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Because he's a character that we have seen before. I would react in the same way if they brought back Ripley, Vasques, or even Dillon which is an interesting character by the way. Even if he's was an android he was acted as if he was a human although a very human-ish synthetic. Stop recycling things and do something new.

An APC isn't something that is programmed to remind of a human or that can do human things. Your idea works at a surface level but when you think about it a bit more it doesn't. Even machines can be programmed to perform different tasks. An APC isn't something that is programmed to remind of a human or that can do human things, androids in the alien-franchise do.

How is bringing Bishop back a problem?  He's a machine.  One of a particular model.  That sounds like saying 'bringing back an APC is silly because it was blown up in Aliens'.

Everything about this Marvel Alien seems silly, from what I've seen so far. To bring back Bishop is an even worse idea than to bring back Ripley. Not to mention the cat. For some reason it's a black cat. And then there are too many xenomorphs and a nest like in Aliens. And a red paint writing on a window: Alien inside. Inside whom?

I'm curious about one thing only in these comics: what's the name of the cat?

I think that's a bold idea, to get xenomorphs to Iran. The xenomorphs would feel good in the desert, the marines were there before.

I'm interested in the book, it seems well written and, who knows, it could turn into a good film. The sequel to the prequels seems dead anyway. Unfortunately.

I know Ridley Scott likes the desert.

"There is nothing in the desert and no man needs nothing."

Finally something worthy in the Alienverse 

The prequels were good. Alien Covenant is the most similar movie to Alien 1979. You take a big risk when you go down the  micro biological experiment way and you try to explain the unexplainable. I would haver prefered to watch engineers using xenomorphs as a weapon, that already exist on their homeworld. You didn't need to explain the a acid blood . xeno Mutations could occur, depending of the facehugged species. Like Prometheus and alien covenant, you watch um Alien Resurrection lots of experiments to recreate xenomorph soldiers and xeno Queens, and something GOES wrong. There's a moral to the story That everyone knows: when you play God, you cause Destruction and probably your own demise. A circus of horrors full of gruesome is not profitable.

The prequels were good. Alien Covenant is the most similar movie to Alien 1979. You take a big risk when you go down the  micro biological experiment way and you try to explain the unexplainable. I would haver prefered to watch engineers using xenomorphs as a weapon, that already exist on their homeworld. You didn't need to explain the a acid blood . xeno Mutations could occur, depending of the facehugged species. Like Prometheus and alien covenant, you watch um Alien Resurrection lots of experiments to recreate xenomorph soldiers and xeno Queens, and something GOES wrong. There's a moral to the story That everyone knows: when you play God, you cause Destruction and probably your own demise. A circus of horrors full of gruesome is not profitable.

I think the SHIP has Sailed as far as the Story of David and Dr Shaw... i think that there is a STORY to be TOLD but i would NOT expect it to Conflict the OUTCOME that we saw in Alien Covenant.

I would ASSUME its likely that David has the Intention of Destroying the GODs... so that he can then Inherit their Knowledge and know that HE and Dr Shaw would be Guaranteed Safety as WHO KNOWS what the Engineers would have done them.

So i Suspect that David had given Dr Shaw some FAKE STORY about what Happened and that Planet 4 is NOT SAFE as of Yet (Contaminated)

After Weeks, Months of being Barricaded away in the Juggernaught while David finds Food and Water, i can assume she would SUSPECT something is UP/WRONG... for WHY is he gone for Days.... and HOW can he bring Food/Drink if the Planet is Contaminated....

So she maybe Sneaks Out one day and Discovers she can Breathe, and sees the Dead Engineers (which David would have Told About but maybe said they was going to ATTACK) then she Stumbles on his Workshop his Experiments, maybe some Captured Emaciated Females and Children and then David WALKS IN on her.....

Tries to say he is doing all of this for HER so he can Solve how she can have Children.. and so they can START a NEW EDEN..

Dr Shaw likely Rejects and things TURN SOUR!

So YES there could be  STORY between when the Juggernaught had Arrived at Planet 4 to the Point that Dr Shaw had taken her Last Breath and what was then done TO HER.

As i said with the Comic Topic....

The Franchise always has a Market for Comics, Games and Toys/Merchandise.  And Games can give us a bit of FUN if they are done RIGHT.

I think some may want more of a Alien Isolation of other Survival Horror Type Environment... and i think something like that would be GREAT...

But i think that Action Team Based Shooters do Appeal.. and so this could be to the ALIEN FRANCHISE like what the BATTLEFRONT Series was to Star Wars.

@Thoughts_Dreams

This may just be something we NEVER get answers to, but with Games and Comics we may get more Chance of a Explanation than we would on Screen (TV/Movie)

As YES there was a Atheistic Connection between the Space Jockey, Derelict and Xenomorph... with the Engineers we see the Connection still... but seems the Technology is LESS ORGANIC and yet the Beasts are more ORGANIC... its NOT as much a Amalgamation as we saw in ALIEN. (HR Giger).

So there still has to be some Common Connection.... just a case of WHAT/HOW and IF we ever will get any Answers.

To be fair this was to be Expected as Comics are more Popcorn Action anyway... and while it may NOT give us any Deep Story or Back Ground especially those looking to get more Insight into the Engineers... this kind of Popcorn Action has a Market and a Viable and Profitable one for DISNEY.

There was some Original ish Ideas and NEW Directions with the Prequels but a LOT of that stuff just NEVER went down to well and to Further Explore such Directions could be something that SIMPLY would NOT make as Much Money as say seeing a Predator Rock up on a Engineer Installation and go Hunting! etc.

I think that YES as you say Thoughts_Dreams the PLOT of the Prequels could have OPENED UP to many Worlds, Species and Conflicts.. i think this is what Ridley Scott had in Mind... but we would SPLINTER OFF to a Different Direction  that would STEER from the Xenomorph which some Purist may FEEL is NOT what we should be doing.

so maybe trying to make our own Star Trek/Star Wars out of the ALIEN Franchise would be something thats a RISK, that you would then be Compared to TRYING to COPY those Franchises and the Chance of Success could be FAR outweighed by the Chance of Disappointment.

So maybe the Franchise has to STICK to its BASICS..

I think ONCE the Franchise has Ran its NEW COURSE and maybe Cooked the Goose a bit more... maybe then Disney could look at WHAT ELSE they could Explore... but i Suspect they would look to RETCON the Space Jockey.

But for NOW then Disney has to look at what is more Marketable to Fans and Especially the YOUNGSTERS and those who Enjoyed the OLD Comic Era of 90s when they was Younger.

What I wonder is if there is a connection between the Xenos, the Engineers, and the SJ. If you look at the rib cage of the Xenos and the SJ they seem to be similar in look.

Compare those to the chest of the Xeno. I don't say that those are necessarily ties but there could be connections, even though just loosely. These are just thoughts, there might just be a coincidence which means that wasn't the intention.

Can you be more specific? Anything but seems to be a very broad answer. Can you give some example, so I can understand what you would like to see? Using a lot of familiar things isn't the way to go, I agree with that. Something with the Engineers could be interesting or even better introduce new things.

Anything but this.

I'm on the fence, it reminds me a bit of Colonial Marines, which we know was a disaster. But, I'll remain hopeful and optimistic, just need to keep my expectations in check. Would have preferred more of a horror angle though instead of an action-oriented shooter.

Depuis tout petit chacun de nous à certainement eu un personnage des super-héros favoris. Notre enfance a été bercée par ces différents personnages, qui nous ont fait rêver, que ce soit dans les films tout comme dans les bandes comics.

Les figurines n’étant pas seulement des jouets comics pour enfants, même les plus matures et les adultes y sont concernées.
Nousconstatons donc la très grande communauté des fans qui seraient intéressés par ces figurines représentant nos personnages favoris, qui nous auraient marqué d’une manière ou d’une autre.

Your complaint seems to be about relying too much on past things, right? I don't have any dislike against Aliens but I think that it's time to move on. The prequels tried new things but were not successful, but that isn't to say that trying something new in itself is bad.

What would you have liked them to do for you to be interested? I ask this as a person that isn't into expanded universe type things. We all have our likes and dislikes.

I would like to see new species, new worlds, and that, like Star Trek, Star Wars, and The Lord of the Rings tried and why not? Comics can be used for this before you try to throw it into movies. Try to throw other things into it, as long as the central theme and some of the related monsters are there.

Maybe try something with the engineers? Fire and Stone tried this so it can be done. They can try to expand on the engineers and introduce other civilizations that might be in competition with them over something.

Looking at the colors I would say that I don't like that light-blue thing. Keep it in the dark, it works best that way. If that's a sign of how they will do it in the future then they need to go back to the drawing-board. Keep the monsters in the dark, that goes for movies also. We'll see about the rest.

I'm really looking forward to it!

Alien will never be cooked.

To be honest, I'm not very excited for this game to come, because a lot of fans like me have waited for a true Alien: Isolation sequel, not the Blackout mobile and not from Aliens: Colonial Marines. But I hope this will be better than CM, at least. Until then, I will be watching the arrival of the game, which by the way seems to be interesting.

That Marvel Alien is like a tasteless hotchpotch of poorly mixed alien leftovers, I can hardly think of something more uninspiring. 

It seems the end is nearer than ever.

Shaw came to life and set out to destroy humanity?

I might check this out.

There are a bunch of drones and xenomorph warriors there. There is also the runner alien, Hammerpede, and the covenant xenomorphs evident.

And then there's this.

Damn I haven't seen this movie in forever since the 90's when I was a little kid! I think this was my first Lance Henriksen movie (or was it Terminator?) before I watched Aliens and the TV show Millennium 

I’d not heard of this movie, so I googled it and found this video trailer.

20 seconds in, there’s a string of 8 notes that occur in the “Life” theme of Prometheus. That’s too much of a coincidence to be pure chance.

Marc Streitenfeld composed most of the score for Prometheus, but the “Life” track, which is most closely associated with the movie, was composed by Harry Gregson-Williams. Most likely Harry saw Survival Quest at some point, and the notes stuck in his head somewhere.

It wouldn’t be anything to do with Ridley Scott giving a nod to the Survival Quest movie, though. It doesn’t look like a great movie to me.

"AND NOBODY ASKS WTF IS GOING ON HERE AND WHY THERE SEEMS TO BE A (now extinct) THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD HUMAN CIVILIZATION ON THIS PLANET)"

Its a Good Point, it is STRANGE that No-One Questioned this Especially ORAM... However i think a BIG Problem with AC was they was trying to FIT so much in a 2 Hour Movie and so a LOT of stuff could NOT have been Explained or Fitted in.   The Movie Needed another 40 min to Explain some Parts.. and give more Coverage to Certain things... and so YES a lot had to be Sacrificed.

As far as Version/Beginning A) or B) i think that BOTH are Valid and Interesting ways to have EXPANDED on the Franchise/Agenda and History of the Engineers ;)

@Nathan

I think its a Good Point the Engineers did seem to be RUNNING from something, we Certainly see they was ATTEMPTING to get to the Big Head Room for some Reason, and some of the Engineer were looking over their Shoulders.  With the Sound that we heard we could ASSUME this was something like the Deacon.

I think we have to look at what the Black Goo was seen doing, which would be that it seemed to MUTATE LIFE to take on some Xenomorph/Deacon Traits... could they had been Running from something like a Engineer Fifield?  Could one of the Docked Ships had some Organism on board?

The other thing we see Happen is the Goo BREAKS down a Infected Person into Essentially Soup/Particles.  We see the Engineer BODY was HOLLOW.. some others Appeared as so too...  The HEAD however was Preserved and MAYBE something in the Big Head Room has a WAY of HALTING the Pathogen....

We also CANT be 100% sure of TWO things..

1) That a Deacon requires infected Sperm or simply the Pathogenic Worms to Infect a Female Egg Cell or just Needs the Womb to Gestate. Or if the Pathogenic Worms can Gestate in a Engineer and Produce a Slightly Different Deacon than Dr Shaws Trilobite... maybe the Infection  just Creates a Deacon-like Beast in the Engineers like how the Neomorph Spores behaved.

2) The Hammerpedes have NOT been encountered before and have some way to Procreate in a Host, this would GIVE a Good Reason for WHY it attacked Milburn in such a WAY and could be  GOOD REASON for WHY we have Chest Busted Engineer Cryo-Pods.

The Engineer could have tried to Resist for a Number of Reasons, such as ONLY a Few are Selected to Sacrifice to Create the Horrors on LV-223, or he could have been ONE who had Sabotaged LV-223 but the easiest way to look at it is that he HAD to Fight Off the Trilobite so that he could Continue with his Plan to GO TO EARTH after he gets his hands on Dr Shaw First.

"dark angels" of the book of Enoch, creating a twisted version of Biblical sacrifice and resurrection"

Something like what you Put in that Paragraph could WORK as for what is going on ;)

Aliens is one of my favorite movies of all time.

Alien3 doesn’t come close. The special effects with certain alien scenes looked really bad. I liked the movie, but it’s nowhere near as good as Aliens.

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I loved this movie. My only disappointment being that it wan't scary.

I randomly came across this movie (yes 3 years after you posted this,) came to the same conclusion and Googled it, just to find myself here, with the only other person online to make this connection. The theme from Prometheus is absolutely lifted from Survival Quest. Oddly both Lance Henriksen and Mark Rolston were also in Aliens, so it might just be Ridley Scott's nod to Don Coscarelli. 

In my humble opinion RS has ruined his revival-attempts of the Alien Universe with Alien: Covenant. It was just to confusing, it added more questions while answering no questions from Prometheus and it was just implausible (the Covenant Crew lands on an exoplanet, finds a forsaken city filled with humanoid corpses, enters some kind of cathedral with human-looking stone heads AND NOBODY ASKS WTF IS GOING ON HERE AND WHY THERE SEEMS TO BE A (now extinct) THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD HUMAN CIVILIZATION ON THIS PLANET). My suspension of disbelieve just couldn't handle it...

After Prometheus (before AC ruined it) I was thinking about similar things like you. You have the Engineers: Maybe you hint about something/someone that has created them but you need not answer who, how and why; maybe keep it a secret or maybe just say, that the Engineers evolved naturally. BUT YOU NEED TO KEEP THE ALIEN A MYSTERY, A LOVECRAFTIAN THING FROM NOWHERE AND NOWHEN - THE PERSONIFIED COSMIC HORROR. The perfect story would have been something like this (there are two versions/beginnings which lead to the same point; I like both of them so I will present both):

Version/Beginning A) The Engineers' civilization awakens. They have found clues on their homeworld that they were created by something/someone now gone: the Progenitors. They revear these unknown beings, found a religion upon this insight and become very religious. They develop FTL spacetravel. They set out to find their creators but even after thousands of years they cannot find them. They seem to have vanished without a trace. So they then start to honor them by doing alike: Flying through the universe, terraforming planets and seeding them with life, teaching their creations the Engineers' ways, hoping that they fulfill the Progenitors will and that they would approve of the Engineers deeds.

Version/Beginning B) The Engineers have evolved naturally. They fly through the univers for thousands of years, searching for life but never finding any trace of life. They conclude that they're the only life in the universe and that their emergance is nothing short of a miracle - maybe "god's will". They think that life itself is what's to be revered (and because they are the only living beings in the universe, they mean themselfs are to be reveared). So they set out on their religious mission to seed the universe with life.

Choose which beginning you like most, now they come to the same point: The Enginners are seeding the universe for generation after generation. But then, on that one fateful day, for the first time in their tens of thousands of years ongoing religious mission, they find a planet with life on it! And not only that: These lifeforms obviously are superiour even to the Engineers themselfs!!! They find the (original version of the) Xenomorph. You may hint now at the fact that they also have been created or you leave that up for debate. Anyways, the Engineers, whom revear life itself, realize that they have made a mistake. They have seeded thousands of worlds with life in their own image but now they find this superior species. Actually THESE BEINGS would have deserved to be spread throughout the universe, not the Engineer's homeworld's flora and fauna.

So the Engineers conclude that they would now have to do the obvious thing: They would have to do justice to this lifeform by speading it too throughout the universe. So the Engineers take these specimens to one their seeded planets after another, setting them out there, letting the two faunas compete for natual selection would undoubtfully show which lifeform would prevail. And sure enough, on every single one of these planets the Xenomorph fauna takes over.

So the engineers now conclude that they would have to do the final step: Once they would have been done, once they would have infected the last one of their seeded planets, they themselfs would no longer have the right to rule over this species for it is superior to the Engineers. They would have to merge with the Xenomorphs; include Xenomorph DNA into their own DNA - the next step of evolution: a great convergence.

So while they are infecting one planet after the other, they start to incoprorate Xenomorph DNA into their own DNA - maybe these are the Engineers we see on LV 223. And sure enough maybe there forms a faction amont the Engineers that doesn't want to take part in this convergence - maybe these are the Planet 4 Engineers for their whole appearance and culture seems to have no biomechanical elements at all. Maybe they are the ones who sabotaged the installation on LV 223. Maybe they are the ones who created life on earth, keeping it a secret from the convergence faction. Maybe ca. 2000 years ago the convergence faction finds out about earth. This would be an explanation for the fact that despite the Engineers on LV 223 planning to head towards earth 2000 years ago, earth was visited by Engineers afterwards (in Prometheus you can see that in 620 CE the Mayans were visited). So there HAVE TO BE at least two factions: one benevolent and one hostile towards mankind - although the latter one would not be actually hostile in my story but rather they would be convinced that humanity too WOULD HAVE TO take part in the great convergence. So they would argue that they would do mankind a favor by uplifting it to the next step in evolution; they, in a perverse way, are also "benevolent" towards mankind.

I know that this story doesn't fit everything we've seen in Prometheus and AC but like I said I think this should have been the path RS should have chosen. Making David the creator of the Xenomorph is a catastrophy for it robs the Xenomorph of its strangeness AND ALIENNESS.

Thanks for reading :)

Free for all 5: Friday The 13th V: The New beginning. Not actually Jason.

Not bad grounds for research. Mainly I had to point out what is still the most reviled Alien film (I'm a fan personally) that isn't called Requiem has this bizarre and obviously unintentional legacy of coming up with some go for broke ideas before others did. I like Resurrection. Salvation and Jurassic World are OK at best. The Matrix 4 could go with way. Maybe Resurrection influenced that bizarre and pointless clone plot line in Fallen Kingdom too...

Instead of humor, it may actually be the perfect ground for research.

First, I will say that exceptions are everywhere, but in most cases you can see the similarities and highlight the rule.

1) OG. First parts of films. Perhaps these are not ideal films, but they are made with all possible soul, because the creators did not know - will there be an opportunity to make a sequel? They also have a complete plot and idea. Expamples: Alien, Terminator, Jurassic Park, Matrix, Robocop; or, if we take franchises that are measured not by individual films, but by whole triquels - Star Wars Original Trilogy, Lord of the Rings trilogy (part of middle-earth franchise).

2) Sequels. In general, they don't have to be sequels, they can be prequels or sidequels. In any case, they are made right after the OG. Typically, these films are more ambitious, bloated and polished. Perhaps they lose a piece of the author's enthusiasm or atmosphere for the sake of the box office. They may be "softer" compared to the originals, but that does not make them worse overall. Examples: Aliens, Terminator 2, Jurassic Park 2, Matrix 2, Robocop 2; or Star Wars Prequel Trilogy and Hobbit trilogy.

3) Triquels. These are perhaps the weakest films in the franchises. Everyone has known this for a long time. The reasons for this: running out of ideas or laziness and the desire for easy money on a popular name. Very often these films destroy everything that was created before them and, in general, can ruin the franchise. Of course, there are exceptions, but they are rare. Examples: Alien 3, Terminator 3, Jurassic Park 3, Matrix 3, Robocop 3, Halloween 3; and, of course, Star Wars Sequel Trilogy.

4) The fourth films are very often really a new beginning, resurrection, rebirth, reboot - call it what you want. Sometimes these films try to continue the triquels, sometimes they try to cancel them. Sometimes they come out good, sometimes they don't. Unlike the mostly bad triquels, the fourths can be called "dubious". Examples: Alien: Resurrection, Terminator: Salvation, Robocop reboot, Jurassic World, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Tremors 4; possibly Matrix 4.

5) Fifths of the films are free fall territory. You can expect anything. Good things, bad things. New ideas, old ideas. Continuation or reboot. Quality also defies calculation. Examples: Prometheus, Terminator: Genisys, Jurassic Word 2, Tremors 5.

There's a lot of potential to tell something great between David and Shaw. I doubt we'll ever see it though.

@Thoughts_Dreams

My Topic you tried to Comment on has been FIXED NOW.. I will respond in time ;)

Going back to the OT...

Then i think that INDEED the Prequels have NOT gone down to well for the Most Part and Certainly with the Revelations of Alien Covenant, the kind of Set-up it leaves and the things it had to Sacrifice/Brush under the Carpet.

It appears that Disney and co want to get back to Basics and TRY to resurrect what they FELT made the ALIEN Franchise what it was... and i do Suspect that means anything relating to the Derelict Mystery and Space Jockey would be LEFT ALONE.

So i think they are looking that you have to have the Franchise about the ALIEN aka Xenomorph, its a Question of HOW they are going to Proceed....

Blomkamps Alien 5 and Hill/Giler Alien V both seem to be a Retcon of Alien 3 by becoming Alternative Alien 3.....maybe the Hill/Giler one could even had removed Aliens but i doubt it as that would cause a UPROAR!

I think there are other ways you could BRING the Xenomorph back, i do think that IF you stick with how it was then i just cant see them PULLING OFF say 2-3 Movies without the Beast becoming Stagnant... unless the PLOT can Uplift them or be a Path to something else.... but i am NOT sure we may see any Set-Up to bring back the Engineers... but who knows..

I think down the LINE we will see a Retcon of the History and Origins compared to what the Prequels had shown...

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@Thoughts_Dreams

I mean Anchor as in like the Basis of a Story and so sometimes Certain Themes are what become the Basis of the Story... maybe i used the Wrong choice of Word ;)

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"This isn't to say that we need to go back there because maybe those things exist in other places?"

I think when we had Prometheus then THIS was what was opened up....   Surely the Engineers had NEVER been working on stuff on LV-223 and at the First Attempt to LOAD UP to go off to Earth they suffered a Outbreak?

If they had Seeded Mankind across the Galaxy or similar Species, maybe 2000+ Years ago they AIMED to NOT only attack Earth but other Worlds?

So i am saying maybe we cant ASSUME that they had NOT managed to Successfully Deploy the Goo on other Worlds.

I think also Regardless WHO Created and WHEN those Eggs where Placed on the Derelict, can we ASSUME the Derelict was the ONLY such Ship with that Cargo?  Maybe there could be others?  What becomes of a WORLD that the Xenomorph has been Successfully Deployed to... HOW MANY years would it take for them to Evolve, or once their Limited Life Span is UP then all that remains is EGGS?

Also i think with Alien Engineers it was indicated the Engineers had created Many Variants of Xenomorph and the  Ship had Numerous Cargo Holds and Each had a Different Variant.

In Prometheus we saw the Effects of the Black Goo, the PAY OFF and Money Shot was the Deacon at the End which did seem to look like the Mural.  The Fresco Creature also looked DIFFERENT....

And so i dont think we can ASSUME say that Every Complex on LV-223 has the Exact Same Goo, and that each Complex has the same Mural and the same kind of Experiments.

I agree that AC was a mistake with David as the Creator of the Xenomorph, and even if he Created something else i think again some Fans would NOT be interested in a Prequel Series that PUTS him at the Center... if they also went that route you would have some Fans who maybe would expect some Answers to LV-426.

But those kinds of things could have been LOOSELY answered in other ways... but ALAS.

I think the Main Hope for a Sequel was to Explore the Engineers more and OPEN the Door to expand with them and other Worlds/Creations... but it seems that DOOR is somewhat SHUT with AC.... and the Story has Written itself into a Corner...

I hate to have to admit this but in Hindsight the Prequels were a MISTAKE... you should keep the Space Jockey and Derelict a Mystery.... because when you Choose to Explore those things, your NEVER going to Answer them to what EVERY FAN had Imagined or Wanted to see.

However if we went back to 2009 and they Scrapped doing a Prequel.... and so we would NEVER go and Answer the Origins or at least HOW/WHY the Space Jockey had those EGGS...

Then it would have been a case of WHERE would you have taken the Franchise without Conflicts in light of Alien Resurrection?  (WHY do they end up Clone Ripley to obtain a Specimen 200 Years latter... surely that means after ALIENS then Humanity could Discover NO others).

BD:

I couldn't reply to the topic that you linked to so I write it here.

You have the prisoners in Alien 3, what if we have an episode or a TV-series where WY has taken over big parts of

1. the juridical system. This doesn't need to include the Xenomorph at all.

The thought of it would be like this:

Alien ―> Alien 3 with prison and WY ―> Prison corporate owners expands to ―> a world where corporations to a large extent write the laws, put it into ―> alien franchise and see what you'll get.

Maybe you could see some meetings of the WY but you'll never see those that are at the top. You could maybe see the doors of their rooms and the names but you never seem them, while things happen behind closed doors that affect us all. They become like shadows that you see but you never see the person.

1. More about the marines and what they do, maybe they have been involved in other things than just what we saw in Aliens? What if they are contracted when they are needed so they get to work for both private and government owned organizations.

1. Have a Engineers based episode, a bit about their society, religion, governments, DNA-mixing. Who knows whart kind of society, warfare, religion, government strutcture that they have. You can have about digfferent parts of them in different episodes.

1. Androids and what role that they play, maybe in Weyland company or Yutani. Maybe there is a new company that is on the rise that rivals them? You can have androids in corporate espionage, warfare, and so on. The human journey and how it affects us must be in the center of it, it isn't about the androids per se but they have an important part. There has got to be a balance, something that AC failed with.

1. More into detail of how aspace colony would work, think Hadley's hope and go from there. We saw bits of it but maybe go a bit more into details about how these colonies are established. Who runs it, how that organization is, how decisions are made where to build them, and so on. You don't have to use Hadley's hope or WY but keep it in mind and go from there.

I would like to see new worlds and new civilizations kind of like Star Trek or Star Wars. Not to say that Alien will ever be that that large but you can look for inspiration.

BD

What do you mean when you say the anchor of the story? Not sure what that means. Call was interesting and how autons could work, but she wasn’t that well written although. Ryder is a good actress, but the material wasn’t good. Yup alien 3 was the last good alien movie, the rest have just had interesting parts in them and although they shouldn’t be ignored that isn’t enough.

Yes the Xenomorph has been show often, but that doesn’t mean that it’s alright for David to make a better version. I am one of those fans that would react with a “F that!”. You are right though when you say that the Xeno has been shown very often so they should have different monsters and just let the Xeno-creature have a cameo but didn’t they ruin that with Alien Covenant though? Having it being killed that easily on the crane was lame, it was like Scott just threw it in there so it was disrespectful. Maybe if that was a Xeno at the crane then maybe that wasn’t a perfect Xenomorph but that the Engineers could take parts of that and make a better version like a Xeno 2.0, I could accept that. When David said that he made the perfect organism bla bla bla, I guess that he was delusional. I dislike the idea of him creating the ultimate creature so I try to save the story by thinking that.

I am not interested in David, I would like to see what experiments that the Engineers did or at least some of them. Maybe they tried to show that via David but it isn't the same thing if it's told by a crazy robot/android because it's not that interesting by going that route. Seeing the science-labs and weapon-making by the Engineers would have been awesome or at least let us see some of it, being hinted at.

Seeing more of the things from LV-223 could have been interesting. This isn't to say that we need to go back there because maybe those things exist in other places? Janek said something about a military installation and even though it was just a guess by him it could hint at the possibility that they have those things on other planets. By bringing in the Engineers they open up the franchise so who knows how far they are spread. Planet 4 probably isn't the only place where they exist or at least shouldn't from a story point of view.

The horrors of mankind and the Xeno, we kind of saw that in Alien Resurrection. I’m not sure if I’m that interested in having a movie about that. Bringing David into that is bad enough (and also AR) so don't make it worse. Having suggestions is fine but not all of them are good.

Maybe you don’t need to have many ties to the Xeno? You could have some to make people see how they connect, like better than Prometheus but not as much as in the rest.

Alien as in unknown and with some ties to the Xeno could maybe work. It’s about bringing the mystery back and I think that the Engineers did that to an extent. Both the SJ and the Xeno are interesting. To me the Xeno came from some unknown part of the universe, that’s what made it interesting.

“... you can EXPAND the ALIEN Franchise to be about ALIEN WORLDS and Encounters that Do-Not have to be about our Standard Xenomorphs.”

I totally agree, I just don't think that they have made a good job with the prequels. The environments are interesting but there is so much else that just isn't. I have never considered you disliking the Xeno but I understand what you say about showing it too much, I agree with that.

“so you would maybe have to be CAREFUL as to HOW FAR you Steer Away from the Space Jockey from ALIEN.”

Yeah, but there could be a balance it’s just that they got to find out what that balance is. I think that the Engineers and Space-Jockey connection was a good start as an idea it’s just that Prometheus lacked in other ways. Making it about David was bad because they kind of ruined many things.

The space-pirate thing that was in Resurrection is something that you could bring back. I like the idea but not how it was executed in Alien Resurrection. Maybe if you have better writing and a better execution then it could work.

Maybe they could have the Xeno as a cameo, but not more than that.

I think that they can develop the black good into something interesting.This is something that the prequels did right although AC messed it up a bit. You got to add new things otherwise it gets stale I agree with Scott there it’s just that he added things that were meh (at least the David story).

Going back to new ideas and new stories might not a be bad because the prequels became what they did. I would like to see new monsters, more about the Engineers, new life-forms (humanoid or not) look at Star Wars for example although it can't be as big. You can probably not make it as financially big but you can introduce more planet and life-forms.