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"It's Alien franchise. And the xenomorph is a star. You can add WY, AI, Engineers, Neomorphs, whatever - in the corners, but the Alien always will be in the center."

I think that is HOW that MOST will see it, you CANT have a ALIEN Movie without the Alien!  Which some but NOT all Fans had a Gripe with Prometheus over, the Studio seemed to think that MAYBE it was a Mistake for Prometheus to NOT have the Xenomorph but then Prometheus had EVOLVED to something that was to NOT be a Direct ALIEN Movie.

So onto your VALID point

" the BIGGEST Problem is getting FOLK to look at the Godzilla Franchise as being something that you DONT have to have Godzilla in"

I think its a Good Point but i think the ALIEN Franchise had became a Little Different once we looked at the Prequels.  As Certainly you cant have a Godzilla Movie without Godzilla as HE/SHE is the MAIN Focus of said Franchise.

With ALIEN it was the Xenomorph and Ripley, but we kind of Concluded with her STORY (Ripley) and after the AVP Movies you had to ASK.... so WHAT is NEXT for the Xenomorph, have we seen enough Face Hugging, Chest Busting and Snarling?

With the Prequels they Started to Explore the Origins of the Xenomorph but it was MORE about a Introduction to the Engineers/Space Jockey by the Time we got to Shooting with Prometheus the Xenomorph and Connections were Removed...

What we had NOW been shown is those Eggs on LV-426 were the Result of Experiments by the Engineers to Create a Biological Weapon.  Which with the U-Turn of Alien Covenant was that they was a Creation of a Bored/Lonely Robot with Daddy Issues...

When you look back at the ALIEN Franchise it then becomes more about WHAT/WHY the Company wants such a Horrific Monster and WHY/WHAT the Engineers were doing related to its Predecessor/Origins.

ALIEN was about the Unknown and Alien Worlds and i think the Space Jockey held more SCOPE to Explore than just to have said done a ALIEN V instead of say Prometheus because its HOW OFTEN can you keep going back to and being about the Xenomorph as its Portrayed as you run the RISK of getting a STARSHIP TROOPERS or ALIEN/SPACE Jason Voorhees

So i was merely looking at HOW the ALIEN Franchise can EXPAND to be about more than ONE ALIEN via the Engineers Plot.... you have HUGE Potential, also ALIEN to some was the Encounter of Humanity with a ALIEN THREAT that we are NOT prepared for.... and that Space Exploration has its Perils...

I just dont think you can get much more out of those Nasty Face Hugging Critters... but that does-not mean they should be DONE for Good, i just cant see them taking Center Stage for say another 3-4 Movies.  Maybe you could if its done RIGHT?  But i feel there is SOO MUCH more to the Franchise to be Explored than to Stick all your Eggs in ONE Basket so to Speak.

But thats just my Opinion it does-not mean that i am right ;)

BD: There is a problem if the themes become more important than the story and characters. Star Wars would have been the same if they had put the same things as friendship, loyalty and that in front and ignored how Luke, Leia, and all of them would have been written. Fortunate for us they knew how to make both the story and characters.

Unfortunately Lucas went into what he wasn't good at when it came to the Star Wars prequels, he had too much of a say like Scott with the prequels. It seems to me that Raised By Wolves has the same problem, interesting themes, poorly made characters. I haven't got any interest in watching RBW but people can do that if they want to. Personally I don't give a damn about the themes if the story is so-and-so and most of the characters are lame. There are people that can care about the themes even if the characters and story are less good but I'm not one of those.

Having David making his own version would have been alright. Another problem is that the prequels became too much about him which is something that I have a big problem with. Seeing an Ultramorph on the screen could have been interesting but wouldn't it have made the original Xeno look lame if it had been bigger and more deadly? In case they would have made it then they need to have some reason why the Xeno would be the perfect organism is the Ultra morph is bigger and deadlier. David could have made a lesser and more boring version like a small and harmless snake compared to a huge and deadly one. Not interested in David that's why I think that he should do a lesser version. A lesser version from a character that I don't have a huge interest in the way that it is now. David could work but then you need to have better human characters and less time dedicated to the android.

Not interested in the Blomkamp-movie, I can't see how you can improve Alien 3. It seems to me that those that support that are those that would have preferred to have Aliens as the last one or those that wish that Alien 3 would have been more like Aliens. We already have Aliens and also I think that Alien 3 was a good way to end the Ripley-adventures. The alien-universe is not very positive, don't give us a movie in Alien with a happy family-motif because it would be lame.

Blomkamp and Alien, I’m not sure if it was just about the Xenomorph, I think that they were let down by Prometheus because of lame characters. Maybe a too small Xeno-connection in Prometheus was one of the reasons but it suffered more from lame characters and maybe they thought that an Alien 5 would fix that. Shaw was a problem, for people to care for her they got to get the introduction right, but unfortunately she was too annoying and stupid. Having more human characters isn't a problem in itself because Aliens had more of them compared to Alien, right? The thing is to get enough well-written important characters like Aliens did. Maybe that movie is an exception, but even Alien Ore was alright in that aspect even though it was a short-film.

I agree BigDave. If the inner voice is words you are thinking, words you are in control of its just normal internal thinking and coping mechanisms. The minds way of processing stimuli.

I imagine those without that inner voice would operate more on an instinctive level rather than via cognitive processing?

Quicker and more efficient certainly  

I also agree that the TV series format may be the best option for future "Alien" franchise stories.

In reality, that almost applies to any and all franchise level properties. The TV series format just offers so many advantages now. The technology is advanced enough now that the effects and overall production quality are close enough to cinema quality, so there's no dramatic loss in that aspect.

And just as important, if not more, the TV series format allows for the stories and characters to be far more fully developed, and thus, much more satisfying and engaging for audiences.

That's one of the biggest problems with most franchise movies... they try to stuff too much content and fluff into the 2 hour film format. And therefore, they end up with shallow, weak, poorly fleshed out characters and stories.

Heck, George Lucas himself was, and is, guilty of losing his original perspective and understanding of what made the "Star Wars" stories great. He was NEVER good with dialogue, and he was never good at directing actors. In the original trilogy, he made the wise choice to hire other directors and writers, while he focused on his forte... which was providing the vision, the basic storyline, and overseeing the effects and production aspects.

So when he decided to take on all of those duties for the prequel trilogy... crash!... he basically wrecked them. He insisted on his poor dialogue, he insisted on his choices of casting, and he directed the films. Instead of doing what he did best... he tried to do it all... even the things he was NOT good at.

And look what happened... the prequel trilogy is widely considered as vastly inferior, and is even considered unworthy of the "Star Wars" franchise by many.

Anyhow, my point is that even as Lucas himself lost touch with what worked best for "Star Wars", Ridley also seems to have lost touch with what worked best for "Alien". 

Now, maybe that's because they returned to those projects when they were so much older, and maybe their sensibilities and their mindsets had changed dramatically during that time. Or maybe they just didn't care as much about those particular details. Whatever the case... they have both dropped the ball, in terms of the overall quality of stories and character development, of their respective franchises.

But, as I was saying, even though the TV series format is showing to be the best medium for these types of franchises and stories now... what is also being proven, by Favreau and Filoni with "The Mandalorian", is that it STILL takes the right people, with the right mindsets, and with the right sensibilities.

That is THE most important thing.

Lucas and Ridley would not have had success just because they used the TV series medium instead of the cinema format. They faltered because of their ideas, and because of their choices.

So again, that's why I'm making the case about the franchises just needing to be in the right hands, with the right leaders.

Favreau and Filoni have done a masterful job, and they've given "Star Wars" back to the fans again, along with so much hope for the future. Hell, even Mark Hamill and so many of the other actors are reacting so positively to it... it's amazing, and beautiful.

So there's no reason why the "Alien" franchise couldn't benefit from the same type of thing. It just needs to be put in the right hands, it needs the right leaders.

"This is the way"

>>>but the BIGGEST Problem is getting FOLK to look at the ALIEN Franchise as being something that you DONT have to have Xenomorphs in.

No. It's not a problem. The problem arises when such ideas start to gain the upper hand over story.

One smart man once said: "The story must manage ideas, not vice versa."

This problem is artificial, created by unnatural forced ideas. And if the plot does not satisfy the ideas, then it will collapse, just to satisfy the embodiment of ideas.

It's Alien franchise. And the xenomorph is a star. You can add WY, AI, Engineers, Neomorphs, whatever - in the corners, but the Alien always will be in the center.

It is not an Alien - whatever you want alien's life form. No. It is the Alien - specific and unique character.

Or... I can give you a couple of absurd examples:

- the BIGGEST Problem is getting FOLK to look at the Godzilla Franchise as being something that you DONT have to have Godzilla in

- the BIGGEST Problem is getting FOLK to look at the 007 Franchise as being something that you DONT have to have James Bond in

I think it comes down to a Sub-Conscious thinking to yourself that you are in Control of, compared to a Inner Voice that seems Totally Independent i think we are all Different and so we may have Different Levels of what we could call Interaction with a Inner Voice.

So it would NOT really mean we have to be Concerned about some Mental Illness or the Potential of ;)

I think for some of us then we have moments where we THINK about a Situation and we kind of have that Inner Voice that would be saying... thats a BAD IDEA and another that then goes like GO FOR IT lol

But we should ONLY be Concerned if such Voices seem to have Independent Thought or if you dont realize its your Sub-Conscious and you think its someone ELSE ;)

This is what I've read. It's apparently common to have a voice that talks to you. I presume you hear such words in your head, BigDave? As, I presume, do many others.

As for myself, if I started hearing myself talking to me, I'd go into a blind panic! What other personalities could be lurking in there waiting to speak?

Sure, I reflect on matters and think about what I should be doing. But I don't have a short-circuit in my brain where thoughts get turned into words that only I can hear.

I can imagine in my mind's eye things I've seen (or never seen), and I can trot through every single note of long pieces of music in my mind. But I don't really see or hear them.

I think its Common that we have a Inner Voice that talks to us, as far as our Sub-conscious talking to us... its Part of our Thinking Process...

There is NO-HARM in that unless the Voice we hear and talk to is something that we DONT realize is our-self lol

 "What makes me annoyed is to have David as the creator because it takes a dump on the franchise"

Well i think it fits in PERFECTLY with the Theme that was at PLAY... about the Hubris of Playing God and Sub-creating something Superior.....  HOWEVER as i have said this THEME could have worked if David had Created something that was Different but Similar a ULTRAMORPH if you would.

Regarding Blomkamp i dont really Blame him as per say..... but the Timing of his LEAK of his Idea with Miss Weaver backing it... did STIR UP a lot of Interest from Fans who FELT that ALIEN 3 was in-just and those who wanted to see Xenomorphs again....

I think the Interest and Anticipation for his Project had some ROLE in FOX thinking.... so WE HAVE to go and Introduce the Xenomorph again!

So i think the Reaction by some of the Fans to WHAT could have been with ALIEN V instead of a Prometheus 2 where Fans would ASSUME we be getting NO ANSWERS to the Xenomorph and LV-426, and No Xenomorphs and to Follow what David and Dr Shaw get up... was something that i think a LOT of Fans were just NOT that keen on... or so FOX would Assume.

ALIEN COVENANT was a Massive Mistake!

You could see WHY it became what it was.... when your making a Continuation to Prometheus/Themes of that Movie and that IT HAS to Conclude with the Xenomorph Origins and you HAVE to introduce more Humans then it kind of WROTE itself into a Corner.

In Order to SHOE-HORN a Plot like AC then some things had to be Sacrificed and it seems what got Sacrificed is a LOT of what a Prometheus 2 may have become.

"So many interesting things that just got thrown to the side"

Certainly i dont think we will EVER go back to some of that stuff, i think the ONLY way we would see the Engineers would be Basically like we see the Predators, in Technologically Advanced 7-8ft Brutes who have LITTLE or Nothing to say and only want OUR BLOOD.

Firstly Welcome aboard..... Great Points.

" I have pretty much lost faith in Ridley Scott and his ability to create a solid and rich story."

I think he had a Certain Vision of where he wanted to take us, but with such  BOLD PLOT it is something that is something thats HARD to do any Justice.  They had a DIFFICULT time in trying to come up with a Continuation Story and PLOT that would STEER AWAY from ALIEN.  When you are going to EXPAND on the Franchise via the Engineers and the Context of the Broad Plot then there really is MANY ways this could Evolve but its just so Difficult in deciding HOW you can Incorporate this while NOT go and Conflict with the Time-Line of ALIEN/ALIENS etc...

Either himself and his Writing Team could NOT think outside the BOX, or they had done and FOX were not so keen on what they Presented. We really are in the DARK on this Unless any of the Drafts between 2013-2014 Surface.

"he's constantly shifting and conforming to "outside" influences and parameters"

I Certainly think this plays a PART... and so to a degree he is a YES MAN but this is the Case with Hollywood... if he had a IDEA he wanted to FORCE and the Studio are NOT interested and want say XENOMORPHS... then RS would have to make some Concessions because if he said "look if we are going to directly have to CONNECT to Alien and bring back the F-in Alien then i am OUT!" but this is what the STUDIO wants they could just as easily go and bring in someone else to WORK on the Project.

And so i think RS was willing to make some Sacrifices to his Vision so that he can STILL be involved.

I think The Mandalorian has been a Breath of Fresh Air as far as the STAR WARS Franchise, but we have to remember their is more MEAT on the Bones of that Franchise.....

And YES there could be with the ALIEN Franchise if NOT even more so with what Prometheus has set up... but the BIGGEST Problem is getting FOLK to look at the ALIEN Franchise as being something that you DONT have to have Xenomorphs in.

Its Catch 22 because the Xenomorph is what the Franchise has been Synonymous with... with STAR WARS i think the Fans can think of MANY things the Franchise is about and Contains but with ALIEN then most people only really Associate the Xenomorph, Queen, Ripley and the Marines.

I think a TV Series is the way to go..... it would be Interesting to see what becomes of the NEW ALIEN Series, but as far as EXPANDED TV Franchise there are more OPTIONS than just to go back to the ALIEN.

Throughout the years since Prometheus came out, so many fans have posted in these forums about their thoughts, their opinions, and their desires and hopes for the new movies. And although there have been some very intriguing elements in the first 2 films... the sad fact remains that so, so many of us have been hugely disappointed overall with them. (for many various and valid reasons)

I must admit, after Alien Covenant, I have pretty much lost faith in Ridley Scott and his ability to create a solid and rich story. He's just been so all over the place with his opinions, ideas, and decisions. And I think that's probably the main reason why the 2 films turned out so poorly. I honestly don't think HE even knew exactly where he wanted to go with them, or exactly where he wants to go from this point. His wishy-washy attitude and position has hurt the story and prevented it from having a solid foundation. Plus, he's allowed himself to be frustrated, guided, and motivated by the "suits", and the "critics". And that's a terrible place to be as a creative artist. Not only does he not know what he wants, he's constantly shifting and conforming to "outside" influences and parameters, in terms of the story's emphasis and direction.

Personally, I loved the basic premise of "Prometheus" in terms of the engineers and that storyline. However, I think the poor character development, the terrible dialogue, and the poor execution of so many scenes really ruined what otherwise, could have been a very good film. And the same goes for "Alien Covenant", although for some entirely different reasons.

With all of that said, and with all of the threads and posts over the years, and with all of the articles, reviews, and whatnot... all is not lost.

The recent resurrection and the resurgence of hope of the "Star Wars" franchise is due to one thing... "The Mandalorian" series. 

The seemingly infallible "Star Wars" franchise had taken some serious blows and had lost major support from fans after the disappointing sequel films. Kathleen Kennedy and Disney had taken over "Star Wars", but they didn't truly understand the "recipe" of what made the franchise so great. Along came John Favreau and Dave Filoni, they are true, old school "Star Wars" fans. They understand the lore, the history, and the elements that made the franchise great. So not only did they know how to pay homage to those things, they also knew how to continue to tell stories using that same framework. They didn't just copy the "recipe", they understood it.

The finale of season 2 of "The Mandalorian" may go down as one of the most important moments in the history of the "Star Wars" franchise. What they accomplished in that finale, and with the overall series is truly phenomenal. Old fans, new fans, men, women, children... in tears. Older fans stating that they haven't experienced this kind of "Star Wars" since 1983. 

They did it right. They created a new story... but they stayed true to what the heart of franchise was all about. And that proves to Disney, and to the world... that it just takes the right people, with the right mindsets... to continue the stories.

And this is similar to the "Alien" franchise. Ridley Scott seems to have lost touch with what made the original 2 movies so great. He's forgotten his passion and conviction from the original story. He brought in writers who respected the franchise, but perhaps weren't the right people for the job. The "Alien" franchise needs it's own "Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni". It needs people who are not just old school, die-hard fans, but who also UNDERSTAND the "recipe". Maybe that's someone like Neil Blomkamp. Maybe it's a combination of Ridley and someone else who's not just a "yes" man.

My point is, as we've just seen it done, so gloriously, with the "Star Wars" franchise, then maybe it can still be done with "Alien" franchise.

As "The Mandalorian" has shown... "This is the way".

"this is the way".

I saw a similar article from the Guardian. I took it as hearing a certain voice for things like self talk "you can do it" for example. It was referred to something an individual  controls. It was different than unexpected or unwanted voices telling one what to do.

I take it , you're not married 

To have an inner voice, you must have an inner jaw. xDDD

I think this was either in the script or extended Edition. Alien Resurrection...Weyland Yutani is bought out...by Walmart.

'Turn around', 'over here', 'anytime' .....

Lets acknowledge the elephant in the room. 

Parker : So, um, we think we should discuss the bonus situation...

Parker has been waiting 57 years to discuss the bonus situation. Ripley owes some serious back pay  

Thanks on joining in guys, I had almost given up on this topic lol.

 Ripley on trial for blowing up a very expensive ship with story about alien killing the whole crew. Only gets a slap on the wrist with a suspension.

Ripley in Aliens: “57 years in hypersleep. And I still can’t give up smoking.”

• Andrews - "Let me see if I have this correct, Lieutenant; it's an 8-foot creature of some kind with acid for blood, and it arrived on your spaceship. It kills on sight, and is generally unpleasant. And of course, you expect me accept all this on your word."
• Ripley - "No. I don't expect anything."
• Andrews - "Quite a story, Mr Aaron."
• Aaron - "Right sir, it's a beauty. Never heard anything quite like it, sir."

I see the flute as a kind of password device, since the Engineer wasn’t able to do much before he played his tune. Maybe not the most secure password in the universe, though, since it can be overheard. Perhaps that’s not important, and it’s just a mechanism to stop burglars from casually wreaking havoc. Of course, all that went to pot when the Juggernaut started randomly spitting out holographic recordings.

In William Gibson’s excellent novel Neuromancer, there is a scene where the protagonist has to unlock a terminal using a “word” stolen from the character Lady 3Jane Marie-France Tessier-Ashpool. The word is never stated, but the following obscure lines are said of the unlocking.

-now

and his voice the cry of a bird

unknown,

3Jane answering in song, three

notes, high and pure.

A true name.

I like to imagine that the “word” was in fact a simple tune.

Sound is a form of energy that could have been used in ways unknown to humans. 

Except Willy Wonka made it work here on Earth.

Been a while since we had some levity. Thank you Bruthah.

Roasting a hallowed franchise.....Well, may as well give it a go. Ahem....

No one mentioned the obvious when coming out of cryo sleep: Damn, you got some serious stank yet don't appear to have ever made any poops or pees. 

The bar has been set low, so let the roast begin!

As Thoughts_Dreams had mentioned the Derelict had been Envisioned by HR Giger to be a Truly ALIEN Bio-Mechanical Ship that are GROWN and so YES it would seem that he FELT that the  SHIP was LIVING!

But this was NEVER covered in the Franchise and so by the TIME we get to Prometheus we had Ridley Scott decide to go for a more Mechanical Aesthetic over Biological and so going with the Prequels then i would ASSUME the Juggernaught Ships are NOT really ALIVE/LIVING as per say.

Is the DERELICT ALIVE? thats a Different Matter it depends on a Conclusion, there is a AESTHETIC Difference... but Ridley Scott had said that the Derelict and Juggernaught are separated by Hundreds of Years and the ONE is in Pristine Condition while the other has WELL become a Rust Bucket so to Speak.

Regarding the FLUTE... it seems the Engineers Technology is Activated by things we cant comprehend and that the FLUTE could be similar to say your CAR KEY/FOB ( frequency operated button) where a Sequence of Specific Notes are required to ACTIVATE the Ships Navigation/Engines etc.

@Thoughts_Dreams

We can ONLY go and HOPE!  I hope they dont ABANDON the Engineers but i also HOPE they dont just Portray them as in the COMICS ;)

I trust that he'll be back, Very difficult to bring BD. Rather than comparative subjects, you ought to make an intriguing theme with hypotheses.

We should assume BigDave isn't returning for quite a while and it has nothing to do with us or him in some difficulty of any sort.

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You're just like me lol. I watch the behind the scenes on the movies on a regular basis. I never forget Bolaji Badejo's name thanks to a simple detail in Alien Isolation, the cigarette brand in game is named after him. And he said exactly that, something like "I got to be the Alien. It doesn't get much better than that."

Giger got screwed out of 3 because well Alien 3 was troubled to say the least lol. I like to think his original inner jaw concept was used for Sil in Species.

You're very welcome ninXeno426. I love to read things about the Alien movies, like how they found the guy to play the role of the Xeno in Alien and his involvement in it, for example. His name was Bolaji Badejo, I had to look it up which is a pity since I remember the names of the rest of the actors in it. What is interesting is that he only did one movie, but what a movie to be in if it is the only one that you will do.

Another interesting thing is how Giger was treated when it came to his involvement in Alien 3. You can probably also write about how Weaver's role in the production of the movies changed the more they did. There are so many details in the evolvement of the franchise that you can write about from different perspectives.

To me it was kind of vague like a lot of the movie, but maybe it was. Who knows what kind of technology that they use? It isn't to say that the ship was alive even though I remember something about the derelict being grown or that it was a possibility but the one in Prometheus seems to be different. According to the blog Alien Explorations Giger thought that the derelict might have been grown.

https://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/1979/01/having-derelict-ship-idea.html

Strange Shapes also writes about it

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2012/12/02/the-derelictpyramidsilo/

Your question about the flute-thing, maybe the Engineers have technology that is more advanced than what we have. It seems that it was for activating the ship which would be fascinating. Hopefully we will see more about the Engineers in some other alien-project, so they expand the franchise, so we won't get fighting against xenomorphs part 100 so to speak.

this fake Netflix documentary looks really funny, i'm gonna watch it.

I find it really cool thanks for sharing.

2020 sucked something awful. At least I got some neat Alien stuff through out the year lol. But that's about all the good I can say about it.

It covered some things I had forgotten about- at least in less than a year. I see the Australia fire is there but it seems like it was a few years ago and not within a year.

haha. What a quote!

"Id say it  [2020] was a train-wreck and a shit-show but that would be unfair to trains and shit"

@NCC 1701

Many thanks for taking the trouble to comment it is always appreciated and please feel free to make the link for others who might enjoy. 

Even going back to my reading group in the summer of 2018 I remember one saying you had me all the way. I  have lost count of the number of rewrites (not just corrections) I have done but that essential point that the subject matter is perfect for a mystery has always been there. 

Once again thank you. 

once l started reading , had to read it all , good stuff

@BigDave: If the Engineers sacrifice themselves to obtain the life-form depicted in the mural, why are they running from it in the looped playback on LV-223, or for that matter the surviving pilot Engineer resisting it at the end of Prometheus?  Also, if their agenda was equivalent to Peter Weyland's, why be so incensed at him? Also, if their agenda is to sacrifice their DNA so they can achieve a form of immortality through it resurrecting itself, this suggests to me they are definitely equivalent to the "dark angels" of the book of Enoch, creating a twisted version of Biblical sacrifice and resurrection, subverting/ defiling the resurrection of Jesus. The angels of the book of Enoch were jealous of God creating humanity, and his plan to use as to incarnate through, so were they attempting to create their own dark method of resurrection to beat him by inseminating their own DNA into his creation and prevent him being able to reincarnate and create their own existential Lovecraftian messiah? This is similar to Anne Rice's twist that vampirism was a satanic subversion of Christ’s Communion, drink from me and you shall live forever.

The Last Post about the MURAL is kind of Off-Topic... but it can relate to the OT...

As the Theory that  XenomorphAwakening is implying is that maybe there is some ANCIENT Organism that was a Civilization that Predates the Eggs on the Derelict and LV-223 etc.   And i think that YES you could apply that, in which case the Post i made prior could APPLY to the Engineers wishing to USE/EXPERIMENT or Re-Create the said Ancient Races DNA... for maybe the Purpose i proposed?

"Who created them [the Engineers]?"

I forgot to mention Hox that a Mural does-not always have to Worship Gods, many Ancient Cultures would leave Murals, Paintings and Statues etc... to also give Appreciation and worship to other Animals/Beings that HOLD a Great Importance to those who Create the Murals etc.

And so if the MURAL is a Indication of Worship for something that could BENEFIT them, to make them more GODLIKE or a Attempt at Resurrection that would also be a Good Reason for the Mural.  But then the Engineers like to SHOW-OFF what they Create by having Murals and Statues so it could be them SIMPLY showing their Achievements.

This HOWEVER... does not rule out the Mural being Expanded on to indeed showcase some kind of RACE that was Once the Gods of the Engineers, be that their Creators or merely their Enslavers. 

The Organism in the MURAL looks more like this Concept from Prometheus. (well prior to Prometheus)

I think maybe with the OT you could introduce something that is NOT quite our Xenomorph, as it appears the Prequels/Ridley Scott idea is the Xenomorph is merely a Engineered Bio-Weapon.

James Cameron saw them as a Ancient Natural Species but then IF we got to see the ALIEN HOME-WORLD that Cameron had Envisioned its a case of WOULD they had been Portrayed as in ALIENS or shown they came from some kind of Civilization etc?

@Nathan

I was going to chat about that in Response to what Hox had put... so here it goes.

I assume when you both TALK about the Mural then you mean this one?

This Mural itself is a LITTLE on the Ambiguous Side but some Fans can Conclude its a GOD because of the Christ like Pose.

Now when we look at WHY it is that Christ is depicted often in the Cruciform Pose and Worshiped as such it is NOT really in Reflection to him being GOD... but it is to Acknowledge that he SACRIFICED his LIFE for the Immortality of Mankind (so we are allowed a After-Life after Death for his Worshipers).

There is some Significance of the ALTAR and Originally it had the Sacrificial Bowl and NOT a Green Crystal (This was added Post Shooting).   So i look at this MURAL at a Sacrifice.... for some GREATER Course or something they WISHED to Achieve or Obtain.....  Therefor i look at it as being either...

1) The Engineers desire this Mural, and they Self-Sacrifice themselves to become or Obtain the LIFE-FORM that is Depicted in the Mural.

2) The Engineers see a Perfection in this LIFE-FORM and as Genetic Engineers they Sacrifice this Organism to Obtain its DNA/Traits to Further Perfect themselves or their Creations.

When i Consider that the Altar had the Sacrificial Bowl, and we look at what this Represented/Provided.  Then if we look at ALIEN: ENGINEERS to decode what we see.  With Alien Engineers the Sacrificial Goo was Scarabs that had Consumed a Engineer and THUS they Stored the Engineers DNA which we then see ONE of these Scarabs Bite a Primitive Woman... this is 12'000 Years ago.  This Primative Woman then goes through some Changes her DNA is being Changes..

The SET UP seems to imply that the Passing of the Engineers DNA onto this Primitive is what led to a EVOLUTION and this is HOW we got to Modern Mankind.

We Latter see the Scarabs in URNS that Fifield would knock over and ONE of these then BITES him.... only he is Evolved/Mutated to some HYBRID that has Xenomorph Traits and Acid Blood...  we can IMPLY here that maybe something RELATED to the Xenomorph was Sacrificed by the Scarabs so they can CONSUME its (Xeno-Related Organism) DNA to then PASS ON to anything those Scarabs that are Stored in the Urns came into Contact with.

So taking that on Board and looking at the Original Altar in Context to the Mural then i would assume the Engineers had Encountered something that they then TRIED to obtain and UTILIZE its DNA/Traits for some Purpose.

When we look at the Pitch that Jon Spaights had made for the Prequel, he had Envisioned the Engineers as a Ancient Humanoid Species of Creators who had Created/Evolved our Species.  These Engineers had Genetically Evolved themselves to a Point they LOST the Ability to Procreate but they also had Engineered themselves to LIVE for Many Thousands of Years.

They were however NOT really Immortal, the Engineers had been trying to Obtain a Higher Level of Existence beyond the Constraints of the Mortal Body....  they had been ATTEMPTING to Transcend themselves to beings of Energy who can Transcend between the Multiverse.

So it seemed their Agenda was the same as Peter Weylands, looking for WAYS to Extend their Life, then to go Further and Find some kind of Immortality.

In Context to all of this we may have a Solution/Answer, if there was a ANCIENT ORGANISM who had a Life-Cycle where the END would lead to RESURRECTION (via a Genetic Transfer of their Soul/Memories to the Egg Morph).  If something like this Existed then this would give a VERY GOOD reason for the Engineers Experiments... to OBTAIN this Secret/Ability  could GRANT them a Pseudo Resurrection/Immortality.

We have Evidence of this with RIPLEY 8 that the Xeno-DNA can lead to a Pseudo Resurrection

Such a PLOT/IDEA would Uplift the Franchise because we would see that Ultimately with RIPLEY and the Experiments on her DNA then SHE had Achieved maybe what the Engineers had Attempted and Failed...

The other Irony for the Engineers and Weyland is that David was teased that he has NO SOUL.... when in Actual Fact he could be the ONLY being who has a SOUL (his Memories etc can be Transferred to another Body).

Back to the MURAL what we had However is some of those working on the Mural/Project had said that it Represents the Deacon, but its left Ambiguous to HOW/WHY.

If you look at the Easter Eggs (Face Hugers)also the Fresco  and the Engineers being Genetic Scientists and Creators and if we look at say what David was doing on Planet 4 then we could maybe Conclude the Engineers had been Experimenting to Create something and when they achieved the DEACON they saw its Perfection and they WISHED to use its DNA to Evolve Life instead of Engineer DNA

"sometimes to create, one must first destroy"

@Xenotron Stop being ridiculous. I didn't make this post for some sort of willy waving contest.

And to anyone thinking Alien was original... You are deluded. 

I still like both movies and I still think Prometheus is the better movie. I went to the cinema to see the 40th anniversary of Alien, a lot of young people were laughing at some parts of it. One part where they eject the dead body into space and the other when the alien sticks out its hand, among others. "Those youngsters just don't understand what a good movie is".