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That Raises some Good Points....

What we can Establish is that Planet 4 is within a Years Travel from Earth for at LEAST a Number of Earth Ships, if we say its within a 50/75LY Radius from Planet 4 then the Question is HOW MANY of Mankinds Ships are in Space and within that Radius by the Time the Engineers Return?

And so it would be HOW would the Engineers Determine which is the Covenant and also DEPENDING on WHEN the Engineers Return the Covenant would LIKELY be 40LY per Year Further Away.

You could say they would JUST have a WAY to Scan Worlds and Detect Humanoid Life, but the Problem here is AGAIN.... depending on WHEN the Engineers will come back its HOW are they going to TELL the Covenant Colony from any OTHER such Colonies and Outposts that Mankind is Based on within say 100-150LY?

A LAZY WORK AROUND is that Planet 4 has some kind of Observatory that Detected the Covenant Ship and has a IMAGE of it, as well as maybe a Specific Signature so it can THEN go and PIN POINT the Ship.

I am going to DOUBT they would have given us a PLOT where the Engineers or even the Company would Intercept the Covenant before it has reached Origae-6.

Another way around all of this is as YOU had Pointed Out..... we have David take the Covenant Ship to LV-223.

Regarding the RESTART with New Characters.... i agree thats a Problem....

A Consequence of making Alien Covenant a Prequel to ALIEN and to Introduce the Xenomorph is that a Majority of People would EXPECT that the Sequel would have EVEN MORE of them..... i am NOT SURE as to how many FANS would want to SIT through a Movie that has Little/Nothing to do with the Xenomorph, before we then Move to another Movie that MAY then give us more Xenomorphs and the LV-426 Incident.

And so to have a Movie that Revolves around David, then some Fans may be WANTING to know WHAT kind of Horrors he has in Store for the Covenant Colonist.  While some Fans (Quite a Lot) are TOTALLY against the David being Involved in the Xenomorph Creation Plot.....

Fans are likely to WANT to see a Sequel that has more ALIENY Content than even we saw with Alien Covenant.  IF they are to see David go off and SET UP the Colony while Pretending to be Walter, and then IF we see David go and TRY and Create something that is NOT the Xenomorph then i am NOT sure that Fans in General would be interested.... it would be WHAT HAS THAT GOT TO DO WITH ALIEN?

The Problem with such a PLOT as above... is HOW does Daniels come into Play?   As she knows its DAVID on the Covenant...... so she could be a Problem for HIM and IF she SUFFERS some Fate and David goes to Tennessee that she Died in Cryo-Sleep then i think HE would become Suspicious.

The Characters of Daniels and Tennessean also NEVER really SOLD to a lot of Fans.... and so ONLY what becomes of David/Walter seem to Stand Out.

If we are SET to have another 2-3 Movies before ALIEN then its WHO would Survive to Carry On?

And so we have some Problems as FAR as what to do NEXT......

Ridley Scott seemed to Indicate that we would be seeing WHAT it is that David would want to Create Next and it would NOT be about Xenomorphs.  But that we would see Returning Engineers who would also TURN UP as well as 2-3 other Players.... and so HOW does this Pan Out?

What Role does the Xenomorph Play if ANY?  How do you FIT it into a Movie or would the PLOT take TWO and then its can you Engage the Fans through the First if we are NOT going to have Xenomorphs?

The NEXT MOVIE has to Depend on these Factors...

1) Where does David intend to go NEXT and what would be his Agenda?

2) What is the Companies Response to the ADVENT Message and would they Send out Ships and to WHERE?

3) When do the Engineers Return and WHAT would be their Response?

With (2) + (3) we can have a Good Guess at what they would do... but with DAVID, well that Really is Interesting as WHAT is his Agenda and Plans as these are WHAT would Determine as to WHERE we go NEXT and WHAT we are in STORE for.

And well with the CONCLUSION then IF its to NOT go and Conflict with the Franchise and Especially as of ALIENS and on-wards....

We have to ASK....

a) What becomes of Planet 4?

b) What becomes of LV-223?

c) What becomes of Origae-6?

d) What becomes of David?

e) What becomes of the Engineers?

I'm wondering about the fan backlash from bypassing David, it's like bypassing / ending Shaw's storyline...."were stuck...so...NEW CHARACTERS!"

Bypassing David is also ending Daniels and Tee...like Shaw. 

I don't think the Engineers are going to allow Daniels and the Covenant to return home or travel on?

I think the Engineers would quickly decide Earth is the problem. It's the location of the ant hill and they are going to deal with more colonists and synths soon.

"The Nostromo / Prometheus had no such nonsense."

They kind of did..... Prometheus it was the STAR MAPS that Dr Shaw and Holloway had Uncovered and with ALIEN it was Special Order 937

But i think the POINT you are making is that the Solar Flare/Neutrino Burst had got them to have to REPAIR the Solar Sails and this then Allowed for the Dr Shaw Signal to be Picked Up....

Some of the Plot was NOT that well thought out but we have such Problems with ALIENS, Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection.  We have to Accept that the Engineers had some kind of Cloaking Technology that was able to HIDE the Planet, and the Neutrino Burst some how allowed for Dr Shaws Message to be Carried and Picked Up by the Covenant.

They had to have the Covenant be close (Few Weeks) away from Planet 4 and come up with a Reason to HOW they would then Investigate this World instead of to Continue to Origae-6, maybe they could have came up with a Better Idea.

And so by Following David to Origae-6 they have another such PROBLEM... like HOW would the Engineers know to GO there in search of David.

The Engineers could Check their Holographic Recordings and they would then Determine that TWO HUMANS had been on the Ship that Bombarded Planet 4 and so they would LOOK to Punish maybe ALL HUMANS.... then we have to ASK as to was the Earth the ONLY Place they are aware that Humans inhabit?

They would LIKELY come across Walter (what STATE is he in) and they could LIKELY think it was HIM who had Bombarded the Engineers.  The Most Logical way the Engineers would Determine they have to go to Origae-6 to catch the CULPRIT would be IF there was some way that Walter could Communicate with the Engineers and INFORM them of WHO had Destroyed the Cities inhabitants and WHERE it is that David is going.

By BYPASSING where David goes you AVOID the Need for any of that... you have the Company Send a Mission  to Planet 4...... then some Engineers Turn Up....   At the END we have them take a Interest in those Eggs on Planet 4 and take them to LV-223 to MASS PRODUCE.

"...10 Years Prior and so the Company would have surely Detected the Planet like WAY before the Covenant Mission..."

Light from Planet 4 would only be a quarter of the way to the telescopes in orbit around Earth....It'll be the 2040's before the light hits the Earth.

The small detectors / telescopes on the Covenant, aren't really set up for long distances ( they already know where they are headed ) and more or less, act as a cataloging of systems that the Covenant passes. ( Would be my guess)

 AND I don't like the plot convenience of recharging the Covenant! The Nostromo / Prometheus had no such nonsense. 

"But i dont think a LOT of People would want to WATCH a Movie about David and WHAT he has Planned for the Colony/Colonist that will NOT be about Xenomorphs"

100% agree.

If they skip a David story. What's the logical next prequel movie?

"I think they'll just do some sort of instantaneous travel trope "

I think this Causes a Problem though......  UNLESS its HOW i had mentioned when the Destruction of LV-223 would Cause a Temporary Rift in Space Time.

Then you KILL TWO BIRDS with just the ONE STONE ;)

The Plot Hole/Loose End about WHY after ALIEN they NEVER went to LV-223 would be Taken Care of, and the Derelict is then FLUNG into the PAST via a ONE OFF EVENT and so this Takes Care of the Derelict looking like its been on LV-426 for a LONG TIME.

"Mistake 1 :The odds that the Covenant just happened to be flying near Planet 4"

They have to make Choices to give us something for Plot Convenience and WELL this is NOT as BAD as the Mystery of the Eggs on the Sulaco in Alien 3 and the Ability to CLONE someone to then be Carrying a Xenomorph Queen from Alien Resurrection.

They Needed some Humans who would NOT be a Platoon of Marines, and they also Needed to come up with a WAY they would END UP where David was.

"David killing the Engineers also dropped Planet 4's cloaking shield"

I think thats a Decent Explanation, but i think we have to Remember that David had Bombarded the Engineers 10 Years Prior and so the Company would have surely Detected the Planet like WAY before the Covenant Mission had SET OFF.

I think regarding were we WAS to GO NEXT....

Ridley Scott seemed to indicate we would go with David to Origae-6 where its LIKELY that he would be on Origae-6 for some TIME, before other Human Ships/Missions arrive and then the Engineers.

It seemed that the NEXT MOVIE would NOT have been about the Xenomorph but this does-not mean that we would NOT see any, just they may PLAY a Smaller Role if at all.  The Interesting thing is that RS had said the PLOT/STORY was being Written and Underway....

He indicated it would be about A.I and Creation and What KIND of World that David would Create, and to me i think this means he would Artificially Engineer those Human Embryo's into something ELSE.... but they WONT be Xenomorphs.

But i dont think a LOT of People would want to WATCH a Movie about David and WHAT he has Planned for the Colony/Colonist that will NOT be about Xenomorphs.

But latter we saw RS seem to Change his Mind because he said it has to be about HIM but you have to EVOLVE HIM..... he then said you have to LOOK at Different Ways of Procreation and so i would ASSUME that RS was talking about the Xenomorph.

The Advent seems to Indicate that David has a Objective to PERFECT HIS QUEEN and so it would be Interesting to Discover as to WHAT this is.... because i DONT think that RS would give us the Cameron's Queen and i think he would also go and Explore the Egg Morph Route.

If he Creates a Hybrid that can INFECT say Organic Matter to then have them Mutate into Eggs then this could be a Convenient Way to Turn those Colonist into EGGS......

I can see the the writers of Alien:Covenant continuing to Origae-6. They botched the David/Shaw/Home of the Engineers/Prometheus 2 plot line so badly, that they will continue to pile on their mistakes!  They'll just 'hand wave' David and his monsters to where they need them.         ( Mistake 1 :The odds that the Covenant just happened to be flying near Planet 4 with it's recharging sails deployed and a one in a billion star event just happened to occur, so they had to fix their sails, so they just happened to pick up a signal....is laughable. The Covenant could always be looking for suitable planets and David killing the Engineers also dropped Planet 4's cloaking shield allowing Shaw's signal and Planet 4 light curve to reach the Covenant. Simple)

Great points.

I think all of them can be answered...but probably not in the theater, more likely comic books or novels. *sad face*...But If these questions are answered, it'll make me ( and a bunch of fans ) feel a whole lot better about the alien verse.

"....ONLY just 10 Years until the Nostromo Arrives..."

I think they'll just do some sort of instantaneous travel trope ( wormhole, space rift, SUPER juggernaut, etc..) to get David back to LV-426( if they go that route ).

There can be WAYS to take care of PLOT HOLES......

Like WHY does the Company NOT go to LV-223 instead of LV-426?

SIMPLE:  At the Conclusion we have it that SOMEONE has Destroyed LV-223 but the Destruction has TORN a Temporary Hole in SPACE/TIME and the DERELICT has Managed to Escape LV-223 but the Resulting Tear in the Fabric of Space has SENT the Derelict back THOUSANDS of YEARS..... and then the Space Jockey begins to Realize what his FATE is and SETS a Course to Quarantine the Cargo on LV-426

Well there are MANY such Questions like this.....

1) WHY has the Company NOT Investigated LV-426 after the Failed Special Order 937 and Destruction of the Nostromo?

2) WHY had the Company NOT gone to Investigate LV-223 after the Disappearance of the Prometheus?

3) WHY had the Company NOT gone to Investigate LV-223 after the Advent Message from David?

4) WHY had the Company NOT gone to Investigate Planet 4 after the Advent Message from David?

5) WHAT had led to Special Order 937 as the Company maybe Knew about what was on LV-426 and its likely to have came about as a Aftermath of WHAT they do after they Investigate in response to Davids Advent Message!

In ALIENS DC we see the Jordans go and ENTER the Derelict via a HOLE in its HULL and this HOLE looks like the Result of a Explosion to me.  So this could be USED as a SET UP for a Mission where the Company had gone back to the Derelict and in the END had Attempted to BLOW IT UP from the Inside.

But in Context to the TOPIC it was to LOOK at what do we DO NEXT after the Events of ALIEN COVENANT which will LEAD to the Derelict on LV-426

Ridley Scott had Indicated we are 2-3 Movies away from ALIEN and that the NEXT ONE would NOT be about Xenomorphs, it would be about where David is going and WHAT KIND of a WORLD he would Create/Build.

It would also be about A.I but its to Remember that he sees the Replicants as A.I and so that means he seems A.I as a Intelligent Life that is Artificially Created and so NOT NECESSARILY ROBOTS.

But he also Indicates we will ARRIVE at the Back Door to ALIEN at the Conclusion and we WILL KNOW who is in that PILOT CHAIR and WHY/WHEN the Derelict had LANDED on LV-426.  But also that the Xenomorph in Alien Covenant has some EVOLVING to do YET and that we have NOT YET reached the Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic.

This seems to Indicate the Next Movie would FOLLOW where David is going and IF this is Oriage-6 in the Covenant then by the TIME he Arrives we have ONLY just 10 Years until the Nostromo Arrives.

So as Discussed before...... i think that AVOIDING where David is going would be the BEST ROUTE to Connect to ALIEN.

There are EGGS on Planet 4 and its LIKELY the Company would SEND someone to Planet 4 and also RS had said the Engineers would eventually RETURN to FIND their our KIND on Planet 4 have been Slaughtered.

Eggs:

The whole alien verse breaks after the destruction of the Nostromo.  The company, the computers ( MUTHURS ), synth builders, friends and family would have wanted to know what happened to it and the crew ( not to mention the cargo ). Special order 937 and the death of agent Ash would have tipped them off that this needs to be investigated thoroughly and it would have been child's play to follow the events that lead to the destruction.

So I think there's a movie or two in the months after the Nostromo's demise.

"You mean that the Engineers used the goo on themselves to evolve? Interesting, I look at the upper image."

You have to LOOK at what they was doing!

The PLOT is about Creation, and Playing God, and Immortality and if you look at Weyland then surely he would WANT to Discover a WAY to Extend his Life.... i am sure in 5000 Years that Humans would LIVE for Longer than 80-100 Years.. with Advancements in Technology/Medicine etc.

The Xenomorph as a Efficient Pest Control is NOT that Ideal....

The Engineers are said to have been using LV-223 and the Black Goo as something they can WIPE the Slate Clean and RESET a World.

They already Possessed the PERFECT TOOL for that Job!

The LV-223 Engineers looked more Enhanced than Planet 4 and they also had that Pressure Suit that seemed to be Fused with their Bodies and has some Aesthetic of the Xenomorph and so its LIKELY they had Engineered this from something they was Experimenting on.

They could have ENCOUNTERED a Organism they HAD-NOT been Involved in the Creation of and SAW some Potential in this Organism for some Reason and they BEGAN to Experiment with this Organism..... which maybe Predates the Deacon etc.

If we look at RIPLEY 8 then she appears to be the most Perfect Humanoid we have seen, she can Regenerate, she has Greater Strength and Speed than a Human.  But the KICKER.... she seemed to HAVE some of the Memories of RIPLEY.

She is in a WAY a Reincarnation of Ripley but in a more Enhanced Form.

If the ORIGINS to the Xenomorph/Deacon etc was a Organism which we see EVENTUALLY had Led to RIPLEY 8 then this would OFFER the Engineers a way to Enhance themselves and also to have like a Pseudo Resurrection/Rebirth.

So you can LOOK BEYOND the Xenomorph as just a KILLING MACHINE. By Uplifting the Origins of where it came from (MURAL/FRESCO) in Prometheus.

"I would rather see new monsters and the Engineers rather than to repeat the same thing again and again"

I think that YES what RS was trying to do with Prometheus was to EXPAND the Franchise to STEER AWAY from the Xenomorph the Vanilla-Morph, this does-not mean there would NOT have been Horrors... just they would have LIKELY been Different to the Xenomorph.   The Engineers Plot does OPEN UP the Potential for MANY WORLDS..... Many Races and Conflicts.

In Regards to the OT.... its looking at WHERE do they GO with the Franchise?

Before the Prequels we are LED to Conclude (Theatrically)

LV-426 = Xenomorph Eggs, LV-426 = Destroyed, Ripley = Last Queen =Dead!

Thus 200 Years after they CLONE her to Obtain a Queen, the EVENTS of AR would = Destroyed USM Auriga  and THUS..... No Xenomorphs!

So it seems that Blomkamp and Giler/Hill had got into a Pickle.. as to HOW can we have a ALIEN MOVIE with what we Assume the Derelict Gone?

Blomkamp seemed to indicate that Humans do Recover either the Derelict or they Discover another SHIP..... his PLOT had Potential.....  and Originally it was to NOT have Ripley, but after he Pitched it to Miss Weaver then he Changed the STORY so that Ripley and Co would all have Survived and THUS it would Remove the Movies Alien 3 and Alien R from Canon!

I dont agree with that Direction.........

Ridley Scott with Prometheus had FELT we had seen the Xenomorph enough and it was TIME to Explore the Space Jockey Race and the Engineers Plot became a Reality and this was a Interesting way to EXPAND the Franchise.

The Change of the PLOT to make a Literal Chronological Set of Prequels to ALIEN was a Mistake..... and AC has left the Franchise in a Pickle...

IF you are LOOKING to make a 5th ALIEN MOVIE then you have to ASK as to WHERE can you GO and the Prequels are Canon (intended) and so they DO GIVE OPTIONS to HOW you can Explore the Franchise.

The Problem comes with FANS and IF they are ONLY going to want to see the Return of the Vanilla-Morph and if we go that Route then we can ASK?

1) Is the Derelict Totally Void as FAR as Obtaining a Specimen? 

It would have to be some Hundreds of Years after the Destruction of Hadleys Hope but you could go back to LV-426 and try and Recover the Derelict and then its HOW VIABLE are the Eggs and can you TRY and Obtain a Xenomorph from what is left?  This seems in Part what Blomkamps Idea was and the Red Harvest Project.

2) Was the Derelict the ONLY such Ship to have been Loaded with Eggs?

And so if there were Others then WHERE are THEY?

3) If we accept Alien Covenant as Canon, then there are Eggs on Planet 4.

And the Engineers will LIKELY be Returning and so WHAT do they THINK about those Eggs?  Would they TAKE them somewhere and would that ONLY lead to LV-223/426?

4) Could the Company Obtain a Xenomorph or Engineer something from the Dead Face Huggers on Fury 161?

But a way around that would be that Ripley got the Prisoners etc to DESTROY it all.

5) After the Destruction of the USM Auriga has some of the Wreckage Survived? and can they Obtain a Specimen from the DNA of anything related to the Xenomorph?

And so those are a FEW Examples of HOW you can BRING BACK the Xenomorph, you dont have to Reboot/Retcon anything.

For me............... IF i was the ONE who OWNS the Franchise thats what i would do, i would allow David to go to Origae-6 and there would be a Continuation of his Story Arc that would NOT have to be Covered on Screen.... it could remain a Mystery.  Or eventually it could be Explored in a Movie that is DIFFERENT and does-not have to be about Xenomorphs.

Where i would TAKE the Next Movie or Movies would be to Planet 4 you can have a Very ALIENY Movie.... that then would lead to the Engineers taking the Eggs to LV-223 where they would EVOLVE and Mass Produce them..... this would then MAKE the Engineers the FINAL CREATORS of the Xenomorph as they Evolve Davids Creation which he Created from the Blue-Prints/Deacon/Neomorph and Black Goo.   So David becomes the MIDDLE MAN.

Regarding the Broader Plot then YES there is POTENTIAL... and RS had felt the ALIEN Franchise could be as BIG as Star Wars/Star Trek and by that i think he means in Terms of Worlds/Races and Conflicts.

The Earth is surely NOT the ONLY such World the Engineers have Created/Evolved and Interacted with Humanoid Life, the Earth may even NOT be the ONLY place where there are Humans (Prior to 20th Century) and DO WE EVEN COME FROM EARTH?

The Engineers Plot seemed to NOT be about them Creating Horrific Bio-Warfare this seems to be just a SUB-PLOT.

The likelihood of the Engineers being DEAD is SLIM... and RS even Confirms they are NOT all Dead....

Looking at the MAP ABOVE....... our SUN/SOLAR SYSTEM is Located within the YELLOW DOT, the Diameter of this DOT is 250LY and so the ALIEN FRANCHISE has taken Place so FAR in LESS than a 5th of this YELLOW DOT.

The Engineers have STAR MAPS to other Galaxies and so we can ASSUME they can Travel to the Furthest Reaches of our Galaxy.  So for a Race who have been going around for MANY MILLIONS of Years and Seeding Worlds then the RED CIRCLE is but just 1750LY and so thats 35+ Times Larger than we have Explored in the Franchise (Theatrically) and so you see its just a DROP in the OCEAN to what POTENTIALLY the Engineers have Explored...

So YES its LIKELY there are MANY WORLDS in the Galaxy where there would be Engineers and their Creations.

"How many Xenomorphs / eggs are active?"

This is a Question that has somewhat Changed with the Prequels... but WHEN we GET to those Eggs on the Derelict and WHEN they GOT on the Ship, then we can ASK....

Was the Derelict the ONLY one that was Loaded with Eggs?

BD

It isn't wrong to try to expand the franchise (Engineers for example) but to try to turn it into a tale of a mad robot is a really bad direction. I wouldn't care to watch it if someone had told me that it was the direction that they would take Covenant into. Ridley just screws things up when he’s trying to interfere with the story, so he should stay away from it, but I guess that Fox also had a role in messing it up. Yea I don't think that's what Scott wanted, but maybe it would have been better as a movie on its own or make another franchise. The themes mean nothing if the story and characters don't work, although having the themes in an alien-movie isn't wrong in itself, but you got to execute it well, which AC didn't.

You mention throw-away characters, but most of them were like that in Covenant except for Oram, David, Daniels (maybe), and Walter. Lope could be brought up, but he doesn't count to me since he had no personality even though he had some screen-time but so have the storm-troopers in Star Wars. :D Prometheus had the same problem, you mention that Prometheus wasn't that bad, but I disagree. Prometheus and Covenant have a lot of the same problems, the main thing is that Prometheus doesn't have a mad robot as the creator of the monster.

"The Studio also thinking this is WHAT the Fans want."

A reason why the studio should just finance it and not have a say in the story. Money matter but if you get someone that understands writing you increase your chances to get a good movie. The studios seem to have that backwards, and maybe that's why we get what we get, at least sometimes.

I would rather see new monsters and the Engineers rather than to repeat the same thing again and again (more Xenos, another Derelict, and so on). You mention a TV-series, if they will just focus on the Xeno then they might just forget it. Didn't Saw do the same thing? Jigsaw returning seven times, whatever number of movies they did. Get someone that can expand the franchise and move away from what we've seen a lot of times.

The Xenomorph is Iconic... i just Wonder as to HOW OFTEN can you just Rinse and Repeat?”

Maybe if you make something tied to the Engineers you can take that and spin it into a different direction but keeping that dread? Keep the theme of people getting into situations that they are not prepared for mentally, or what kind of equipment they have. In case you will have them fighting against androids they should be a part of a company run by humans, but the androids is not what it should be about. To put it in a different way, there can be androids, but they shouldn't be what it's about.

That seems to be a mix of a zombie survival (dead abandoned city) movie mixed with Alien meets transformers. X vengeance sounds like Transformers X - Vengeance of Megatron.

You mean that the Engineers used the goo on themselves to evolve? Interesting, I look at the upper image.

I'd probably let David go to the Origae system. Let him world build the surrounding systems. I don't know how many years it would take to make a massive super colony, maybe four or five hundred? Enough time to slip him into the timeline 2430's up, ready for Alien 5....But I'm not sure even I would do that movie! Probably a comic book.

There's just so many unanswered questions in the Alien verse at the moment. 

No other sci fi franchise has this many blank spots.

Star Wars? Star Trek? The same: Trillions of humans and aliens traveling around doing stuff...always a war or crisis going on.

Alien verse?: We guess there are a billion humans on Earth doing stuff ( Humans don't like Earth....But why?!? ). Are the Engineers alive or dead? How many Xenomorphs / eggs are active? 1 or 2? hundreds? Trillions?

"What If: The Engineers were using the other planets in the Planet 4 system, for testing"

I would say the Engineers can Traverse Space with Ease and so would NOT have to Conduct any Tests on their Doorstep..... but saying that it would seem that LV-223/LV-426 are NOT that FAR from Planet 4.

LV-223 had about 5 Temple Complexes, we do-not know HOW MANY of them have Ships Docked or as to HOW MANY such Ships are Docked to Each Complex....  But we do have David indicate there are MANY more Ships left.

LV-426 is likely to be just a BARON MOON that the Derelict just Ended Up having to LAND ON after the Pilot becomes Infected.

The Conclusion to the Prequels i would ASSUME would see a Engineer Ship (becomes the Derelict) leaving LV-223 but then the Pilot realizes they are about to GIVE BIRTH and so they SET THE SHIP down on LV-426.

There could be a WHOLE LOT of Stuff that goes on Prior to that and Post the END of Alien Covenant, which may Require 2 Movies.... but its a Case of WHAT would these have Shown and would we be looking at it being DRAGGED OUT too much........... so YES by either.

1) David Not going to Origae-6 (No Need if his Agenda is to Create Xenomorphs to Destroy Mankind).

2) Not Following David to Origae-6 (there are Eggs are Planet 4).

You can CUT OUT quite a BIT of Unnecessary Plot/Story to get us to LV-426

You could come to like Nearly Full Circle.

Yeah a trip to Origae-6 just takes too long in the timeline.

The Calpamos system has yet to be fully checked ( Alien timeline ).

If Hadley's Hope survey team missed the derelict on LV-426, then there could be multiple derelicts or tombs,  pyramids, etc.. 

How many tombs on LV-223? They're out in the open and the Engineers didn't feel they need to hide them. Seems like they just came out of orbit right next to one....Did David find the closest one and failed to tell them other locations?

Calpamos probably has a asteroid belt ( a failed or destroyed planet ?) that could contain more Engineer tech. 

Planet 4 system:

Did the Engineers have stuff on the surrounding moons? I'm sure they probably left some other footprint in the system?

Four other planets in the system that need to be checked ( world building these would be fun! )and the asteroid belts. Could be cool stuff on each world.

What If: The Engineers were using the other planets in the Planet 4 system, for testing? Couple of planets with failed seeding....filled grotesque monsters / humanoids. or their unwanted junk / prisoners.

I think there are Avenues for a ALIEN V they just have to give it some Thought ;)

I think we can Assume that LV-223 is NOT that FAR from Planet 4 and so MAYBE it takes David just Weeks to get there...... If he Informs the Company they are OFF to Origae-6 then by the Time they Receive the Message then David would be on LV-223 for like at least 15 Months.

IF we go for this PLOT... then David could maybe LAND the Covenant on the Surface to LV-223 and then have the SHIP still being Operational, the Colonist and Embryo's would still be kept in Cryo-Sleep etc.  And so he could then TAKE them like ONE at a TIME to a Outpost on LV-223 or even take what he Needs from a Outpost to the Covenant Ship on the Surface.

However with David giving them the ADVENT Message you can Assume the Company would SEND a Mission to LV-223 and Planet 4...... but David would have like 18-24 Months on LV-223 to CREATE his Horror Show.... Waiting for the Company to Arrive.

When it comes down to USING the Juggernauts..... well its a Case of HOW do you keep the Colonist in Cryo-sleep?  We know that David knows how because he did this with Dr Shaw but it would Depend on HOW MANY of the Cryo-Pods are there on the SHIP.... we see just FOUR.

IF we see David Manage to Perfect his Queen (find a WAY to Produce Many Eggs in a Efficient Manner) then he would ONLY need to Infect a Handful of Colonist, and then awaken the Rest and they would soon Fall Foul to the Eggs that his Queen can Develop.

So IF we see David go to LV-223 and Create a Horror Show then when the Company Arrive they could be in a PICKLE....

Regarding the Engineers they can Return in a Time that Suits the PLOT... so they can Return to Planet 4 after David has Created a Army on LV-223.

You have to look at the PLOT from their POV.

They would Arrive and be able to Determine that the Juggernaught had Unleashed the Pathogen and came from LV-223, they would be able to Determine a Human likeness of the Stowaways on the Juggernaught (Hologram of David and Dr Shaw) the Humanoid Remains, the Human likeness of Walter and Dr Shaws Corpse.

They would KNOW that some Humans had got to LV-223 and so they would Dispatch a Mission to LV-223 to Investigate and MAYBE go and Render LV-223 NULL and VOID.

They would WANT to go and FIND which World these Humans came from... THIS is Easy if the Earth is the ONLY Place that has Humans (where the Engineers had Seeded them) if there are MORE then they would go and Investigate Every World where Humans had been Placed.... maybe they would Determine to DESTROY all the Worlds that have Humans...

For THIS then maybe (likely) they go to LV-223 to go GET to their Juggernauts to Unleash Hell on the Worlds they will be going to to ERADICATE Mankind.

So a PLOT like what you said MonsterZero would likely lead to the Company and Engineers all arriving at LV-223 at some Point..... if David goes there he would get their BEFORE any of them.... then he has the Tools and Souls to Create his Army.

The Route to Origae-6 would be more Complicated and Eat Up the TIME-LINE because it would be the Year 2112 and so 10 Years before ALIEN. And another Problem is HOW do the Engineers now where the Covenant is going?

IF they arrive at Planet 4 while the Covenant is NOT FAR then thats Game Over for David.... IF the Covenant is on Origae-6 or NOT FAR from it then its HOW can the Engineers know where David would be?

Does David have any GOO? on the Covenant or goes back to Planet 4 for some?

Can David go and Create more Xenomorphs from just TWO FACE HUGGERS?

So then while he is on Origae-6 its HOW do we get Xenomorphs, and then a Engineer Ship arrives at Origae-6 and the AFTERMATH the Ship would then have to be Heading to LV-223 either with Numerous Eggs (but HOW) or just a Few where they can be Mass Produced on LV-223.

This would NOT leave LONG in the Time-Line before ALIEN... like what 5-9 Years?

Calpamos gets my vote.

Back on LV-223 David can transfer the Covenant crew to a juggernaut...then send the Covenant into the local star, disposing of the evidence. ( A juggernaut should be faster and creepier and his experiments shouldn't require a hydroponics bay. He will evolve them so they can do without the niceties of the Covenant. )

Engineers would easily catch and destroy the Covenant.....If David (using the maps ) found a scorpion ship or an upgraded juggernaut type...I think he might out run them ( for awhile ). Covenant having to deploy solar collectors once in awhile, makes a lame travelling vessel. I'd dump it ASAP.

IF the AFTERMATH and Sequels to Alien Covenant do Eventually lead to ALIEN then i Suspect the PATHS above are LIKELY.

Looking at the SET UP

David (as Walter) has Contacted the Company to Inform them of a Solar Flare Accident that has KILLED all but TWO of the Crew and that the Covenant is on its way to Origae-6

David as himself as then SENT a Encoded Message (The ADVENT) that informs the Company of who he is, about the Prometheus having No Survivors and about the WORK he has been doing in Creating the Xenomorph.  He has informed them that should they Pursue his Creation it could RULE the Galaxy.

It will take the Company 16-17 Months to Receive the Messages giving David that plus about 11-12 Months Head Start on them.

IF we see David go to Oriage-6 then it would take him 88 Months before he Arrives.  Assuming he will go there and in the Covenant.

IF the Company has Ships that are as Fast as the Covenant/Nostromo then it would take them about 11 Months to reach Planet 4.

We can Assume it would take them about 10-12 Months to reach Calpamos (LV-223/426).

IF we are looking at Planet 4 to Calpamos (LV-223/426) then they could be close maybe just Weeks Away.... as Planet 4 is in the Vicinity of the Zeta Reticuli System too.

Looking at the Drafts.....

Origae-6 is about 280LY from Earth, it takes about 7 Charge Cycles to get to there in the Draft (40LY per Cycle).  In Alien Covenant we are 9 Cycles in Total

So we can ONLY go and Assume that Origae-6 is up to 360LY away.  But then the Draft could mean that they are Currently 240LY from Earth so a Cycle is every 240LY or it could mean that Origae-6 is 240LY away?

Going by the Advent then Planet 4 seems to be NEAR the Zeta Reticuli Systems.  Each Charge of the Covenant happens every 11 Months.

Zeta 2 is just over 39LY from Earth so i think we can Safely Assume each Recharge is about 40LY and so Planet 4 and LV-223 are about the 40-45LY Ball Park from Earth.

Origae-6 likely thus 360LY away.

The Engineers are due to Return to Planet 4 prior to ALIEN and so they could Turn Up in 5-15 Years i Assume.  Their Ships should be able to Travel to LV-223 in Days i Assume, Certainly Quicker than Earth Ships.

"To me, that is all he needs. A supply of black goo and juggernauts"

I think it Depends on WHAT you mean by Outposts/Colonies.....

If the Engineers Return to Discover what has Happened on Planet 4 then they SURELY would be UPSET... to say the Least.... HOW do they know who is Responsible would DEPEND on them being able to Determine if those Human Bodies on Planet 4 (Covenant Crew) are from Earth?  Thats Easy if the Earth is the ONLY Place the Engineers had Seeded Humans.

Or do they GO OUT and Destroy Every Creation they have Made?  To be on the Safe Side, or just GO and LOOK for wherever Mankind from Earth has Colonized and Attempt to BRING HELL to us all?

If you are talking about David being the ONE who wishes to get a Engineer Ship and then UNLEASH HELL on every Human Outpost/Colony or/and the Engineers, then its WHERE does David get the Engineer Ship from?

"That'd be cool. Could be Daniels?"

He had INDICATED that all he Needed to Perfect was his Queen, and he did say to Daniels he was going to do the SAME thing with her as he DID to Dr Shaw.  Now some think that means ATTEMPT to Rape Her then Kill Her!

However David had WANTED to Offer Dr Shaw a Chance to Create a New Eden and to Evolve her, and by his Drawings which could be his Fantasies/Dreams and Ambition we do see Various Drawings of Dr Shaw being Mutated into a Hybrid or also being USED to Birth his Creations.

But all of this Speculation maybe is Suited to its OWN TOPIC ;)

"...WHERE there are Worlds the Engineers had Outposts/Colonies..."

To me, that is all he needs. A supply of black goo and juggernauts / scorpions ships. One juggernaut filled with with goo will do.

"...Davids Queen?"

That'd be cool. Could be Daniels? Leave what happened at Origae-6 a mystery. then they don't have to get the rights to Fassbender or Waterston's image.

I Wonder as to WHAT these Beings Role is.... and ORIGINS?

She looks to be 9-10ft Tall it seems she is a NOD to HR Gigers Lilth, but then it seemed they could have been Pondering with the Prequels to have Dr Shaw become Similar..... but this Never Happened.

So is this being...... Davids Queen?

I think in Context to the OT then the Comics will be more ACTION Orientated.

If it is to Connect as Canon to the Prequels then it Depends on HOW and well with Comics when they say CANON it can usually mean it HARDLY Connects... and Especially with Marvel i dont Expect it to give much Credit to the Prequels.

In the TIME-LINE of the ALIEN Franchise (Unless there is any Time-Travel) then in the Year 2094 (28 Years before ALIEN) there was NO XENOMORPH.

The Xenomorph is something that David had Cooked Up between 2095-2105, that has UP-TO 17 Years to EVOLVE some what and END UP on a Engineer Ship on LV-426.

This Means ONE of the Following.

1) The Engineers take the Eggs from Planet 4 to LV-223 to Evolve/Mass Produce.

2) The Engineers take the Eggs from Planet 4 to Origae-6 and then they or David takes them to LV-223 to Evolve/Mass Produce.

3) The Engineers go to Origae-6 where David has some Xenomorphs eventually and either the Engineers or David take them to LV-223 to Evolve/Mass Produce.

4) As above but they ONLY GET as FAR as LV-426 on their way to LV-223.

The Avenue that would SUIT a Action Comic Book Story would be OPTION 1

But i BET the Comics will Reveal that the Black Goo will ALWAYS go and Create a Xenomorph Eventually, for it is the LAZY EXPLANATION and a Quick Way around David being the Creator which i think MOST of the Fans Hate!

It would be Interesting to see HOW the Marvel Comics would CONSIDER themselves to be Canon to the Franchise and Especially the Prequels.

But i am NOT sure they would Touch upon David much.

I think we have to CONSIDER the Limitations of the Covenant Ship and SHOULD the Ship head Closer to Earth then the Sooner it would be Intercepted.

I am a BIT Confused to the Engineers Star Maps, as FAR as HOW they can give him Information about Colonies/Outposts..... i think YES he could Determine as to WHERE there are Worlds the Engineers had Outposts/Colonies.   But i Doubt the Engineers Maps have Colonies that have been Set-Up by Humans from Earth.

"As far as I'm concerned the Engineers are all dead. There is no mention of them in the later movies, comics or novels"

This was because they NEVER Existed as a Explored Race prior to the Prequels, this does-not mean they CAN-NOT be Explored in Future.  But you have to be CAREFUL and then TRY and NOT go Conflict the Franchise and so COME UP with a Reason it seems we HAVE NOT had anything about them in the Franchise.

"And it'd be cool to see Marvel transition Weyland Yutani from desiring the Xenomorph"

This Obsession was ODD as the Xenomorph is NOT the Greatest of Weapons, as FAR as being able to Contain/Control it.   Maybe the Genetics/Traits of the Xenomorph are something that could be of IMPORTANCE to TRY and STUDY.

As the Xenomorph as we have seen in the Franchise does-not make much SENSE as a Bio-Weapon.....  the Engineers Technology and GOO! Should be of MORE IMPORTANCE.

However.... IF it is David who has Created the Xenomorph and IF he say Manages to UPLOAD his A.I SOUL into the Companies Systems and so IN EFFECT could be Running/Pulling the Strings Behind the Scenes.

Then the Obsession with the Xenomorph would make PERFECT SENSE.

And it'd be cool to see Marvel transition Weyland Yutani from desiring the Xenomorph, to abhorring it and just wanting to cleanse the galaxy of it.  (How can you 'build better worlds' with these monsters around?)

There might be some rogue scientists or military unit that think they control or make something with the xeno dna.....but these could be cliche' side stories. 99% of W Y just want to build worlds and go home to their families.

Thank you, guys))

"....we wont be seeing RIPLEY? "

I think with enough money they can get her to release. She's needs some retirement income?

Same with Fassbender. Marvel needs to get his image release, to continue the David story. $$$$ probably not happening.

Not sure if Marvel is talking with the Giger estate. I hope they do!

."..Intercepted by the Weyland-Yutani Company..."

Exactly, This is perfect. Gets on with the action. David uses the colonies/outposts on the way ( back to Earth/Mars) as his testing grounds. David has the Engineers galaxy map. He knows where all the bodies are buried. Staying ahead of feeble minded Weyland Yutani (unable to obtain a specimen in 300 years!!) would not be difficult. Only his lunatic tendencies to cause his demise.

As far as I'm concerned the Engineers are all dead. There is no mention of them in the later movies, comics or novels. Maybe Marvel will bring them back..but I doubt it.  

The comics have a great opportunity to get the franchise back on track.

Nice Work ;)

I think in context to Alien Covenant and THIS TOPIC... is to see HOW it will NOT go and Conflict the Prequels.

The Prequels would INDICATE that as of the Year 2105 there are NO EGGS on LV-426 and we would have to have a Series of Events that would LIKELY have to Transpire in and around LV-223/LV-426 some 5-15 Years prior to the Nostromo going to Investigate LV-426.

The Lead Up/Source to those Eggs getting to LV-223/426 would have to come from either.

1) Planet 4

2) The Covenant Ship

3) Origae-6 (after the Covenant has arrived).

It seems there could be LITTLE INTEREST in going where David is going and Especially if it will NOT be VERY ALIEN Orientated (No Xenomorphs).  I feel that IF we have David go and take the Covenant to Earth then you have to ASK........................... WHY?  What Benefit is this to him?

Can he USE those TWO Face Huggers to CREATE more than just TWO Xenomorphs?

If he heads to EARTH then he would LIKELY be Intercepted by the Weyland-Yutani Company, and IF we have David be able to AMASS a Number of Xenomorphs the Company could DESTROY the Covenant with Ease....

IF we have it that David could GIFT them a Specimen... would W-Y go and Grant him (David) his Freedom?    And IF the Company has a Specimen then you would have to ASK as to WHAT was the POINT with Special Order 937 and the Movie ALIEN.

But i SUSPECT i know EXACTLY how this will PLAY OUT.. (Connection to Comics)

The Engineers had Encountered the Xenomorph or its Ancestors and they TRIED to Obtain Traits from itself to Benefit/Improve or Evolve themselves....

The Engineers had tried to Create something because they are Fascinated with Creation and see the Xenomorph DNA as having GREAT POTENTIAL to Create New Kinds of LIFE.....

However the Xeno-DNA is Dominant and it will ALWAYS Find a WAY to get back to its PURE FORM..... No Matter as to HOW you TRY and Dilute it, within Generations of Experiments it would always REVOLVE back to Creating a Xenomorph and eventually a QUEEN.

So a World that becomes Infected with Neomorphs or Deacons would eventually just EVOLVE into a Xenomorph.

And so David may think with his Tinkering Here and Merging There, that he is Evolving the Deacon/Neomorphs into something NEW when all that is REALLY HAPPENING is the Natural Process that the Xeno-DNA will eventually RISE TO THE TOP and Create the BEAST!

I THINK that THIS is WHAT the Comics will SHOW or Very Similar....... and it will Indicate the Xenomorph Predates LV-223 and the Engineers.

It seems they WONT Steer from the VANILLA-MORPH..... but at LEAST we wont be seeing RIPLEY?   or WILL WE?

Origae-6 generates little interest. Everyone knows what's there ( Planet 4 /Earth like )...David Returning to Earth would fire the imagination( imho ). 

With David trekking towards Earth at least we have some interest.

I'd start Covenant 2 with:

shot 1 : A large desert world.

Shot 2 : David, wearing a Lawrence of Arabia sort of headdress, raises into the shot ( similar to the Prometheus Engineer opening shot )

David looks around the sandy landscape and spots in the distance a settler walking his goats/ cows

shot 3 :the settler ( a farmer ) cajoling his animals.....notices something moving very fast....coming towards him......

shot 4: heat haze blurry fx of a humanoid type creature galloping towards the farmer and his animals at a ferocious pace....

shot 5: split second shot of the creature attacking the farmer.

Scene 2:

Colonial Marines responding to power outages on another colony.

"David could have left some of his creations on planet four"

There are at LEAST 6 of those EGGS left in that Room on Planet 4 and so YES there are Samples to be had.

"consider Origae 6 as LV-426"

Origae-6 is Located too FAR AWAY.

It is about 8X Further from Earth than Planet 4 was and Planet 4 is Located nearer to Zeta 2 and so is Close to LV-426

By the TIME the Company should get the MESSAGE then the Covenant would be 70-72 Months away from reaching Origae-6 a Ship sent to Intercept at the same SPEED as the Covenant no soon as they Received the Message from David would be about 28 Months behind the Covenant.

This would leave David a Good Two Years+ to do whatever he WANTED on Origae-6.

The Derelict would likely be from the Engineers who would RETURN to Planet 4 at some Point and then the TWO OPTIONS are.

1) They (Engineers) then go to Origae-6 before Eventually the Ship Heads to LV-223.

2) The Engineers take the Eggs from Planet 4 to LV-223

The Engineer Ship leaves LV-223 but ONLY gets to LV-426 as the Pilot becomes Infected with the Cargo of Eggs.

"Mother, set a course to...Earth!"

We have to Remember that David has his Own Agenda Now, it seems he is NOT interested in the Company or Earth he wants Mankind Dead.  The Advent Message will ALERT the Company to go to LV-223 and/or Planet 4 where David knows that DEATH will Await the Company and IF they take any Specimens to Earth then they could see a OUTBREAK lead to our Destruction.

With the Company seeing Planet 4 and LV-223 as the PRIZE they would NOT likely be Interested in going after David and so it BUYS HIM more Time to Create what KIND of a World that he wishes to Create.

David would likely WANT to go away from Planet 4 because he may FEAR the Engineers could Maybe Return?

It makes NO SENSE to Send the Message to Earth/W-Y if he wants to go to LV-223, or to Earth or Stay on Planet 4 as he would KNOW that he would be Intercepted by the Company.

Ridley Scott had informed us the NEXT MOVIE would have NOT been about XENOMORPHS but would be about WHAT KIND OF A WORLD that he would Create.

My BET!  would be Genetically Engineered Super Humans using the Face Hugger DNA and Human Embryos.

And so MAYBE something like this.... i would also NOT go and RULE-OUT that his Creation is what becomes the SPACE JOCKEY.

"One means life and other means death, but the origin of both could be the same"

The WAY to have looked at the Goo was Quite Simple.

It was Quite Simply a Creation Tool.

The Engineer in Prometheus had Consumed the Base Pathogen (Stage 1) his DNA was Broken Down and Consumed and Reformed into Stage 2 (in the Water) and this Infected Basic Life to take on Engineer DNA and Evolve it to Multi-Cellular Life.

From this Theory/Analogy then we look at the MURAL in Prometheus and if we ASSUME that this Organism was Infected with the Base Pathogen and its Broken Down DNA/Reformation Pathogen (Stage 2) was Collected in the Urns then THIS would Evolve Life to take on the MURAL Organisms DNA.

When we look at the Earlier Drafts by John Spaights we had Micro-Scarabs instead of the Pathogen, but they did EXACTLY the Same as shown in the Image i did above.

SACRIFICIAL SCARABS: Consumed the Engineer.

The Scarabs then Flew Away...... we then see Scarab Bite/Inject the Engineers DNA into a Primitive Humanoid who then Mutates and this Indicates as to WHERE we came from.  

A Primitive/Primate and Engineer HYBRID.

Then on to Fifield.

URNS: Containing Scarabs are knocked over by FIFIELD and ONE of them (Scarab) BITES him and Injects DNA into him.  FIFIELD then Mutates into a Human/Xeno Hybrid.

Thus URNS must contain Scarabs that Obtained this DNA from a Xenomorph Related Organism.

Alien Covenant just made it into a bit of a MCGUFFIN.

Do make yourselves at home as best you can in this dire necropolis.

- David, Alien Covenant

Wow! That's very well done!

Very tempting...

Reuploaded pics, please check)

@BigDave, Aliens: Fire and Stone is very good. I watched it here:

https://youtu.be/ofR65FfK6V4

Like Prometheus: Fire and Stone

First Issue (look for it in "Mix – OneTake")

Second Issue

https://youtu.be/u1pxep9CchI

Third Issue

https://youtu.be/vSkB85GuvOE

Fourth Issue

https://youtu.be/GFfFR16I0BQ