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Oh yes.

[visible happiness]

Watching A L I E N now! Listened to the soundtrack all day long. Probably finish the day off with Alien3 soundtrack.

Happy Alien Day! Celebrating by binging a marathon of every Alien film in order (excluding the AvP films lol)

As stated before, not huge into Alien but...

Happy Alien Day, Alien fans! Hope you're well.

BigDave will be pleased!

Well Chris we maybe can ASSUME that the TV Series Project is still ON?

It is even more QUIET on the Franchise Front this ALIEN DAY....  it seems that DISNEY has NOT 100% abandoned the Franchise but it does seem Reluctant to Commit to the Big Screen and maybe we should HEAR more about the TV Series at some point this Year.......

We had Ridley Scott a while back indicate that there was PLANS for another ALIEN MOVIE... but ONE that would maybe NOT draw on the Prequels....  we did have Brandywine tease their ALIEN V idea that would bring back RIPLEY.

I did hear a Movie was on the Cards for 2022 that would NEITHER be about Ripley or Connect with the Prequels..

But the ONLY thing we had somewhat Concrete was that FX will be working on a TV Series.. but since December its been QUIET.....

Hopefully Alien Day 2021 may give us a Surprise but it seems DOUBTFUL :(

Yeah Disney is pretty much this:

Mickey Mouse: ha ha, go @#$! yourself alien, ha ha

Sorry bout that. Not a big Alien fan but I could also celebrate Alien Day I guess

Oh the Deacon.. How I long to know what became of it hahaha That extra long gestation period suggests it would grow to be quite the monstrous being. I wish they would take us back to LV-223 so we can see what else became of the Engineer facility and the Deacon. There is still much left to be explored there and I bet Weyland would have wanted more access to an Engineer military installation for recon.

The lack of Alien Day hype this year is disappointing to say the least. I'm hoping they throw us a bone but I'm not getting my hopes up. Disney don't seem as invested in this franchise as Fox were...

If they are to give a Continuation then maybe the ONLY option is the same as Prometheus 2!

By that i am looking at Alien Covenant as Prometheus 3 as it By-Passes 10 Years of what had Happened when David and Dr Shaw arrive at a World Full of Engineers, to the Death and Experimentation on Dr Shaw and Engineer Survivors that leads to Davids Workshop/Bestiary.

And so maybe a Sequel would have to By-Pass whatever David would do during his Journey to Origae-6 and what he does on that Planet for 2-5 Years before others TURN UP!

And David gets Rumbled!  <== Maybe this is where the NEXT MOVIE should begin or AFTER this Event.

OR they go back to LV-223 or Planet 4 and NOT where David goes and they give us Clues/Proof that the Xenomorphs from ALIEN are NOT what David had began to Create!

My OPINION?

They should have it that the Engineers Discover Davids Creation and that THEY decide to EVOLVE it to become what we see in ALIEN.

@dmw_4814

I think thats where the Problems began.... Originally the Prequels was to GIVE some Clues to ALIEN, then MOVE ON and AWAY from the Xenomorph so that we have a Parallel Franchise about the Engineers and NOT about the Xenomorph.

I think that YES it is a SHAME we will LIKELY not see a Continuation of the Prequels, for a Number of Reasons.

1) A lot of Fans are Disappointed that the Prequels seemed to REVOLVE around David and his STORY.

2) That David was implied as the Creator of the Xenomorph and that as of 2105 there could well be NO signs of the Derelict on LV-426 because THIS event has yet to Transpire.

There is NOT a LOT of Wriggle Room to get to LV-426 and the Derelict, 17-18 Years after the Events of Covenant. Especially if the Sequel would take place on Origae-6 which is BOUND to be No-Where near LV-426 and will take 88 Months before the Covenant arrives at Origae-6.

So it would seem that what ever David would START to do on Oriage-6 would be 10 Years before the events of ALIEN.

Ridley Scott had indicated we could be 2-3 Movies away from ALIEN after Alien Covenant... with the NEXT ONE that was due to NOT be about the Xenomorphs, i am NOT sure many Fans would be prepared to WATCH another Movie about David and Creation before things get more ALIENY maybe in the 3rd Act or a SET-UP for such at the END of the Movie to then GET US on the the Track to those Eggs that get on a Engineer Ship.

Indeed the Drone in the Insect World is Male and so we can Speculate that the one in ALIEN was maybe Male?  I think it would make MORE SENSE if the Xenomorph Drone is something that has a Objective to LEAD to a Egg Laying Xenomorph.

It would have been COOL to see a Egg Morph event shown at some-point and then show the Egg Morph is what either Creates a Queen Embryo inside the Egg Morph or a Royal Face Hugger.

I think with the Trilobite i cant see any reason why the Player cant come across a Engineer/Science Facility that has then Incubating in Glass Canisters.  The Deacons are a bit of a Oddity as it appears that ONE born from a Engineer at  least takes 4 Days to Gestate, but Human Hosts could maybe result in a Quicker Gestation. 

We do have 6 Variants of Xenomorph to give the Player something thats Different from each other. I have to agree with Kongzilla as in i think they would NOT be giving much Variation to what the Prequels had shown us.

But i would NOT be surprised if they Serve Up a few more Variants of the Xenomorphs... maybe Flying Variety?

I think the Prequels and Alien Resurrection do OPEN the Door to Various other Hybrids and what NOT ;)

I just want a good movie with no political bias

@BigDave

Agree, but a little side note. In the insect world, a DRONE's role is very similar to your hypothesized KING role. I feel that xenomorph drones should renamed to WORKERs.

A Neomorph would be sweet to see yes, but imagine how terrifying a Trilobite would be... Also the manner in which a Trilobite is born is extremely complex. I don't see them having the same series of events play out as in Prometheus. Although could be fun just to throw into a game with no explanation simply because it would be terrifying.

I think it depends on what you consider as Canon, i think that with Comics, Novels and Games then a KING of Sorts could be Possible... as these Mediums have a Habit of Adjusting Lore to suit the Product.

We have to remember as far as Cinematically then the Xenomorph has gone through a Process of Change/Evolution to its Procreation and Origins.

ORIGINALLY we had O'Bannon come up with the STARBEAST from which the Xenomorph had started as. The Starbeast started as a Organism that required a 3rd Party to Procreate and act as HOSTS for their Face Hugger Stage.  This Original Idea seemed to imply there is some Sexual Procreation that would Create a Egg and then Organism (Face Hugger) within the Egg/Spore would require a HOST to Gestate in.

This meant that INDEED their could be MALES.

However by the Time this Idea had Evolved to ALIEN then what we had was a Organism that would PROCREATE via EGG/SPORE MORPH and so the Xenomorph does-not Procreate in anyway related to Life on Earth, it would require a Organism/Host that it would Infect with DNA/Mutagen that would Transform that Host into a Egg/Spore.  And so the Xenomorph was Asexual or simply has NO SEX.

But as the Egg Morph never made it into the Theatrical Release and then James Cameron came along and thought HOW can you get Eggs... where did they come FROM?

Then he came up with the QUEEN to lay the Eggs and essentially the Xenomorph became someone similar to how Hymenoptera Insects would Procreate.  And so in this Context then i guess YES there could be MALE Xenomorphs and the Drone could be one Example.

If the Xenomorph is similar to say Ants then YES there Species could develop Various way of Procreating, and we cant rule out a KING.

But the Xenomorph is a ALIEN species and i think it would be LAME to have to make it be more like Insects, and so having MALE Xenomorphs that Fertilize the Queens Eggs would be a BIT LAME...  I think having the Queen be able to Produce via  Parthenogenesis works well and that SHE may be able to Modify some Eggs before they are Laid to become Drones instead of Warriors or maybe there is some other Explanation.

That does-not mean we cant RULE-OUT a King or similar but i just dont think we should be getting into that the King goes around Hive to Hive to Mate with Queens to Produce Eggs....  i think we could COME UP with another Method of HOW a KING can Procreate... maybe they could go around and TURN a Host into a Egg (Egg Morph)

The PREQUELS do Change things a LITTLE... but by showing us the Xenomorph is maybe a Engineered Organism or a Evolution caused as a Affect of the Black Goo then this means that a KING of sorts could either Genetically Evolve from the Pathogen... or could be Engineered.

I dont see the NEED for a KING... but its Creation is something thats just their for the WOW and COOL Factor.

I do not think that they will introduce unknown, original creatures, but I would like to see a neomorph and trilobite. And of course Engineers like ultimate SOB bosses.

I think its HARD to Judge Disney at the Moment as the Franchise has hit a QUAGMIRE after Alien Covenant and i think ANY other Studio would be Faced with the same Questions and Situations as to WHATS NEXT?

Its really Difficult to Continue with the Prequels and Satisfy everyone, but then if Disney Decides to say IGNORE the Prequels its a CASE of WHERE do they go Next?

I think to IGNORE the Prequels you will ONLY be able to give a Few More Xenomorph movies before the Beast becomes either STALE or it becomes a Starship Troopers.

I do think that down the Line we would see ONE of 3 things..

1) Around 2026 a Alternative ALIENS sequel.

2) Around 2029 we get a REBOOT of the Franchise.

3) Or we get a ALIEN sequel again in 2029.

I think IF we arrive at 2030 and we have NO MORE Movies or any TV shows within the ALIEN Franchise then maybe the Franchise on the Screen would be GONE.... maybe that could be for the Best though? (I say that in case any Future Attempts prove to be Flops then it could TARNISH the Franchise even more).

Well one thing for sure with the Xenomorph is that is is a LIMITED kind of Monster, and so when your making a Game then if they STICK with just our Standard Xenomorphs then all you would be Faced with is a Critter that can RUN FAST, Crawl up Walls and are Deadly at Close Quarters...  YES a Face Hugger and Queen do add to some Difference in Attacks and Tactics.

But with a FPS and especially a more Team Based Multiple Player Experience, then introducing more Types of Enemies is what can give the Game more Longevity

And so WHAT the Prequels had Highlighted was the Potential to introduce more Threats... as YES it seems we could get Variants of Xenomorphs, but also other Creatures and with the Black Goo and seeing what can be Produced via Experiments with it then you have a GOOD CATALOGUE of Monsters to introduce into a GAME.

And so while we had seen the Hammerpede, Deacon and Neomorph i think the Black Goo is NOT just limited to those. The other things the Prequels introduced us to are the Engineers but also more about JUST how Deadly a Rogue A.I can be.

HOW they choose to give a Story behind how ELEMENTS from the Prequels will be introduced is anyone's GUESS.  I  would NOT go and expect a Watertight Story/Plot as the Main Purpose is purely FUN and Action.

But it will be interesting to see HOW they introduce such things.

I hate Disney even more now

Well maybe we could get some News on the 26th of April but it does seem to be that DISNEY knows the Poisoned Chalice of the Franchise as far as Theatrical and will the TV Series Finally begin Shooting?

In the Meantime then DISNEY knows the Franchise can make Money from other Formats which include Video Games, Comics, Novels and Merchandise/Toys.

I think as far as the Big or Small Screen then the Franchise has HIT a NERVE with Many Fans....  This all STEMS from the STUDIO not having the BALLS to stick with what  Prometheus was doing and STEERING AWAY from the ALIEN.

I do suspect that DISNEY maybe could REBOOT the Franchise say in 2029 for the 50th Anniversary.....

Yeah there isn't much legitimate info available right now. I'm hoping with the release of Aliens: Fireteam that it sparks some new discussion on the topic, prompting updates from Disney / 20th Century Studios. The click bait BS is just getting out of hand lately and I think it's due to lack of any official updates.

I think if we look back at WHAT has Changed from Inception to Prometheus (talking prior to Alien Covenant)

The Alien 01 Master Narrative had NEVER been released in Full, so we can only take Little from it, which i had attempted in my previous Post.

The ONLY link to ALIEN we see in what LITTLE we have of the Master Narrative is that the Engineers went from  viewing Mankind as a Nurtured Race to becoming a Problem and that the Engineers then had began to ADDRESS this Problem which Resulted in what was going on at LV-426/LV-223

We then come to ALIEN ENGINEERS which had covered a Little of the Engineers Creation/Seeding Process which was about Sacrificing themselves to Nano-Scarabs that would CONSUME/STORE the Engineers DNA which these Scarabs then PASS ON by Biting a Organism and this INFECTS the Target in a way that they Mutate into a Hybrid of their own DNA and that of whatever the Scarabs had been Storing (in this case Engineer DNA).

When it comes down to the OUTPOST/SHIP what we get the Impression of is that  in some Cave/Cavern System there are some kind of Parasitic Organisms that are Growing.  This Organism has some Traits that are Familiar with the Xenomorph but Different

Inside the Complex we see there are URNS and in these are Scarabs, only they INFECT a Host (Fifield) with something that Mutates him into a Hybrid with Xenomorph Traits. We have to ASSUME those Scarabs had OBTAINED the DNA from something that is related to the Xenomorph or a Precursor to it.

We do see the Hammerpede which is more like a Centipede with NO real Explanation for it....

We then have David come across some Eggs on the Juggernaught, from these we have Face Huggers described as more Armored than what we saw prior (Holloways Encounter) David informs us these are Weaponized/Evolved Experiments and that the SHIP has 7 other Variants.

What we can CONCLUDE from this is the Engineers had been Experimenting with some Organism related to the Xenomorph, and Creating Hybrids of it.. It is POSSIBLE that what Holloway had Encountered was some Native Organism or maybe Obtained and taken to LV-426.  And the Engineers would USE their Creation/Evolution Tool (Scarabs) to Obtain the DNA of this Organism that Holloway Encountered and to then ALLOW the Engineers to MIX this DNA with Various Species to Create/Engineer the Xenomorphs..  The Engineers were essentially doing SIMILAR to what  David had done on Planet 4.

So in CONTEXT to the Changes when we get to Prometheus we have the SCARABS replaced by the Black Goo (which may be Nano-Worm like Parasites) but the Basis is still the same... it is LIKELY the Engineers had encountered a Organism and USED the Black Goo on it to Create various Hybrids.

ONLY they felt we DID-NOT need to see any Xenomorphs, that by showing some Traits within the Infection of the Black Goo on the Worms/Hammerpedes and via Dr Shaws Fetus/Trilobite that leads to the Deacon via Face Hugging the Engineer.   And Fifields infection then we have ENOUGH clues to show the Engineers have something in those URNS that is Connected to the Xenomorph in some way.

FIFIELD had some Alternative Designs that looked more ALIEN and Connected to the Deacon/Hammerpede.  And so going for the Toxic Avenger Zombie Fifield gave us something that had NOTHING really that Connected to the Xenomorph, Deacon etc (the Neomorph we could make a Connection).

I think they Missed the BOAT in NOT having FIFIELD being more Xenomorph Connected... but also with NO clear Pay Off with the Hammerpede...  (in my Edit, they would SHOOT the Hammerpede and we see it open up and Small Eggs would Pour Out.... these look a little like those in ALIEN..... then latter Milburn would Chest Burst something like the Babyhead... something that is similar to what the New Born Neomorph Bursters were like......

THIS would make a Connection more between the Deacon, Xenomorph and Hammerpedes... in that we see the Hammerpede is a Variant of the Face Hugger and Trilobite.....

The Resulting Milburn Burster would attack Dr Shaw and someone who accompanies her on the RUN..., she would SHOOT it and it would SPRAY ACID BLOOD... she would then Continue to make her RUN to leave the Hanger.

A more Xenomorph related Fifield would also ADD to more of a Connection to the Xenomorph....

Prometheus had TONED DOWN too much.. but Alien Engineers was Too Much ALIENY... it Needed to be like 60% Prometheus, 25% more Alieny like Alien Engineers and 15% of Extras to TIE them in Together... but also the Ambiguity needed to be Reduced by say 25%

But then thats the OVERALL Plot... the Bigger Problems was the Writing of Characters, Dialog and Execution... but this has been a Problem with Alien Covenant and Alien Resurrection too.

As it stands the PREQUELS had become a Disappointment to Many, they also had such POTENTIAL... but its likely in 10 Years Time they would go down as NOT being Canon and a Forgotten Memory that Soured the Tastes of the Fandom.

I am NOT even  sure they would Reboot the Prequels.. the Xenomorph Origins and the Space Jockey are a POISONED CHALICE to anyone who thinks they can give a Explanation that will PLEASE everyone.

In Hindsight the MOST POWERFUL and Enigmatic Scene in the Franchise (Derelict/Pilot Chamber and Egg Chamber) should have REMAINED a Mystery.

Would Certainly have been Great to had seen him WORK on another ALIEN MOVIE..... he Certainly did a Good Job along with Matt Hatton and bringing Davids Dreams and Sketches to LIFE.

David having Dabbled in Genetic Experimentation and being Impressed with the Pathogen and Horrors it Creates, while wishing to PLAY GOD and saw Wasted Potential with what the Engineers could have Created.

But to become a GOD you would need WORSHIP and i just cant see Xenomorphs holding Religious Affinity with David ;)

So i felt that David had some BIG PLANS with those Human Embyros and who knows what HORRORS would be Created before he Creates his OWN PERFECT Species.  A Species who can become a Civilization and Worship their Creator David...

so what Failures are on the WAY and what NOTES/SKETCHES would David continue with?  If we had a Sequel to Alien Covenant that would have covered such a PLOT.. i think that Hallet and Hatton would have been Great to WORK on such a Project.

But ALAS!

Indeed, as did I. Dane brought an incredible talent to that film. I only wish we got to see even MORE of his twisted creations! I hope they reach out to him for the FX TV series.

Well Fair Play to him, i really liked his Contributions to Alien Covenant.

Good Job. changes and improvements are always welcome, the best site deserves the best.

Now for the list (note only including adult stages):

Warrior/Soldier

Empress

Flying Queen

Queen

Preatorian

Raven

Drone/Lurker

Crusher

Runner

Protomorph

Deacon

Neomorph

Queen Mother

Predalien

Rogue King

King

Genetic Queen

Genetic Drone

I swear I only just noticed the biggest engineer head so far and I lightened it up here.... It's like Mount Rushmore for the engineers!

Maybe it's just MS Edge, but where is the start a new topic button?

Awesome stuff! I've got to say Chrome and Firefox are troubling to log on with tonight.  I finally got on using Edge.

Here's some rumours I found (BEFORE April the 1st!)

https://www.small-screen.co.uk/exclusive-disney-planning-on-making-alien-their-next-huge-franchise-movies-tv-shows/

AND...

https://www.small-screen.co.uk/ridley-scott-wants-more-control-over-the-alien-franchise-disney/

Shame this bozo mook from small-screen.co.uk has to dump on Prometheus & Covenant, I think they both get better with age.  I just now rewatched Covenant on UK channel 4 and I had forgotten some of the details, it was frankly, fcuking AWESOME!

"David killed Doctor Elizabeth Shaw in the spaceship Prometheus"

It seems that Dr Shaw had Survived the Journey, also by her Hair Growth it would be that Dr Shaw had Survived for about 9-11 Months before she Finally puts David back together, and we DONT seem to see any Adverse affects of the Black Goo....

It seems that Dr Shaw was HOLDING UP inside the Juggernaught after it had Crashed.... i cant see HOW she could Barricade herself from DAVID..

I therefor think its LIKELY he had Told her it was NOT YET SAFE for her Outside, and the Pathogen had Accidentally Infected the World and KILLED the Engineers.

For her to Survive then David would have to get her Water and Food and after doing this for some Time, she would QUESTION as to HOW he is Obtaining Food/Water that is NOT contaminated.

I suspect she became Curious and then she must have Ventured Out One Day... Followed David... then she would LIKELY had Discovered his Little Lab of Horrors!

I assume he then Catches her and Tries to Explain it all and that he was doing it for her BENEFIT... to Help find a way to allow her to Create Life so they can Re-Start a New Eden... she must have REFUSED and then this leads him to Decide to KILL her...

There seems to be NO SIGNS of Mutation apart from whatever is Connected to Dr Shaws Head.

I only ASSUME that he USED her Productive Organs or Egg Cells for his Experiments as using Engineer Females had NOT given him the Desired Results...

She Essentially is the MOTHER of his Xenomorph the QUEEN if you would and so what is Growing/Attached to her Head may ACT as some kind of CROWN he has Made.... but its actually a NOD to HR Giger and his Lilith Art Work

In the Background you can make out like ROWS of EGGS

I think its a SHAME that there was  a LOT that could have came about from the Engineers Plot... as EVENTUALLY going for Xenomorph after Xenomorph or similar would RUN OUT OF STEAM!

Looking at what LITTLE we know about Alien 01 Pitch to Alien Engineers, what i can Summarize is the Following.

They had Millions of Years ago been Very Similar to Mankind, they had Evolved Technologically and Genetically to a point BEYOND what we are NOW... they became Intergalactic Space Travelers they had Managed to find ways to Prevent/Stop various Diseases and Ailments and Found a way to Prolong their Lives.

Their Culture and Religion had Changed so that things like Music and Art and Entertainment as it is Seen/Used and Evolved by Mankind over the Last 2000 Years, was something the Engineers had GROWN out of Favor with so they Do-Not view such Arts and Entertainment as we do but they maybe HAD at some point.

They became Focused on Science and Advancement, and took up Engineering other Species after they had Engineered/Evolved themselves to such a HIGH LEVEL.

They were not Preoccupied with other Things that Civilizations would see as a Important part of their being. Certain things that would bring Pleasure and Entertainment where likely Shunned...

Food is Food its basis is to sustain Life its Purpose is to give us Energy to use to Live.  And so they maybe took a Simplistic look at it like that....  (In Space Food Ration Protein Slop is all thats Needed, not a Fancy Banquet).

So they Likely took a similar Stance to other forms of Pleasure/Entertainment.... which includes SEX... which at its Basis is there to Procreate... simple as THAT....  No SEX, then No Procreation!

And so  as a Advanced Species then you could Procreate without SEX... we can do that NOW all we Need is a Sperm Cell and Egg Cell and then we get Test-tube Babies.. in Future we could Incubate Fetus like this... so we would NOT need SEX.

And so at some point i think again the Engineers looked at SEX as being the WAY to Procreate and ONCE they Found a way to do this without the Act of SEX then they saw NO POINT in having SEX and so they Abandoned it.

So i Suspect they GREW out of the NEED/WANT for Certain things and looked at them at their Basics. A Cultural Change of their Ways....

Eventually being a Race who have Engineered themselves to Live for Thousands and Thousands of Years and Procreate without SEX... then eventually then YES their Species could become STERILE...

It seems they was NOT Content with this and they was looking at Gaining some kind of IMMORTALITY some way to Transcend their SOULS to Beyond the Limitations of a Mortal Body/Vessel.    If they had BELIEVED they was so CLOSE to achieving this then they would NOT be Concerned about how they can NO LONGER go and Procreate.. who Needs to Procreate their Numbers if you can become IMMORTAL.

In the Meantime they began to Seed/Evolve Life on other Worlds, even Creating Races that are similar to themselves as they were maybe Millions of Years ago...  MANKIND being one such Creation.

They would VISIT and Nurture these Creations, watch them become Civilizations, Pass on Limited Knowledge and Arts.

Once the Engineers had gained that Transcendence to Godhood that they wanted.. to become Beings who are NOT of Flesh and Blood... they maybe would then allow some Civilizations they Created more of their Knowledge that is NO-LONGER required for beings who are NOW Beyond a Pane of Existence that Mortals have.

THEN.................

Something had Happened to Cause them to View Humanity as a Problem, a Threat maybe?

The Engineers likely NEVER achieved the Transcendence they Desired... they would REMAIN as Mortal, and while they LIVE for Thousands of Years, they can be KILLED and will eventually DIE and being Unable to Procreate they KNOW that their Species will EVENTUALITY go and Disappear.

They maybe saw that some of the Civilizations they Created and Nurtured had shown Signs of Evolving at a Quicker Rate that had taken the Engineers Millions of Years, due to the Fact the Engineers had Engineered and Passed On Knowledge to these Creations..

The FEAR would be there, the Realization that their Creations could MAYBE at some point in Future also Advance and take to the STARS and Gain the Engineers Secrets.

Its likely their Creations had began to LIVE in ways that are AGAINST the Ways the Engineers had turned their BACKS on.  They would Pervert the Basic Knowledge, Arts and Music, they would Pervert the Basic Need to Procreate.  Maybe these Species also showed signs of coming up with their own STORIES, and Mythos, or seeing the Engineers as NOT being so Godlike....

This would be a Concern... and the Engineers likely would VISIT these Worlds from Time to Time, and in the Case of Earth then things could have GROWN really out of Control.

They could have sent down Messengers or Emissaries to try to PUT us back on Track and Steer us AWAY from Vices, and Beliefs or anything that was AGAINST what the Engineers would EXPECT from us....

But we would NOT change our Ways or Accept the Ways of the Engineers, and then IF we would then Punish and Execute or Sacrifice these Emissaries then that would be the FINAL STRAW for the Engineers.

AT THIS POINT...

The Engineers would have THREE things on their Minds.

1) Failing to Gain Immortality do they Still Pursue another way to Achieve this?

2) Do they begin to Concentrate on a WAY that they can Regain the ability to Procreate?

3) They would look at a way they can Eradicate any Worlds/Civilizations they see as a THREAT and Rebellious.

THIS.....

Is likely when the Began their Experiments and the USE of their OUTPOSTS on LV-426 (latter Changed to LV-223)  maybe these Experiments were taken in the HOPE of Achieving (1) and (2) but they Certainly had Created something they could USE to Achieve (3).

And so (3) would relate/connect to the Xenomorph but is ONLY a SMALL Part of the Overall Plot/History of the Engineers.

The Xenomorph to them is maybe just as a Assault Riffle is to us... its a Evolution of the Black Powder that can be USED as a Weapon....   Black Powder became a GAME CHANGER in Warfare on Earth.

But their is MORE to Mankind than our Discovery, Invention of Black Powder and the Evolution of Weapons that have came from it.

And so in Context to the Engineers the Xenomorph was again MERELY a Engineered/Evolved Weapon...

And so THIS... is what they THOUGHT about between Alien Engineers and Prometheus that actually their is something BIGGER that you can Explore with the Engineers Plot than merely OH THEY CREATE XENOMORPHS as Weapons of War/Pest Control.

I will add that WHILE you Ponder are those Eggs the remains of Egg-Morphed Engineers i think it seems UNLIKELY as far as where they were going.

HOWEVER.... if we go back to Starbeast, then we look at the EGG MORPH scene that was Removed and then the UNUSED Mural by HR Giger.

Then this would IMPLY the Engineers/Space Jockey would Self Sacrifice themselves to PROCREATE the Starbeast/Xenomorph and so if we go by the Procreation Route that was CUT... then INDEED we could Speculate that the Engineers/Space Jockey may have Self Sacrificed some of their own to be EGG MORPHED.

The ELEMENT of them doing so would leave us to ASK as to WHY?

HOWEVER... if Ridley Scott had Envisioned the Xenomorph as something that could become more INTELLIGENT and that at some POINT had a Civilization.

Then this could THROW UP these Two Scenarios.

1) The Xenomorph/Starbeast would USE the Engineers to Procreate as they saw them as the Perfect Host.  The Engineers must have something that makes them Accept this Fate (Majority of them Gain something for doing this) or they are Enslaved against their Will.  Maybe some Engineers eventually Rebelled against this... or some Calamity Reduced the Starbeast Numbers so only a Few Remained and the Engineers took advantage or waited for their En-slavers/Masters to DIE OUT and then they looked to Exploit their Knowledge/Technology and Genetics.

2) The Engineers came across the Starbeast who have maybe been Reduced to Low Numbers or Extinct and the Engineers saw Potential in their Genetics (especially if this is a KEY to some kind of Immortality such as Genetic Memory/Soul Transfer) then the Engineers would have Good reason to Self Sacrifice to allow them to gain better Understanding of the Starbeast/Xenomorph and HOW to USE its Traits/Genetics to the Engineers Advantage/Salvation.

But ALAS we had Alien Covenant which kind of puts the above to BED.... However this does-not mean the above could apply to another Species who Pre-Date the Xenomorph who are the STARBEAST and who indeed use the EGG MORPH to Procreate/Resurrect themselves.

Regarding any Plans by Ridley Scott.... he had mentioned about the Xenomorph had started to Run it Course and you had to Evolve It and Explore other FORMS of Procreation and so i do BELIEVE that Ridley Scott would have shown us the Egg Morph at some point.

I love this franchise so:

1. Alien: love this one to death. I would say it is in my top 10/20 of all time

2. Aliens: Loved it though since I liked the quieter original this has to go 2nd.

3. Prometheus: People love to hate on it but I love this film. the music is great, the plot is good and the visuals are awesome. I get the complaints around this one, but I don't care the movie would've played out the same. I like them building on the backstory.

4. Covenant: This one is weird. I like it but I think less than Prometheus which bummed me out a bit. At the same time it sort of let me know that it had become a trilogy about David. I know people don't care but the possible sequel to this movie is one of my most anticipated films. The way it ended I hope it set up some full planet horror hunger games deal and end David in style. I've thought about this too much lol

5. Alien 3: I hate this one. The ending sequence is I think iconic and it has a lot of other stuff that is visually iconic, but I just don't like it. It is a tie between Resurrection. I like this one's story a bit more.

6. Alien Resurrection: I saw this one as a kid and I think it was my first theater Alien film or at least the one I recall going to. I like the director a lot and the style of this movie though the story is too cheesy for me to care. I still rewatch it.

happy wheels

I will add that Lindeloff is OFTEN used as a Scapegoat there are others at FOX who Pull the Strings and also Ridley Scott wanted more Ambiguity and with Ambiguity does come Discussion and Debate... if Prometheus was NOT at all Ambiguous and Spoon Fed there would be FAR LESS to talk about and the ALIEN  Section of this Website and others would have FAR Less Topics/Debate.

But what we got was TOO AMBIGUOUS.

The General Public and Casual Fans would NOT know HOW this Connects to ALIEN some would have Expected a Movie that Connects to ALIEN that is SET within the same Universe to have more of a Connection.

The Movie Needed more Clues.... it did-not have to SPOON FEED us... or have Xenomorphs it just Needed to have more Clues/Connective Tissue...

This would have Required a LONGER Run-Time... the Deleted Scenes do ADD some Meat to the Bones but they Mainly add more to the Engineers and Change HOW we could Interpret them.

I did do a EDIT that i Lost... which added a few Elements of Alien Engineers, plus some of my Own Scenes/Extensions.

But this kind of Edit would have made the Movie 35-40 Min Longer...

In HINDSIGHT...

Ive said this before....

FOX should have Followed up with a Exploration/Recovery Mission to LV-223 which would be more ALIENY, more so than Alien Engineers and could have given enough Clues to the Xenomorph and LV-426 while having a BIT of Ambiguity and would have CLOSED the Door to ALIEN.

They then would have FREEDOM to go where David and Dr Shaw are going and look more at the Engineers rather than to Sacrifice them and TRY and give us a NEW Origin Story of the Xenommorph.