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Something new would be my choice, it's too much about David right now and I'm not interested in that. Keep the engineers and the black goo, they have had Ripley in four movies and various Morphs (Xenomorph, Neomorphs, and so on) so why not the Engineers? If they are smart enough they try to introduce something new to the franchise like they did with the Engineers in Prometheus.

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"where Shaw and David would go next. My problem is that Shaw was dumb and annoying"

She was Annoying because she was so Naive and Stubborn to her Religion, her response to the Evidence by Holloway was "so who Created them" and she also said that "GOD would NOT have tried to Hurt her" and so what we have is a Interesting thing  to PONDER as to IF/WHEN she Discovers her WHOLE Religion and EVERYTHING she Believes in is PROVEN to be FALSE... what does THAT do to her Character and IF she discovers the Engineers are NOT Nice or their Creators or she does-not AGREE with what they do.   Say if the Engineers/Hierarchy are prepared to ALLOW her to STAY but then they are to GO TO EARTH to Destroy the Rest of us..... THEN maybe Dr Shaw would WANT to find a way to DESTROY them.

So her Character could be FIXED... Noomi is a Good Actor....

"Unfortunately they didn't have any text to it so the point gets lost, duh"

Indeed, we have NOT even seen the FULL Scene... the Actor who played the Sacrificial Engineer had a Few Lines that we NEVER saw, there is some dialog on the Blu-ray Extras by the Elder Engineer... no Translation but its shown in the Shot of the Draft... 

"Let your body become the dirt. Your blood become the waters, and may your soul become their way back to us."

So there was a GREAT Importance and Ritual to that Scene and RS had likened it to how the AZTECS would Choose a Sacrifice who would be Treated as a Prince for a Year and then SACRIFICED to the Gods for a Better Harvest and so this means that the Engineers is Sacrificed as a Duty for the Greater Cause of the Engineers which appears to be CREATION.

"Unfortunately Scott only seems to be interested in David at least in Covenant which was a disappointment"

I think that YES it has Reduced the Role of the Xenomorph... i think maybe we could Accept this.... our Xenomorph has had its Good Run Out.... the ONLY way Forwards would be that the Engineers discover those Eggs and see the Potential in them and RE-ENGINEER and Mass-Produce them and THEN they attempt to LOAD them up and GO OFF on a Warpath... but we know what HAPPENS NEXT ;)

And so its Time for something NEW or OLD as it were..... we maybe need to FORGET about our Xenomorph, but then THINK about as to WHY was it the Experiments on LV-223 had a Genetic Connection to the Xenomorph, the Hammerpedes, the Trilobite, the Deacon, the Mural, The Fresco.... the Neomorph!

so what is the Connection?

*Is this JUST what the Goo Does?

*Or is this Something that the Creation Goo was used on to make such Horrors, and so WHAT was the Creature they BEGAN those Experiments on?

*Or does the Creation Goo come from some other Creature/Species we have NOT seen yet?

WHEN/HOW and WHERE did the Engineers get the Sacrificial Goo from?

Getting away from LV-223/426 then the Engineers have likely Seeded and Interacted with MANY Worlds, and NOT only in this Galaxy.

*Have (do they) the Engineers had Conflicts with their OWN KIND?

*Do they have Conflicts with other Creations?

*Have they had Conflicts with other Species that THEY had NOT gone and Created?

*WHO are their Creators?

And so YES there is more that can be Discovered.

"like Amish people versus the modern ways of living to compare it"

Exactly i think this is what is going on with the Engineers, they do have Technology but they ONLY use it where its Needed, they have a VERY like Cultural/Ritual way of Living, they have Grown Out of things that our Modern Mankind now takes for Granted, and so its like their Culture has been given to them to Follow more Basic Ways like the Amish.

And i would say YES it is VERY UNLIKELY that Planet 4 is the ONLY kind of World the Engineers are on, they MUST have others, and maybe some of these they LIVE in Harmony with their Creations..   Ridley Scott had said the ENGINEERS are NOT A RACE!   They are a Civilization and so they could be a MIX of Engineer, Human and other Humanoid Genomes in their Worlds/Civilizations.

I think the PROBLEM you have is IF you go to bring the Engineers back then its HOW, you would have to THINK so HOW do you bring them BACK but then NOT have any Human Characters.... but there are WAYS around this ;)

Regarding SURVIVORS.... well it seems the Bombardment had NOT gone and infected the Entire Planet, we know that David had gone to Explore various Native Species of Fauna and Flora, IF we had Dr Shaw Survive for some time then she would NEED say Food/Drink as i cant see her being KEPT in Cryo-Sleep all the way until her Death.  For David to have had Engineers to Dissect and Experiment with which included Infants and Children then SOME must have Survived.

It is LIKELY the Bombardment only HIT a Certain Radius... what is Interesting is the Bombardment had eventually just Calcified the Engineers to like Mummified Stone.  And so maybe those Engineers who RAN into the Cathedral/Dome would NOT have been Effected, or others who were NOT in the Courtyard and were able to Barricade themselves.  If the OUTSIDE of those Buildings was Contaminated and NOT Safe then eventually the Surviving Engineers supply of Food would RUN DRY and eventually them become Emaciated and EASY for David to Pick Off.

The Neomorph Spores seemed to ONLY be at the Entrance to the Hanger where there is FLOWING WATER and down the Stream that runs down the Mountain Range where some Black Goo could have Spilled and RAN down the Stream and Infected MOLD/FUNGI that had grown.  And so the BLACK GOO could either be Primed/Programed to turn those Engineers to STONE or the Engineers had a Device that would Render all Genetic Material within a Radius to become Calcified so the Pathogen would be HALTED.

As far as SHIPS it would seem that with the Crashing of the Scorpion Ship (or maybe something else was Activated) then the SHIPS are Stranded and this is WHY we saw that David was Marooned for 10 Years.

RS said more Engineers will Return as they come and go every Few Hundred Years.

I think when it comes down to the Engineers it DEPENDS on what you would Expect.

LV-223 Guys who Speak Little would be kind of like having the Predators from AVP.

The Planet 4 Guys had disappointed some but these PAINTED a Picture about Civilization

The Elders were Interesting but they may have got a Redesign if we EVER got to see them where they would appear more like Planet 4 than LV-223.

The Plot seems to indicate the Engineers invest more time in Creating Civilizations and Teaching Them things and Interacting with Worlds, than SPENDING a lot of Time on Creating Horrors like the Xenomorph/Deacon and then ROCKING UP to worlds to UNLEASH them.

But thats the KIND of Engineers/Plot that most would want to see, i feel the Expansion with the Engineers is JUST beyond what many would be into, were as a AVP is more their kind of Cuppa Tea as far as Xenomorphs and ANOTHER Alien Species.  I guess Fans dont want Thought Provoking, but Bone-Breaking Story/Plot.

I think you Needed a Balance between the two.

"Covenant should have expand on that but it didn't for whatever reason."

Sadly this was a Sacrifice as a Consequence of them thinking so HOW do we make a Prequel that will Eventually lead to ALIEN, and HOW do we get more Human Characters as we ONLY have Dr Shaw.

And so you had the Covenant Ship and its Plot,  and sadly to give that enough Screen Time and then have the Engineers get more Screen Time would have meant a Extra 30-40 Min....  i would say that WITHOUT the Engineers then AC had needed a Extra 20-30 Min to Build on Characters... a lot of AC seemed Rushed/Forced.

Every Movie has Lame Characters as LONG as you have 3-4 say who Stand Out and well we have NOT had that since Alien 3.  A Good Plot and Special Effects will always FALL FLAT if the Characters are NOT Good or we cant Connect with.

Certainly it seemed that for RS the BIGGEST thing about the Prequels was about Creation, what makes Creation (does Creation have to be Organic Only) and also to look at the Pit Falls of Creating something Intelligent that becomes Sentient.

For me the Creator of the Xenomorph Plot was not so BAD it makes PERFECT SENSE in Context to the Theme/Arc but i do think it would have FITTED just as much if David had Created something Different more PERFECT than the Xenomorph, lets say the Ultramorph.

The Creation Theme would likely had Continued with a Sequel as RS had said it would NOT be about the Xenomorph, and also it would seem that DAVID would be Playing the MAIN ROLE again, which is something else that has NOT settled well with Fans.

Its a Case that NOW they had gone the Route to getting to LV-426 and Xenomorphs then THESE are what Fans are Expecting and NOT a Series about a Would-be Creator as in David and his Quest to become his own GOD/CREATOR.

In HINDSIGHT they should have made a Prometheus Sequel that goes to LV-223 where we get more of a Action Horror and more Clues Regarding the Connection to LV-426 and maybe even a Xenomorph appearance or VERY SIMILAR so then the DOOR to ALIEN could be Closed.

And the Franchise could begin with a Spin-Off thats NOT connected to LV-426 and Xenomorphs and the START of this Spin-Off begins WHEN we see David and Dr Shaw go to where they are OFF TOO.

So Prometheus would then had been a Bridge between ALIEN and a SPIN-OFF.

Good for those that are into those kind of things

Thanks Chris, I hope that this will draw old members back to this place, at least some of them. You already have a member that has commented on here that hasn't been active for a long time. Hopefully we will see old members get back here.

The Engineer head is interesting, makes me wonder why they built that. Maybe its a tribute to the elder engineers in some way? Not sure what the purpose would be but maybe there is one.

Interesting, I went to the page and checked it out. He has a lot of impressive things there and even though Covenant was a mixed bag I can't deny the talent that he has.

What if they don't get the Engineers right in the first place? You can't expect people to find things out in a sequel if the first one doesn't work. If you plan a series of movies you got to make it work the first time otherwise you're screwed. I don't say that it's impossible but it's risky but at least the prequels got messed up in their execution even though the ideas are interesting. There are things that I like in the prequels, I don't try to totally bash them and that that they are total crap.

How bout an Engineer spin-off? If Star Wars can have Rogue One then why not Alien? They need good writers and a director that doesn't play god and throws in dumb ideas.

“With a Sequel do they then Explain WHY this Weapons was Created in more Detail? Do they show MORE of this Weapon? Do they Spoon Feed the Space Jockey Story more?”

Those things should be hinted at and not overtly explained but they can't be too ambiguous either otherwise we will get a Prometheus. I don't totally blame Lindelof but he caused some trouble. Prometheus should have had more of Spaights and less ambiguity/Lindelof-isms.

I don't mind that they focused more on the Engineers and less on the Xenos. We already had six Xeno-movies before. The explanation should have been better in Prometheus, more A to D and less ambiguity which doesn't mean to throw out all the mystery. Alien is boring if everything is explained.

I hope that they keep the Engineers, even the guys at the Xenomorphing podcast said in their Prometheus episode that they would like to see more of them. More Engineers please, less David and even less of the monsters if they get the Engineers right.

Prometheus creates discussions, which is fine but unfortunately there is a lot of crap in it also. Sometimes we get discussions that are “well, that sucked and why did they do that?” not “Oh this is interesting. Why did they do that?” It depends on what kind of discussions there are and why. Unfortunately the why tends to be that a lot of it wasn't done well.

“But this kind of Edit would have made the Movie 35-40 Min Longer…”
So? I would rather have a good movie that is a bit longer rather than something that is cut for run-time and where things don't make sense/look dumb.
You mention where Shaw and David would go next. My problem is that Shaw was dumb and annoying, maybe she would have been more like in The Crossing which would have been fine but they needed to get her right in the introduction/early in the movie otherwise we get what we got.

“In the Meantime they began to Seed/Evolve Life on other Worlds, even Creating Races that are similar to themselves as they were maybe Millions of Years ago... MANKIND being one such Creation.”

This is something that I would have liked to see more of. We got a hint of it in the beginning of Prometheus with the guy with the cake. Unfortunately they didn't have any text to it so the point gets lost, duh.

“They maybe saw that some of the Civilizations they Created and Nurtured had shown Signs of Evolving”

Which is like David and Weyland but the Engineer part is more interesting. Never had any interesting the Weyland character but if they would have had that TED-talk in there he would have been better.

“This would be a Concern... and the Engineers likely would VISIT these Worlds from Time to Time, and in the Case of Earth then things could have GROWN really out of Control.”

I would have liked to see that, engineers that go to war against their creations. We don't need a full battle-movie but parts of it.

“And so in Context to the Engineers the Xenomorph was again MERELY a Engineered/Evolved Weapon…”
Yeah, but I would rather have them being responsible for it rather than David. Unfortunately Scott only seems to be interested in David at least in Covenant which was a disappointment.

“In Hindsight the MOST POWERFUL and Enigmatic Scene in the Franchise (Derelict/Pilot Chamber and Egg Chamber) should have REMAINED a Mystery.”

I agree

Anyone else that wants to add something?

As long as they have a good story and well-written characters I'm fine. I would be so disappointed if they would release a third David-movie after all this time waiting.

“The click bait BS is just getting out of hand lately and I think it's due to lack of any official updates.” (Chris)

Journalism for journalism's sake/to just write things and hope to keep your job is meaningless. There haven't been that many alien-news this far but that doesn't justify writing some garbage and represent it as legitimate/trustworthy information. Since I'm skeptical to a lot of things that I read I go by official sources otherwise it becomes easy to believe in nonsense. (I don't only do that with journalism but also to things that I hear, like “oh really? Duh”)

We’ve done this thing before but things can change so why not? Here is my list:

1. Alien 3 (both versions): I like how this ended the story of Ripley and it was also nice that it wasn't another marines versus aliens. Newt and Hicks died but this franchise has never been about family and happiness anyways so that was alright. There were enough well-done characters for it to work like Clemens (the doctor), Dillon (the religious leader), and so on. First they distrust Ripley but after a while she becomes the leader kind of. Alien 3 has a good soundtrack. I can understand why some people might dislike it but it's my favorite.

2. Alien: They movie that started it all. I like how they are trapped on a space ship that is small enough and that there is nowhere to escape, I also like that they don't manage to kill the Xeno first, it takes a while. A lot of it is in darkness but there is also some well-lit scenes also mainly in the control room? Parker and Brett are interesting that they are so different and still they work together. Ripley as the final character does a good job and also Cartwright as Lambert in that she is the face of panic and who wouldn't be scared in a situation like that? The scene with the derelict and the SJ is really good and the fairly silent atmosphere adds to that. Even though many has seen the Kane scene I can imagine someone watching it for the first time.

3. Aliens: Maybe it's fair to call this the action movie? I like how it is a different genre compared to Alien. The marines seem kind of confident in the beginning but it goes to crap later. Vasques is my favorite character in this movie still I like her don't take any shit attitude. Hicks works as the silent leader person. Burke is an asshole and works in the context of the movie. I like how this shows a bit more of the company but maybe it wasn’t that necessary to get more information about it in the longer version? Some mystery is needed in a franchise like this.¨

4. Prometheus and Covenant: Prometheus I like the idea about the Engineers, I also like the visuals. Scott is good with how the movie shall look but his ideas for the story are bad. David, and Janek work as characters but I'm not too impressed with the rest. I have seen extra-material from the movie and too many character-scenes are left out, which is a major let-down and makes some of the characters look dumb or not interesting. The new monsters are interesting, I like that they tried something new with this movie even though it doesn't work in general. 2 out of 5

Covenant I like that the planet looks like it has more life, the one in Prometheus looked kind of dead. I like that we saw a bit about the Engineers even though it was too little and I also like that we saw some of their things.

Unfortunately this has the same problem as Prometheus did, most of the characters are lame, I don't understand most of the personality that the characters have they are just blank faces which means that I don't care when they die. At least the characters were not as annoying here as they were in Prometheus. David and Walter are interesting compared to each-other, Oram is interesting as a religious scientist too bad that his death-scene was lame. When Oram died is when I lost interest in the movie. Faris had a fairly small part but I sort of liked her character even though it could have been so much better written and bigger. Seeing Walter and David and how different they were as characters was interesting but the flute-scene where they talk about creation and what ever was too long and too slow, I almost fell asleep at the end of that scene. David as the hinted creator of the Xeno sucks balls.

5. AVP1: I like how it was set somewhere far away on earth, not sure if they would have managed to have it elsewhere on this planet. The isolation works in favor of this movie. Having the predators and Xenos fighting against each-other was an interesting thing. Unfortunately most of the characters except for Lex and Weyland were lame, same as with the prequels. This movie isn't extremely good but it's not a disaster either, I can watch it without feeling embarrassed for the franchise. One thing that I like was the pyramid, that was an interesting setting where you could feel the claustrophobia, a bit of the same feeling as in Alien. A scene that first had a person scared and then we see a penguin was hilarious.

6. AR: Comedy, lame characters not even Ripley was good even though it was kind of interesting with the hybrid Xeno-DNA. The cloning-thing could work in the alien-universe but it didn't here. Unfortunately this is where the franchise started to go downhill. One thing that they got right was the visuals, it looks good but the story and the characters were not. AR got the Xenos wrong, they look like they have dark plastic bags as skin and the newborn looks like crap. A scene a bit into the movie is the underwater-scene, it was good and scary imagine yourself being in that situation. Bad writing got this movie down and it seems from podcasts that I have listened to that Fox messed up on this one.

7. AVPR: Last on the list because it sucks, it is a redundant movie. Random scenes put together without any narrative sense, characters without personality, characters that are just there for one scene and then they are dead. A bad Scream rip-off. The movie is so dark so a lot of the times you don't see a thing. Isn't a point of a movie that we shall be able to watch it? Sorry for being blunt but F this one, it gets 0/10.

There is so much potential with the Engineers so to reduce their world to just one stone-planet would be very boring. To me it seems more interesting if Planet 4 was just one of the places where the Engineers or a sub-group of them if you will (like Amish people versus the modern ways of living to compare it) had decided to live.

I'm not very interested in what happened between Shaw and David, Shaw is what she is and I don't want a movie about a robot. They could write a book about it for those that are interested.

David got his head ripped off in Prometheus so I doubt that he would like to take any risks. Weren't there different drafts where they wrote a bit about what Shaw and David did between Prometheus and Covenant?

“What of the Engineers..... it appears some MUST have Survived for a While... Until they became the TEST SUBJECTS of David.”

Here's another idea: What if some of them realized that David was dangerous so they left in some ships that they had hidden somewhere? Maybe some of them survived and what about them? Why did some of the survive for a bit while others died immediately? Was it about how much of the bio-bombs that they got on them (compare it to napalm maybe)?

“Well we have a 2000+ Year Gap as to WHY we are Still here if these ENGINEERS all Hate us and WANT US DEAD... so you could have had a Conflict a Battle in the STARS where the Engineers had a WAR between each other.........…”

I would rather have that compared to Covenant, a civil war of sorts.

“It seemed Written in STONE that regardless of WHERE it was that David went, that Eventually he would RAIN HELL on the World.…”

But that reduces what they could do with another movie, it’s not a smart choice if you ask me.They should have done another movie or have another direction in ideas of where to go after Prometheus.

About few characters, you could concentrate on a few but they should be well written and well executed and should be more in amount compared to Covenant. Conflicting the franchise, you could fix that with some smart writing but they got to be better than the level that we got in Covenant.

It's good that they keep the Engineers in the franchise, it would be too bad if they were never seen again in any way. The prequels added them to the franchise and expanded it, something that I welcome.  There are more to this franchise than Xenos and the old things. Unfortunately AC took a step back on this but I hope that they will be in another alien-movie in the future.

Nah, my opinion is kind of the same compared to back then. There are some good parts and then there are things that are just not good. Covenant has mostly lame characters, it is too much about a crazy robot, and he is also given the role of the creator of the Xeno. There is too little about the Engineers which is a shame. Even though Prometheus was so and so at least it introduced the Engineers and therefore expanded the franchise.

The could have left the Xeno alone, cool monsters don't make a movie good. They could have showed the Xeno as a cameo at the end of the third prequel. Having new monsters is something that the prequels did right.

“Do you still hope Ridley Scott gets to conclude his Prometheus prequel series…”

It depends on if he gets better human characters, reduce the David part heavily, make the Xeno something that David didn't create, and have more about the Engineers. Keep Scott far away from the story, he can be involved with the visuals but not more than that. Not interested in a movie about a mad android, forget it.

I haven't watched Covenant in a long time, there are fan-edits that improve it a little but it is still not enough because it isn't a very good movie. When the foundation is lame then it doesn't help to add things.

More Engineers please but if it's supposed to be a trilogy it might be a bit too late to introduce much about them in the last movie. Covenant should have expand on that but it didn't for whatever reason.

The poster with the Engineer sand the monsters was cool but it implied a movie that we never got. It would probably have been better than the actual movie. It implied that the Engineers created something that they shouldn’t have and it became their downfall, it could also imply David releasing the monsters on them which didn’t happen. Having David recreating the monster and releasing it on the Engineers could have been better than to have him responsible for the monster.

A problem with the prequels is that they removed a lot of the mystery and replaced it with things that are not as interesting.

“I would be just fine if only the Engineers had kept researching the Aliens as weapons of war.”

This is something that I totally agree with.

Monsterzero brings up two points that I agree with. The last time that there were enough well-done characters was in Alien 3, the rest have been disappointments mainly for that reason. To me only Faris and Oram had any personality in AC among the humans, Daniels wasn't that good and was too much like a rip-off of Ripley but she didn’t have that much of a personality either.

Alien Covenant is a part of a conversation between two opposing dynamics:-

1) Ridley Scott's return to science fiction and the matters that interest him. 

2) The A L I E N fanbase involved in its own internal construct of what it believes anything attached to the name should be about with a set of fixed parameters.

In Prometheus, Bladerunner and Raised By Wolves we see Ridley's preoccupations, a fascination with what is life, how much is constructed and to what extent is there a blurring of the lines or could be. How were we created (Engineered benign accident) and mankind's reaction to mortality (Weyland) and how religiosity enters the narrative.

In Alien Covenant we see an attempt to get inside the ALIEN construct and try and attach the monster to the creation riff which pleases no one. 

Fans like to blame the messenger for not being invested enough or lacking belief in the monster.

The reality is whether Prom/BR49/RBW are any good the subject matter is far more interesting than recycling the monster. 

That Ridley would have placed the monster on the edge of the follow up to AC is unsurprising we see the comment in RBW that the monsters are degraded humans just as in Prometheus the rule book was set up that the monster was a degrading of the original intent. 

Put simply Ridley's natural constituency is not the ALIEN fan base. His view of AC is "I told you so" the fans view is "try harder." AC reminds of the dichotomy and gap between deliverer and recipient.   

Certainly i have to try and DIG some up.

Dane Hallet (AC Concept Artist) had some some Interesting works.

Very Cool like Transparent kind of Xenomorph.

These were Interesting too, giving us like a Look into a Hybrid of Human and Xenomorph/Neomorph DNA.

I think it would have been Interesting to see WHAT it is that David would have Created on Origae-6.  So below i Modified a Engineer Concept/Work for Davids Notes from AC (Engineer too the Left) by turning it into a Taller, Slender Hybrid that i thought maybe could be WHAT it is that David would Create Next ;)

My TWO CENTS on the Prequels....

What we have to look at is the ALIEN Franchise was about the XENOMORPH you could not have said had a Sequel to ALIEN R that had No Xenomorphs or had NOTHING you could relate to it with.  You then also had RIPLEY and she was the Continuation, the Anchor Point/Proxy for us, the Character that we EXPERIENCE the Horrors through her Experiences.

There were Under-layers such as Company Agenda, Androids etc.  But it seems they RAN OUT of ideas as to HOW to Continue with the Franchise if you dont have Ripley and Xenomorphs (we in the same Boat Now).

And so the PREQUEL route was the Option and when you are doing a Prequel you are going to be EXPECTED to get Answers to the Xenomorph and LV-426.

But the other PART of the Mystery was the SPACE JOCKEY as to WHO WAS HE? and WHERE WAS HE GOING? and WHY did he have that Cargo... these in addition to HOW/WHERE the Xenomorphs came from are WHAT the Basis of the Prequels were.

During the Production of the Prequels they had Expanded a Plot/Background to the SPACE JOCKEY that could OPEN UP the Franchise to a Expanded Universe, and we got to a POINT when they was like "you know what that Engineers, Creation Plot and Connection to Ancient Mankinds Origins is a Interesting Plot" It was like ONCE you showed the Xenomorph and Origins and then WHERE do you go NEXT!  More Xenomorph Movies?

And so they felt the other PLOT Points are where you could GO NEXT and then it was like "actually we dont have to give the Answers to LV-426 and the Xenomorph we could KEEP them a Mystery"  The Problem was the Clues to WHAT happened on LV-426 and WHY was toned down too much and the Xenomorph did not get a Satisfactory Replacement! with Mutant Fifield doing MOST the Killing in ONE ATTACK and then the Angry Engineer in another Single Attacking Spree.

And so to CONTINUE with a Sequel that would NOT give those Answers and STEER AWAY from ALIEN and Explore more about WHO those Engineers are and WHY they Create Life and then WHY they would Destroy is, well US with Dr Shaw wanting to get those Answers... we also had the Creation/Rebellion Hierarchy which David was the Last Branch of.

After Years of NOT being able to come up with a Story, and FEELING that maybe such a STORY would NOT get a Interest, they FELT that maybe you NEED to give those Answers and to them bring back the Xenomorph and get us to LV-426.

And so the Xenomorph and LV-426 was Brushed Aside with Prometheus while it went to SET-UP another Avenue... and that Avenue was Brushed Aside to actually get us to the Xenomorph and LV-426.... but they FELT that David was the Central Character to  the Prometheus Theme and so the EMPHASIS was still on him.... and the Xenomorph would be BROUGHT BACK... but to CONNECT those TWO... in which they did so with having HIM become the Creator.

But so much more about what else the Engineers had Created, other Horrors, other Worlds and Dr Shaw getting those Answers were all THROWN OUT!

What we got was a Wasted Potential of a Prometheus 2 where a Prometheus 2 may NOT have Pleased those who wanted XENOMORPHS and the Answers (LV-426).... to NOW giving those GUYS the Answers (Path to LV-426) but in a way that makes the Xenomorphs Creation NOT be that Special and the EMPHASIS on that Robot David which well is something that does-not PLEASE many.

"Unless they can show me why it was necessary? "

They decided to go and give us the ORIGINS and to make it FIT with the Theme at Play about Sub-Creation that can become Sentient, feel Superior to their Creator and NOT happy with their ROLE.  with David he had FELT he was Superior to Mankind and the Engineers and he wanted to see what he could CREATE and so they felt LETS MAKE it that David is the Creator...

They could have had him Create something SIMILAR and it still would have FITTED the THEME/PLOT.... but then some Fans be like so where are the Xenomorphs and WHAT HAPPENED on LV-426 so you would have to give the Xenomorphs the LIGHT again and so they thought LETS MAKE it that David was the Creator (it seemed the Earlier Drafts that WOULD-NOT connect to LV-426 and give us the Xenomorph we would have seen David go and Create a NEW kind of Monster).  But this was Changed so that we could FIT the Xenomorph and eventually HOW it got on the Derelict into the Prequels. (while still having David as the Focus).

WHAT A MISTAKE!

"I felt no connection to the main characters"

This has been a Problem since Alien Resurrection really.... if say you have ONLY seen AR (so you never saw ALIEN, ALIENS and ALIEN 3) then the ONLY Character who stood out was CALL....

I think its NOT quite how many you have, but you have to have 3-4 Main Characters who you can Really Connect with..... taking away the ROBOTS.  Then with AR, P and AC we never had any Characters who stood out, Certainly as far as Survivors....  it was WORSE with AC as for me only Karine, Faris and Oram stood out.... then that was NOT too Well, Daniels and Tennessee you just had NO CARE for..... they was more like Milburn, Ford and Ravel/Chance from Prometheus than any Main Characters. And so  Alien Covenant lacked its Dr Shaw, Janek and Vickers.

"The black goo that David drops from Juggernaut looked more effective and faster than the Aliens as bio-mechanical weapon anyway"

Absolutely ;) I have said a Number of times the Xenommorph is NOT really a Great Weapon, its more like a NUKE OPTION, well its Risky and by NUKE i mean it seems a Weapon you can use to WIPE OUT a Enemy but its NOT a Good One if you want to Reclaim/Occupy that Land/World.

The Black Goo from LV-223 as seen in Prometheus would be likewise, turning a Civilization into Fifield Mutants that will each other, and other LIFE being turned into Aggressive Hybrids like the Hammerpedes and even if we get to Deacons or Similar would ALSO make the Weapon something thats NOT ideal if you want to either TAKE OVER/RECLAIM a Planet.

The Neomorph Spores also would be the same...

But YES what we saw happen to the Engineers where there Genetic Material became like Calcified into Mummies.... then YES as a Bio-Weapon that was QUICK and EFFECTIVE and then Weeks, Months latter you can WALK around the City/World and all that remains of the Target are like Statues of the Fallen.

If the Black Goo can be Programed to cause that EFFECT (what we saw with the Engineers on Planet 4) then YES thats all the Bio-Weapon you NEED ;)

Another Point is that Ridley Scotts says the Engineers are Creators and Space Gardeners and it seems the Bio-Weapon is ONLY something they USE to RESET/RECLAIM the Worlds they SEED and so the Effects in Alien Covenant (not Neomorph Spores) would be PERFECT!

And so in Context to above then the SACRIFICIAL GOO would also be a IDEAL FACTORY RESET, if you had URNS full of that Stuff and so say those Engineers would then just START to become DUST/PARTICLES like in Prometheus Opening Scene then THIS would also be PERFECT.

So the MOTIVE behind the Mural and DNA in the Urns on LV-223 and any attempts to YIELD a Xenomorph/Deacon like Horror must be BEYOND merely to KILL a Enemy and TAKE OVER/BACK their World.... something more Twisted is going on with the Minds of those who WISH to USE the Creation/Reset Tool in this way.

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I enjoy Alien:Covenant. 

I have two problems with it: 

1.) David creating the Xeno. I thought this was pointless......Unless they can show me why it was necessary? 

2.) I felt no connection to the main characters. Didn't care if they lived or died.

Prometheus was the same. Both are cool space monster movies....but....crazy weak on characterization.

Too many characters in A:C?  Should they have limited the cast to three or four?

Uggh. Was hoping it was Alien not Aliens themed. Would love to have a Nostromo themed pinball...Or better yet...A Space Jocky / Juggenaut one.

I like portions of Prometheus and parts of AC. I think I like them both about equally the same. AC has some very unique special effects that help tell the story. Stylistically AC has powerful scenes and definitely creates some great sci-fi suspension of disbelief.

Objectively on the other hand both movies for me have plots I just do not care for and so I agree with BigDave that to reveal the origins of the Alien was a mistake.

I would much rather have not known where the Alien came from. I would be just fine if only the Engineers had kept researching the Aliens as weapons of war.

The black goo that David drops from Juggernaut looked more effective and faster than the Aliens as bio-mechanical weapon anyway.

Obviously I want Scott to complete the films and wrap it all up if he can. Disney threw everything in the vault. It looks like there will never be another film. Not sure really what will happen. When Disney put everything away though that was not a good thing for the property as a whole.

Love looking back through this topic! Gonna work on populating it with even more fan art, I'm sure since 2017 there have been some new creations!

One more thing.................

Looking back at the Marketing which seemed to IMPLY the Xenomorph a LOT, and when we had the Poster (which we see in the TOPIC BANNER) I am sure that some would have Expected some Xenomorph action against the Engineers.

I think maybe we could see similar in Future (well maybe would have done before DISNEY take over) and i think looking at the Poster then THIS would be something i think that MOST the Fans would have liked to see.  I think the Poster for Alien Covenant was  BIT NAUGHTY.... it Certainly was FALSE Advertising on the Part of FOX

"Do you still hope Ridley Scott gets to conclude his Prometheus prequel series "

That would be GREAT but i am NOT sure we will get that NOW, i think mainly due to HOW the Plot has Written itself into a Corner. 

Looking at the SET-UP i think the Fans would be a bit Reluctant to go and Follow where David would GO NEXT.... but that DOES-NOT mean they have to go the Expected Route!

So we was told that the NEXT MOVIE would follow where David would be going, asking WHAT KIND of World would he Create?  The Plot would NOT be about Xenomorphs (does-not mean there would be NONE) and that there would be 3/4 Incoming Parties with ONE being the Engineers as they Return to Discover the Ruin left behind by DAVID and they will want to get the CULPRIT!

From this i think a LOT of Fans would be wanting to get to when the Engineers Turn Up and some other Humans and then let the Carnage Commence throw in the Xenomorph and i think THIS is what would appease the Fans in General (By-Pass what David is doing for the Most Part).

WELL.....................a Sequel can still FIX things a Little for those Fans who would NOT be interested in another David Movie!

If we look at the SET-UP we have David with the Covenant who will be Continuing with his Journey to Origae-6 which will take him 88 Months, it will be some TIME before his ADVENT Message reaches the Company and his LOG as Walter so the Company will KNOW that David is going to Oriage-6 and as the Ship was likely 11 Months on its way to Origae-6 before it diverted to Planet 4 and with the ADVENT Message likely to not be received for a bit then we can ASSUME that David would have a 2 Year or so Head Start over the Company.

NOW... we see that Planet 4 was within a YEAR from Earth, the Company would be AWARE of that Place and its LIKELY they would SEND a Mission to Planet 4 they would even Consider LV-223 i reckon.  (I was surprised they NEVER went back to Investigate the Disappearance of the Prometheus)

So going Forwards then YES i see the Company going to Origae-6 i ASSUME this may take them 8 Years, (Less with Ships Faster than the Covenant) but then with Planet 4 being like 7+ Years Closer i think the Company is BOUND to send a Mission to Planet 4.

We have the Neomorph Spores to Worry about but also that CAVE of Eggs!

We had Ridley Scott say that Engineers come back to Planet 4 every now and again and they WILL RETURN to Planet 4 at some Point....

So Potentially you could have a Company Science/Military Ship arrive to Planet 4 and they Struggle with the Xenomorph.... and then THINGS get Worse when the ENGINEERS turn up!

The Engineers would have a Tough Time with the Xenomorphs but the Survivors are BOUND to be Impressed with this KILLING MACHINE... they will also KNOW that THEY had NOT created it and seeing LOADS of Human Bodies they would suspect that the HUMANS had something to do with the Creation of it and the DEATH of the Civilization on Planet 4

If your a Engineer you are going to maybe be Impressed with the Xenomorph and WANT to get Humanity Destroyed before we can Spread Across the Galaxy and so you would take NOTE of the workshop of David, you would take some Eggs to your OUTPOST on LV-223 and Prepare to EVOLVE and MASS PRODUCE them to TAKE OUT the Earth.

When they get to LV-223 and Complete the Mass Production and are ABOUT to leave to DEPLOY them then we KNOW that something GOES TO POT!

And so you can Conclude the Prequels without having to go where David is going, and YET you dont Conflict what David does and so it leaves it OPEN to go to Origae-6 where the PLOT does-not have to STEER to ALIEN anymore.

I thought i would BUMP this with this Reply....

Been thinking about Creation and Different kind of Human, and i still think that DAVID would have gone on to EVOLVE those Embryo's to make his OWN Children a Mankind MK2 if you would.

So i have taken ONE of the Drawings by David from Alien Covenant, the Engineer and NEXT to it i have Modified that Engineer to make a New Kind of Human a Super Human if you would.

I took the Engineer and Increased the Length of the Forearms, and Fingers, then i Increased the Length of the Hips/Legs with me Further Extending the Legs again from the Knee.  Then i Elongated the Neck and Head Height but then also Elongated it at the back. 

Before adding 6 Digits and Removing the Nipples, Naval Cavity and Reducing the Ears.

What we have is a 10ft Humanoid with Greater Strength, Speed, Agility than a Human and likely Engineer, with better Dexterity and also some Extra Sensory Perception Organs.... maybe even like a Hive Mind/Telepathic Ability.

David using the Embyro's and Tinkering with the Genomes and then Splicing some Xenomorph DNA/Traits.... and so we had David go and Tinker the Engineers Deacon/Neomorph.  And this image above could be him Tinkering with the Human Genome.  Perfecting mankind beyond even the Engineers own DNA.

Of-course this Creation would TURN on David once they Discover he is NOT a GOD and he is a Creation of their own TRUE ORIGINS and they find out the Horrors that David had done to their Parents....

Not to Worry i think David has his WOLF to take care of his Rebellious Children and the RESULT would surely be  THE ULTRAMORPH!

And so INDEED if the Face Hugger makes 8ft Xenomorphs from a 6ft Human then the Ultramorph is about 13ft which would be what a Face Hugger would do to a 10ft Humanoid. ;)

As FAR as Alien Covenant goes i think its left the Franchise in a Pickle because so much of what a Prometheus Sequel could have been had been BRUSHED under the Carpet.... (Engineers, Dr Shaw those Questions).

And WHILE it does take the Themes of Prometheus and Creation to the NEXT LEVEL with David and his Quest to become a Creator/God, i think the Pickle we are in is that some Fans can not Connect to a Movie Franchise about HIM and as we have Begun the Route to the Xenomorph, i think we are Marching to the Inevitable and it seems that its UNLIKELY that some Fans would want to SIT THROUGH another Movie to then SET-UP the Inevitable.  By that if we require say TWO MORE Sequels until we get to the BACK DOOR of ALIEN, and the NEXT ONE will NOT be about Xenomorphs then i am NOT SURE that some Fans would want this they would want to get us to that FINAL CHAPTER

They would want to get to seeing the Space Jockeys turn up, seeing Xenomorphs Tearing things to Shreds and then seeing HOW those Eggs get on the Ship and WHEN the Space Jockey is Infected... i think a LOT of Fans would want to BY-PASS what David has Planned Next....

For me i would be TOTALLY up to go to where David goes NEXT and i dont mind if we have NO Xenomorphs for another 1-2 Prequels before we get the Concluding Movie.

I think its a Shame we may NEVER get to go to other Engineer Worlds, see other Creations and Conflicts be they in the Ancient Past or FAR FAR away... because there is ONE LIMITING FACTOR....

HUMANS so that means Earth right?

It does-not have to had been so, there could be other Humans in other Parts of the Galaxy, who is to say that Mankind was NOT brought to Earth and taken to other Worlds in the Past?

But how would that WORK... surely they wont Speak English?

Caprica (BSG Prequel) those are Humans FAR FAR away who Speak English. Look at Star Wars....  the Skywalkers are HUMAN and they Speak English what a Convenience that is ;)

So yeah you could have had Humans who do-not Speak English we can hear some Ancient Language or Alien with Subtitles then they Speak English as a Convenience for the Viewer.

Thanks ;)

Never Played RE8 i have to say there is a LOT that is similar to what we have seen in the Prequels in many ways ;)

I always found the Creation Elements and other things with the Prequels interesting and i think its a SHAME that they Felt they NEEDED to give us the Xenomorph and its Origins.  The Sequel to AC seemed like it would TAKE a Inevitable Conclusion but RS had said the NEXT MOVIE would NOT be about Xenomorphs and so it seems it may have NOT been what some Fans may have Expected a Continuation to had shown.

I think its Interesting to Point out the Tech Chris.

LV-223 has been a Outpost for 35'000 Years at least we ASSUME (unlikely the Engineers would leave a indication to Cavemen about a Outpost that will be Built in the Future).  And so LV-223 could have been there for even LONGER than 35'000 Years.

Regarding Obsolete Tech, i think we can Safely Assume that over time their Technology has had Upgrades and has Evolved, we had Ridley Scott say that maybe the Engineers Technology is MILLIONS of Years Old... this seemed in relation to the Juggernauts.  You would ASSUME that the Teardrop Ship is Technology that is BEYOND MILLIONS of Years Old.... However who is to say the Sacrificial Scene had taken place over a Billion Years? It could have been Hundreds of Millions or Hundreds of Thousands i think it just shows that the Engineers would Return Over and Over to UPGRADE/EVOLVE Creation maybe by the same means?

But sometimes you have to take what Ridley Scott says with a Pinch of Salt, because he does seem to get Confused at times, well he say things like when he said the Derelict and Juggernauts Tech are Separated by Hundreds of Years.  This makes Little Sense if the Derelict is Older as it would IMPLY that the Juggernauts are either a Few Thousand Years Old... or the Derelict has been on LV-426 for a VERY VERY VERY Long Time before the Juggernaught Tech.

Maybe the Derelict was the Newer Evolved Tech that had been in Service for a Shorter Time before the Outbreak happened and then LV-426, because when you have a NEW MODEL of Car or whatever then you will still USE the Older Model for a while after the New Model has been released.

I think IF we Question to HOW the Technology cant be Millions of Years Old because that would mean there has been NO UPGRADES for Millions of Years.  I think we NEED to bare in mind that with some Tools then ONCE they are Basically Perfect for their JOB then they do-not CHANGE.  A Fork, a Spoon a Cup have all been around for a LONG TIME and in 50 Years they would still NOT really change as far as any Evolution.  The same thing Happens with Nature, be it Fauna or Flora, some Organisms have remained the same for MILLIONS of Years some have Changed Little... but then you have other Species that have had a lot of Evolving over duration of Tens/Hundreds of Thousands of Years

Yeah i know Technology is Different, but my Point is that with a Fork or say a Spade (for digging) then they are Basically the same NOW as 100 Years ago, and more.. and will likely be the same in Hundred Years as they do-not really Need to be Changed for their Purpose.

And so if  the Engineers Technology is FIT for its Purpose and Needs NO kind of Evolution/Change then the Technology could remain the same for Millions of Years.

I think when it comes down to HOW it was that David could USE this Tech, well for the sake of the PLOT we have to assume that the Research that David has done has allowed him to READ the Engineers Writing etc (we saw he could SPEAK to a Engineer) and the Doors maybe are Easy to Activate because maybe the Engineers were so NAIVE that they NEVER thought anyone else but their OWN KIND would ever Arrive at their Outposts.

Also Once he activated the Orrery Hologram Play Back he saw the Engineers and Watched HOW they Activated the Navigation System.

I will add that for HOW Advanced the Engineers Tech is, then YES as Blackant has said before, i dont think that Tech looks Millions of Years more Advanced than say the Human Tech from circa 2100-2200 in the Alien Universe, many Thousands of Years then YES but MILLIONS?  But as i said before IF the Juggernaught is Basically as Perfect as Needed for its Task then maybe it NEEDS NO kind of Upgrade/Evolution.

Happy 4th anniversary.
Honestly, I like it as much as Prometheus.
If Disney or whoever is in control decides to go in different direction, I just hope they get someone who is a fan and cares about the franchise, and not
someone who doesn't give a shit and only cares about $$.

(Some spoilers for Resident evil village)

I recently finished Resident evil village, and one part of the game towards the end reminded me a lot of alien: covenant.
Some previous parts of the game reminded me of other films (Frankenstein's army (2013) for example), but this one specific part immediately reminded me of alien: covenant when I saw it.

I'm talking about this:
https://youtu.be/dBuxkXkc7MY?t=91

Thanks a lot for sharing all of this with us.

I would like to help but I never played a game like that, I'm sorry.

@BlackAnt,

I will agree it was lazy storytelling to assume David could operate ancient Engineer technology. I think it would have been far more entertaining (and realistic) if he attempted to press the right buttons but accidentally unleashed Hell on the Prometheus crew.

We should also consider that the installation on LV-223 had been abandoned for some time. Perhaps the Engineer facilities here were dated and running older, obsolete tech? Clearly there were some bugs ... lol More so this might equate to someone in the 1950s traveling to the future and discovering a military base from the 1970s. Obviously a ridiculous comparison, but for the sake of discussion, my point being perhaps the tech present on LV-223 was not as advanced or the pinnacle of Engineer development at the time?

I dunno, I'm trying to give David the benefit of the doubt hahaha

You are right though, the physics and laws governing the Engineer tech and their abilities exceed any comprehension Humans or their A.I. are likely able to grasp. But, having an advanced A.I. take point when trying to exploit such technology lends a little more believability to the plot than if it had been one of the Human crew.

I too, was left moderately entertained by the CGI in Covenant, truth be told, I enjoyed Prometheus and its special effects more.

Regarding the SAFEGUARDS for the Engineers Home-World then YES you would expect better, but then the same can be said about LV-223 and HOW they suffered the Outbreak.  But we are talking about Necessity to drive the PLOT, so if David and Dr Shaw where Stopped before they could Enter the Planets Atmosphere say a Barrier is Raised and the Ship Disabled then the Engineers discover that the Ship has NONE of their Kind but Intruders then we would have had a Different Movie and well the ODDS of David and Dr Shaw being around for LONG would be Slender...

Regarding the Technology then i agree to a Point, i would say that Humans are Intelligent some Exceptionally so even in ANCIENT TIMES and so i think if you brought say 100 Humans from say 1000 Years ago to our Present, then i would think a Majority of them could be TAUGHT how to USE our Technology. We have the ability to Pass On and Learn Knowledge which is WHY i guess we Survived because of our ability to Adapt and Evolve in this way.

But as FAR as say going back 1000 Years and leaving a Smart Phone or Tablet behind for some Humans to Discover then YES they would NOT have a Clue what it is.  We are a Curious Species and eventually some will PLAY with the Phone and Realize you can Touch the Screen to OPEN UP many Different Things, they could with TRIAL and ERROR get to the Gallery and see Images and Videos and maybe Accidentally Activate the Camera....  but the Concept of APPS for Calls, Messaging the Internet etc would be TOTALLY ALIEN to them.

These things would appear ALIEN to us even 100 Years ago, but i would say if you took a Smart Phone back 50 Years ago then it would NOT be as ALIEN or Hard to Grasp i would say Modern Mankind could USE the Technology we have in 100 Years.

But as FAR as sending a Device from NOW to 100 Years ago and Expecting someone to Reverse Engineer it that would be Difficult because their is a LOT of Components that are NOT invented yet and for someone to even Consider HOW such a Device is MADE and take it apart and Build Another as far as going back to 1000 Years ago then YES it would be Impossible for them.

But i dont think we have to look at David being able to Reverse Engineer it, he seems to MERELY be Using it... and as a Intelligent A.I i think he could Learn how to USE what we have seen in the Prequels.  The Technology does-not look like its WAY BEYOND our Comprehension.

However a Point i think you Raised before is VALID in that the Technology we see does-not really FIT with what you would Expect from a Species who are Millions of Years Old... the Technology should be BEYOND our Comprehension.

A lot of things with Movies is a Necessity for the Plot, if Dr Shaw said to David about can he USE one of the Engineer ships.. if his Response was NO-WAY its Impossible for him.  Then Dr Shaw would have to Spend her Time in the Complexes or on a Ship just to Breath the Oxygen Generated until someone ELSE would eventually TURN UP at LV-223.  She likely Starve to Death by then.

Welcome back Black Ant ;)

Firstly i have to agree to a degree i do like the Dome but i also prefer the View/Versions were you CANT really make out the SKULL, you can make out something but its NOT that Clear.

Regarding the David as the Creator i think it makes PERFECT sense as far as the PLOT and Story Arc and Themes, but then having him Create something that SIMILAR but Not the Same (lets say the Ultramorph Design) would have FITTED with the ARC and kept the Original Origins a Mystery.

I think the Xenomorph in AC looks Good in some Shots, and in others its NOT like the Greatest, but with some CGI then that does affect the Budget and well when they wish to have the Beast as being something Tall and Slender then there are LIMITS when your putting a MAN in a SUIT and Especially with the Change to a Unguligrade Type of Leg.  You Cant beat Props/Puppets and Stop Motion but its Expensive and Time Consuming.  So then you see the USE of CGI for Full Body Shots and well i thought it was ok but it looked a bit ROPEY at times on the Covenant.

@Chris, thanks it's good to be back and cheers to everyone else as well.

This David thing is perplexing and always has been a point of contention for me after viewing AC. I like parts of AC but as whole I just did not get into the CGI beast.

David figuring out millions of years Engineer tech to me would be like taking people from 25 thousand years ago, with bows and arrows and asking them to reverse engineer a CPU.

I think David is a smart human AI computer; however, there is no way for film makers to make a film truly relatable about such advanced aliens because there really would be no way for us to understand it without all the conventional plot details to make it easy enough for audience members to understand.

I just don't think David could reverse engineer a millions of years old alien AI system. To me I think their code may work faster than the speed of light and at a much smaller scale in hyper-dimensional space....technically places David's limited AI would just not have enough processing power to untangle.

They would also employ different physics and time would most certainly factor in so it may be both physically impossible for David to understand and interact with something that the machine would not let him interact with.

For example, lets say I program a computer and tell it back in time several weeks ago from now "do not let any one access this interface or do not run this code no matter what happens - so no other systems are accessible".

The time scales are just to vast. We might have quantum computers that are very powerful in a hundred years. Engineers at this level of evolution would be able to fold a few trillion universes of code into there systems. It would be beyond anything we could conceive of for many generations of AI....Their AI's would learn too and they would control them. David is depicted as having a quantum qubit computer for a brain; however, his processing power would have arcane limitations compared to the Engineers. They travel faster than the speed of light so their AI computers work faster than the speed of light. This means so many things.

Violating causality presents challenges to David's physical limitations in a specific time line no matter how fast his AI mind might work.

AC is a good looking film overall...I enjoyed the acting. Yet all the parts did not justify the whole for me. After the original Alien it is very hard to recreate that level of uniqueness in so many other films.

Been a while BlackAnt, nice to see you back! There's a lot to unpack in your reply, so let me focus on a couple points that stood out.

The clear dome, eye sockets look to me was way more menacing than no eyes at all! Technically speaking we both conclude the same observation, the Beast had no eyes and such avoided such a vulnerability, as you put. I don't think the clear dome and empty eye sockets of the original 1979 design made the Alien look any less menacing, in fact I find the empty eye socket / skull attribute adds a terrifying aspect to the creature's design.

Regarding David's use of ancient Engineer tech and bypassing their security protocols. Keep in mind, A.I. even at its most primitive stage in our world today can calculate problems many times faster than the organic Human brain. An A.I. as advanced as David would have no trouble assessing, decrypting and cracking any code established by any organic species. He studied the Engineer language and for all we know was able to communicate on a different level with perhaps the Engineer's own local A.I. on LV-223. He was able to exhibit knowledge in decoding Engineer symbols when he led the Weyland team into the Engineer facilities, opening doors and activating hologram recordings. It's not far out to assume David could interpret and interact with alien tech with ease. We also don't know how much pre-screening of Weyland info regarding Engineers David underwent before the Prometheus mission. I'm sure he did some homework.

The Runner design is definitely a great design too and I'll add it to another Poll in the future. This topic was more so only to compare the Alien designs of Alien and Aliens, not the entire lineup of entries in the Xenomorph family.

And finally, although I too was a tad disappointed by Alien: Covenant, it still did the beast plenty of justice and turned it back... somewhat... into the ominous, hard-to-kill antagonist we all remembered, instead of the Canon fodder of Cameron's sequel and Alien: Resurrection.

Well well well.....Did IQ's drop sharply while I was away!!!! Yes the false reports of my death were premature indeed.....no tears were shed for me when I was not here all these long months....sniff sniff sniff sighhhhh......pffffft too!

Anyways lets get to it then LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

So TRIPLE OG Alien 1979? or Different 1986 Alien?

For me I have always and will continue to loath the clear carapace, or head covering that reveals the eye sockets....When I was in the theater and saw the original Alien in 1979 you could not see the eye sockets what so ever....and every time I see "The original Big Chap" with those ridiculous eye sockets I would rather shave my head with a cheese grader and chew on tin foil!!!

So for me and forever I enjoy both monsters equally as long as you cannot see those big silly eye sockets.

For me the Alien was more intriguing and mysterious for the simple fact that it did not need eyes at all to hunt it's prey. Eyes are a vulnerability for something so advanced as a bio-mechanical weapon designed by the engineers, which are millions of years more evolved than humans. So no I hate the clear carapace head piece and always have and always will.

What I despise even more is that supposedly David made the Alien that we see on LV-426? I say supposedly because in a sane world where there would never be preposterous ignorant prequels, there would instead be real movies with writers and producers that have real talent. We have all payed such a high price for the sin conjured up as AC. No I shall not defend this ridiculousness that the original Alien was milked for to the last drop. I drink no more from the chalice of what may have been or what could be. Prometheus was a good looking film with potential....and yet somehow we were all cheated like so much fodder for a quick buck so we could see some slick fast CGI of the engineers and then....David some how mastering millions of years old Alien technology and wiping them all out with their own weapons.....Ok believe that nonsense if you want to; however, in reality that story-line is only believable for the weak minded movie goers. You really believe the Engineers had no security protocols on their technology? Seriously?

If you believe that they did not then I have a slightly used juggernaut to sell if anyone is interested....very low miles of course.

Does anyone see any eyes here.....I don't and millions of other Alien fans did not see the beast with any eyes either. I could post hundreds of other pics but I will not....we all like what we like and that is that!

This is in bronze by the way and no eyes either!