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MonsterZero

I like the rich history of the current timeline

The Problem with Reboots is they are usually messy and become been there done that. Unless done right and have a good writing team and visionary.

well the xenomorphs in ALIENS still were a tough bunch to fight, i don't think they were cannon fodder since we only saw a few xenomorphs visibly dying on screen. The marines were always on the defensive and never on the offerensive

This timeline is just too damn long.

I'm starting to be in favor of a reboot / reimagining.

Instead of Ripley floating in space for 57 years ...Have Weyland Yutani investigate the loss of the Nostromo and immediately begin ALIENS.

Ripley is found and recovered after about a month in the Narcissus.

Marines and the corp. interrogate her while she's still in the Calpamos system, forcing her return to LV-426. ( Amanda is still alive )

No crazy idea about terra-forming a tiny worthless moon (Lv-426).

Keep the marines ( Hicks, Hudson, Bishop, Etc...) Keep Newt or dump her.....( She could be aboard a mom and pop salvaging ship there to loot the Nostromo or something )

Instead of the action based around a terra forming plant, have it aboard the Juggernaut or in some Pyramids / tombs.

Bishop has to make his way through incredible creepy Juggernaut tunnels....Multiple queens...You name it.

Aliens 3 ...10 years later

A:R twenty years after Ripley's death.

Alien: V 1 month later Earth finds out about the xeno.

Keeps the technology from getting out of hand.

Man you did a better job then me at organizing the ERAs

(clap clap clap)

This just dilutes and divides the franchise even more (IMHO). It's going to be Filmed with B-actors and directors. Straight to Video On Demand...Might as well be TV series.

David 8 is a great link to the past, easy to tie the series together ( make it somewhat coherent ). Having to resurrect or clone someone ( Ripley ) to tie the series is awkward.

I'd rename the Engineers the Nukkumassa, Finnish for sleeping.

Reawakening David 8 would be cool. 

Tall Man "What do you remember?"

David "Not much I'm afraid"

Tall Man "What can you tell us about the starship Prometheus?"

It takes David 30 seconds to respond 

David "I have no memories of this vessel"

"so Mankind can Reclaim it back"

A dead earth trilogy would be awesome.

I think that YEAH they are better off to make AVP as NOT any way Canon.... as in the AVP Movie and AVPR.

The Advantage with AVP is that you can MESS with the Canon and Lore of the Franchises and BEND them a bit...

Do they even Explore some Elements of the Prequels as in the Engineers?  With Prometheus it had OPENED the Door to a Expanded Universe of Races/Worlds.... Plenty of Places to go HUNTING!

The Problem with the AVP Franchise we had, was to SET IT on Earth in the Early 21st Century..

The Next Time we see the Xenomorph could again be in the 21st Century on Earth (TV Series) which i think would be a MISTAKE!

If they Reboot the AVP Franchise and do-not make the same Mistake (SET ON EARTH, before say 2200) then i think MAYBE it could Work...

This does-not go and Surprise me.... ive said since the Disney take over that its LIKELY we would see a AVP Reboot before seeing any Alien V or Alien Covenant 2 etc.

Disney like their POPCORN.....

And the AVP Franchise is just that Action Horror Popcorn.. the Problem with the AVP Movies was the Setting..... and then Execution...

The AVP Universe should be SET in the Time-Line of like 2150-2250.  And IF they do that and do it RIGHT then i think this could be a MONEY MAKER for Disney.

I think as long as they Show it as a Alternative Reality then it can Work....

I think this is WHERE a Alien TV Series would be Good... you can have it like the American Horror Story where Each Season will Cover something Else but have a Connection to Each other...

The Problem is having Fans see a ALIEN TV Spin Off and NOT have it about Xenomorphs.

2025-2050 Era in the Alien Universe is a Era that in Part would Encompass the Advancements that Weyland Industries are making, at this Point it seems Weyland is interested in Genetic Engineer/Cures for Ailments and  Diseases, but he also is Heavily Invested in Creating Synthetic Humans.   He has other Ambitions too.... which would Include the Advancement to get Humans to Explore beyond our Solar System.

The Yutani Company also have their OWN Projects and seem to be Heavily Involved in IT/A.I and Communications but also more into Military Application. But there are likely other Companies/Factions with Grand Ideas of Technological Domination.

The 2050-2075 Era is where we would have come to a Common Use for Synthetics/Robots, its also where Space Travel and World Building would come into Play.

The 2075-2100 Era is the Era where the Galaxy is our Oyster (well the Near By) as this would be the Period of Advanced FTL Travel and its Advancements, where each Decade that Passes the Further we can GO into Deep Space.  And so this is the Era of Exploration.... looking for Moons/Worlds to MINE for Resources, to Set-Up Outposts... while looking for that GOLDEN NUGGET...  Earth like Worlds.

The Tail End of this Era would see the Disappearance of Peter Weyland and the MERGER of the Weyland-Yutani Company or the Beginnings.

The Era of 2100-2125 would be Similar to the Above as we Travel the Stars looking at Worlds to Gain Resources and Set-Up Outposts...  The Weyland-Yutani Corp likely being THE or ONE of the Major Forces in World Building and other stuff.... a MONOPOLY that they are a MAIN PLAYER...

This is the Era also of the Xenomorph Origins.... its the Era that Special Order 937 will come from.

The Next 50 Years and so 2125-2175 is a Era where World Building Far and Wide is a Reality, where we have the Colonial Marines, and its a Era with some Mystery.

WHY (or have they) Not gone back to LV-223, LV-426, or Planet 4 and Origae-6 and the like.   And so this is a POTENTIAL Era to Explore a ALIEN Movie or TV Series.

The Next Era of 50 Years from 2175-2225, what is it like on Earth and other Colonies, are Synthetics a Important Part?  The Weyland Yutani Corp had Wanted the Xenomorph for its Weapons Division, and so after the Sacrifice of Ripley on Fury 161 is that it?  Is there NO-MORE as FAR as the Xenomorph?

And so this Aftermath to ALIENS Era is again something that would be IDEAL to Set a ALIEN Movie/TV Show.....

But then its a Question of does a ALIEN Universe have to be about the Xenomorph?  The Prequels have show  us the Potential for other Horrors... and Engineer Technology.... and by the PLOT then its HOW MANY Worlds are there with Intelligent Species?

Can these be a Threat or are we a Threat to them... the Prequels also SHOW the Threat of A.I and trying to PLAY GOD...

Speaking of them (GOD) was Planet 4 the Last we would EVER get to see with our Engineers.....

So YES the Different Eras do allow us to Interact with more Worlds, Different Agendas and Corporations but also Different Races and Threats but the KEY is to TRY and NOT go and Contradict anything.... or make sure you TIDY UP the Loose Ends ;)

If we are looking at the Era to Explore the Xenomorph..... then i think the 2125-2225 would be IDEAL... but you could take that up to say 2250 etc.

"They could have focused on characters beyond Ripley"

Ripley was the MAIN Character in all the Franchise the Problem with Alien R is that the other Characters just NEVER stood out... they was like Meh!  But the same can be said with the Prequels..... for me CALL had Stood out as the Most Interesting Character.

The Problem that is Faced when doing a NEW Movie is you NEED to have Good Characters which means you have to Create/Build a New Character but then its a Case of are these just for ONE Movie?  Do you SET-UP a Sequel to Continue with these Characters?

Even so then that does-not mean they would be Continued (Dr Shaw from Prometheus for Instance) and with Daniels and Tennessee they are NOT really Characters that MOST would be like "Yeah! i wanna see them again!"

And so i think THIS is WHY the Alien V ideas came back to bringing BACK our Ripley because they FELT you had a Character that People could Connect with.

No you DONT...... you can maybe Introduce a Character who is Connected... and so Alien Isolation worked well because it was Amanda looking for what Happened to her Mother.

So they could have gone and made say a Sequel to Alien 3, were you have say Hicks who has a Brother and his Brother got a Message from the Sulaco saying they are coming HOME... but he NEVER did.

The Prison Planet Fury 161 is full of who the Company would call... Expendable and those Prisoners know of the Xenomorph....

The Company came up BUST!

But you think they would NOT go through the Prison with a Fine Tooth Comb?

Ripley was Infected..... the Dog/Cow also had Gestated a Xenomorph and so where are the Face Huggers?

You think the Company would NOT go and TRY to Gain a Specimen from the DNA of a Face Hugger? 

Maybe the Results are NOT as Good.... a LOT of Mutated Inmates in the Process to get something thats a  BIT DIFFERENT...

But sometimes the Fans would NOT like something Different and so something that STEERS too FAR away from the Xenomorph Aesthetic is maybe something the Fans would NOT be Pleased with.

But again..... maybe Fury 161 is NOT the Last Place that the Company can TRY to get the Xenomorph in the Cinematic Universe....  One things from Blomkamps Alien V is that they had Recovered a Engineer Ship that seemed to NOT be in too Good Condition... was this the Derelict?

Could the Derelict had Survived the Blast of Hadleys Hope?   Would the Eggs be Affected by Radiation?

Regardless of WHO/WHEN the Xenomorph was Created we can Wonder... was ONLY the ONE Ship Loaded with Eggs?

"I would rather a more familiar ALIEN universe rather than reinventing the ALIEN  Universe by placing it further into the future"

A Wise Man Once Said...... that World War 3 will be Fought with Nukes etc, and World War 4 will be Fought with Sticks and Stones.....

If we look at the Aftermath of Alien Resurrection than the Future on Earth for MOST of us could be a MAD MAX kind of Planet/Tech Level.... Salvage what you can.

As FAR as Tech then YES the thing that made the Xenomorph a Threat was when you had NO FAIR means to Deal with it....  they was Basically Cannon Fodder in ALIENS but the Marines do have Explosive Round Ammunition.

So if you had Marines with even more Advanced Weapons then the Xenomorph would NOT be as much a Threat......  And so a PART of the PLOT with Prometheus could Potentially get us to look at the Xenomorph as a bit POINTLESS...

As FAR as the Companies Agenda for it...... LV-223 is the JACKPOT! and Planet 4 to a Degree.... if you can get the Engineer Tech and Re-Engineer it, you could maybe come up with Weapons that would CUT THROUGH the Xenomorphs like a Hot Knife through Butter

And so YES the Technology Era of the Alien Franchise say between 2100-2200 would be more Ideal to Pursue... 

@MonsterZero

Sounds Interesting..... and also we have to BARE in Mind that David is a Sentient Soul, he has Ambition, Desires......  Walter is but a SHELL just as  David 1-8 was prior.

so the Character of David can LIVE-ON past the Body of Micheal Fassbender ;)

when we get to the TIME-LINE of Alien Resurrection we have CALL who is a AUTON a Synthetic who was Created by Synthetics..... could a AWOKEN Synthetic Soul like our David had Created them? (Autons).

The Aftermath of Alien R is Interesting as we see the Earth is in like RUIN as if some WAR has been going on..... it seems this WORLD has NOT been just Fought over by Mankind.... but you have Synthetics and Autons into the Mix.... and so this makes USM wanting the Xenomorph as a Weapon Interesting... because then the Xenomorph maybe could CHANGE the TIDE of Conflict on Earth.

so Mankind can Reclaim it back.............but what if our Creators then Return?

"It seems nobody in the entertainment industry has the guts to push forward in movie franchise"

Well it COSTS $$$$ to make a Movie and so they have to be Careful and think what would SELL/MAKE Money.  The AVP Franchise on Screen had made a bit of a Mockery of the Xenomorph but this is a ALTERNATIVE CANON.

Prometheus was a Attempt to TRY something Different but then when you are Dealing with any kind of ORIGINS you do RUN the RISK that its NOT going to be what every FAN would Expect/Want.  It lacked some things to Appease some Fans.

Alien Covenant was a attempt to Appease some Fans and GIVE the Answers but then it Basically threw a LOT of the Potential of Prometheus out of the Window, and the Revelation of the Xenomorph Origin was Bound to NOT settle WELL with a Majority of the Fans...... it also showed that you can HYPE the Xenomorph and HAVE the Xenomorph and STILL your NOT going to be Guaranteed a Good Return.

Blomkamp and Hill/Giler seemed to come with IDEAS that had Ripley as they LIKELY had Felt you NEED to have Ripley + Xenomorphs to make a Successful ALIEN Movie......

I think that YES you would have to have the Xenomorph but you can Change it about a BIT but then its HOW MUCH of a Change before Fans think you have RUINED the Beast?

The Problem does come down to MONEY.... and Especially with DISNEY as they do-not like to see things make a LOSS...

With Novels its Easier if you have a Good Story as with a Novel you can give more Details and your NOT at the Ransom of Cast Members Schedules and more so a RUNNING TIME.

With Graphic Novels/Comics again you can Create Visual Effects that are FAR CHEAPER than to Replicate them into a LIVE ACTION MOVIE.

Video Games can be Expensive but the Player is Immersed into the Character/Plot as you are PART of the Action....

A Good Example is ALIEN: ISOLATION however..... if say No-One had Played the Game and you Basically Recorded Someone play the Game all the WAY through to the END and then Showed that on the Big Screen it would maybe NOT draw in the Money to make a Profit.

No Matter what ALIEN Movie they make then your LIKELY to NOT go and Please everyone, but it comes down to HOW MUCH can you make back?

The ALIEN Franchise is ONE Good Movie away from getting back to where it Belongs but its also ONE Bad Movie away from being kinda KILLED OFF.  There is a RISK of can you make another ALIEN/ALIENS as far as Success or could we get a Alien R or WORSE.... a AVPR kind of Result.

It really depends on WHAT it is that DISNEY are willing to Risk and i would Suspect they be more OPEN to say Bringing Back Ripley than to go with some Ideas that Ridley Scott had prior to ALIEN Covenant.

My Alien V Would attempt to keep everything canon.

David 8 would be found on Mars 120 years after he was delivered there. Synthetics were basically outlawed by this time...Taken offline. So a holding cell for the million or so synthetics is located on Mars.

The United-Marines are busy dealing with the Sleepers ( Engineers...but only the crew of the Prometheus called them that ) Sleepers lay claim to ALL planets. Humans think this is problem.

Its like i have said i would NOT have been a Fan of doing any kind of ALIEN V that would ESSENTIALLY make Alien 3 and Alien R become removed from Canon.

If they wanted to go with another Ripley Movie then i would rather see a Continuation of Alien Resurrection.

But then its a Case of you could make another ALIEN Movie that is SET after the Events of ALIEN R that would not have to Connect to Ripley 8 or anything that Happened in ALIEN R as they could Discover another Location in the Galaxy where there are Xenomorphs.

The Comics and Video Games etc have a Expanded Universe that is more VAST than we have seen in the Movie Franchise.  I dont think you would Contradict the Franchise much if you had a New Adventure that was SET say after 2180.

You would have to Conclude (but then maybe leave it Mystery) to WHY would USM go and Resort to trying to CLONE our Ripley to Obtain a Xenomorph.

If anyone has a different opinion on what the era names just leave a comment

why can't we stick with a single tech era, peripherally the 2180-2190's. I would rather a more familiar ALIEN universe rather than reinventing the ALIEN  Universe by placing it further into the future.

Edit: You know what I'll make a post about tech era.

I'd start Alien V with:

Scene 1:

A synthetic morgue on Mars the year is 2550.

Two humans are strolling through the morgue, they stop in front of a body drawer...They slide the diener out and unzip the neoprene.

Tall man "That him?"

Short man  "Yes"

Camera shows a very pale and lifeless David 8.

Tall man hands short man a data chip.

Tall man "Get him loaded"

David is wheeled out on a gurney, the tall man follows behind.

It seems nobody in the entertainment industry has the guts to push forward in movie franchise. Its either prequels or recycling ideas already present in their respected franchises for sequels. AVP started this prequel original sin for ALIEN

I think the original sin of Alien being about Ripley started with Alien Resurrection. They could have focused on characters beyond Ripley since she died in Alien 3 but nope, Joss Weadon wanted to bring dead characters (originally he wanted Newt, but Fox wanted Ripley) back to life for a new instead of making new ones.

I've been noticing an interesting trait of the ALIEN-verse, the series has a hard time building out its tech eras since every movie or two time skips further in the future or the past.

We have the Present Day era for non-canon material like the Predator and AVP series

We have the early FTL era/Discovery Era, Prometheus

The Colonial era, Alien Covenant

The Space Trade era, Alien

The Colonial Wars era, Aliens and Alien 3

The Post-Corporate era, Alien Resurrection

We Basically had TWO kind of ALIEN V ideas that were at Various Stages, the Blomkamp Ones and the David Giler/Walter Hill Version, and BOTH seemed to be something of a RUN OUT OF IDEAS.... well seem to think you HAVE to have Ripley back to have any ALIEN MOVIE become a Success.

I know that there were Ideas to make a ALIEN V back in late 90's but FOX had Decided to go for a AVP Spin Off instead.  After AVPR had Bombed a bit... then FOX had Decided to NOT go and touch the Franchise until the Prequel ideas from 2009.

There WAS and still IS the Potential to do a ALIEN Story that does-not have to being Ripley back and Effect any of the other Movies as FAR as Conflicts or Canon etc.

Will a ALIEN V ever see the Light of  Day (as in a 5th ALIEN Installment) who knows i think a LOT would depend on what the TV Series shows and HOW the TV Show does/performs.

"How Alien:Covenant  was able to reach production"

I think that Alien Covenant was a Product of the Reaction to Blomkamps Alien V there was a LOT of Hype about that Idea, and it seemed to PUSH those at FOX to think that you have to have the Xenomorph in a ALIEN Franchise and so its LIKELY this had Contributed to the Prometheus Sequel that was to STEER AWAY from ALIEN to then become something that would STEER TOWARDS the First Movie.

And with that Direction you are going to FACE some Problems and Sacrifices because your going from the Year 2094-2122 were within that less than 28 Years you are going to MAKE a Series of Movies that will in Chronological Terms the Xenomorph Origins.  To Chronologically show us the Event of the Derelict/Space Jockey in the Time-Line to come (after 2094) was a MISTAKE.

To be Fair they was having TROUBLE with a Story/Plot even prior to that, as to have  a Movie where Dr Shaw and her Robot Companion would arrive on a World with Engineers who are Technologically Advanced and Physically more Powerful and a Race who are WANTED to see Humans Destroyed...

Well thats a Tricky Situation right there.... we saw HOW LONG that Peter Weyland and Co had Lasted when the Engineer had Awoken.... what would be the Result with just ONE HUMAN and a Robot vs...... 100, 500, 10000 or Tens of Thousands of Engineers?

The other Problem coming from can you have a Movie about a Single Human and their Robot Sidekick and some Angry Engineers...... would you NEED to have more Humans and HOW do you do that....... they seem to think from EARTH!

This just shows that the Writers could not take into Account the Space Gardeners/Creators Plot and think BEYOND our Earth.

Alien Covenant had a LOT of Plot Points to get through A-Z to really do Justice within the Run-Time so a LOT of Sacrifices were made and the Pacing become too Fast Once we saw Oram go off to look for Rosenthal

The only information I could find was that of H. R. Gigers other Alien design - Species. There was a rape scene in that film with the Species' barbed tail going in and out of the main protagonists mouth. Oral rape. However, I think Alien has been left with alot of ambiguity. More information is coming out all the time, now we know Lambert was a Trans person. Another theory could be the alien was unsure how to handle this person so was inquisitive? Just like how the Alien was inquisitive to some AIs. Like Call in Resurrection.

Having thought about it some more, I don’t believe the Alien would be prioritising experimentation, when it has been described as having vast amounts of intellect. It must have known the remainder crew were trying to leave so it’s priority would be to feed and/or prepare the food sauce. 

I'm going to side with Disney on this one. Franchise needs a timeout....A regroup. It needs to find a star actor and director. A James Gunn type or at least a hot new young director / actor (for better or worse ) to give their take.

How Alien:Covenant  was able to reach production, shows a lack of vision ( even though I loved it )...I think the casual fan could come up with a better idea.

I cant seem to get the Podcast to work but thats because my Computer and OS are 15 Years Old ;)

Regarding the Queen and Egg Morph i think you can have it where the Egg Morph is what would Produce a Queen this would make Perfect Sense to WHY the Xenomorph in ALIEN had NOT gone and tried to Egg Morph/Cocoon others (Lambert and Parker).

Ridley Scott had indicated the Xenomorph on the Narcissus was going there to DIE as it had Accomplished what it was meant to do.  IF this was so the Egg Morph would Produce a Queen then that would make Sense....

But as the Egg Morph Scene was NOT part of the Theatrical Release then those Comments by Ridley Scott (Xenomorph was looking for a Place to Die) would NOT be Applicable.

To be Fair his Original Story was to NOT have Ripley in it at all.....

I think the Story had some Potential, there seemed some rather SILLY IDEAS in it (Ripley in a Queen Bio-suit) but i think its a STORY that could have been Re-Worked for a ALIEN V just does-not have to be about Ripley.

I think with the Disney take over and the Disappointment of Alien Covenant i think Disney were RELUCTANT to Continue with the Franchise.  And so its also UNLIKELY that we will see a Continuation of the Prequels.

We have the TV Series to come in 2023 and its a Case of will this become Canon to the Movies?  Or will it be kind of a Alternative Take on the ALIEN SAGA?

" Idea seemed destined for a one off graphic novel"

Certainly i think that could have Worked as a Comic Series.  Like i think a Continuation of Alien Covenant could maybe got a Novel Treatment instead.

Disney are going to just have to FIGURE OUT as to WHAT and WHERE to take the Franchise in the Future i think they may Gauge the Reaction to the TV Series to Assess if the Franchise is Viable on the Small and Large Screen.

Hope your Project comes along Nicely..............

I think with the Franchise then Certain things have Changed in Light of the Prequels that i think have NOT gone and Sat Well with many Fans.  There are Fans who are into the Expanded Universe as far as Comics and Novels and i think would have liked to have seen SIMILAR with ALIEN Movie Franchise.

I think there is Room to make a Movie Franchise that does-not have to Affect the Prequels or the Ripley Saga, because Regardless of WHO had Created the Xenomorph we just cant ASSUME the ONLY place there are Eggs is LV-426 and so maybe MORE than ONE of those Ships had Eggs on them and so we can ASK to where could other Ships had gone.  And to NOT go and Contradict the Franchise it would be better to Discover this like after 2180.

But of-course the Problem then comes down to how OLD those Eggs are without going to Conflict the Prequels.  As it would seem that the Xenomorph Aesthetic had began some Point between 2095-2105.

I Personally am NOT a Fan of Remaking a Movie within a Set Franchise, lets say Star Wars with EP8 the Last Jedi, they could have Rebooted that and Pleased some Fans but i think you have to Accept what is Done and TRY and Pull it back....this is WHY i would not be a Fan of say the ALIEN V ideas that would in Effect remove ALIEN 3/R from Canon.

But i would be OPEN to like a Complete Reboot as a Alternative take on the Universe and so then Fans can Enjoy each as a Separate take on the Franchise like say 1989-1997 Batman Franchise and the 2005-2012 Dark Knight Series.  As this is kind of what the Expanded Comic/Novel Universe does.

Just releasing some art sketches was a bad idea. Just too ambiguous. Idea seemed destined for a one off graphic novel...Something Dark Horse would have done.

Just tell the community what the idea was...We'll get the ball rolling for him.  

I screwed with Alien 3 in my AVPU but I don't focus on Ripley

If that means that no one will screw with Alien 3 then good. They should let Ripley rest and come up with something new. Both messing with Alien 3 (Blomkamp) and turning it into a boring android tale (Scott) is bad.

I have been devaloping a fanfiction that will eventually touch upon the Starbeast, Xenomorph origins, the rise of the engineers and yautja. Right now its just focusing on the bioweapon projects of Weyland Yutani and I borrowed heavily from the old alien expanded universe

"Disney admitted they didn't have a plan when they acquired Star Wars"

To be Fair.... i dont think it was that BAD... the Prequels were NOT that Great Either i do think that The Last Jedi was BAD... but then Phantom Menace was BAD too.... Rogue One was Good and the The Mandalorian too.

The Problem is the Pickle that the Prequels got us into Especially with Alien Covenant, do you IGNORE it, do you Reboot what it showed? (by doing something that could Contradict them).  The Biggest Concern for me is the TIME-LINE and HOW do they NOT have this Conflict or Contradict the WHOLE FRANCHISE?

"Unfortunately, he isn't very good at explaining what he means"

I think a LOT of people can Influence the Story, it seems RS would be more a YES MAN to a Degree just be Part of it.... I get the Impression that the Direction of Alien Covenant is something that HE was NOT a Fan of.  The Flip Side of that is he seems to think the Importance is NOT the Xenomorph, and so having him Involved could mean we see the Weyland Company and A.I being involved a LOT more than the Xenomorph, also be a Question of would there be any kind of Engineer Connection?

To me i am Concerned about the TIME-LINE as anything before 2120 could Mess with the Prequels, having Xenomorphs on Earth before say 2180 would Mess with ALIENS too.

It seems the Writers etc are going to Re-Invent the Alien Story to a Degree and RS is there to make sure that THIS does-not either Conflict his Movies or that it does-not go and STEER to FAR from what the Xenomorph of the Franchise was/is.

The Main Emphasis seems it will Cover the Major Corporations like maybe Weyland and go on to SHOW that they would DO whatever they NEED to Gain whatever they Want and will TAKE ADVANTAGE of People and Exploit those who are NOT WELL OFF who are looking for Opportunity but will be GETTING themselves into something they have NO IDEA about.

But the CORP will know Exactly what they are getting the Expendable People into.

It also seems that the Threat that A.I Poses will be a Part of the TV Show, as FAR as a Future Threat... but then Towards the END we will Uncover a more Dangerous and Ancient Threat.

We know and see SO LITTLE about the TV Series all we can make out is that we will see the Traditional Face Hugger, but the Xenomorph seems similar to Alien Covenant as in the Gestation Stage of it. (more like AC than Alien).  And that we will also come ACROSS a Engineer Ship/Complex that is somewhat Submerged.

This could be a Sunken Engineer Ship............... but then HOW is the Xenomorph similar to AC?    I HOPE we wont go the Route of..... TIME TRAVEL!

"Sounds like everyone skipped out on my sparefaring xenomorph idea"

LOL... i did kind of touch upon it....

I think it could become like Starship Troopers but thats NOT to say that it would not WORK or be Great..... some Fans will like that and well its NOT down to me to think what Fans will like or Dislike ;)

I think that YES you have to UPLIFT the Xenomorph and having them become as SUCH is a Possibility.....  The Problem comes with the Time-Line and also the PLOT of the Prequels....

If the Xenomorph had been shown to be Ancient then we can Wonder to WHAT KIND of a World would a Xenomorph Infested one become in Thousands of Years?

This is something the Prequels with AC has kind of KILLED OFF... Unless we are SET in say Thousands of Years...

A Alternative Reboot could Explore the Xenomorph as such!

OR................ you have to ASK as to WHERE did the Xenomorph DNA begin? If the Engineers had Experimented with DNA of something that Predated them and the Deacon then you can ask.. WHAT was THIS?

You Explore this ALIEN SPECIES... that are NOT the Xenomorph but we can see they are Connected.... we can BRING BACK the STARBEAST ;)

So you have a Aesthetically similar Beast... but a Space-faring one maybe?

How can Mankind ever Deal with this New Ancient Threat?     The Xenomorph Perhaps!

The Problem we have was that YES the Franchise was about the Xenomorph, it was about Ripley too but you could have other ALIEN MOVIES that were NOT about Ripley.  And so its a Good Point that having NO Xenomorphs would be like Jurassic Park with No Dinosaurs...

However with the Xenomorph its more like say having Jurassic Park without a T-Rex, as i agree with Ridley Scott in that there is ONLY so much Egg Opening, Face Hugging, Chest Busting then Snarling and Killing that a Xenomorph can do on Screen before it can get a bit Repetitive.  The Xenomorph is a ICONIC KILLING MACHINE..... but so are the TERMINATORS... in Fact i would say the Terminators can Offer more Variation.... but it comes down to HOW you Handle/Show them and HOW OFTEN.....

So you have to On-Screen go and Handle them with Care and Uplift or Evolve them and WHAT they are about.....  as otherwise you have Basically Space Ants and could END-UP with the Xenomorphs become a Less Varied kind of Space Bug like Starship Troopers... (A more Horrific/Enigmatic looking and Aesthetically Pleasing Space Bug though).

So you have to UPLIFT and Evolve them....

However the PLOT seemed to be that the Xenomorphs are merely a CREATION that was Engineered to KILL and WIPE OUT a Worlds Life-Forms.... and so ONCE you Explore/Explain this and you get the ORIGINS of the Xenomorph its then a Case of WHATS NEXT?

More Colonist/Space Truckers Stumble on a Cache of Eggs and are Overrun by ONE or a Few or Many of the Xenomorphs?   The Marines go in to Attempt to Clear it up and Rescue the Colonists?

Do you have a Egg or a Few brought ON/TO a Ship/Space Station and we see them get OUT OF CONTROL?

Do you go to a World that has been Overrun and Infested with the Xenomorph and its like a Giant Hive with Millions of Eggs... but then if the Xenomorph just Face Hugs, Chests Bursts and then KILLS its like How-many Movies can you Continue without the Risk of it becoming Starship Troopers?  

You could Even  go and Explore that the Xenomorph Evolves a bit and Creates its OWN very ALIEN Technology and Ships but this would be a Aesthetically better looking Version of Starship Troopers.... i am NOT saying this Cant Work...

When looking at the Franchise then Ridley Scott had FELT as to WHY it was that NO-ONE had Covered the Origins of the Xenomorph and WHAT the Space Jockey was doing with it.... and it BOILED down to being a Created/Engineered Bio-Weapon.

And so they came to Conclude that you had to Expand on the Space Jockey and that WHEN you have the ORIGINS of the Xenomorph and HOW it got on LV-426 it was then a CASE of WHAT NEXT?

They Felt you would have more ALIEN Movies that had been seen a LOT in all Media Forms.... and so they FELT you have more Background and Depth to Exploring the Engineers in a SPIN OFF that would STEER AWAY from ALIEN.

By then Deciding to Actually make a Prometheus Sequel go and Connect to ALIEN eventually and introduce the Xenomorph Origins was a Mistake!

THIS..... However does-not mean you could NOT go and Make other ALIEN Movies they could have done this and LEFT the Xenomorph Origins a Complete Mystery but WHEN you go to do another ALIEN MOVIE then you have to Include the Xenomorph but then you have to try and CHANGE it a BIT or Offer Different to what we already Seen as FAR as Humans Attempts to get the Specimen and then Fail and get Chest Busted and Killed over and over.

I think that whenever you PLACE the ALIEN: Prefix on anything you are going to be Expected to have the Xenomorph.... but that does-not mean you cant go and Evolve/Change it a Little....  But you have to be Careful you Need a Good Story and Writers and Execution...

The more you Go Over and Over a Franchise, you may make another ALIEN or ALIENS but you could get another AVPR or Alien Covenant.

Maybe by doing a COMPLETE REBOOT that can be seen as a Alternative Take like say the Dark Knight Batmen are compared to the 90's Movies or even any Newer Batman Franchise they make...

Maybe that could be a WAY to go.... so we have TWO Alternative Takes on the Xenomorph, rather than to make Sequels/Prequels and REBOOT Sequels and Prequels because then you can have a MESS like the Terminator Franchise.

Ultimately The Terminator and Terminator 2 were Great.... and maybe you just NEVER be able to Match them....(as Far as doing other Terminators)

I think the same thing has Happened with Alien/Aliens they maybe will NEVER be Matched by any Sequel or Prequel.

Disney admitted they didn't have a plan when they acquired Star Wars, their lack of respect of the property only worries me about the alien and predator series

Sounds like everyone skipped out on my sparefaring xenomorph idea

I think it Boils Down to how some Fans are NOT that Pleased with the Revelation of the Xenomorph and its Relationship to the Engineers/Space Jockey.

The CONNECTION is something that has Evolved!

*Originally you had a Native Species to a World that a ALIEN RACE (Space Jockey) had came Across and Attempted to take back to their Ship but they FELL Victim to the Starbeast/Xenomorph.

*This then Changed to the Xenomorph Eggs being a Weapon that the Space Jockey Race was going to USE in some War out their in the Galaxy.

It was OPEN to IF the Space Jockey merely Discovered these, Engineered something they Discovered or Created from Scratch.

But Ridley Scott had Cleared it up that they was a Engineered Organism by the Space Jockey.

*We then Continue with this with the Prequel Idea in which the Engineers/Space Jockey had Created Various Organisms like the Xenomorph to USE to Eradicate their Creations like Mankind.

*This then Evolved to the Engineers going to Experiment with their Creation Tool to Create Horrors they can then Drop Down to Mutate/Kill their Creations (Mankind).

*To then having a Android (David) use the Engineers Creation Tool and Created Horrors to Engineer his own Killing Machine the Xenomorph.

However in Context to a REBOOT then Disney could Explore anyway they WISH as FAR as the Xenomorphs Origins and Purpose.

Regarding the Image of the Female Engineer in Control of the Xenomorph i think the Engineers had Created similar, but it would Appear they COULD-NOT go and Control it and so the Alien Covenant Poster is LIKELY what became of those Foolish enough to Experiment/Create some Horrific Organism like the Xenomorph.

As long as he won't be able to affect the story, we'll be fine, but I worry that he's in it to save the David-wanking in the prequels. Sometimes it can be good if someone oversees it but if Scott will do it as an ego-thing to save the David-story it will be bad, it depends on why he's involved in it.

“or maybe it will IMPLY the Xenomorph as Ancient?"

I hope so, connected to something that could be evil, necessary to keep some balance in the universe, depending on how you look at it. At least try to keep the origins of it as something that started many (thousands? Millions?) years ago.

“Ridley Scott seemed to be more a FAN of the Engineers and their Creation Plot and about A.I in which David was a IMPORTANT Part of his Prequels.”

That's difficult to say, he changes his mind so often. First he seems interested in the Engineers, then it's David but has he shown more interest towards the Engineers again? He's flip-flopping a lot, so I'm not sure if I trust him when it comes to the alien-franchise.

There are so many possibilities of what could be, so they should let Scott talk a bit about it. Unfortunately, he isn't very good at explaining what he means. What I'm afraid of is that if he would be involved in another Alien-movie it would be the same kind of disappointment as the prequels have been this far with Scott throwing out crappy ideas. Disney can screw things up, just look at how Star Wars 7, 8, and 9 were. What I'm saying is that it's not only Scott that's making a mess at times. I'm more worried than happy about his involvement in this.

Setaverde:

I would like to see the Engineers eventually lose control over the Aliens so that would be their downfall. For this to work you need to show that they are able to control them also, which some of your pictures show.

That can make Sense.... as far as WHY they would Create us.

It depends on HOW DEEP you go with the Engineers Plot as far as them Needing any Weapons...  IF they are the FIRST MAIN Species of their Kind so other Worlds are Primitive and without their Interaction they do-not even get to the Level of say Ancient Rome....  then there would be NO THREATS.

And then even the Worlds you Visit you can KEEP a Curb on HOW FAR they would Advance, and so if these are allowed to get as Advanced as Ancient Rome then they POSE no THREAT.

Because with Worlds like this then you would ONLY need the Juggernauts to DROP down the Urns of Goo to RESET/EVOLVE or Destroy the Life on that World.

And so in this Context the Engineers Fate becomes a Consequence of their Naivety in which they would ASSUME if they Abandon a World of Creations then they would NEVER be able to Advance themselves to be a THREAT... and well they were VERY WRONG!

But this would LIMIT the Plot and well HOW you can Explore the Engineers, and at the Very Least you have to think they may have had Conflicts with Each-other at some Point in the Past and so i THINK they could have other more Military Ships.

The Juggernauts make NO SENSE as a Purely Military Ship unless its against Primitive Worlds.  They do HOWEVER make Perfect Sense as a Seeding Ship!

Especially if we look at HOW the Goo Worked in Prometheus and HOW it was Envisioned from Earlier Drafts/Concept.

You want to Evolve say the People of South America into Hybrid Human/Cats, then you USE the Sacrificial Goo on a Jaguar and Collect the Result into Urns and then you DROP a Few Urns on a Few Ancient Settlements in South America and those who are Infected would take on FELINE Traits and we have some Thundercats who would Appear from South America.

Want to Completely Reset the World then you MASS BOMBARD the World with the Sacrificial Goo and you RESET the World to like the Sacrificial Scene.

Want to take some Humans and other Creations from where they are to say LV-223 to First Experiment with WHAT you want to Evolve/Change them too, then this makes SENSE.  And so in Context to all that then the Juggernauts make Perfect Sense.

For them to be a Ship that is Created to Carry Eggs to Bomb Down, makes Little Sense, to Create Horrors on LV-223 to DESTROY a World makes Little Sense.

To have a Sub-Creation become Displeased at its Role, Jealous of its Creators and maybe their other Creations, to then have Bitterness and Hatred and want to CAUSE TERROR and Create something Horrific.... and USE the Existing Creation Technology to Create such Horrors....  That makes Sense!

so too look at that, and then look at the LV-223 Engineers and David to FIT that Role and thus be like Satan/Fallen Angels and have this Agenda to Corrupt/Taint and Destroy the Wonder of Creation then this Makes Sense.