“But what these had Shown is that IF any of them had been Given the Green Light then they would have Rebooted/Ignored some of the Franchise.”

Maybe they could re-do the prequels in a way? I hope that they could keep the Engineers and expand their role. They could have an interesting part in it. With good writing and an interesting story I guess that you could do something good.

About the concept work by Huante they were some attempts but not anything that I would like to see in a movie. There was an alien-gorilla, I mean really? We got some interesting takes on the Xeno but they should stay as fan-work.

Don't touch Alien 1, 2, and 3, they are good the way that they are. I guess that some people dislike Alien 3 but it seems to me that the probability of an alternative Alien 3 is more likely to be worse. Honestly I don't have any need to see another Ripley-movie, it's time to move on. Get new characters and someone that can write, and don't cut out parts just for a run-time.

Star Wars 1-9 were about the Skywalkers and I honestly have had enough of that, the same thing goes for Ripley. More of the same would be like them showing that they have run out of ideas, it's lazy.

A TV-series could work and could hopefully introduce new things even more things than we have seen in the prequels. Not interested in a re-boot, at least not of the original three.

I would like to see new things but they can expand on the Engineers because we haven't seen a lot of them.

I don't see why not both couldn't be a valid reproductive methods. The eggmorphing is used by the common caste of xenomorph to create a start-up hive before one of the strongest of the common xenomorph triggers a biological transformation into a xenomorph queen. They are after all the perfect organism

Heres an idea, what if the xenomorphs evolved the ability to produce bioships or implant themselves within a natural spacefaring organism like a spacewhale-esque creature?

They could look at that as a Possibility....

The Reality of it all comes from the Following.

*The Emphasis on the Engineers is that they are a Ancient Race of Creators (Genetic Space Gardeners) and their Interactions with Mankind are what leads to our Ancient Cultures and Mythos (Ancient Astronaut Theory).

*They decided Further tone down the HR Giger Aesthetic and having a City that looks more like Ancient Rome etc would FIT with the Ancient Astronaut Plot.

*Making the Sequel to Prometheus become something that will EVENTUALLY lead to ALIEN and be about the ORIGINS of the Xenomorph had meant that the Engineers World would have to be CLOSER to Earth for Plot Convenience.

A BIG PROBLEM when making a Sequel was always can you have a Movie about just Dr Shaw as the ONLY Human?   The Answer is likely NO! and so that means you have to have Humans from Earth come into Play!  

Just REALLY a Case of the Writers etc being Limited in their Ideas... because i say WHO is to say that Engineers only had Humans on Earth?

However regarding the Engineers it is UNLIKELY that they ONLY have Planet 4 as a kind of Base..... Planet 4 is likely a Colony that the Engineers use as Genetic Stock for Seeding Worlds.

Another Miss-Conception when looking a Paradise especially Biblical is that Paradise is NOT where the GODS or their Angels come from.  It is the Location of the Garden of Eden (Walled City) and thus where WE had came from.  And so if we came from THEM... then this Place is also where our Origins had come from.  When looking at the Sacrificial Scene in Prometheus... this could Actually had taken place on Planet 4.

"what happened to David and the 2000 colonists aboard the Covenant Ship? They can make a puzzling timeline"

I think it depends on WHEN the TV Series is SET, it was Indicated it would be SET on Earth and in the Near Future and to me this means before ALIEN in the Year 2122 and when they say the Not Too Distant Future to me that seems more like 25-50 Years.

I was Very Concerned with that Detail (if it is as such) because it would CONFLICT with the Franchise and Prequels.  Even as far as World Building, i dont think we would be TOO ADVANCED as far as Near the Technology we see in Alien Covenant in say the Year 2050, i would ASSUME that Weyland Industries would begin World Building and Mining mainly around say 2070 Mark (i just cant see before say 2050 that Humans would be Traveling like 10+ Light Years away).

so the Closer to Present Time Line (2021) then the likely-hood that the Adventure/Exploration and Discovery of a Xenomorph Threat would be CLOSER to Home than LV-426.... it even seems the THREAT would actually come down to seeing Xenomorphs get LOOSE on Earth.

And so it would NOT go and Connect to the Prequels if its SET before them, UNLESS we do introduce TIME-TRAVEL but i dont think that would be a Good Idea as well it can lead to MESS as Disney can then have a LAZY PLOT DEVICE to give us Constant Changes.

This is UNLESS the TV Series is Based on a Series of Time-Jumps...

EP1-2 Set in say 2025, EP 3-4 Set in say 2050, then EP5+ Jumps us to say 2125 but then having Xenomorphs known and on Earth before 2179 would Contradict the Movie ALIENS...

So for me any TV Show that will touch on the Xenomorph and on Earth before 2180 does not make SENSE and could be a RISK.

"May 14th, 2039 - Discovery of the planet Acheron LV-426 (Peter Weyland has 48 years old)"

Indeed however, i think with Alien Covenant they had Retconned some the History of Weyland Industries hence WHY that site was taken down.  But the ALIEN Franchise has more to it than Xenomorphs.... and so with Guy Pearce being 53 he could Play in Cameo a Peter Weyland aged between say 48-58 and so Indeed be SET say between 2040-2050, it depends on HOW MUCH the Series will be about the Xenomorph it seems the IDEA is the Xenomorph will return at a LATTER POINT and then WHEN does it appear in the Time-Line.

I think the Juggernaut is what it appears to be - a cargo ship. There is no reason to suppose there aren't Engineer warships, they just weren't present on LV-223 because humanity was so primitive 2000 years ago they weren't needed for whatever it was they were going to do with Earth, and the base has been nonfuctional since then. 

My guess about the Engineers and the humanoids they create is that since the Engineers are heavily into bio-engineering, they create species of guinea pigs who are similar enough to them that they can substitute for Engineers in experiments, but are reduced enough in intelligence relative to Engineers that they don't have the ability to catch up and become a potential threat. 

Personally, I find it very unlikely that the city is the Engineer capital. The probability that one cargo ship with no proper identification and a skeleton crew would be able to penetrate to the main docking station and dump the black goo without any action being taken to stop them is pretty low. Also, the city seems much too small and unsophisticated to be the capital of a grand interstellar civilization. 

My guess is that David had already conceived the idea of his experiments before he set course and deliberately chose the most backward, unimportant place in the greater Engineer area, someplace he could go to and dump the black goo with the lowest probability that the Engineers would notice and care enough to stop him. He then lied to Shaw and said he was taking them to the Engineer homeworld. 

I would love to see this ART in a live action show.

 The beautiful mural of Prometheus

Engineers, Xenomorphs and Facehuggers Orgy

The Deacon

The Neomorph

BigDave

I feel that if you remove any xenomorph DNA (since it would be blended perfectly with her human DNA) Ripley would be reduced to a puddle of goo.

Also, the xenomorph homeworld in the dark Horse comics, the xenomorphs were at the bottom of the food chain. The expanded universe also added a slowly development of technologies in handling the xenomorphs.

Yall need to read the comics, there is alot of interesting ideas floating around in there.

Also the xenomorph is the flagship creature of the franchise, it would be like replacing the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park with genetically engineered teenage shark men fighting crime in the streets. 

I think, besides the important return of the Xenomorph to a screen, they could respond to some questions of the prequel Alien Covenant, like, for instance, what happened to David and the 2000 colonists aboard the Covenant Ship? They can make a puzzling timeline, with flasbacks and...flashforwards. That would be great. If they want to make a traditional timeline, why not make time travel possible with engineer technology, but a time travel limited to a few decades or so. That would be insane. 

My story would be simple. The engineers kill David and all his colonist horror experiments, the company retrieves all the eggs left by David on Planet 4 and brings them back to earth (maybe we can watch again on screen the neomorphs). They start doing experiments on the eggs and something goes horribly wrong (they unleash the Xenomorphs, firstly in an Alien Resurrection style and then in the outside world). The company stablishes contact with the engineers and they make the company aware of the existence of a lost eggs cargo on LV-426 planet (and this is the connection to the ALIEN 1979 film). Yes, Engineers have in the past already created Xenomorphs, that are not creations from the get-go, because the black goo is the result of a process of re-engineered micro-organisms existent on innumerous planets visited by the gardeners of the Universe (it's like  improve or change something that already exists). The  company has a second shot to harness the BEAST.

Weyland-Yutani: Corporate Timeline:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLeF6EqulUI

May 14th, 2039 - Discovery of the planet Acheron LV-426 (Peter Weyland has 48 years old).

This is great news!

I'm now actually looking forward to this. Hope the music is good.

"..he thinks the Space Jockey was a Race who Happened to Collect the Eggs from the Xenomorphs Home-world."

I can see this. Space Jockey Race delivers food ( humanoids ) to the Xenomorph's homeworld. The brood soon produces a queen. SJ's claim the queen for payment.             Who knows what the SJ's need so many eggs or queens for?

It'd be a cool scene watching millions of humanoids released on planet Xeno!

Now...How long to produce a queen? How many victims does it take?

I pretty much enjoy anything with the Alien name slapped onto it so I'm sure I will love the TV series. Besides any Alien movie (good or bad) is better than no Alien movie.

"PRIOR to 2180's would DEFEAT the PURPOSE of RIPLEY'S STORY"

Absolutely.... i think with this Topic it was not Merely to talk about say the TV Series thats coming in 2023, but its to look at HOW would we FEEL if say DISNEY would Decide to REBOOT the Franchise for a Modern Audience.

"Post-Resurrection would be more or less ALIEN vs FIREFLY"

I think that looking before the Prequels... i think that a Sequel to Alien Resurrection could have been Possible and ALLOW for us to TRY something NEW as AR had showed some Potential... rather than just Vanilla Xenomorphs and Hives.  The Plot would seem to Indicate that surely there was NO-WHERE else to get a Xenomorph from.

I had 3 Ideas of were you could have GONE after AR, and so a ALIEN V and the One Idea would have covered the Failed Queen 7 and some Ripley 8 DNA being sent to a Research Outpost near Saturn.... introduce a New Xenomorph (well Two) that Procreate Differently.... this NEVER had to have Ripley in it.

The Second Idea was on Earth where they (Autons) USE the DNA of Ripley as she Dies to then Spawn a a Horror among other things.  Again NO Ripley required.

The 3rd was Similar to the 2nd but it would have Ripley 8 in it.  (there was TWO Alternative Versions of this IDEA which depended on HOW i would address the AGE of Miss Weaver).........

a) She Rapidly Changing to Less Human.

b) They Extract/Remove Xeno-DNA but she Rapidly Ages (shes Dying)

But i think a LOT of Fans prefer the Franchise to be about the Xenomorphs...they may see it as a "if it ant broke, dont fix it" but i agree with RS and there is ONLY so much Chest Bursting and Snarling you can do.

"build off of Cameron's vision"

Well he did have a Vision of HOW he would have done a ALIENS Sequel.

The Xenomorph Home-World...................and so it may looked like this that i knocked up.

Or maybe it would NOT have the Egg Silo.... because it seemed that James Cameron had Envisioned that the Xenomorph was a Ancient Species of its OWN and so it would seem that he thinks the Space Jockey was a Race who Happened to Collect the Eggs from the Xenomorphs Home-world.

The Problem with the Xenomorph as such would be the QUESTION.... so HOW LONG do they LIVE for?

Because Eventually they will DIE-OUT and so the Home-world would become Abandoned.... as they would NEED a Host.... but then anyone who Stumbles on a World that is Infested with Eggs would soon come to Release this WORLD is NOT yet TRULY DEAD (Void of Life)

However like i said.... I am sure Ridley Scott would want to PROTECT his Prequels and ALIEN.

Maybe the SHOW goes on to Begin in the NOT TO DISTANT FUTURE.... they had said it would Deal with Future Threat in A.I but then also a Ancient Threat would arise.

We will NOT be thrown into the Deep End with Xenomorphs it seems they will Gradually come into Play, and so we are on a Slower Build Up.... and so... MAYBE we have some Back Ground a Few Episodes that are SET in the NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE... then we Flash Forwards to a more Future Time?

And with Ridley Scott as Producer and likely would NOT want this to Conflict his Prequels then is the Scheduled 2023 Release Date a Coincidence?

Maybe we will get the TED TALK 2023 as the Opening Prologue?

Then we arrive at 20 or 25 Years Latter?

Guy Pearce in the ALIEN Time Line would be able to Play a Peter Weyland with no trying to make him LOOK any Younger or Older... and so he could Play Mr Weyland say like 2040-2050, this would be the Great Dawn of World Building and A.I within the Context to the Franchise.

Guy Pearce would likely NOT have a Busy Schedule, and he would NOT cost a KINGS RANSOM... and so he could make Various Cameo Appearances.

A Fassbender would be a Different Story but you could use UNUSED Footage, or Create a Look-a-like Doll so you Show a David being worked on.... but then we are taken to other Androids...

As well what are the Chances the David Technology only comes in David Likeness?

Thats NOT to say that any of this will Happen though....just with RS being Involved i would NOT go and RULE it out.

Well we know that Ridley Scott is VERY PROUD of his Prequels (seems he was NOT that Pleased with Alien Covenant as far as the Xenomorph) as just Prior to its Release he was like "they want Aliens, ill give them F£*£$ Aliens" but then after the Disappointment of Alien Covenant he had said that he FELT he was ahead of the Game with Prometheus.

This tells me he was Proud of the A.I Elements and Creation Elements, and it seemed he saw those and the Engineers and other things as more IMPORTANT than the Beast (Xenomorph) if you would.... but he had said about the Xenomorph that the Franchise was about HIM but you have to Evolve HIM and offer Different ways to Procreate.

The TV Series will likely touch upon other Aspects of ALIEN but it will Eventually come down to the Xenomorph, and so with Ridley Scott being VERY Involved you would have to think he would WANT to Protect some of the Ideas he had.

And so we have to WONDER if the TV Show would in NO-WAY go and Contradict his Prequels.....

We did here Noah say about the TV Show is based in the NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE!

That was always a Puzzle.... and Concern..... because well 2120 is NOT what i Call in the Not Too Distant Future, for me that Suggests like 25 Years, it would be SILLY to be LESS... as well HOW MUCH kind of Space Exploration is there going to be in 2030, 2040 etc.... so i assumed we would be set in 50 Years Time in the Year say 2072 maybe?  And so thats 50 Years before ALIEN.

But then its seems its going to have Xenomorphs getting LOOSE/OUT OF CONTROL and Right Here on Earth..... and so 50 Years before ALIEN?  Hey any Time before 2180 would Conflict the Franchise....

Great news. At least, a battle between neomorphs and a protomorph should had been in Alien Covenant. The neomorph is a magnificent creature and i hope we can see it again. I doubt it but we never know.

Great topic, @BigDave as usual.

Great news. At least, a battle between neomorphs and a protomorph should had been in Alien Covenant. The neomorph is a magnificent creature and i hope we can see it again. I doubt it, but we never know.

Great topic, @BigDave as usual.

Here's a good link with the interview of the FX Chairman John Landgraf.

https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/noah-hawley-alien-series-is-a-beast-more-tv-and-streaming-news/

“I think Noah’s very conscious of the fact that there’s a cinematic universe, if you will, and that while it has some flexibility that the aesthetic that was established by Ridley Scott and I think continued by James Cameron is a part of that universe. By the way, Scott Free and Ridley are involved in this, very involved in this as producers,” Landgraf said. “So while I think you’ll see some inventiveness and some originality that is uniquely Noah, I also think that this show will feel like a part of the cinematic universe that you’re familiar with in terms of Alien.”

“What I can say is that — maybe pun intended — it’s a beast, Alien. It’s a really big world-building exercise,” Landgraf said.

“We’re well into it. We’re actually moving apace. I have optimism, for example, that that show may well roll out in 2023; probably will roll out in 2023,” he continued. “But we want to get it right … you’re being given access to a really precious resource when you’re granted access to such an important piece of IP. And it’s not something FX does a lot of. So … there’s not another really key piece of Fox or Disney IP that we’re working on right now. There are other things like Shogun, which might be familiar to you. But all I can tell you is that, Noah feels this way, I feel this way, Ridley and his people feel this way: We’ve got to get this one right, and we’re going to take whatever time it takes to do that.”

MonsterZero

I would rather it be after ALIENS, since I want to see the alien universe how James Cameron would have envisioned it or at least build off of Cameron's vision.

Post-Resurrection would be more or less ALIEN vs FIREFLY

 Sorry Xenotaris, my vitriol wasn't directed at you! :-)  More to the sad state of the alien verse.

I too would rather the setting After Aliens...Or after A:R.

Oh boy, I sure Scott tries to keep the canon consistent with his prequels

Well I meant I HATED the idea of XENOMORPHS being on pre-ALIENS EARTH. 

I am fine with XENOMORPHS being on EARTH as long as its in the 2180 and up since at that point the Weyland-Yutani Corporation would already had THREE events (ALIEN, ALIENS, and ALIEN 3) get a good understanding HOW the Xenomorphs TICTS.

BEING set anywhere on EARTH, PRIOR to 2180's would DEFEAT the PURPOSE of RIPLEY'S STORY. I mean Ripley been a THORN in the Company's side since ALIEN, with her death would allow the Weyland Yutani Corporation free reign over getting a xenomorph

I think regarding Special Order 937 then the Big Sub-Plot of the Franchise was that the Company wanted to GET and FAIL to Obtain a Specimen. But the Closest they (USM) came was in Alien Resurrection but then THAT went to POT!

It was always Interesting to Ponder to WHAT the Company had Planned should they had been Successful and were able to Contain the Xenomorph!  And it does seem that this was to be Explored with Blomkamps Alien V and the Red Harvest Project.  There was some Interesting ways to MOVE FORWARDS... but i dont think you Needed to BRING BACK say Ripley etc and therefore you MESS with the Canon of other Movies.

Hill and Giler (R.I.P) gave us the Special Order 937 Plot.... and the Secret Android, and so the Company being Interested for their Bio-Weapons Division.  Why the Earlier Idea by them was that the Xenomorph was a Created Bio-Weapon by the Company and that the Nostromo was sent out to become a TEST SUBJECTS for their Weapon.  And while that had Never became Canon (Company Creates the Xenomomorph) the Aspect of that PLOT is something that still is VALID as in the Company sending Expendable Humans into Unknown Situation for them.. while the Company Fully knows what will FACE the Crew of said SHIP they send out.

This seems to be something that is a Basis for the New TV Series.

"It goes back to why I hate AVP so much"

Well we NEED to NOT go and Worry as that is just Alternative Canon ;)  But with DISNEY at the Helm, we cant RULE-OUT them making a Cross Over Connection again at Some Point.  (look at the Alternative Endings to The Predator)..... Time Travel and Cross-Over to ALIEN... NO Thanks!

But back to the OT..... be it a TV Series or Movie i do Suspect that DISNEY will go and Reboot the Franchise to give us a Alternative Story and Re-Introduce to us the Xenomorph for a New Generation.

I think they will also put the Emphasis on the Xenomorph... hence i made that POSTER for the Topic  (THE ALIEN) as this became what the Franchise was about after ALIEN because we NEVER went back to the Space Jockey which was also ALIEN.  There are Sub-Plots and Characters that i think you will have... and maybe we WONT see Ripley at all..... but it will be about the Xenomorph.

Maybe a Reboot will NOT go and Hurt if we see it as a Alternative Reality and Story like say many of the Video Games are..... that could maybe be BETTER than to just RETCON some of the Franchise with something ELSE as then it Interferes with the Canon that was Established.

"The story is just so convoluted. It begs for a tv series."

Certainly i think with a TV Series you can Flesh Out the Story Line more and NOT have to Suffer the FATE of Alien Covenant where they had too much to CRAM into the Run-Time so the Movie Pace seemed Rushed (after say the Oram/Egg Incident).  We have the Announced Alien TV Series which is supposed to begin Production and Shooting like Next Year, and i think the TV Series is Relevant to the TOPIC.

In that the Plot will Deal with a Future Threat (A.I) and a Ancient Threat (i assume the Xenomorph) and by being SET in a Time-Line that seems to be Considerably before the Prequels..... then this TV Series looks like it could RETCON the Origins of the Xenomorph and so Conflict and maybe Re-Write the Prequels from the HISTORY BOOKS.

"I absolutely HATE the idea of XENOMORPHS being on EARTH"

I think maybe this could WORK if this Happens at some Later Point in the Time-Line say 2200-2250 but you would have to come up with WHERE do they Obtain the Xenomorph from?  The Discovery of a Crashed/Sunk Engineer Ship on Earth could work..... but this would CONTRADICT the Prequels (but i think that THIS is what the TV Series will do).  But to have a Discovery on Earth that say Happens before the events of ALIEN etc i think would be a EPIC MISTAKE.

I also think the Interesting thing about the Prequels regarding the Black Goo and LV-223 is that it SHOWS that you DONT have to go back to having Vanilla-Morphs

If you Discover a Engineer Ship at the Bottom of the Sea and you EXPLORE it then you will Cause a Breach and Water gets on  the Ship and then WHAT IF the Black Goo leaks and Infects some Sea Life?

These are some Unused Concepts from a Prometheus Sequel (TOP) and from Prometheus, but also below are some Concepts that seem more Aquatic (but these dont seem too Awe Inspiring).

"Special order 937 makes sense if they had prior knowledge"

With the Prequels it is likely that Special Order 937 came about after the Advent Message that was sent by David.   Before we had the Prequels then it seems to make more Sense that Special Order 937 shows us the Company know Roughly what they was looking for, and so had some Prior Knowledge.

MonsterZero I think you are missing the point of what i'm trying to say.

 
The Weyland-Yutani Corporation would have more sense then make the crew expendable because of a small Bug! Ash was constantly informing MUTHUR, which in turn was informing the company of the xenomorph onboard the ship. It was a hostile alien lifeform there for the corporation wanted it.

Also the alien didn't slip past the people of Hadley's Hope; the xenomorph killed them all and claimed the colony. 

It goes back to why I hate AVP so much, with any trace of the xenomorph being on earth completely ruins Ripley's mission but also not only that a xenomorph presence on Earth would be disastrous to all living things on Earth 

The order making the crew expendable was just stupid.

"We found something.."

"Kill the crew!" 

"It was just a small bug..."

"Does not matter! Kill them! We will inform their families...Now bring us this small bug!"

Special order 937 makes sense if they had prior knowledge. The order must have been given to the thousands of starships roaming the galaxy. 

Walter should have killed the crew of the Covenant....Did he disobey? Planet 4 had plenty of good stuff....Talk about order 937!! Jackpot!

I can see the xenomorph slipping through the fingers of a big slow company.

"You saw what!? BRING IT TO US!!"

"Sorry...It got away...Killed everyone except a little girl"

Aliens they found it and it still slipped through their grasp....Corp had to do some convoluted resurrection plot just to, sort of get, the prize...They also lost that!!

I absolutely HATE the idea of XENOMORPHS being on EARTH. I mean back in the original ALIEN, the corporation didn't exactly know what xenomorphs were they just wanted an alien lifeform to study. Ash must have been reporting to his superiors and they gave the orders for the crew to be expendable.

It runs into the same problem as AVP movies, if they already had xenomorphs on Earth why the hell would they need the Nostromo crew and Ripley years later? I got the impression that Ripley was their only connection to the xenomorphs otherwise they wouldn't need her if they already knew or have access to xenomorphs decades prior. In Aliens the corporation didn't believe her and even Burke was skeptical until they he saw them with his own eyes. It wasn't until Alien 3 when they started getting desperate to acquire a xenomorph embryo leading to their successors to clone both Ripley and the Queen in Alien Resurrection

I have no problem with the xeno on Earth prior to ALIEN. Makes sense that Weyland corp is aware of the organism and would alert all the synths in the fleet. Dead soldiers tell no tales, so there probably won't any reports on CNN. Evil corp will tie up the loose ends. I think they have a bit of leeway to not break canon?

I don't know about big screen anymore. The story is just so convoluted. It begs for a tv series.  

But back to the Question about WHY those Horrors?

Maybe ONE thing we overlook could be FEAR!

If the Engineers have Creations who become Rebellious or do-not Behave or they have Races they wish to CONTROL then FEAR is a Method of Control.

If on Earth you wanted to Control a Population by Forcing them to your View or Religion and those who DO-NOT go and Follow will be KILLED... then it depends on HOW you Kill them that can Effect the likely-hood of HOW they would GET IN LINE.

A Slow Death a Horrific Death, a Death in Front of the Public a more Barbaric Ways would cause more FEAR.

So maybe those Horrors are Created as a way to Strike FEAR into those you wish to Control.... you show them on SMALL SCALE of WHAT can Happen... you then PUT the FEAR OF GOD into them.... Job Done..

But you NEED to TEST this Horror... this Weapon of Fear!

Not saying this is WHAT is the Reason... just Speculating that its a more Logical Reason.

Well i think you RAISE a Exceptional Question!

"let’s say – a green crystal on a stone plinth that, when pressed, can detonate a star dozens of light years away"

If we are talking a Advanced Race that have been what more Advanced than maybe we will be by the Year 3000 but these have been at least as Advanced as maybe we could get then, but for Hundreds of Millions of Years then we REALLY dont know the LIMITS of the Technology as FAR as the Ability to Destroy.

And as Genetic Gardeners you would think they have ways to have a KILL-SWITCH.  And the Juggernauts and Especially if they USE the Sacrificial Goo are Perfect for RESET SWITCH of a World.

But do they have Technology to Protect Ships/Worlds some kind of ATTACK as IF the Juggernaught had such Weapons it could have Destroyed the Prometheus and then gone to Earth.  IF we saw Planet 4 have these maybe they could have Destroy the Juggernaught... but it seemed by the TIME they Realized what was Happening it was TOO LATE.  You really want to be Destroying a Ship like that before it gets into the Atmosphere.

If they have such Weapons then maybe they have NUKES or similar that they can USE on Worlds, maybe they can EVEN go and Destroy Worlds (HR Giger Death Star anyone) but YEAH if they had such Weapons and Wanted to Destroy Mankind then WHY NOT go and USE them?

Makes No Sense to Create a Weapon to Drop like the Black Goo to Mutate them into Horrors unless this is WHAT they want to Turn us into.... as to SIMPLY go and KILL US then maybe there are Better Ways and to RESET the WORLD then the Sacrificial Goo via Bombardment is PERFECT.

I think as FAR as Exploring a Ancient Alien Race as a Race who ONLY have the Juggernauts to go around and DROP DRUMS of Pathogen on Folk... i think thats Very Limiting.

"a green crystal on a stone plinth that, when pressed"

So again back to this.... could they Install like Underground Explosives or Something Near the CORE of a World that when it is Activated/Detonated will Cause the Planet to either EXPLODE or Cause like a MASS of Earthquakes and Volcanic Eruptions which will RESET a WORLD where it may NEVER be the same Again... or would take Millions of Years to be back to Normal.

Could this have Happened to LV-426?  Could the Star Map had been showing us to LV-426 and it was a Different Place like Many Thousands of Years ago?  Who knows... they could Explore that... or NOT.

Something like this could be the Ultimate Plot Device to Explain the Pursuit of the Xenomorph in the Franchise, instead of going to LV-223...  If there is a KILL SWITCH on LV-223 or the Engineers have a Technology they can Unleash from Space that would DESTROY the Moon... or Render It so that it has NOTHING to be Gained from it.

Gardeners!? More like psychopaths. Control freaks to the nth degree.

I now think it was a mistake keeping the Engineers alive.  I think the real threat was Weyland industries obtaining the mutagen and bringing it back to Earth ( and the highest bidder ). Humans are very capable of 'weeding' themselves without the help of a juggernaut loaded with the stuff.

The timescale for this gardening is unfathomable, how long would this stuff take? Seems more like a hobby than a defense ( or offense ) strategy.

We then came to the News that there would be a TV Series based on ALIEN instead.  And unlike the Alien V Ideas this TV Series would NOT be about Ripley.

The Latest News seemed to Indicate we would see the Xenomorph again, but this TV Show would be SET on Earth and in the NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE... this Surely means some YEARS before the Prequels and ALIEN, and so could it be 25 Years prior to ALIEN or 50 or 75? Who knows.... it Certainly would not be like too Close to ALIEN so i would Assume a 50-70 Years before ALIEN and so THIS would Surely go and Conflict the Prequels...

Or is it intended to RETCON the Prequels?

Will Disney ever give us a ALIEN MOVIE on the Big Screen and IF SO would they REBOOT the Entire Franchise?  Is it the RIGHT MOVE to Re-Invent  the Franchise for the Newer Generation... what kind of Franchise would that be UNDER a Company like Disney.

“the Engineers would NEED to have other Forms of Attack and Defense you would THINK?”

If they were to encounter a plucky race – or a belligerent faction of their own – willing to put up a fight, then certainly they ought to have technology to deal with that threat. The juggernaut on LV-223 wasn’t any good at dealing with the Prometheus, for example. So there has to be something better for that purpose tucked in the garage.

I could easily imagine Engineer battle fleets using technology we haven’t seen yet, which would be fun to see.

Another possibility might be that if you’ve been gardening the Galaxy for a very long time, you kind of know what you’re doing, and opposition might be extremely rare. In a worst case scenario, you might have – let’s say – a green crystal on a stone plinth that, when pressed, can detonate a star dozens of light years away.

A contemporary parallel to this might be the Tory Party in the UK. They are very good at clinging on to power, and crush all opposition, despite being fundamentally self-serving and morally corrupt ;-)

There are a LOT of similar Things/Themes in Various Mythos etc.... so its like in Context to the Franchise (and Ancient Astronaut Theory) that these are maybe DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS of the same EVENT.

And so with the Plot then these SIMILAR EVENTS could also had taken Place on other WORLDS.... and THIS is something we can Explore, where you can go more in DEPTH to SHOW us WHAT has Actually Happened and NOT how its been Interpreted and Passed On by Generation to Generation and Spawned Various Mythos.

For Example... we see Angels are Depicted with Wings but the Sumerian Mythos also has their Gods having Wings (in some Depictions) if your a Ancient Culture who have NO Technology, then seeing your Creators etc, Ascend from the Heavens by Various Means.... maybe they are Beamed/Float down.... but a Ancient Person maybe Cant Fathom that... and so the ONLY WAY these Gods/Creators could do this... is they MUST have WINGS... etc.

Burning Chariots, and Riding on Clouds of Fire..... that could be HOW some Ancient Humans would Describe a Space Ship etc.

And so i would LIKE to see the Engineers Interacting with some Ancient Culture and seeing Technology and HOW it is some Cultures then Interpreted it Wrong.  And this DOES-NOT mean you have to go to Ancient Earth?  As the Engineers had likely DONE the same on Many Worlds.

You Mention that Horror does-not have to be about Monsters.... you also do-not seem a Fan of Planet 4 and how it appeared...

WHAT IF... we go to a World, there are Humans or Very Close who are Living some Basic Life, a Ancient Culture and there are Engineers with them, NOT MANY but they are Watching Over them.... Treated like Pharaohs

They can have more Technology than Earth 2000 Years ago but still LIVE in a Ancient Way like Planet 4....   And we see the Interaction... they will Speak in a Ancient Language.... for a BIT with Subtitles then they Speak English for our Benefit.. (Viewer).

Then there is a RUMBLE.... in the Distance we see 3 Juggernaught Ships.... the Humanoids seem to be Excited and Rush Out.... the Engineers well a Few look Concerned its like "well NO ONE had Called me to say they coming to Visit"

The Ships then Land on a Docking Platform... and a Draw Bridge Opens on the Ships....

But we do-not see any Engineers.... we see a Synthetic a David maybe (looks like him) and then Human W-Y Military come out of the SHIP.  The W-Y Company has Gained some Engineer Tech... they have Located some Engineer Worlds (worlds they Seeded etc) and the Company is Interested in the Planet and its Resources....

We see our Engineers are NOT really Malevolent... only WHEN they have to be... we see HOW the Engineers will Nurture and Watch Over their Creations who are LOYAL and Behave....

We get to see HOW GREEDY and WICKED that Humans can be... and it will SHOW US to WHY the Engineers saw we NEEDED to be Destroyed...

The Humans from Earth will bring the Horror..... they may then INFORM the Humanoids on this WORLD the Engineers are NOT their GODS... etc... and that KILLING the Engineers will give these Humanoids Freedom and they can Join the Weyland-Yutani Company well Humanity as like in the Star Trek Federation... but in Reality they just want the Planet and its Resources.

But a Engineer Escapes... maybe Protected by the Sacrifice of some of their Humanoid Creations....

IF we see this Engineer Manages to get a Transmission to other Engineers about WHAT has just Happened...... then HOW are the Engineers going to React?

Humans with Engineer Technology and maybe they also Reverse Engineer some of it could be a THREAT to the Engineers.... this FIGHT will NOT be ONE the Engineers could WIN as Easy as 2000 Years ago!

This could be WAR... a WAR OF THE WORLDS...

So YEAH you could go for something like this.... and SET IT like WAY after ALIENS.. like even 2300 or so..... maybe the State of Earth in Alien Resurrection is a Result of the Engineers coming back?

They are Defeated... but MORE could come again.... maybe the Earth needs a Weapon to Deal with them?  And so maybe thats WHY they Start to Clone Ripley DNA to Obtain the Xenomorph to USE against the Engineers?

You could GO for that.....

But then you DONT have to involve Humans from Earth...... as i have Mentioned on other Topics.... the Engineers maybe Seed Humans all over the Place, or they taken some from Earth some Thousands of Years ago and Seeded on a World thats FAR FAR away and some of these become Rebellious and Hijack Engineer Ships instead?

That CANT WORK?.... surely?  Humans who are NOT from Earth! and HOW would they Speak English?

Star Wars anyone?   In a Galaxy Far Far Away.... and YES we have Humans and WHAT are the Chances they Speak English?

Well they could for our Convenience.... and so WHY cant the same be done with the Engineers Plot?

Plenty more to the Plot that Prometheus had gave us.. (Engineers/Creators) than to just Concentrate on W-Y and their Attempts to get their hands on EGGS!

"let's see one movie about planet X and another about planet Y. In this way you can see how they have dealt with different parts of the galaxy (galaxies?)"

The SCOPE is there still..............

Do the Engineers do the SAME with other Worlds as on Earth? If so then there is a Chance that these Worlds have some similar Infrastructure and Architecture as Ancient Earth..... maybe in TIME some of these Worlds would be ALLOWED more Technology... if say their Inhabitants are BEHAVING and Pleasing the Engineers.

I am going to ASSUME the Engineers would NOT go allow Many Worlds to Evolve Technologically to Travel the Stars unless these Worlds are Governed by and have a Heavy Engineer Presence on them.....

You can then also go with the OTHER SIDE of the Coin and to Engineer Worlds and Outposts that maybe have MORE of that HR Giger Aesthetic to them.

The PLOT is Quite Limitless......

*We know the Engineers can Traverse to other Galaxies otherwise WHY would they have the STAR MAPS on their Ships?

And so they can Surely Travel our Galaxy with Greater Ease than Mankind in the Years 2100-2200 and also their Cryo-sleep Tech had kept the Engineer Alive for Thousands of Years.

Faster Ships.... and Cryo-sleep that can Sustain for Thousands of Years would mean that Traverse to Deep Space is NOT a Problem.

And IF the Engineers have had these KIND of Technology for Many Millions of Years then its UNLIKELY they are all Bunched Up within Years Space Travel for Weyland-Yutani between 2100-2125 etc.

"you got to have a good story and well-executed characters"

This Usually means you NEED some Humans to Connect too..... which is ONE REASON that Planet 4 was likely on the Door Step to Earth (within a Year).

NOPE! you just Need to PAY more Attention to the PLOT!

The Engineers had Invested a LOT of Time on Humanity.... they seemed Pleased until we became Rebellious and Behaved in ways that Displeased them...

Put yourself in their SHOES............... Destroy that Creation and Restart and LOOSE like Thousands of Years of Effort or MORE?

YES.... if the Engineers had NO MORE NEED for us or our Genes etc...

YES... if the Engineers had Created other Life that is Very Similar to Humans.

Otherwise you would THINK they would SEND DOWN some Engineers to go and TAKE some Humans (or Infants or ways to Obtain Infants) and TAKE them to other Worlds (if they had NOT already done so)....  then DESTROY what Remains.. (Have to think a bit like NOAH and the Flood here).

so lets go back to 2000 Years ago... 1000, 500.......... can we just ASSUME that the ONLY Place where we have Humans is on Earth?

Do we even COME from Earth in Context to the Franchise/Plot?

So YEAH... there was NO NEED to have Planet 4 being so CLOSE to Earth the MAIN REASON was they Needed to have more Humans come into the FRAY before the EVENTS of ALIEN and so Planet 4 needed to be Closer.

Just as there was NO NEED to have David go and Create the Xenomorph he could have Created something thats more SIMILAR but Different but in seeing HOW he had Created his BEAST we could then think..... AH! so maybe the Xenomorph was Created in a Similar Way by the Engineers some Thousands of Years ago (you leave it OPEN and a Mystery).

"not all horror movies are based on monsters"

Exactly.... and with the Engineers Plot you could have a Movie thats SET in the Ancient Past and Very FAR Away..... it does-not have to come down to MONSTERS.

Just because its SET say 25'000., 50'000 Light Years Away or 5000, 50'000 Years ago does NOT mean we cant have any Technology or Humans, as well as other Races etc.  WHY it could be SET in another GALAXY and it could be SET in Thousands of Years Time etc...

I think we could NOT spend too LONG on the City or Architecture both External and Internal and a LOT has to do with the Running Time and Plot Points.... Alien Covenant seemed to be Pretty Rushed from the Moment that Rosenthal had been KILLED.

It would have been NICE to see more about their Architecture and Technological Level they USE..... they Certainly are FAR from being just Stone Huts ;)

I have heard the Excuse that the City was NOT as HR Giger because of BUDGET... Unless by Budget that they had PAY the HR Giger Estate a LOT of Money.  The Earlier Drafts seemed that the City was more Gothic meets HR Giger.

But with Planet 4 it seemed some of the Buildings had that Ancient Look about them with some Technology applied... It seems that during the Process of working on a STORY and HOW they wanted the World to Appear they went through Various Ideas on WHAT it should look like.... and Ultimately they Dropped the HR Giger Aesthetic.

However the PLOT is these Engineers are our Creators and they Visited us, and Taught us Stuff and that WITHOUT the Engineers we maybe would be Living in Caves and Mud Huts... and so as WE was MADE in their Image then maybe they Helped us to BUILD our Architecture in some Places in the Image of their OWN.

I think a lot of Fans are Bummed Out that our Engineers are NOT all Walking Around in Space Jockey Suits, in More Organic Looking Ships and Living in Buildings that look like something that HR Giger had Designed...  just as SOME of the Fanbase thought we see Engineers who just go AROUND to Spread the Xenomorph across the Galaxy!

The Ancient Astronaut Idea is WHAT is the Backbone of the Engineers Plot, and so its NO WONDER the City had some Aesthetic of Ancient Buildings on Earth as the Engineers had likely Taught us to Build or we have ATTEMPTED to Replicate what our Creators had Lived in.

Otherwise if the Engineers were all about the HR Giger Aesthetic and came to Visit us and Teach us Various Stuff then its maybe a Question of WHY does Ancient Mankind not have anything or ATTEMPT to Build anything that would LOOK like our Bio-Mechanical HR Giger Gods!

If we LOOK at say LV-223 and Ignore the Shots taken ON and OF the Juggernaught then the Outpost does-not have a LOT of HR Giger Aesthetic to them, YES some have used HR Giger Works for Inspiration but then they are Given a NONE... HR Giger kind of Lick of Paint if you would.

Regarding the Clothing it seems for the Main Part the Engineers live a Ritual/Cultist like LIFE where only whats Essential is Required... The Clothing of Ancient Mankind say 1000 Years or more ago... is Practical even as of TODAY. (if you LIVE in a Climate like the Middle East/Greece etc).

If we look at Star Trek the Vulcans and Bajorans all Wear only Practical Garments and they do-not match the Variation of Modern Fashion. But they are Adequate for the Same Function.

The Klingons, the Romulans and Cardassians however they Wear the Exact same Clothing (well i mean Klingons Mainly Dress all the same, and Romulans etc) but thats because we see them in a MORE of a MILITARY like ROLE.

And so the LV-223 Engineers seem to DRESS Differently as they could be Military (RS seemed to Suggest so).  And so for Every Day Life for a Engineer then there is NO NEED for the suits we  saw in Prometheus.

The Elders Scene and Sacrificial Engineer had Dressed in Pretty much the same WAY as those Planet 4 Engineers.  But i think MOST of the Fans prefer to see the Engineers as they are in Prometheus (well the LV-223 Guys) i think IF we get to EXPLORE the Engineers again, then WHY NOT see BOTH types?

"About the hall of heads, it reminds me a bit of the Jedi council in Star Wars 2"

I Certainly get that Impression... ;)

"Juggernauts could in a sense be alive, and are grown"

You could get that Impression with the Derelict, and HR Giger even said he thought the Ships would be Grown!

The Juggernauts however seem WAY MORE like Mechanical/Synthetic, there seems to NOT be a lot of Organic Aesthetic to them.  But while the Derelict looks Truly Bio-Mechanical and we have YET to see HOW the Derelict got to LV-426 then YES it could be OPEN to Explore the Derelict as being Different and that the Engineers had Reverse Engineered, or Based their Designs from SOMETHING ELSE..... that is maybe Created/Grown by some OTHER Race?

It was of Wayne Haags Opinion (and it could be just that) that he FELT the Engineers Technology was STOLEN from someone else.  This could be Explored.

"As Ridley Scott put it: "gardeners"

Exactly i think that was the Main Objective of the Engineers, and its likely they have been Gardening in a LOT of Places.

"that the Juggernaut is not a good war machine"

It depends on what you mean by a War Machine, it Certainly can be USED to bring about DEATH.  Just Dawns to me that if this went up against say the Galactic Empires Destroyers then it would NOT stand a Chance... i would even say W-Y Military Ships of the 23rd Century would Dispatch a Juggernaught.

And so this seems Counter Productive to the TOPIC..... in Part as FAR as Conflict and HOW they Deal with it. By that i mean.....

*It seems the Juggernauts have NO MEANS to Take Out other Ships, not from what we have seen.

*It seems Planet 4 had NO MEANS to Take Out the Juggernaught (unless it was Too Late by the Time they Realized what was going to Happen).

These MAKE Sense IF the Engineers know or FEEL there are NO THREATS as FAR as Worlds that have Advanced Technology because they KEEP EYE on their Creations and other Threats and Eradicate them before they can become Technologically Advanced to POSE any Threat or be able to DEFEND against a Juggernaught and its Cargo.

Then the Juggernauts are FIT for the Purpose to Destroy...... i think the Sacrificial Goo is GOOD ENOUGH as a means to Destroy as in Destroying it will Create and it SHOULD go and Create like the Sacrificial Scene so that MAKES more Sense as a CLEAN THE SLATE kind of Option.

I see the Juggernaught as a Seeding/Evolving Tool.... go and Capture some Tigers and Lions and Subject them to the Sacrificial Goo and Collect the Result (after the Felines have Broken Down) and Store this in the URNS and then RAIN this Down onto a City of Humanoids.... and well we can Assume they would MUTATE into Thundercats or Eventually something Similar will Evolve.

But we Never Saw something like this in Alien Covenant, those Engineers appeared to Suffer from a Poisoning (Pathogen) of Sorts and the Goo Started to Replicate inside and Swarm to other Engineers..... but  in the END what we had was like Statues, they became like Mummified!

The Result of the Black Goo and a WAY the Bio-Weapon was Activated or Programed?

Or maybe the Engineers had some Device that would RELEASE a Energy Blast or something that would KILL ALL LIFE within a Radius, by Turning the Molecules of Life into like Stone (well cause the Engineers to Dry Out).

I am NOT sure those  Working on the Movie had a Explanation or thought that ONE was Needed. (As Far as WHY the Engineers remained like Stone/Mummified).

So YES the Juggernaught can Bring Death, but also Life, i would NOT go and RULE out it as having Multiple Uses.....

But WHEN/IF the Engineers are Faced at Conflict with another Faction who are on Equal Technological Level or against other Races who are Technologically Advanced even as FAR as say Mankind in the Year 2100-2000, then YES the Engineers would NEED to have other Forms of Attack and Defense you would THINK?

If NOT then this Lack of Military Might would become their Undoing...but then to Attempt to Create Horrors on LV-223 seemed to become their Undoing in PART.

Looking at the SCOPE of the Plot that Expands Beyond our Galaxy then i think its UNLIKELY the Engineers have gone around for Millions and Millions of Years without any Conflict with each other...... or maybe we CANT go and Assume there are NO OTHER (Races) or that other Races are ALL at Technological Levels that are NO-WHERE as Advanced as even Earth at Present (2021).

Certainly i think each Movie will Resonate differently Fan to Fan i dont think that Replacing a Movie is the Answer.... dont like AR, lets Remake a Alien 3 Sequel that Ignores  say Alien  Resurrection, there is No Need as you can  make a Sequel to Alien 3 that does-not Conflict with AR.  Some never liked Alien 3 as it KILLED OFF our Ripley but for me her Sacrifice was a Fitting End.

"why is it so difficult for them to come up with something new?"

Thats the Golden Question.....  Blomkamps Alien V and Brandywines both Revolve around Bringing our Heroine Ripley back and removing some Movies from Canon.  That just shows they either Ran out of Ideas or they FELT you cant have a Successful ALIEN Story without Ripley.

The Prequels had OPENED the Door to Expand the Franchise even as FAR as the Xenomorph and Related Horrors.  But its PLOT also meant you could introduce any Number of NEW things.