version of a super soldier. The Engineers are playing God with everything they touch..

BUT...Who are they fighting? Why would they need super soldiers...are they fighting the monstrosities they created.... or just each other...in a galaxy spanning faction war?

So I'm not sure another race is required. And without Giger I'm not confident on the art direction.

The Space Jockey was a Enigma for Certain.............. there are a FEW things that make it Appear to NOT be a Engineer.... but we are Supposed to Accept that it WAS, but WHO KNOWS as to WHAT/WHO the Space Jockey would have been Revealed as had Ridley Scott got to Conclude the Prequels?

Wayne Haagg who had Worked on a LOT of the Engineers Aesthetic/Concepts for Alien Covenant had said that he FELT the Engineers Technology was something they had STOLEN or Reverse Engineered, it seemed that he FELT the Derelict etc was NOT something the Engineers had Created/Engineered.

With Prometheus out the way, we had RS say that he DID-NOT want to MEET GOD in the First Movie and he Indicated the Engineers we saw are NOT the TOP of the Creation Layer Cake................ even just Prior to Announcement of Alien Covenant we had RS mention that IF the Engineers are the Forerunners of Mankind, then WHO had MADE it so that Worlds could Support Life/Biology... he ASKED.... where is the Big Guy?

So it seemed that RS had Pondered that their is Someone/Something or some Race that is ABOVE the Engineers...... this is Something that maybe could have been Explored....

IF so then i think the Themes should still PLAY a Role.... and so a Revelation that the Engineers were a Sub-Created Species for some Specific Reason who had Rebelled and maybe even Overthrown their Creators could WORK.

So you could have Explored the Space Jockey as ANOTHER RACE

A lot of Ancient Cave Paintings/Petroglyph seemed to NOT show much about Space Craft but Certainly many had Strange looking beings.  The ALIEN Franchise is a Alternative Universe to our OWN and so you can BEND what we Actually have in History to Match the Engineers.

But YES we could have some Paintings etc that seem to show the Juggernaught Ships.  Or even Reveal the Engineers using like Pyramid Type Ships.

Right now, I consider the prequels rather pointless. I watched Alien the other day and not for one second did I think the Space Jockey was an Engineer. I'd rather the Engineers are shown to be false prophets or something.....A parasitic race that steals and deceives.

So a return to Lv-223 is my final answer. 

I think it would've been cool to see a cave painting of a juggernaut with the Engineer near it. Would have been very alieny.

"They arrived in this vessel..."

I agree i think the Ancient Astronaut/Creators Plot does OPEN the Franchise to Great Potential.

Ridley Scott has said the Engineers would come back from TIME TO TIME to Evolve us both Genetically and Technologically. The Plot seemed to Indicate that as of 2000+ Years Ago, then a Lot of our Knowledge had been Passed on by the Engineers when they Visited us.....  they likely Influenced/Taught us some of our Construction/Architecture.  But they would likely NOT go and Teach us EVERYTHING so we do-not have a Equal Footing.

We can Ponder as to HOW OFTEN they came back?  And for WHAT other Purposes.

The Story of ENOCH could be something that the Engineers have done with Various Humans over the Years.  I would be SURPRISED if the Earth as of 2000+ Years Ago was the ONLY PLACE in the Galaxy with Humans....

Which is what i would have done with a Prometheus 2... go to a FAR FAR AWAY Place... like 15000 LY or more... a Place with Humans and a Few Engineers but maybe also other Races.... like a Real Paradise... as in the Engineers would Collect and TAKE a Few Hundred of Each Species they Deemed Worthy to go and LIVE with the Engineers.

If we loosely look at Biblical Accounts as Fables Based on Engineer Interaction then People like Jesus and Enoch could have been Granted Access to Engineers Knowledge as the Engineers would take them AWAY for a While.

These CHOSEN beings could ACT as Emissaries for the Engineers.

I do think that Eventually we would have seen Xenomorphs had Ridley Scott got to make any Sequels..... he made some INTERESTING Comments about the Xenomorph.

*He Felt that you had to Evolve the Xenomorph.

*He Felt you could look at other ways of Procreation.

*He said that we have NOT YET reached the Bio-Mechanical Fiend that we see in ALIEN.

I think RS would have Explored the Egg Morph.

Regarding the more ALIENY Elements i had added to a Edit (which i Lost) of Prometheus.... well i have said MISTAKE 2 was to NOT have a Sequel which goes to LV-223.

We have a BIT of a Problem Now.... and i think MISTAKE 3 would be to GO where David is going...  So YES i think IF they had to make a Sequel then it would be BEST to go to Planet 4......UNLESS..... we have David take the Covenant to LV-223.

"...Milburn Chest Burst "

That would have been awesome! And more like an Alien movie. A pity for sure.

 Seriously...Ridley had the keys to the kingdom once again! 

Could have a least established some egg morphing ideas. 

Yeah, we've had this topic before.....If the Engineers designed this as a 'test' then it's a really convoluted one!

Those cave paintings could have never been found and then what? 

Better off building large objects on Earth that would stand out for thousands of years and point to the system or  leave long lasting metal plaques all over.

But it's the ancient astronaut theory stuff from the 70's and i'm actually cool with it!

Makes a little more spice then just:

Scientist :"Mr. Weyland deep space probes have found evidence of an alien structure on a moon many light years away"

Peter Weyland "Cool. Lets go visit this site!"

" if we look at the extended scene in which Peter Weyland speaks with the Last Engineer he does not initially attack the humans rather simply studying them. His decision to attack the humans is based on the hostility of Shaw towards himself"

Indeed i saw this too.... The Engineer seemed to be Intrigued with Dr Shaw, but after he had Witnessed the Actions and Arrogance of Weyland he had KNOWN that Mankind are STILL a Race who are Greedy/Selfish and ONLY CARE about their OWN Personnel Gain.

When the Engineer had Arrived at the Life-Boat he had seemed Fascinated at the Technology and Especially the Video Screen that was Playing the Violin Girl.   There are a Number of Scenes we have NEVER seen... which Include the Engineer squatting down to Read a Book (The Bible).

All of this Implies the Engineer was some what Fascinated by WHAT we had Achieved since they Abandoned us (after the Outbreak).  But Knowing that we have Advanced to be able to FIND their Worlds and USE their Technology and seeing HOW it was that Weyland put his OWN NEEDS above the Others... then the Engineer saw that Mankind are a THREAT that they FEARED and we are a Destructive, Greedy Race.... and so he had NO CHOICE but to Continue with the Planed Mission to DESTROY US.

But with these Scenes Deleted and Alternative Scenes making the Theatrical Release, and RS was Pleased with this... seems to Indicate they had a CHANGE of Plan to HOW they wanted to Portray the Engineers.

So our Engineers were just ANGRY at us and ANNOYED...

"but it seems to me LV-223 was designed to be a testing ground for species seeded by Engineers and it was there that it would be decided whether the creatures could be allowed to go to Paradise with them"

Again this is HOW i saw LV-223, they are Gardeners of Space and if your a Gardener and you want to Evolve/Hybrid or Create something NEW then you would be Better off to TEST these somewhere before you are PLEASED with the Results and then you go and TAKE them to your Gardens.

I see the Juggernauts as merely a Advanced Version of the Seeding Ships (the Original Idea was NO Pebble Ship but Croissant Shaped Juggernauts) And so when i look at the Engineers on Planet 4, i see them as a Race where its Considered a Great Honor that some would be Chosen to become the Foundation of NEW LIFE....   The Ships come Time to Time to Collect some Engineers and they are Taken Away to be USED in a Ritual to Seed/Evolve Life.

This could Explain the Reaction of the Planet 4 Engineers.... which FITS with the Overall Creation Plot and the Sacrificial Scene and Statues and Especially those that Surround the Hanger.

But RS sees they as Welcoming Back the Military....

I Missed this Topic...

The way i looked at the Star Map before Alien Covenant was the Engineers were indicating to the Humans that THIS is WHERE you COME FROM. With LV-223  i saw as a Nursery/Green House a Sandbox.  But this became Perverted at a Latter Date to Experiment on Horrific Life-Forms.

It was NOT a Invitation as i think the Engineers had No Intentions to see us Gain Knowledge to a Technological Level that we Reached in the 20th/21st Century.  When the Outbreak had Occurred i think the Engineers just Abandoned us.... leave us to ROT and Destroy Ourselves but in their Hubris and Naivety they LIKELY had NEVER thought that on our OWN we would be able to Advance to what we had Achieved the Last 200 Years... (Prometheus Time-Line).

In LIGHT of Alien Covenant... then the Engineers could have been Pointing to Planet 4, and again NOT as a Intention of a Invitation.  And as Planet 4 had LIKELY some kind of Technology to keep it HIDDEN then the Prometheus just came to a Near by Star System and Targeted the ONLY kind of World they saw that has the Possibility to Sustain Life (LV-223).

@Tinde

Humans as a Bio-Weapon?  Thats Interesting to say the Least, as we are Very Destructive to our Environment....  IF we had NOT gone to Evolve Past what a Ape is...  Then you can be sure the CLIMATE CHANGE would be NO-WHERE as Bad and the MANY Organisms/Animals that are Endangered or Extinct would be WAY MORE LESS.

So we are Destructive, but as a Bio-Weapon it depends on WHY.... the Engineers could IF they had Conflicts, had Sent Down some Humans with some Weaponry thats more Advanced than the Species the Engineers would like to Eradicate and then Humans would LIKELY go and Destroy/Conquer them....

So thats a Interesting Question/Theory.... i think it Depends... another way to look at it is IF the Engineers had seen the Deacon/Neomorph etc as a Perfect Bio-Weapon and Killing Machine.... well THEY would NEED a HOST.  And if a Deacon/Neomorph like Organism... is more Perfect if it comes from a Humanoid Host like the Engineers....

Then to Create Humans to USE as Hosts for their Bio-Weapon Monster/Killing Machines could MAKE SENSE ;)

Indeed...

In Hindsight then YES the First Prequel did-not have enough ALIENY like Action, it was also NOT a Spoon Fed Literal Prequel.

With Prometheus we got to see the Engineers and ONE of them did some KILLING of our Human Characters..... but as FAR as anything more ALIEN.... well we had the Following.

1) Hammerpedes: We saw TWO of them and ONE had Attacked Milburn, but there was NOT a lot to this.... all we could Conclude is their was a Slight Similarity with a Face Hugger and we saw ACID BLOOD.

2) Zombie Fifield: We saw Fifield become Infected with the Black Goo and become some kind of Toxic Avenger Mutant Zombie.  And it was FIFIELD who had done MOST of the KILLING.... he also did-not have much of a Connection to the Xenomorph.

3) Dr Shaws Trilobite:  With Dr Shaw infected via Holloway we got to see her become Pregnant with a None-Human Fetus..... the Trilobite was some kind of Hybrid of a Face Hugger/Human.  We could see its Connection to the Face Hugger by HOW it had Infected the Engineer.

4) The Deacon:  The result of Dr Shaws Child (The Trilobite) Infecting the Engineer to Result in a Chest Burster Organism.... the Deacon.  We could make some Connection with the Xenomorph but again it was NOT too Close to the Xenomorph.

So from these Alien Monsters.... there was NO Real Pay Off with the Hammerpede, and while we saw ONE with the Trilobite we Never got to see NOTHING of the Deacon, it would have been like ALIEN just Ending after Kanes Chest Buster Scene.

There was NO kind of Action Scene apart from the Fifield Attack.

About the ONLY thing that Fans took as some Connection to ALIEN was the Mural as MANY had seen this as the Xenomorph (but it was a Deacon).

The Alien Engineers Draft had more Action and more ALIENS.... we Encountered and saw a Hammerpede (more like Centipede than a Snake) and we saw Three Kinds of Face Hugger, we saw FOUR Kinds of Xenomorph like Organisms (inc TWO that we see Chest Burst),  Fifield was more a Xeno/Human Hybrid with ACID BLOOD and so there was MORE Action and ALIENS.

What Prometheus had Needed was a Balance.....

I had Re-wrote Parts of Prometheus and some of the Changes Came to the Monsters.

1) Fifield had Mutated into something we could see more of a Xenomorph Connection too and had some Acid Blood. (Just as in Alien Engineers). And he also does-not KILL as many People.

2) The Hammerpede that Jumps from the Mouth of Milburn would go to try and Attack Ford but Janek would manager to Prise it away and then it gets Shot.... we see Acid Blood but then as we ZOOM in we see inside of it are TINY like Eggs.

3) Upon the Return to the Outpost with Mr Weyland and Company we have TWO more Security Personnel they Stay in the Big Head Room, and they Notice that Milburns Body begins to Move... they go Closer and we see Milburn then Chest Burst some Hybrid Organism (I envisioned like the Unused Prometheus Variant and so CLOSE to the Neomorph).

This goes to Attack on of the Security the Other in a Panic Shoots at it but it Hits the Security Guy being Attacked.  The other Panics and Flees Off.

We then CUT to the Engineer Scene..... when David Talks to him and gets his Head Ripped Off.....

4) As we see Dr Shaw running away and then where she gets to the Outside she Catches up with the Security Guard and they Hear a Screech...... as the Security Guard Turns around we see the Milburn Chest Buster it is Larger Now.. he Fires a Few Shots at it... they Miss...... he Turns to Dr Shaw and Tells her to RUN...  she Jumps the Opening Hanger Door to then be able to RUN ALONG the Surface (She is Joined by Vickers as per Prometheus).

The Security Guard then attempts to Jump and he Barely Catches the Platform/Door of the Hanger.... but the Milburn Burster then Jumps and Climbs over the Guard, it looks Down to him and we see a Inner Mouth Appear and it Punctures the Guards Head, he then Falls into the Abyss of the Hanger.

We then cut to Vickers and Dr Shaw running and the Juggernaught Falling from the SKY..... Vickers is then Sprung on by the Milburn Burster and it Attacks her and she is on her Back Trying to Fend it Off.... then she sees the Juggernaught and Screams.... the Juggernaught then CRUSHES both of them.

What THESE Changes had done is make more of a Connection to Fifield/Black Goo and Organisms related to the Deacon..... it gives a Pay Off to the Hammerpede making it a Face Hugger or Sorts.   The Milburn Chest Burster is in Part Responsible for the Death of THREE.

We get to see more ALIENY Action but its NOT a Overload... by looking at the Monsters we can make more of a Connection to ALIEN and the Xenomorph.

But ALAS.....

The Mistake they Made in Hindsight after Prometheus was as i had Mentioned, they should have GONE back to LV-223 with a more ALIENY Movie that could IN PART then Close the Door to ALIEN and then it allows a 3rd Prequel to then go to WHERE we have David and Dr Shaw go and they would NOT be Shackled Down to Connect to ALIEN.

Is it possible we are all engineered as "Aliens" as an experiment ? A dangerous experiment just as the xenomorphs ? Just not as acutely deadly ? After all look at our reality. All it took to wipe life off of Earth was to contaminate it with humans. Had it been Xenomorphs, the death of the world would have just been quicker. Maybe we were created by Engineers as a bio weapon. When they saw David, they may have realized just how potentially deadly humans are, that we too had evolved to a point where we could also create, but ultimately are a destructive race.

Yeah, I also think the prequels are dead. That timeline just doesn't support enough xeno versus marines action.

 "i FEAR that the Prequels will NOT be Classed as Canon in 10 Years Time."

Yup. I think they will just be ignored. besides It was RS's idea to explore the backstory..... and i can guarantee you the majority of the fanbase just wanted an ALIENS type movie. IF we were shown some xenomorph action in 'Prometheus'....I don't think we'd be having this conversation. David and Shaw fleeing the xeno infestation on LV-223 would have led to many prequels (IMHO ).

Shaw "David we need off this moon!!"

David,  shooting another xeno "perhaps we locate another functioning spacecraft? There is another tomb not far from here"

Shaw "God I hate tombs!"

Shaw and David make for a tomb....

Well the SCOPE of the Engineers is MASSIVE.... but so is the Size of the Galaxy, the Engineers could be Located in other Places like 5000, 10'000 even 25'000 LY from Planet 4 and so they maybe would NOT see our Expansion as a Massive Threat, but they would be IF we could USE their Technology and Reverse Engineer it.

The Engineers could be Mainly Located in other Galaxies too....... the Engineers could RETURN to Planet 4 like every 200-500 Years.  Have they ever been back to Earth to check on us like 500, 1000 Years ago... and IF they did they would NOT see much to Worry about...

Our Technological Boom began 200 Years ago, and we have made Incremental Advancements since then... and Especially the Last 50 Years.

On a Galactic Scale... the Engineers could be Few and Far Between and our Galaxy is HUGE.....

I would have taken the Prometheus like 1300 Years to Reach the Center of our Galaxy and for the Covenant about 600-650 Years.  However as we Progress in the Franchise Time-Line the Ships get Faster.

Regarding to Actually see a SEQUEL.... i am NOT sure we would EVER see any or any Conclusion to the Prequels.  I think the NEXT ALIEN MOVIE we would ever see would be more like a ALIENS.... and i would NOT RULE OUT the Future of the Franchise being Rebooted as FAR as the Prequels... i FEAR that the Prequels will NOT be Classed as Canon in 10 Years Time.

If they involve the Engineers again.....I think their story needs to end ( killed / transcend / etc..).

Or..... Maybe this isn't the Engineers galaxy. They just arrived ( millions of years ago ... quick on the galactic timescale! ) and have yet to populate the galaxy ( just Earth and a few dozen planets).

Setting the Engineers up as the creators (seeding the galaxy! There're everywhere!) then dumping them after a few scenes is just bad. 

If RS sees a cool location then we'll likely see an Origae-6 movie.

Wherever they go...I'm 100% sure the next movie will have to include xeno's and marines.

"Yes...I agree, Planet 4 is established. Don't have to break the budget creating a new world (Origae-6 )"

I dont think that Origae-6 would COST a LOT to Create.... i would Imagine the World would be like the Location that Raised by Wolves or the First Planet of the Apes Movie were SHOT... and so it would be kind of Baron, more Desert like but it would have Water and Vegetation just it would NOT be a Lush Wooded Environment like Planet 4.  I assume this as Daniels wants to Build a Cabin on the Lake, so it has Water, but then they Determined that Planet 4 is more Suitable Beyond the Best Estimates for Origae-6.  I think the Planet would have NO Intelligent Species and it may have NOT as much Life as you would Expect to Find in a more Green/Cooler Climate.

The Problem with going to Origae-6 if the Events of this would IMPACT the Path to ALIEN is you ADD another 7+ Years to that Already TIGHT Deadline of up to 17 Years before the Nostromo turns up at LV-426 and thats WHY i WOULD give Origae-6 a PASS.

"The Engineers catching David and returning him to Planet 4 makes sense"

Who knows what the Engineers would DO if they Catch Him... i am sure IF they Discover he had Caused what Happened on Planet 4 and they would due to the Holographic Recording Tech.... then i SUSPECT they would just TEAR HIS HEAD OFF and SMASH IT UP!

As FAR as WHAT they would do with the Colonist.... well they COULD THINK........ like "Ok so you guys have Caused all this to OUR WORLD, we are Gonna take them Eggs and those Humans and Experiment with them or USE them to Create other Horrors"

I Suspect the Engineers see us as Insignificant...

They may be Intrigued by David/Walter though but IF they Discover that they (Synthetic Humans) are the Reasons for those Dead Engineers, then i think they would want to DESTROY them ASP!

How would they REACT if they came Across say Modified/Genetically Engineered Human Hybrids?   So they would see a Humanoid Form that THEY had NO PART in the Creation/Evolution of.... maybe they would be Intrigued/Interested?

I think having something SET on the Covenant could Work.... i Proposed a Idea some Years Ago....

David does begin to Experiment on some of the Colonist..... but his Experiments will GET OUT OF HAND......

We Begin the Plot/Story with the Covenant Floating in Space and it Arrives near Origae-6 (or maybe NOT) but something Happens to Awaken some of the Colonist, they go to Explore the SHIP and they Discover Horrors.... Parts of the Ship have been Quarantined Off... the Awoken Colonist then Discover as to WHY..... as they FIGHT to Survive the Menace of Xenomorphs..  They Discover in Cryo-Pods some Modified Human Hybrids.... who Pose a Threat too when ONE is Released from its SLUMBER...

Some of the Colonist then Discover... Walter he is Torn in Half.... he asks to be Repaired and Gives some Excuse to WHAT had Happened... as he is Repaired/Uploaded to another Body.....

They come Across Daniels... she is Incapacitated she is Mutated into a Hybrid and she then ASKS to be Killed..... but either Warns them.. or they Discover that Walter is NOT who he Claims... 

Its then just to Figure out the Ending..... does the Ship go and Crash on Origae-6? or another World?  The Surviving Colonist will Escape in the other Lander/Loader.............. or David Escapes in that... and the Colonist attempt to Crash Land the Covenant?

The Problem we have is HOW do you have the Engineers Involved.... that would be TOO MUCH to FIT into One Movie... UNLESS you RUSH or Sacrificed Parts.

One Solution is the Covenant goes to Near LV-223 but then SURELY as its Close then David would take Colonist etc down to LV-223?  so there would be LITTLE POINT in the PLOT i have Given!

The other OPTION would be that the Engineers will Turn Up at the END with Walter as some HOW he has been able to Inform the Engineers or where David/Covenant was going.... or that the Engineers gained this Information from Walter in some way.

The Problem is we are going to Origae-6 and so the END of this Movie would leave about 10 Years before the Nostromo will Arrive at LV-426.

For me you just LEAVE it so David/Covenant will go to Origae-6, well we SIMPLY do-not go and FOLLOW them....

Company Arrives at Planet 4... maybe with another Walter Unit.... they Discover Horrors, Davids Experiments etc ect.... and then Walter and Repair Him....

Some Scientist on the Mission have a Objective to OBTAIN a Specimen... and WALTER will Refuse to Allow that.... but he then gets into Conflict with the OTHER MODEL that is with the W-Y Science/Rescue Vessel..... who like ASH will Comply with Gaining the Specimen.

The Engineers can Return at the End of the 3rd Act to then SET-UP a Sequel... this Sequel will Conclude with going to LV-223 where the Engineers or Company/Synthetics will MASS PRODUCE the Eggs we see them Loaded to a SHIP and you can LEAVE IT at just that.....

The Events of these TWO Movies will be Closer to LV-426 and could TAKE PLACE like 3-5 Years after Alien Covenant...

"...Company/Engineers have MORE than Enough Eggs on Planet 4 "

Yes...I agree, Planet 4 is established. Don't have to break the budget creating a new world (Origae-6 ).

Walter is a Bishop like character and we need closure.

The Engineers catching David and returning him to Planet 4 makes sense. Maybe to stand trial? RS would probably like that. Also Shaw's grave is there and maybe a chance to do something with that angle. Plus plenty of spores.

"....WHAT HAPPENS when another Ship then Intercepts or Investigates the USCSS Covenant should it become a SPACE HULK..."

Yeah, that would make a good movie and easy on the budget. David and his creations versus marines. I'd pay to see it! 

Reanimated Peter Weyland would be a nice 3 or 4 page Dark Horse comic Halloween issue.....But I don't see Marvel doing anything cool like this.

Though with Marvel's "WHAT If..." series?? Alien would be a great for this.

Thanks for sharing such a helpful instruction, really appreciate for your article.

MCDVOICE

I have seen Strange Things a Number of Time.....

Been a Few Instances where i could NOT go and and say ok thats a Satellite or Space Debris or a Aircraft....

I have seen a Triangle UFO in 1996 but we call it the Dudley Dorito around my Parts..

A Alternative that has been Discussed before was that WOULD we see David wait to get to Origae-6 before he Attempts to Experiment on the Colonist?  Or would he do it DURING the Journey?

WHAT HAPPENS when things GET OUT of Control?

WHAT HAPPENS when another Ship then Intercepts or Investigates the USCSS Covenant should it become a SPACE HULK?

if there is an alien out there reading this please email me ryano1212@protonmail.com  only contact if you also fear the creator and worship him. I have friends you may like to talk to, physcisits who would be very interested to learn some stuff.

Regarding David as a Important Character then YES that what RS thought...

With the PLOT IDEA i Proposed as a Prometheus Sequel... then having a Mission go to LV-223 and to NOT go and follow David and Dr Shaw... does-not mean we CANT have Fassbender.... he could have came to LV-223 as another David Model... like Walter was...

If we go for a Alien Covenant 2 where we again DONT go where David is going, the Company could SEND in another Walter/David Model and we also have Walter on Planet 4.... what STATE is he in?

For me i think that going to Planet 4 again is the WAY to go NEXT!

The Company will KNOW a bit of WHAT it is that David has done.. the Advent Message seems to Indicate that Planet 4 is where the Company would FIND the WOLF that David has Created... it seems LIKELY they would go to Investigate.

We see that David is OFF to what we can ASSUME is Origae-6 and he has just the TWO Tiny Face Huggers....

Planet 4 has that Room that David had showed Oram the Eggs... there is like SIX of those at Least that Remain.... and THEN we have to ASK to WHERE was it that David had GOT the Tiny Face Huggers?   In his Workshop we see Tiny Eggs, and so HOW MANY MORE of those Tiny Eggs are there?

And so Planet 4 has MORE like Xenomorphs than David is Carrying with him on the Covenant.

To CONNECT to ALIEN..... we have to see Davids Xenomorph be Evolved a BIT and then END UP on the Derelict on LV-426 in their Thousands..... 

Well you DONT have to Follow David/Covenant to Conclude such a PLOT...

The Company/Engineers have MORE than Enough Eggs on Planet 4 to then take to LV-223 to Mass Produce and LOAD onto Ships... and we then KNOW what HAPPENS after this ;)

"Probably need a lot of canisters"

Ridley Scott had Claimed that it would NOT take a Lot....  The Juggernaught Model Ships seem to have 6 Cargo Holds and Ridley Scott had said that ONCE the Bio-Weapon gets into a Water Supply it can EFFECT a LARGE AREA.

With Alien Covenant then it seems David had Unleashed just a SINGLE CARGO HOLD, the Bio-Weapon seemed to NOT have a Large Radius as a Pathogen it would NOT have taken a LOT.... the Very First COVID19 Outbreak had came from a Small Source.... but the Black Goo seemed to be Different to a Pathogen/Virus like COVID.

With Prometheus and Comments by RS it seemed to Indicate the Pathogen can EFFECT a Large Area, but with Planet 4 then it Seemed to have a Different Effect than Expected.

We saw the Urns Explode and the Liquid from Prometheus had seemed to Become more a Mass of Particles it was more like Raining Down Black Grains of Sand than a Black Thick Liquid.  The Pathogen also seemed to look like it HIT a Invisible Dome before it Penetrated.

Could there had been a Force Field that Protects the City (well Courtyard) but it was NOT made to withstand a Black Goo Bombardment or it Failed?

The Pathogen seemed to Become a Thick Liquid of Sorts when it Infected the Engineers and it seemed to Replicate/Grow in Amount and then seemed to Explode/Escape from the Engineers and then Spread to Infect others.

But all the Bodies by the Time the Covenant Arrive seemed to be Turned to like Stone.... well they Dried Out like some Amphibians can.

This is NOT what you Expect from Prometheus........but IF you knew of a Pathogen that is Organic and Infects Organic Matter and can Spread via Organic Matter, then HOW could you STOP IT?   If there was something you could CAUSE that would DESTROY all Organic Matter..... make all Cells/Molecules become DEAD then they could Prevent the Spread and also HALT the Pathogen.

If you had something that would RENDER say Genetic Material in way to Crystallize it, or Dehydration Organic Matter... then maybe the Pathogen can NO LONGER be Effective?

Take the Gekko on the Right.... if this was Infected with some Virus etc but there was something that Could Instantly Dry it out like the Left then Chances are the Virus would also be Halted.

If the Engineers had a SAFETY DEVICE like this... and they Activated it then this could EXPLAIN why the Engineers looked like Dried Out Mummies... and then WHY it was that David was able to Find Life on the Planet and some Alive Engineers.

Such a Safety Device could have a RADIUS and so Everything within so MANY MILES could be Effected.... Apart from Engineers who are away from the Radius or they are WITHIN a PLACE that is Shielded from it....

Thats NOT to say this is Correct.... it could be that those Urns in that Cargo Hold were Activated in a Certain Way or Programed a Certain Way to do what we saw in Alien Covenant.

The Neomorph Spores seem to come about from Knocked Over/Leaking Urns in another Cargo Hold after the Juggernaught had Crashed and its Contents then Infected/Mutated some Fungi Spores that had Developed.  The Neomorph Spores are something you would Expect from seeing Prometheus and HOW the Leaking Urns had Affective Organic Life.

"I think you are giving the writers too much credit! lol!"

Indeed this has Happened in all the Sequels to ALIEN.... when they Need a Plot they come up with something for Plot Convenience without giving it MUCH of a Thought because we are MAYBE just NOT supposed to ANALYZE the Movies too much ;)

"Zombie Peter Weyland would be cool!"

Ha Ha..... Yeah who knows what the Black Goo can do... when somebody Dies it takes TIME for all their Cells to Die and Decay......  If you say had COVID and someone had Died and you Tried to give them the KISS OF LIFE then while they could NOT be Saved.... you could still had Passed the Virus to them and the Virus would be able to Reproduce/Spread with the Fresh Host... even after Death... Unless they had been Dead for Long Enough that their Cells begin to Die/Degrade etc...

So YEAH maybe the Goo could bring Weyland back to LIFE.... and HOW like IRONIC would that be.... he wanted Immortality or Extra Life and he is Resurrected as a Zombiefied Horror.

Peter Weylands body aboard the juggernaut: Probably crushed or pulped from the collision and surface tumble! Maybe the Deacon fed off it for awhile and there is nothing left ( egg morphed? Peter is in the cycle of life ) OR some black goo canisters opened during the tumble and some goo covered his body and reanimated it...Zombie Peter Weyland would be cool!