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Well this is the OP own Opinion.

I think ALIENS is FAR from the Worst Movie in the Franchise, it is POPCORN but it shows you have to do Popcorn Action Well....  I had a Good Amount of Good Characters, Story, Execution, Pacing was Good the Effects were Good.  Its Hard to Fault about from it is merely Popcorn Action and maybe JC had Evolved the Xenomorph to what RS would NOT have.

"The end was supposed to be clear, Ripley was killed by Alien"

This was NOT Part of the Drafts, the Drafts from 1st we had a Single Survivor a Male called ROBY..... this was Changed to Female called RIPLEY for the other Drafts and the ENDING has always been they Survive and the ALIEN gets Blown out of the Shuttle/Airlock.

Ridley Scott had Proposed that the ALIEN should KILL the Survivor Ripley and then Imitate her Voice.... but to be Fair that would have been a Bit Silly and MOST Movies have Survivors.  And so this Idea was thrown out.

"But the worst of all is Cameron's Ripley-Rambo"

Ripley seemed a Tough Character a Female who takes NO BS! Her Experiences/Trauma  did make her into that Rambo Ripley, but the Story Arc seemed OK... i think YEAH was a BIT of a Rambo in HOW she Managed to get to Newt and See Off the Xenomorphs on her OWN that the Marines had Struggled and Most Died trying to do (Face the Xenomorph Threat).  So yeah i think that Scene was a bit OT.

"An indestructible monster has changed into a weird beetle, which can be shot with a shotgun"

Its Hard to say, as the Xenomorph has Acid Blood and this is WHY the Nostromo Crew would DARE NOT to Wound it.... and some Shotguns can PUT A BIG HOLE in any kind of Organism at Close Range!   The Xenomorph did seem more Fodder in ALIENS but we are Dealing with more Open Field of Battle than the Confines of the Nostromo, and the Marines are WELL TRAINED and Armed with Weapons with Explosive Rounds.

The Xenomorph in ALIEN was Tough but we NEVER saw it Attacked Really, so its HARD TO SAY.... but i Doubt it was NO TERMINATOR..... it did seem to NOT be Wounded by Fire though... same we saw in Alien Covenant too.

"a planetoid of 1200 km is a great planet"

This came from ALIEN as well as a 2 Hour Rotation, which makes LV-426 Tiny and also with that Rotation to Size Ratio.... well the Gravity would be Immense... maybe they should have said it was 12'000 KM with a 8 Hour Rotation that would make more Sense.  But this Nonsense came from ALIEN inc the Earlier Drafts.

"That's why no film from this "Alien Universe", either AvP or A: Covenant, is a problem for me. After that awful nonsense, "Aliens"

I would go and Watch say ALIENS and then AVPR back to back and then see how you Feel ;)

"UPLIFT/EVOLVE the Xenomorph"

I'd keep them intelligent but anti-technology, almost a cult like hatred of mechanical things. 

"Eggs as Pre-existing "

Yeah, I'd go with this. Queens producing eggs make more sense then David / Engineers manufacturing them. 

Maybe on Planet Xeno, xenomorphs are a good thing, used like Wolves to thin the heard ( a really nasty planet ), but some how an egg or two got offworld?

The race who cultivates the xeno might be oblivious to the fact that their creation is out there.....No different than if an ancient species visited Earth 70 million years ago and grabbed some T-Rex eggs, Earthlings would be like?!

Kudos to the Poster of the OT (Nice Artwork too).

Seems they was Indeed Very Correct as this Project is what has become Aliens Fireteam Elite

"Leave the derelict and SJ alone."

I think IF we saw Ridley Scott have made the Sequel to ALIEN, or even the Idea he had after.  He seemed to be Interested in Explore as to WHO the Space Jockey was, and while it may have Indicated to HOW/WHEN/WHY the Derelict had the Cargo of Eggs, it seemed that RS would have wanted us to go to the Home-World of the Space Jockey which at the Time may have been Envisioned as a World that would have had more of that HR Giger Aesthetic... Hence the Image i Posted.

And so Ridley Scott would have Explored our Space Jockey Race more.

With James Cameron it seemed we would have been taken to a World that would have been TURNED into Hive and have Millions of Eggs..... And so his Idea could have Turned into "Just another Big Hunt" and so YES could have been more a Star Ship Troopers.....

The Question is would you UPLIFT/EVOLVE the Xenomorph or would they be Merely Bi-Pedal Humanoid in Shape... Space Termites/Ants?  And i you show they can Create Technology and so we see Bio-Mechanical Space Ships that are Piloted by Xenomorphs etc..... then again this could also be a Little on the Starship Trooper side.

Then its IF he would have shown us WHAT the Derelict is and WHAT the Space Jockey was doing with the Eggs?  It seems Cameron sees the Eggs as Pre-existing before the Space Jockey ever came into Contact with them, and so the Space Jockey had the same Intentions as the Weyland-Corp....  well for a Advanced/Ancient Race it makes Little Sense to see the Xenomorph Eggs as Purely a Weapon.

The Derelict and Xenomorph have some Shared Aesthetic and so you would have to ASSUME...

1) The Space Jockey Race had Created the Derelict and Xenomorph.

2) The Xenomorph had Created the Derelict and the Space Jockey are a Enslaved Species or a Creation of the Xenomorphs.

I think that RS idea would have gone for (1) and JC maybe it would have touched on (2) but i think he would Overlook the Aesthetic Similarities and just had the Space Jockey as a Race who had come down to TAKE the Eggs.

"Collaboration? I doubt that would have worked"

Well it did seem that RS and JC was considering it before FOX had gone for making AVP Instead... i think if you Combine both ideas.... then you have BOTH of the Worlds to Explore...

The Space Jockey being a Race who Encountered the Xenomorph (or its Ancestor) and then USED it to Re-Engineer Technology and Genetics from...

"I guess i'm the only one here that doesn't mind a more starship trooper approach to the series"

I think its Very Much like what we see in the Comics which Works... if you do this on the Big Screen then you could END UP with Similar to Starship Troopers, and its NOT that this would NOT work... its can you have like 2-3 Movies that are Similar....

Like say a Aliens 2, Aliens 3 and Aliens 4....... i think that can get Repetitive but thats just my Personal Opinion.

I have Adjusted a Few Scenes from Prometheus like it would look if they used Re-Size Special Effects and the Result gives us a 10ft Engineer.

I think they had this in Mind but then for sakes of Time and Practicality they just went with the LIVE SHOT of the Actors rather than having to Re-scale/Edit the Engineer.  This would add TIME and Budget and Ridley Scott is a FAN of using as LESS after-affects as Possible and trying to CUT COSTS (Why Half the Space Jockey Pilot Chamber and Egg Chamber Scenes Re-Used most of the same SET).

But as we have Discussed on here it seems RS is Happy with the End Product, and NOT every Man is 5ft10 some can be 7.5ft even 8ft... and so we could have 9-10ft Engineers..... Especially if the LV-223 Guys are Genetically Enhanced/Engineered.

"hibernation chamber"

Yes thats a Good Point, this was Clearly made to FIT the Actor Ian Whyte inside and so would Accommodate a up to 8ft Being. (likely 7.5ft)  again these Cyo-Pods where in the Pilot Room for the sakes of Time/Budget as in the Earlier Drafts the Engineer awoken from  another Area and went to a Device to be Fitted into the Space Jockey Suit.

Its just Easier to have Combined the Cryo-Sleep Pods into the Pilot Chamber as far as Budget and Time, and WHILE this makes another Aesthetic Difference to the Derelict we have to Remember the Derelict is likely a Different Model so they are Similar but there Sizes are Different and Internal Layout would be a Little Different.

I would love to see either the xenomorph homeworld or the engineer's homeworld.

I guess i'm the only one here that doesn't mind a more starship trooper approach to the series

Yeah I thought about that....( Maybe a teenage Engineer in Prometheus? 1000 year lifecycle? 200 years till full size...). .....But with the SJ chair fitting him and the hibernation chamber fitting him, I dropped that idea. Unless the ships are grown for you? 

I love RS...But I'm going with Cameron with this one.

Leave the derelict and SJ alone. ( Just another race of space flyers that encountered the Xeno )

Planet xeno sounds like Star Ship Troopers...so I'd take the plot somewhere else...

Collaboration? I doubt that would have worked. Cool to discuss though!

Yeah sometimes you are STUCK with Limitations of Movie Making at the Time, they could have had Prometheus go and USE like CRT but then in the Year 2090 surely our Space Ships would NOT be using CRT... Especially a Flag-Ship.  And thats Basically as to HOW he Explained it... the Nostromo was Basic and NOT a Flag-ship.

I dont think RS would loose Sleep over how OUTDATED the Tech in ALIEN looks for 100 Years from NOW... and i think he would also NOT be Concerned with say HOW the Derelict and Juggernaut and Space Jockey Suits look slightly Different.

But in 2010-2011 you have the Technology to Portray a 10-12 Foot Space Jockey Race, and they had Considered this even as Production Began..  But seems they Decided to just go for USING the 7ft Actors and Play with Camera Angles etc to make them seem Taller......

They could have used Special Effects like we have seen in Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit and in Game of Thrones, but RS is a FAN of using as Less as Possible and having a 7ft Actor who can Directly Interact with the other Cast was his Preferred Choice.

It seems he NEVER had the Intention to SHOW US the Space Jockey event at the Time of Prometheus and so some MYSTERY would have been KEPT.

Where he could have said something like.... so NOT every Human is 6ft.... so NOT every Engineer is 8ft and so we can have some Taller than Average Men at 7-8ft then maybe the Engineers can have Taller than Average Engineers at about 10ft?

"a BIG MISTAKE was that the Space Jockey looked like BONE COLOR"

I think this only applies if the filmmakers revisit the derelict on LV-426. If David opens the seat and we see a 13 ft. mutated Engineer ( the bones at least ) then we'll know.....But if the derelict is rebuilt Prometheus style...Then..*shrug*

The difference is much easier to explain then the difference between the Nostromo CRT tech and the flat panel Prometheus/Covenant tech.

We discussed if RS would do CRT's for Prometheus...Wonder if he would change the SJ on lv426?

Where's Gavin? He had some great derelict insight.

"It'd be cool if David would narrate the history of the Engineers. He must know a bit about them after ten years?"

I think he would Learn Quite a LOT as Ridley Scott had said the Cathedral is where the Engineers had STORED all their Knowledge like a Giant Repository of Knowledge.

It would have been Great to see and Learn more about the Engineers for sure, we do have Ridley Scott and also Jon Spaights has mentioned Quite a Bit about them. And Creation/Evolution and Genetic Engineer seems to be their MAIN OBJECTIVE as Opposed to Creating Horrors to USE to Destroy Life.

"The Juggernauts are both alive and mechanical"

Yes Michelle thats what it seemed from ALIEN.... it was that Strange Merger of Organic and Non-Organic, were you had a Hard Time to FIGURE OUT as to what is Organic and what was NOT... the same can be said about the Xenomorph.

The Juggernaught and Engineer Suits (Space Jockey) did look much more Mechanical and ONLY a SMALL % Organic looking..... again it was a Creative Decision to TONE DOWN the HR Giger Aesthetic.   But Ridley Scott would Claim the Differences are down in Part that in Prometheus they are Pristine/New and in ALIEN they are Degraded and Worn.  But he also indicated that the Ships are Different Models, and One being Older than the other.

I think the Parts of the Aesthetic the Ship looked to have Bone Structures but the Color was Grey-ish and so Matched the Xenomorph to a Degree...  a BIG MISTAKE was that the Space Jockey looked like BONE COLOR...

The Prometheus Chair is a Uniform Grey Color.... the ALIEN one we see some of the Chair is that kind of Color, but some of it has become Washed Out like Bone Color and so is the Space Jockey Suit......  Yet the Rest of the Derelict seems to Maintain that Grey-ish Color.

There is NO real Explanation for this... its something they DONT think we would even Consider to ASK about..... but you could FIND a Explanation well come up with ONE.....  being Thousands of Years Old etc and Derelict could Explain that.  Maybe being a Mix of Organic and Synthetic/Mechanical could too.

This becomes a Problem with the AC Plot.

As far as them being LIVING.... well YEAH thats what HR Giger had thought, he also said he FELT they was GROWN and had also Mentioned about them being like PLANTS.

But it seemed they Steered away from a LOT of ideas of HR Giger and his Aesthetic to a Degree...

Thanks for sharing the information I can't wait to see it!

Alien Covenant is better than Prometheus because it is less complicated to follow, and there is less inconsistency in the situations and behaviors of some characters. On the other hand, the film tends to be a little too predictable, and some characters are more highlighted than others, who are more of the figuration

Gonna pick it up...Now to find the time!

It'd be cool if David would narrate the history of the Engineers. He must know a bit about them after ten years?

David ( voice over )"...The Engineers ever expanding empire was never seriously challenged..."

Footage of juggernauts and large cities.

"..But all good things must come to an end....."

Footage of death and destruction.

"The arrival of the Slomalgut ( dead ones ) championed their end. A terrifying race of super beings, bent on the cultivation of living tissue....."

"...The Engineers quickly began modifying themselves in a failed attempt to slow down the Slomalgut ....."

Seems it could be FUN.....

Sadly i do-not have the Spec PC for this (mine is 15 Years Old) and well my Power House Games Console is a PS3/Xbox360 which i have NOT Played in 5 Years lol

Maybe one of those could do with a Long Overdue UPGRADE but i said that with the NEW Star Wars Battle Front (I had/loved the Originals from 2004-2005).

I will add that we have NOT yet had a Conclusion... and so we can Speculate a Little.

IF they got to Conclude the Prequels we could always be Introduced to Taller Humanoids who they can Reveal as either a Sub-Creation of the Engineers or even the Engineers Creators.  They could make this Race/Being as 10ft Tall and they could be Very Human/Engineer looking or maybe Slightly Different.

Maybe like this? or even Less Human.

I do Suspect that IF we got a Conclusion then the Revelation i Suspect would have been either a Sub-Creation by David or David himself.  Even if this would NOT be 13-15ft Tall... i dont think RS would have Cared about HOW things looked Physically it would be as Michelle said... HOW the STORY FITS and is TOLD that is more Important to Ridley Scott.

Regarding the Space Jockey being something the Engineers had Created/Engineered.... then YES i think that was what we was being SHOWN as FAR as the LV-223 Engineers being those PILOTS and also being a Enhanced Super Soldiers of their Society.

IF we are willing to ACCEPT those LV-223 Engineers are a Engineered/Enhanced version of the Engineers then WHO is to say the Engineers have NOT got even more BIGGER GUYS they have Genetically Enhanced?

The Middle Image is what we would have GOT had say the Space Jockey Suit been about 10ft as Intended before Mid-Production and Shooting.

While its NOT as BIG as the 13ft Space Jockey, it would look Close Enough and well the GUY had Grown out of his Chair ;)

And who is to say there are NOT like 9-10ft Engineers or Sub/Enhanced Creations?

I dont think that RS had EVER intended to show us the Actual Space Jockey from ALIEN so it did-not Matter to him (Kept it a Mystery), but with the Direction of AC i think had he Concluded the Prequels it would NOT have bothered HIM if we had to Accept the Space Jockey would be the SAME as the Pilot in Prometheus.

But i do Suspect he would have THROWN a Curve-ball that would have Displeased the Fans.

I think Regarding what Ridley Scott had intended, then for me it was NO Surprise the Space Jockey were BALD HUMANOIDS as this is WHAT we saw with HR Gigers Concepts for ALIEN, and also his Space Jockey Concept looked like a Space Suit.

It was intended to have a Taller Race of Engineers but it was a Creative Decision at the Time of some of the Production to go with a Smaller Engineer/Space Jockey Race because Ridley Scott does Prefer to be as Practical as Possible and like to NOT use CGI if he can.  This is in Part as to WHY we had Zombie Fifield as RS was a Fan of the Work that Sean Haris had put into the Action Scene.

I think that YES there are Differences Aesthetically between the Derelict and Juggernaught and Engineers Space Suit and the Space Jockey, but these are INTENDED and RS was Happy with the Result, while they MAY-NOT look the Same they are Intended to be for all Intensive Purposes and RS does-not LOOSE any Sleep over HOW they are NOT like Identical etc.

The Scale of the Engineer is something that RS does-not have a Issue with either, and so IF we had a Conclusion then maybe we should NOT go and Expect to see a 13ft Being in that Pilot Chair.

The Actual Pilot Chairs of the Derelict and Juggernaught are Similar, including the Size, its only in ALIEN and Prometheus the Pilots are NOT the same Size, but as Dallas has said "it looks like its GROWN out of the Chair" and so that could be ALL the Explanation we NEED/GET.

For me the Slight Aesthetical Differences were NO PROBLEM... the Scale was a BIT, i think its a Shame our  Engineers were NOT like 9-10ft Tall, but this does-not RULE-OUT there are 9-10ft Tall Engineers.

I love this game

"...evolutionary techniques on themselves"

This makes total sense from a human standpoint, who doesn't want to be taller, stronger, faster, etc...? I can only imagine what humans will do to themselves given the technology.  Instead of super soldiers...maybe designer genes are where it's at?

Ah like branching storylines

On the question of size and slight differences in design that is merely artistic licence. It is entirely clear from one of the Furious Gods Documentary PODS that they worked painstakingly to 'make' the reveal in Prometheus work and for the audience to make the connection. People may not like it but that's the reality.

My own view is that Monster Zero moves into much more fertile and interesting territory when he speculates on how the Space Jockey has come about. 

In my work, both the Juggernauts and their pilots are the result of playing with the creation tool. The Juggernauts are both alive and mechanical and the underlying matrix which drives them has one source which manifests itself in a number of different ways. 

The creatures of the Moon have not only pursued sub-creation through hosting but also experimented with evolutionary techniques on themselves and other living creatures. The thing that they created drives everything and in the case of ship/pilot leads to a symbiotic relationship which Elizabeth and to a much greater extent David interfaces with. 

I also felt it was important to elevate in the story the particular Engineer and his ship which became the SJ and Derelict. Like the Engineer celebrated/worshipped in the Pyramid, the SJ has a unique and important back story. 

In a sense what I am saying is the physical distinctions are much less important than how you place these characters in the story you wish to tell. If they are crucial to the story in a unique way that makes them "big" in a much more profound sense and can give them importance in a new and intreaguing way.  

Love that artwork!   ( Was the NewBorn done forming? Most think the Deacon, like the newborn, was an infant? Takes awhile for the xeno....)

I'd like to think the SpaceJockey ( Alien ) is a mutated military abomination created by the Engineers splicing their own genes. Creating super soldiers.....probably exactly what the militaries on Earth would do if they could!

So the Engineers created super soldiers and gave them modified / upgraded juggernauts? 

I still think you could Explore the Space Jockey as something Else.

As i have indicated on this Topic what we have is a Space Suit where its ONLY the Skull that looks kind of like a Skeleton.

I came Across this Work by Noely Ryan

I think its a BIT too much like the NewBorn but i could Imagine where the NOSE AREA is having a Snorkel/Breathing Pipe Connected to it that Connects to the Suit/Chair....  so the Suit does-not have a Helmet per-say and EVEN if we USE the other Fifield Concept that i have used in this TOPIC in the same Way.

I think either could WORK as a Alternative Space Jockey to Introduce them as a Different Taller Species.

"My character becoming a cyborg is based off of Dr. Eisenberg from the AVP2 video game, the events of AVP2/Primal Hunt is also canonical to my fanfiction"

Yeah the AVP2 Game was Good and this is the KIND of Time-Line that the AVP Movie should have been SET IN..... i do think Disney would Reboot the AVPU at some point.

When doing this  (AVP) you have the Freedom to Add/Remove some things from Canon, or Completely go and Re-Write it as a Alternative Take.

I think with the Removal of Alien 3: etc what Blomkamp was doing would be to say "hi guys lets just suppose that Ripley, Hicks and Newt all arrived Home Safe and Sound" and it was to OFFER a Alternative Path... it would NOT have been to make Alien 3 Null and Void but to just OFFER like a Alternative Future after ALIENS.  And so Fans could go and Enjoy Both Alternative Paths after ALIENS... or some could Choose to IGNORE his ALIEN V and stick with Alien 3 or Vice Versa.

The Brandywine Alien V (David Giler/Walter Hill) seemed that some MOVIES would have merely been DREAMS of Ellen Ripley... and who KNOWS to HOW FAR this would have gone... maybe it Happens Many Years after ALIEN and that all the Movies after and before ALIEN are just Dreams of Ripley... its Hard to say.

I will add that it may have been Disappointing to have NOT gone and Explored any Buildings apart from the Colossal Cathedral, there SIMPLY was No Time but we could have got some Closer Shots...

The Colossal Cathedral does have a Ancient Aesthetic to it but we have to BARE IN MIND that its like the Focal/Central Point its a Place of Great Importance like say Saint Peter's Basilica or the Pantheon in Italy, or even Hagia Sophia in Turkey for Example.

And so its Ancient and Important and still USED for Rituals/Religion etc.

We could go to the Year 2100 and the Saint Peter's Basilica will be Standing and Used, its NOT like people will be like "man this building is OLD, lets knock it down and build something Modern"

The Cathedral did have some Technology like on the Roof, its also Gigantic in Size, to the Left of the Cathedral and bit Forwards we have what looks like a Landing Platform too.  I think it would be Interesting to Explore and see the Engineers again either on other Worlds or maybe Flash Backs where we can see more of their Society and Technology and show us the Right Balance of a Ancient kind of Living with the Right Balance of Technology too.

In Star Wars we see a lot of Ancient looking Buildings/Palaces and Dress... why the Jedi and Sith seem to Wear Potato Sacks ;)  (joke) but then you also have that Technology like we see with the Storm Troopers and also Darth Vader.

I think with Prometheus we have TWO Contrasting Styles too the Elders/Sacrificial Scene and LV-223 Guys.... it seems the LV-223 could be more Military (which RS seems to Indicate) but to me their Suits seemed to be something more of a Bio-Hazard (Space Jockey) and so to LIKELY go and Offer Protection from the GOO....

The Under/Sleeper Suit seemed to ALLOW them to Connect to the Cryo-Sleep Pods but also seemed to be Fused to their Skin and seemed to ALLOW them to Breath outside on LV-223 where as in the Complex and Ships the Environment was Breathable to Humans.  And so a LOT of the more Modern and Bio-Mechanical Clothing/Suits could be Merely where it is Necessary rather than for any Day to Day, or Ritual/Cultural Reasons... and it Certainly seems that High Fashion is something the Engineers are NOT into, much like Forms of Entertainment (No 60" LED TV's and Games Consoles for them).

Its a Shame we NEVER saw much Technology of the Engineers, i would have LOVED to had seen this Orrery (even if just the Actual Projector and Hologram Display).

You could have then had David talk to Oram/Daniels more about their Colonization Mission and where they are going....  Which they would say Origae-6 in the XXX Constellation and then David could show them the ORRERY and Operate it and then Select the System and Zoom in on it....

Oram could say they are looking to Escape Earth and Start a New Eden... then David could say well it looks NOTHING like Paradise, bit Baron i suppose then Quote "there is nothing in the desert. No man needs nothing" then David could ask WHY they came here instead (Planet 4) and Oram can say because it looked more Suitable.  Then David could say YES what a Paradise this was, then say the Galaxy has Many Earth like Worlds, the Engineers have been Very Busy but are Very Protective.

Something like this in a Scene with that ORREY would have shown off the Engineers Technology, it would give a Insight to Oram that Mankind are NOT alone in the Galaxy and that Edens like Earth are Everywhere.....

A Scene like ABOVE would also be a Plot Device to HOW the Engineers could Find David.... because they could go to the ORREY and see that its been SET to take a Close Look at Origae-6.... so Returning Engineers could then be like.... WHY? Lets go Check it out... "maybe this is where those who did this to our World have gone!"

" I would have been fine with maybe twenty extra minutes,"

I think what we have to Remember is the STUDIO would like to get the Movie to be Seen by as Many as they can, and thats to Attract like NOT ONLY the Hardcore Fanbase... but the Casual Viewer and so its a Case of them thinking would the Casual Audience want to SIT through say 2.5-3 Hours?

When you make a STORY/DRAFT that would Equate to say LONGER and so would NOT FIT within say a 100 Min Run Time.... then sometimes they CUT like 20-40 Min Of Footage from what was say Intended as a 120-150 Min Story and so YEAH this can have a Effect..... some Deleted Scenes really do HELP us with the Story...

"The Engineers didn't even need to have Space-Jockey suits"

Yeah there could be Suits they can have for Certain Needs like Space Flights, we have to Assume that David and Dr Shaw had NOT Needed any Suits to CONTROL/FLY the Juggernaught.

I know that some Fans are Disappointed we NEVER had more of a Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic but as i said before if we IGNORE the Juggernaught then LV-223 was a Place that Never had a LOT of that Derelict Aesthetic either.

We do-not get to see a CLOSE LOOK at the City but its NOT ALL the Look of say Rome some 2000+ Years ago.  There is some Similarity because it would seem that the Engineers Designs had Influenced our Ancient Structures.... It would have been NICE to see some Pyramids on Planet 4.

The Engineers have a Very Ritualistic/Cultist look about their Culture, so they Build and Dress for Practicality, and so we DO-NOT see the Variation of Fashion as we do say in Modern Earth Cities.  And so its has i have said they would LIVE like say how AMISH people do... if you go to a AMISH VILLAGE you dont see much Diversity or Color with their Clothing... other Cultures are like this... (I dont Intend this to become Political) but if we look at the Variation of Dress in Afghanistan say 25+ Years ago, compared to say LAST 5.... well NOW in 10 Years maybe we can see that Country go back to where People would WEAR more Similar Clothing....

So its a Cultural thing about Modesty and Practicality, and so a Buddhist Monk has NO NEED for like Wearing Sports Clothing and NIKE! Sneakers/Trainers etc.

So the Engineers Dress similar to say Most Humans would have like say Hundreds of Years ago (500+), it would seem they may DRESS in Different Stuff for Certain Reasons..... like Military or Space Exploration.

So the Above is NOT what we Wear on a Day to Day Basis.... and so the Engineers as FAR as something more Futuristic like the LV-223 Engineers could be something they DO for like Space Travel/Military...

The Sacrificial Engineers Scene they all WORE the same kinds of Garments that we saw the Planet 4 Engineers wearing.

"Bombing worlds with Xeno-weapons is one of the things that I imagine them to do, but there could be more to the Engineers than that"

Yeah there is more to them than that.... but depends on WHAT i just dont see them being as Varied in Interests, Hobbies and Past Times as what Modern Man has.... so they would likely LIVE in more Basic Manner.

But thats NOT to say there are other Engineer Worlds and Engineers who will Dress in a Different Way, depending on what their Role is....

Some Concept Work (so seems) had a more Different Looking Engineer City but the Engineers still Dressed the same as we saw in Alien Covenant. The Concept Works for Prometheus the Engineers wore Robes in some Concepts and just Loincloth in others.... apart from the Space Jockey Suits etc.

Again there is the Potential to go to other Engineer Worlds were there could be a Different Aesthetic to their Dress and Architecture.

"Does he care about the Engineers?"

I think he does..... the Question is would they be LINKED or make a Appearance in the TV Series?  This could be a RISK but so the same can be said about THE PLOT in General if we are going to have it SET on Earth in a Time-Line prior to say 2090

"What about a pyramid or a strange building in general? We have already seen derelicts/ empty space-ships"

With a NOT TO DISTANT FUTURE setting they its UNLIKELY it will be the Same kind of Plot of say ALIEN it could be the Xenomorph Threat could be Unearthed on Earth.... YEAH AVP again ;)

The Above is LIKELY were our Xenomorph Threat will come from..... It has that Engineer Aesthetic to it.... so its either the Inside of a Ship or a Complex... maybe it could be a Pyramid etc?

It could be Likely this is on EARTH and so its a Question of WHEN/HOW?

It looks Submerged to a Degree so i think its a Sunken Ship or Sunken Outpost.

There really is NOT a LOT that we know at the Moment.... just it seems the TV Series will touch upon the Tech Giants and Corps and how they USE others to GET what they Want...... and so we will see People from more Common or Poor Backgrounds think they are getting a OPPORTUNITY but they are going to be Merely Pawns..... so it will show Cases of the Worst of Humanity but then we will see maybe the Best of Humanity too.

It does seem it will Address A.I as a Threat.... but the we will see a Ancient Threat come into PLAY (Xenomorph?  maybe Engineers?).   But depending on the Time-Line i think this either will REBOOT or NOT be Canon (Alternative Canon) or i CANT THINK of HOW it WONT go and Conflict the Franchise.

At the Moment i am a Little Concerned.

"You can have no Xenos but have variations of it. Star Wars is about more than the Skywalkers"

Exactly ;)  I think the Prequels with Prometheus had OPENED UP the Franchise to more Possibilities its just Unfortunate that we may LIKELY never see these Explored. (inc Engineers)

"Colonists is a possibility, space-military, corporate garbage, chemistry, nukes, biological weapons, pharma-companies, space-gangsters"

I think these are more LIKELY as far as the TV Series and IF we get another Alien Movie, i think you will see Xenomorph Connections but i think other Elements above could be Fleshed Out.... i also think that A.I will be Explored more too.  Sadly more about the Engineers, what other Worlds/Races they Created, their History/Agenda and Horrors are things i am NOT sure we will see again.... NOT SOON anyway.

I think we would be more LIKELY to see some kind of Reboot/Retcon of Canon/Plot when we get our TV Series and any Movies.

If we get a COMPLETE REBOOT... as i said before all you have to KEEP is the ALIEN and the Company... you dont need same Characters, or Same Ship or Exact same Plot....  as thats just a REHASH! (Robocop)

I would be OPEN for a RE-IMAGINING though. (Planet of the Apes).

"One is a director that is tired of the monster so it's just shown fast, he is interested in David so we get scenes that are dragged out"

Yeah there was Quite a LOT to the PLOT and they would have a Run-Time to try and FIT it all in, and it seemed RS was NOT a Fan of the Monsters he wanted a BIGGER STORY to be Told and a LOT of that would Revolve through David which i know some Fans are NOT that into.

I get the Impression that RS was NOT really a FAN of making a Prometheus Sequel into a Monster Movie, it seemed Creation, Rebellion and other Themes are WHAT he wanted to Cover and it would seem the LACK of Screen Time for the Engineers is NOT really what he would have Wanted... but its a Result of the STUDIO wanting to make the Prometheus Sequel become a Trilogy Series to then Connect to ALIEN and so the Xenomorph would have to come into Play and looking at HOW you have to have the Xenomorph Creation and then HOW it gets onto LV-426 with a Time-Line where there would be NO Xenomorphs as of 2095 meant they had to Shoe-Horn a lot into the Movie, which included bringing in more HUMANS and this is HENCE why our Planet 4 was so CLOSE to Earth.

I think that many Movies have Throw Away Characters who are Required for PLOT DEVICES and to Allow Certain Part of the Plot to Unfold.  Unfortunately if you cant get Good Character Development then you just WONT CARE about the Death of Certain Characters.  When you are doing a Action/Horror then its NOT that Easy to have say 5-8 Characters you can Really Connect with. Prometheus was NOT so Bad.... but again the Characters who you could Connect with NEEDED more Screen Time and with Alien Covenant well you just could NOT go and Connect with MOST of the Characters.

Its a Problem with you have say 2-3 other Characters you Connect with (who have Less Screen Time) more than the Main 2 Characters (not Inc David/Walter).

AVPR may have not done too Good at the Box Office, but its a Shocking Bad Movie, that is something you just cant go and watch more than 2-3 Times...

"New things are welcome if you ask me"

It seemed this was what RS had in Mind before the STUDIO felt you had to have the Xenomorph, and they could have had Similar and Changed it but it seems the STUDIO felt you had to have Xenomorphs and with TRYING to do something NEW its a Case of Certain Fans will EXPECT to have Xenomorphs and for those to NOT be Changed too much......  The Studio also thinking this is WHAT the Fans want.

I Fear if we get a TV Series or Movie then the Xenomorph will be WHAT they think has to PLAY a Big Part and its a Case of IF they have New Things would those be about Engineers, Different Horrors, Different Worlds/Races?

I doubt it NOW... so it be Basically similar to Alien-Alien 4 etc but maybe they would DELVE into the Company and WHY they want the Xenomorph more.

The Xenomorph is Iconic... i just Wonder as to HOW OFTEN can you just Rinse and Repeat?

The way things are at Disney, I doubt they'll hire Margot Robbie as Ripley.

AVPU on the timeline is between 2193-2230

So many of the events from the expanded universe have happened like the aforementioned Earth War Trilogy since the prologue is heavily dependent on the Earth War Trilogy canon due to a xenomorph infestation taking place on earth.

My character becoming a cyborg is based off of Dr. Eisenberg from the AVP2 video game, the events of AVP2/Primal Hunt is also canonical to my fanfiction. 

I wrote AVPU to be a unifications of all the Alien canons, I only remove certain canons if they contradict Prometheus, Alien Covenant (Novel), Alien, or Aliens. While also writing an original story around these ideas.

I know some people might be lost if they read AVPU, since I don't think all Alien fans would read the comics or play the video games.

Like MonsterZero prefers a more streamline and simplified timeline over the long history of how the alien universe developed from humble beginnings to when the xenomorph was discovered, then rediscovered, then lost to time, to resurrection of the species.

Well, BigDave, I kind of decanonize ALIEN 3 and ALIEN RESURRECTION in my fanfiction so I could have Newt and Hicks in my story. Although I canonize the unedited version of the Earth War trilogy; right now the way things turned out in AVPU, I haven't had the chance to include Newt and Hicks in my current chapters since i've been focusing on my other characters.

Although I do canonize several concepts from Alien 3 and Resurrection, just not the events of the movies themselves. With ALIEN 3 I could recanonize it but with the way this website works on original post I cannot edit the part where I said I decanozied it however I already planned a chapter with Hicks and Newt being alive on Alexandria colony. 

With Alien Resurrection, well I am never going to canonize that film since I am the only person here who doesn't like Joss Weadon. So no AFTERMATH of Resurrection.

So far my stories revolves around dealing with Weyland Yutani's xenomorph and yautja experiments. Later on I will touch on the themes of the xenomorph's origins. 

So far the concepts I plan on is the xenomorphs are older than David and thus an engineer creation based on the original starbeast.

"COMPLETE REBOOT"

I can read it now:

Fan: "Sigourney Weaver will always be MY Ripley! Margot Robbie is a horrible choice!...I don't care how hot she is......unless they include that shuttle scene.....Hmm...that might work!!...Margot will make an excellent Ripley!!"

The casting for Ripley would be an amazing way to generate interest.....Or at least gauge it.

You mention running-time, I would have been fine with maybe twenty extra minutes, so we could have seen more of the environment and also have more character-development. If you do it, so the run-time becomes more important then you risk the movie, so it will likely become a failure, which Covenant became. Look at the box-office numbers in case you doubt if Covenant didn't do well.

Rosenthal was like most of the characters, meaningless. She was just there to make things happen. Things go to happen in a movie, and for that you need characters. They were just there to support the story, while the story should be centered around those in it. Unfortunately she was even worse executed than even Daniels.

I wonder if we will see concept art of the earlier looks of the Engineer city? That would be interesting to at least have a glimpse of what could have been. You might not want it to look like Giger, but that's no excuse to do what they did because it could be good-looking without the Giger esthetics. You mention the budget, but they could have made it look more interesting even though the budget was limited. Even though the amount of money was limited, at least they could have come up with something better.

The Engineers didn't even need to have Space-Jockey suits because I imagine that the SJ-suits are put on like clothing that war-pilots use. You could argue that it goes against the bio-mechanical thing if you imagine it like that, but it's a possibility. Bombing worlds with Xeno-weapons is one of the things that I imagine them to do, but there could be more to the Engineers than that. For example, the Orchs from the Lord of The Rings don't just only go to war killing people with clubs, right?

"The Ancient Astronaut Idea is WHAT is the Backbone of the Engineers Plot, and so its NO WONDER the City had some Aesthetic of Ancient Buildings on Earth as the Engineers had likely Taught us to Build or we have ATTEMPTED to Replicate what our Creators had Lived in."

I understand that, it still looked lame compared to what it could have been.

Why mankind looks nothing like the Engineers? Easy, they didn't feel the need for us to look exactly like them. Just because they made something inspired by them doesn't mean that they got to be like copies but have things in common.

"And so for Every Day Life for a Engineer then there is NO NEED for the suits we saw in Prometheus."

I agree, but I think that they should have looked more interesting. There are artistic choices that you do when you design a thing, so I think that they could have done better. You don't need to make them look like humans dressed in old potato bags made from cloth.

BD

"The Flip Side of that is he seems to think the Importance is NOT the Xenomorph, and so having him Involved could mean we see the Weyland Company and A.I being involved a LOT more than the Xenomorph"

Not sure if I trust that, he mostly seems to be into androids (Covenant and Raised By Wolves) and I don't like any of them that much. If he would be involved we would see more of AI/androids, and I don't want that, at least not as the main-focus, they could be used by corporations but not be what it's about. Does he care about the Engineers? The Engineers should be brought back because I think they are needed to expand it.

"Conflict his Movies"

So it's an ego-thing? I don't trust Scott that much by now after the prequels. They should give someone else a try. Unfortunately it seems to me that he is more of a burden at this point but everything that is bad about the prequels isn't his fault.

"And that we will also come ACROSS a Engineer Ship/Complex that is somewhat Submerged."

What about a pyramid or a strange building in general? We have already seen derelicts/ empty space-ships. I would like them to try new things as long as it has a good design and makes sense to the story then why not? Don't do a lot of re-makes even if it's just parts in the story. Do new things tweak them and see how they can fit into the alien-universe, even O'Bannon and Giger started somewhere.

Time-travel is too obvious, they should do something new. There are other things that they can do to explain it, they just got to figure out smart and interesting things and not just run with what ever their first idea is that pops up in their heads.

"The Biggest Concern for me is the TIME-LINE and HOW do they NOT have this Conflict or Contradict the WHOLE FRANCHISE?"

Throw the prequels away and pretend that they never happened? I would rather see that than to continue what Covenant started.

BD

You can have no Xenos but have variations of it. Star Wars is about more than the Skywalkers and Kill Bill has more than Thurman's character. There are different parts that you can pick out and spin in different ways. By having the Engineers, you could develop the monster, but they messed it up with the David-connection. Having it connected to the Engineers is something that I would have no problems with.

Colonists is a possibility, space-military, corporate garbage, chemistry, nukes, biological weapons, pharma-companies, space-gangsters (not Jabba the Hutt).

"You could Even  go and Explore that the Xenomorph Evolves a bit and Creates its OWN very ALIEN Technology and Ships but this would be a Aesthetically better looking Version of Starship Troopers.... i am NOT saying this Cant Work..."

Interesting, that would show that they are intelligent but don't explain too much (Aliens). No queen please that is too obvious.

"COMPLETE REBOOT"

If that's what's needed to evolve the franchise then maybe. By doing that you're not as much tied to past things but you got to get it right. Terminator 1 and 2 are good, I don't care about the rest.

"Ripley was the MAIN Character in all the Franchise the Problem with Alien R is that the other Characters just NEVER stood out..."

That has been the problem with all alien-movies after Alien 3. One movie or more they got to work otherwise we'll get disappointments like the prequels or AR. You mention Fury 161, they could do something about corporations and privatized police or military. I would like to see more about the Engineers and not just as pissed off giants. Keep the Engineers and make them interesting, that could become something good.

I would like to see something different rather than seeing a Xeno for the 100th time, or another android-movie. Please no more alien-queens because they are done. Maybe you can tie it to climate change, it could work if they get it right and get a good story because that theme is important. Alien Covenant was about a mad robot the way it came off on the screen and yes it was about more than that but that is how I think of it when I see the movie.

I'm not very sad if we won’t see a continuation of the prequels, since they have already made a mess of them. A TV-series would be preferred for now since I doubt that they feel like continuing on the big screen at least with the prequels.

Nothing is better than more of something that has the quality of the prequels or AR. There has got to be something better than what we've had since at least 1997.

AC turned out the way it did because of different things I can imagine. One is a director that is tired of the monster so it's just shown fast, he is interested in David so we get scenes that are dragged out and has a focus that I'm not in it for. Unfortunately I guess that Scott just threw the monsters in there without even caring that much about them. Fox probably thought that all we wanted was creatures but no there need to be more than that. What was new and interesting (the Engineers) was pushed aside and they didn't get a writer that could do characters. You just can't blame only Blomkamp for what Covenant became.

"Oram go off to look for Rosenthal"

Oram was alright but could have been better written, Rosenthal was meaningless like most of the characters because she had no personality. I don't blame the actors I guess that they need better writers that can write characters so we don't get what we have been given in the prequels.

"After AVPR had Bombed a bit"

A bit? That's to put it mildly, AVPR is one of the worst movies that I've seen ever.

Maybe another Alien-movie could work but then I don't think that it should have a connection to what we've seen this far. By doing that they could come up with new things and not be tied to what we've seen before. I would like to see a connection between the Engineers or something related to them given that you show the connection. New things are welcome if you ask me.

Not too excited about this to be honest. It has always been about the human journey to me and even though AVP (2004) was alright as entertainment, most of the human characters weren't that good. Unfortunately, if we'll get another AVP I guess that it won't be that great unless they have really learned what didn't work with the two previous movies. The first one was popcorn entertainment, watchable but not very good, but the second one was vomit. Make it a one-off, that could work.

It seems to me that they need a decent script, characters that we care about (more than 2-3) and fairly good actors for it to work. Focus on the human journey, the monsters are there to support it. The prequels have shown us how to not make things.

Have it on some unknown planet, so it adds to the mystery. Usually designing the planets isn't the problem, the problem this far seems to be the characters, and you need a good story. If you get those two things right you seem more likely to get a good result and also don't cut character-scenes just for run-time because that trashes it (prequels).