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BWW: I like your way of writing. One thing that was a good example of writing was this:
"One common detail was shared among them all; Faces frozen in absolute terror."
It makes me wonder what it was that caused it. This could go into many directions but as with the alien-movies not everything got to be explained. Thanks for letting me know about it.
In Space, No One Can Hear You Scream.
In space, there is no safe place.
Below is an excerpt from the Sequel
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On the hangar deck, assorted drones meant for handling large, heavy and bulky objects brought the escape pods and lifeboat aboard. The escape pods weren’t a challenge, but the lifeboat required cooperation of several of the largest units and the ceiling-mounted servicing crane.
Smythe conducted an appraisal of each of the escape pods, and upon seeing the condition of some of them, immediately contacted the bridge.
“Sin, we have a significant problem.” Smythe said, drawing his sidearm whilst keeping a careful and watchful eye on the open space outside the open hangar bay doors, his vision examining the edges of the opening as well over and over while he quickly went to the controls that closed the reinforced and armored doors.
Less than a minute later, the doors leading into the rest of the ship opened, revealing two suited figures in the transfer airlock. They moved out quickly, moving apart from each other yet staying cloe enough to cover and aid each other if need-be while they went to Smythe.
“You mentioned trouble?” Selinaehra inquired, rifle up, sweeping across the hangar bay’s interior while Katherine did the same with her carbine while the hangar doors closed and sealed.
“I did indeed.” Smythe replied, relaxing a little with the arrival of backup, but still looking and sounding shaken through his helmet’s faceplate and over the comms.
“Sonuvabitch…” Came Sin’s voice over the comms as he reacted to what the suit-cam feeds showed him on the bridge’s monitors.
Smythe, Selinaehra and Katherine moved among the lined-up escape pods, examining them carefully, and with some respect for the deceased therein.
The sleekly-rounded coffin-shaped pods had all been pried open by sheer brute force, from the outside.
Within them, in varying conditions, were the corpses of the unfortunate occupants for whom the life-saving escape pods had become death-traps. One common detail was shared among them all; Faces frozen in absolute terror.
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I am not going out without a fight.
My health issues...they are what they are. Fine.
I will work around them, I will entrust my Realms and Works to a person I trust with my life.
My works will never make me famous...but now and then across the years to come, some lonely fan of this franchise will find my works on some late-night search, hoping for something good...and find my efforts, and a link to this Alien Oasis so they can find what I have; A group of really great people.
I Write For The Fandom.
The Fandom Is The Franchise.
And I love you all, my friends.
Come what may, I'll keep the flame, essence and spirit alive as best I can.
Thank-you ((HUG))
It's a 'hardware' issue...physical disruption of areas of the brain. The cause of it is something progressive that there's just no way to treat/cure/fix...and it is Mortal.
There's other symptoms; shaking hands, tremors, etc.. The way it disrupts my memory/personality I was warned about...but experiencing it, is something I wish NO one ever has to go through.
I'm not going to come out and say it, but I think you can get the gist of what I am speaking of.
BWW: To me you're welcome here, yes we might not agree about everything alien-related but that's just fine. I appreciate the different stories about how people got into the franchise, what they like and don’t like. When someone's a writer I can look at what they write about and honestly I find it interesting how people can bring up different themes and have their own ideas about the franchise.
Life can be difficult sometimes, it’s a human thing. We all deal with it in different ways. About you not being able to remember writing those posts I'm not a psychologist but you were probably under a lot of stress. Maybe you could try to get some help for that if needed.
Get back here if you want to and if you need to take a break then do so. I appreciate that we all have our own story with the franchise, you bring your perspective which is fine. Stay around and contribute to this board if you want.
I think these links will get you to everything I have published thus far.
I'll be assembling a Google Drive folder with them all for you and others to be able to download them if you like. I will try to get that done today, but in the meantime, you can read them all at Issuu...if I did the links right, if not, please let me know.
To be blunt...
I will really miss you folks, the fandom...you're all such great people and I really enjoyed my time here because all of you made it good and fun and special to me.
But there's been some things happening in my life, and I guess I just can't take the strain anymore...
This is NOT a 'suicide' thing....
It's an 'I'm losing the war' thing, and as it progresses it's affecting my personality, making me into someone 'not myself', I'm becoming something of a monster and I don't want to be around people I love, respect and call Friends...to protect you from what's happening to me.
I'm not giving any details, but everything that has a Beginning, has an Ending.
Mine is coming.
I am so sorry for what I've said the past few days...I don't remember writing those posts, that's an example of how this is affecting me and it's likely to get worse as this overwhelms me.
It's frightening, not being able to rely on being who you are and I don't want to be like this, but there's nothing that can be done, no medications, no surgery...nothing.
It's like being Mrs. Jekyll and Hyde...and Mrs, Hyde comes out unpredictably and I hate it so much....especially because there's nothing I can do to stop it.
I love you all, I really do, for having made my time here fun and special and feeling like 'Home'. ((HUG)) <3
I'm going to take your words of encouragement and support and remain here if you will continue to have me here.
If you all think it best that I leave, I can and will accept that decision--and I will understand it.
Again, I am sorry for what's been going on with me lately, for the posts that I made, and if I hurt any of you please accept my sincerest and most regretful apologies.
SuperAlien: It's not about being a forum-police, it's about having different opinions. I haven't seen anyone in this thread telling people what to think, people don't need to agree with everyone about everything. If people think that RBW is crap then they should be allowed to say so. To me it seems to be boring and I won't stop saying that since it’s my opinion.
Leto
I like the idea of the Xeno as the perfection of the biological weapons that the Engineers had. It makes it more interesting than it being a result of a weird robot. ADF’s novel is something that I haven’t read but it seems to be better than the movie. Have a book that was better than the movie wouldn’t be difficult since AC wasn’t that good really. As far as upsetting the fans of David, if he would have been better written and executed and if it wouldn’t have been all about him then there wouldn’t be the complaints about that part, that’s my guess.
Forum police, you forgot about this one, first mention of RAISED BY WOLVES.
I did not see yet any episode of RAISED BY WOLVES but I am already tired of haters, same as I was tired of Alien Covenant haters.
Get a life, people!
Leto: You said that there were two topics about it and and as far as I remembered it there were more than that. I don’t say that I support RBW because I think that it seems boring but I like things to be as correct as possible. When I say that there are four threads about it I say it to be as factual as possible, I don’t say that to say that I support it. RBW still seems to be really boring even though it might look good.
“A couple of weeks / months and no one will even remember about this series here.”
Maybe, I just think that it should be thrown at the trash-pile.
>>>That would have been better about the Engineers as the creators of the Xeno. Why did they change it so David made it? Was it just a snap judgement that Ridley did meaning that he went with his feeling of what he was interested in rather than to tell a good story?
Well, one thing is for sure - it was not the original plan. The novelization of Alien: Covenant says that David found the xenomorph and simply modified them. Moreover, further in the text, the xenomorph is described as the crown of the Engineer's biological weapon.
And as we know, there are two nuances in the production of films and novelizations:
1) Novelizations are written from drafts ready for filming; before filming.
2) During filming, the film is constantly being changed, what may be unplanned and not very successful from a forward-looking point of view.
Hence the difference between a book and a film. And reading the book, you can understand the original intent of the story.
There is two major difference:
1) David did not create the Alien.
2) David died (or stayed) on Planet 4.
P.S. I know this might upset some fans of David and his experiments. But that was the original idea. And, btw, we still don't know who survived in the film - David or Walter.
+1 or -1 doesn't matter. RbW is a temporary phenomenon and has nothing to do with the Alien Universe or this forum. A couple of weeks / months and no one will even remember about this series here.
It's bad when that happens, but can I find out where you post your stories? If this is some kind of blog or personal site - perhaps not very good places. Perhaps you should post your work on some popular and well-known site specifically for fanfiction.
I think that I have seen four threads about it
1 https://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/49902
2 https://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/49960
>>>I am done with the ALIEN franchise.
"I'm done with X" - the most unreliable phrase in my life. No one I know has ever kept a promise like that for more than a couple of months. You shouldn't even give such vows. Especially if you grew up with Alien and love it. The Alien is already a part of your DNA, your nature. And two minor topics about RbW won't change that. I've been sitting here for over 3 years now and drank a whole toxic bucket about xenomorph and Filthy Alien Fans©. And I'm still here.
>>>I can not and will not be part of a forum glorifying shit like 'raised by wolves'.
Come on - there are only two topics about it. Be positive and take a different perspective - perhaps the fact that Ridley "released" his ideas in RbW will allow us to get a more classic Alien film next time!
Not sure if I replied to something like this (maybe I did, maybe I didn't) in another thread but here it goes. I think that it's difficult to make yourself known as a writer even if you post your things at a message board for people with the same interest. Maybe there are much alien-things out so you go to have something special (in the eyes of the companies, not the fans) for them to release it, that's not to say that your work is bad.
I’ll be blunt, screw Raised By Wolves, android crap.
“... it comes off like it was written by a bunch of stoned 3rd graders.”
LMAO! Love that insult
Scott is more famous so even if your ideas seem better, it is what it is. I don’t like his ideas and I bet that you would do a better work story-wise. Don’t forget that resources and money can get you far even if the product stinks, that seems to be the thing with RBW. I’m also disappointed with how the alien franchise has developed, so we share that opinion.
I don't trust Scott or Disney, his ideas about David F that shit. Not interested in Alien 5 either, it seems like a repeat.
I hope that you come back here some day so you can participate in the discussions, if you want to. Everyone might not agree with each-other but I can honestly say that I really like the different perspectives that people have and to me your perspectives are welcome too.
BD
"Either make the Engineers its creators or someone above the Engineer that made the Xeno"
That would have been better about the Engineers as the creators of the Xeno. Why did they change it so David made it? Was it just a snap judgement that Ridley did meaning that he went with his feeling of what he was interested in rather than to tell a good story? Sometimes in AC that is what it seems like with the AI thing that he is interested in. Unfortunately when I think about Ridley and Alien it seems that a story in Alien is one thing and a robot-story is another but he mixes them and it doesn’t work because it is too much about the robot/android side.
Rebooting the Covenant, I might not be much of a writer to write it in detail but I know what I would like to see. I would like to see the Engineer planet, to see their society with religion, military Engineers, and their weapons, have their buildings being Gothic or maybe bio-mechanical. As far as I know there was bad feelings between Fox and Giger so maybe bio-mechanical isn’t possible that is why my idea was to have it Gothic. I still support that the Engineers or someone above them did it, the main thing shouldn't be an aliens 2 with 200 Xenos because it should be something else. Keep them in the shadows, and don't have too many of them. The Xeno was poorly handled in AC even though the crane-scene was good but it was too short. Not too say that we just need action but much of the movie was too slow.
I actually like the idea of exploring other planets, it could be tied to global warming. That is an issue that’s more interesting than AI. Raised By Wolves but is about the religion part. Maybe Shaw's search would be about the state of the planet combined with her curiosity. She could have been in it if she was better written, like The Crossing. What if they don’t get to their home-world but somewhere where the Engineers have had a hand in building things? Who’s to say that they are only on Planet 4? Perhaps another company had also thought about it so they send people there but for a different purpose (you need human characters), don't ask why.
Do I have to have David in it? Not sure what to do with him, I would probably have him in some scenes but not too much. Maybe he could be scary to some people but that he is just there to help, like Bishop but less screen-time. I would have him developing in a different way compared to AC if he would be in it at all which I am not a fan of.
If Shaw would be in it, she would be more like in The Crossing. She did well in that short clip. Have her better written if she would get a fairly decent amount of screen-time. Honestly I haven’t seen her in a lot, some have been good and some of it have been meh. Give her a decent script and she would probably do better.
Maybe she could find a sort of weapons facility where the Engineers make monsters to use as bio-weapons. That would probably make her scared at least if she wouldn’t be like in the beginning of Prometheus. She would probably like to get the answers to why we were created "I want to go where they came from”, something like that. Eventually we don’t need to know exactly why they wanted to destroy us but look at the world and you can make a guess.
My point is that she would get to know some about it but not all because 1. everything don’t need to be explained 2. sometimes you don’t get all the answers 3. sometimes you don’t get any. A movie that explains A B C and D is boring, you might just get the explanation to A and B and that is fine. It depends on what you keep a secret, what the answers are, and how you answer it.
You could have Engineers that has decided to not kill humanity, they might just let them be even though they are not pleased with our way. They are like a person that is not satisfied with what ever but instead of doing something sits in his room and is grouchy. Looking at humanity it would surprise me if the Engineers would like them at all, they might have different ways to look at what should or shouldn't be done that is what’s important here.
What’s worse: someone that treats you like you don’t exist, or someone that yells at you? Neither of those are pleasant and that’s the situation here. It is like the question: what would God do if it created humans but started to dislike us. Maybe they would give Shaw her answers at least in part and then take her back to the ship and be like “leave us alone (you are annoying and we have a party to attend)”. :D You wrote something about changing Shaw’s faith, that could be a way.
"She could maybe then decided its time to KILL this Wanna be Gods ;)"
I think that they would want to die by her just being there acting annoying. ;)
About the architecture yeah but it should have been more alien so to speak and more impressive. You mentioned ancient but I think that they could still be from a long time ago because maybe humans did buildings that were alright (they built the pyramids) so something better could have been used for the Engineers but I get your point. I would have liked to see a bit of how the cathedral looked inside. Different official buildings could have different designs depending on how important they find them to be. For example a place where you don’t go that much would probably look different compared to one of maybe religious worship where you go maybe different days of the week or what ever the Engineers would do. "The Cathedral in Alien Covenant was COLOSSAL"
It makes sense since Scott is interested in religious things. As far as I know it just appeared for a bit so I didn’t take in how it looked. If you have been in a church you probably know that sometimes they have paintings in there, imagine how the engineers versions would look like. Since they are taller I guess that the buildings would be bigger compared to humanity's. Maybe they are into sacrificing things, if so it is interesting to imagine what it would be. Perhaps the city was more modern because they wanted to connect to their ancient gods in their church like some sort of mystic past. Hopefully I don’t talk gibberish here.
"I think a Disappointment for Fans and this applies to Prometheus too is they would have Expected the WORLD of the Space Jockey to look VERY much like a HR Giger Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic."
That was and still is my reaction, it wasn’t too impressive to be honest. I understand your explanation for it but I still think that it disappointing, esthetically speaking. You don’t need to use bio-mechanical things in the movie. I would have used a Gothic style, I like that kind of look. A lot of the action could have taken place during the dark so combine Gothic buildings with the dark and you get something for an alien-movie.
"So when we was going to Prometheus 2 if these Engineers are NOT the GODS but a Sub-Creation and so like ANGELS if you would then you COULD introduce a Hierarchy above them that are 10-15ft Tall"
Maybe, you got to make it work though. What if the angels that you mention are more like monsters even though that is not what the Engineers view them as? I would maybe make them like some monster from Lord of The Ring but with an alien twist. Some would find it lame but you can get inspiration from many things.
I will now answer some of the things that were meant for Michelle but I found them to be interesting. You don't need to reply to them if you don't want since they really weren't meant for me.
"… a LOT of Fans were ONLY really interested in seeing the Engineers as Aggressive SOB's… So there are Many Ways they could have given us a Story that is NOT TIED down to being about LV-426 and Monsters.”
People have different opinions, I understand if some would like them to be like aggressive body-builders but I think that many would like to see more what they were about. To expect people to just be interested in that side of them could be to underestimate the interest that could be. Maybe people would see the aggressive ones that you called them but I also think that there were also an interest in seeing the culture and those kind of things. One thing is that if you sort of replace the monster with the Engineers you got to make them scary. If they would succeed with the Engineers would depend on writing and directing. Eventually it could be done but they got to find a way to make it work.
"The cathedral in alien covenant was colossal"
It makes sense since Scott is interested in religious things. As far as I know it just appeared for a bit so I didn’t take in how it looked. If you have been in a church you probably know that sometimes they have paintings in there, imagine how the engineers versions would look like. Since they are taller I guess that the buildings would be bigger compared to humanity's. Maybe they are into sacrificing things, if so it is interesting to imagine what it would be. Perhaps the city was more modern because they wanted to connect to their ancient gods in their church like some sort of mystic past. Hopefully I don’t talk gibberish here.
"I think a Disappointment for Fans and this applies to Prometheus too is they would have Expected the WORLD of the Space Jockey to look VERY much like a HR Giger Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic.."
That was and still is my reaction, it wasn’t too impressive to be honest. I understand your explanation for it but I still think that it disappointing, esthetically speaking. You don’t need to use bio-mechanical things in the movie. I would have used a Gothic style, I like that kind of look. A lot of the action could have taken place during the dark so combine Gothic buildings with the dark and you get something for an alien-movie. Yes the stone buildings look older, but they don’t look better and also maybe the way that their older builsings look doesn’t have to be the same as ours. For example their way of building things in their equivalent of say the stone-age might not look the same to how humans built huts in our stone-age. This is a way of saying that maybe the Engineers were always more advanced.
"So when we was going to Prometheus 2 if these engineers are not the gods but a sub-creation and so like angels if you would then you could introduce a hierarchy above them that are 10-15ft tal "
Maybe, you got to make it work though. What if the angels that you mention are more like monsters even though that is not what the engineers view them as? I would maybe make them like some monster from Lord of the Ring but with an alien twist. some would find it lame but you can get inspiration from many things.
I will now answer some of the things that were meant for Michelle but I found them to be interesting. You don't need to reply to them if you don't want since they really weren't meant for me.
"… a lot of fans were only really interested in seeing the engineers as aggressive sob's… so there are many ways they could have given us a story that is not tied down to being about lv-426 and monsters.”
People have different opinions, I understand if some would like them to be like aggressive body-builders but I think that many would like to see more what they were about. To expect people to just see be interested in that side of them could be to underestimate the interest that could be. Maybe people would see the aggressive ones that you called them but I also think that there were also an interest in seeing the culture and those kind of things. One thing is that if you sort of replace the monster with the engineers you got to make them scary. If they would succeed with the engineers would depend on writing and directing. Eventually it could be done but they got to find a way to make it work. Another thing is that show that the big Engineers (LV-223) created those on Planet 4, or maybe that they were once the same but the split into factions, or that the big ones created those on Planet 4, because they could. The point is that even though the Engineers are smarter than humans they still have their problems. You can go in any direction about who the originals are, it got to make some sense. Give some answers without overtly explaining it.
BD:
About Blomkamp, maybe he wasn't alone with how the prequels have turned out but that doesn't justify bringing Ripley back and erase Alien 3. Prometheus had the Engineers that were interesting but it lacked characters and the Engineers were too vague. Like with AC it would have helped a lot to bring the cut scenes in, crappy editing.
“… Prometheus indeed had more FLAWS than to SIMPLY not have any Xenomorphs.”
No doubt, just look around the Internet. I mean “I love rocks”, what the hell? That was some really stupid writing, LOL. When I think about it the no Xenos isn't very high up on my list. Prometheus didn't need the Xeno if you ask me, just show something close to it. Yeah, Scott didn't help things but Fox effed it up. Some mystery is fine but when you got to watch a movie 50 times to understand it, then it gets ridiculous. A movie without Xenos is fine, in case it would be a trilogy they could've saved it for the last movie. What makes me annoyed is to have David as the creator because it takes a dump on the franchise.
Getting more answers to the Engineers would've been awesome but they erased it. More Shaw could've been alright if she would’ve been like in The Crossing. Rapace did a good job there. LV-223 could've been explained a bit more but not much. Prometheus closed that door fairly good so don't over-explain it. David was interesting in Prometheus and even though he got worse in AC he isn't even the reason why I care about the franchise. The androids isn't why I watch the movies so the story was wrong at least the part about David, but I don’t bash on space-exploring.
I don't think that you can blame Blomkamp for AC, if Prometheus would've been better we wouldn't have seen that excitement for Alien 5. AC became mediocre at best not because of Blomkamp but because of an over-reliance on AI and mostly underwhelming human characters.
“… as far as DAVID the Creator Goes who REALLY knows 100% WHY this Curve-ball came about.”
We don't know exactly but Scott seems to be very excited about AI so maybe that's a reason why, even though that might just be one reason to why it became what it became. A lot of people got annoyed by that, at least that is pretty safe to say.
"… unless this was RS giving the Fans/Fox the Finger because he HAD to bring the Xenomorph back etc."
That shouldn't be based on feelings though if that was the case, you got to think about how that affects the franchise and how people might react to it. What we have now is a lot of discontent among people and Scott and Fox only have themselves to blame for this. I don't care about David, he could have a small part of the story but right now it's too much.
"… Alien Covenant then all of this was just deemed NOT IMPORTANT... it was about the Themes through the EYES/ARC of DAVID.... which was too much… at the Sacrifice of the Engineers.”
To me it was like they got rid of a lot of interesting ideas and made it all about David. They probably came up with different ideas when it comes to the writing and some of it gets rejected so who knows what they talked about. Many of them might have been a lot more interesting than what we were given.
"Sadly i think the Prequels and MOST of what they shown is DEAD i certainly cant see Disney going to Invest in that, and Certainly they WONT give us a Continuation to AC."
Maybe, but if Ridley and Fox would have done it better then I think that we wouldn't have that problem. They should've had better writers also, I read the script for AC and I wasn't too impressed. I would've liked to see more about the Engineers, their connection to the creature, and more with the black goo. So many interesting things that just got thrown to the side. AC wasn't very exciting so I don't need a follow-up at all. What's worse is that the next movie most likely would've been another David-movie, I don't want to support that because it's crap. Not to say that they can't do a good alien-movie, but I don't think that's the way to go. Both from a story-perspective and from a money-perspective (what Disney wants and what the audience prefers) it seems bad.
No matter how much crap they will give us, nothing will take away the first three movies. The novelizations by Alan Dean Foster seem to be good too even though I haven’t read them. Sorry that you feel so bad about it so you have to leave.
Raised By Wolves seems to be boring as F if you ask me, that’s my opinion. If you leave just because people have different opinions then it will be difficult to be a member of any forum. Notice that I don’t claim that’s your reason for it, but the franchise is disappointing right now. You will never agree with everyone. Honestly I have a difficult time to understand what people find exiting about Raised By Wolves. I'm saying this just to let you know that you're not alone about that opinion. No characters + over-relying on androids = shitty TV-show, movie, or what ever, that’s my take on it.
“I grew up with ALIEN and loved it...then, well..it died...“
I kind of agree although there are parts of the movies after Alien 3 that I find alright. Yeah in general there are too much disappointing things right now at least as far as the movies are concerned.
As I cintinue my 'clean-up' efforts I once again want to say how much I appreciate all of you as friends and especially your words of support and encouragement.
And just to say, in 'Out Of The Silent Dark' I think you guys will appreciate some new revelations about The Alien.
Been working for a long time to give it back it's Mystique and Mojo to undo how it's been turned into just another moving-target for gunnery parctice.
The Colonial Marines are lucky they weren't in MY 'House'. ;)
I'm hoping to have some further excerpts of 'appetizer' quality by this coming weekend. :) NOT sure from which works...maybe also a Vignette, but no promises for now.
I'd LOVE to add some illustrations and such...but I have NO read as ZERO drawing/art skills and all the artists I have tried to contact...well....13 months and NO replies, so nuff said.
I dunno...maybe I will take some time, consider things. But the truth seen in the screencap, well...speaks for itself...NO one gives a cold shit about my stories.
(((HUG))) I think you know when i say I Understand!
Thank-you for telling me what you did!
I will take your advice, and take time, and consider.
I am done.
The dream is dead.
Bull shit and fuck that! I guess I can understand your reasons for calling it quits, but there are people who enjoy your writing. On the other hand, if you aren't feelin' it, maybe it's best to pull the plug. It's not like your livelihood depends on it and is a work of sheer passion. As a musician, I maybe can relate as I spent decades of time writing, creating, practicing, learning and spending a lot of money on gear to make music only a few people gave Luke warm claps to. And i never made one cent......but it made me appreciate music even more knowing the entire process while other dipshits think I am a snob- bad production there, kick drum not strong enough there, lousy rhythm tone, tired and trite formulaic lyrics over there, bad EQ and mixing/masterimg and on and on.
Hang in there. Take a break, re focus and continue. Do it for your own amusement. Even if few listen, there will be those interested to hear the story you want to tell.
I hope you are OK Sciefied Sister.
IF I can figure it out, I'll be posting my efforts on 'an archive of our own', a place devoited to fan-fiction.
I can't remember how to work with it, so I need to re-learn that. No big deal, but it'll give another point-of-access for everyone and might be where one can read and download without needing to use seperate links...I think.
Well, we'll see once I re-learn my way around it again.
I removed this post as it was just not-good and I am cleaning up the mess I made.
Sorry for the trouble, folks.
First I agree with your points about the franchise, and yeah Disney's famous Vault...
In the meantime I guess us Fandom folks will have to keep it alive...and as we all know, eventually, The Alien always escapes. ;)
I removed this reply of mine as it was entitely inappropriate for this forum, was hateful and I had very strong regerst in posting it.
Instead, I will say 'Thank-You' to you all for your words of support and encouragement to me while I try to get through a dark and frightening time in my life.
Thank-You for downloading my works!
YES, Big Dave's posts are Erpics and Sagas...but he does make some interesting and deep observations, like one of those really DEEP ocean submersibles.
Big Dave that is meant as a compliment, just to say.
When done, 'En-Route' and the Sequel will gat Links here, and ORIGIN will have the same.
In the meantime, I will post little 'appetizer' excerpts now and then. :D
Blackwinter-witch I downloaded yesterday The Lander and Manticore, just to be sure I have them for my next holiday. Didn't have a holiday in a long time and reading BigDave's long posts just takes almost all my limited free time.
I did not watch yet Raised by Wolves, but if Ridley Scott used some of the ideas he had for the Alien Covenant sequel it couldn't be that bad, hopefully.
If you could post the links to 'Out of the silent dark' and 'Origin' here like you did for the two mentioned above, I would be happy to read them.
Alien is not dead, unfortunately it is locked and starved in Disney's vault. We are here to keep him alive and, whether we like it or not, the success of Raised by Wolves could help in the making of an Alien tv series, where you could see some of your dreams put into action. Somebody from the House of the Mouse must be doing research in all fan fiction posted on internet, as they don't seem to have their own viable ideas yet, since Giler and Hill tried to bring back Ripley.
Don't give up on dreaming.
Like David said, "Nobody understands the lonely perfection of my dreams."
The sequel is going to be hopefully written sooner than I could otherwise manage on my own--we'll see, but it's looking promising!
I will be posting excerpts, as soon as I have one or two more that I think are 'appetizer' quality. :D
Given what was said during the release period of Prometheus in interviews by those close to the film I think we have a clear idea of what Scott and Lindelof's priorities were for the follow up.
It was essentially a search for answers that had been "pulled" from Prometheus. Damon talks in the commentary about the risk of doing this in case a further movie did not get made. You can cross-reference everyone's conversations and even things that Noomi said in interviews as long after as 2014.
It was essentially "If they made us, who made them.", why at the time of Christ did they want to destroy us and why philosophically were they annihilated and the revelation that we are a footnote.
Ridley, however, began to adjust the narrative reacting to the feedback of Prometheus and began talking about David (not Elizabeth) bringing hell and instead of characterising those whom they would find as Gods they simply become a bunch of aggressive antagonists.
I see that as the end of the grand ideas of Prometheus and a step by step march through Elizabeth as the vigilante to finally being a plot device.
I can see Ridley's dilemma on the screen. Very late on he invited Noomi down for a week to film what became the Crossing. He re elevated Elizabeth into the heroine dying of the Mutagen who heals David, which releases a new series of cognitive experiences for him and she passes into history in the backlit sarcophagus.
He then changed his mind again and places Elizabeth in the homage to Geiger as well as in the grave where presumably her body from the Crossing was intended to be laid.
Despite Damon's protestations that there were many scriptwriters who could follow him in, Prima Facie no one came up with a script that fitted the metrics.
My contention is when you have studied the strands of the storytelling carefully the themes and let go of the AVP franchise needs, that a genuine follow up was never made is entirely understandable. It was an admirable punt to try and say something fresh within a cooked franchise.
With the numerous problems in the Prometheus production, whether it was budget cuts, script problems, reshoots, and just about every other kind of problem you could imagine once you were that far into principle photography then I think it is hard to say where Prometheus should have gone after.
First the movie was doomed from the start. The fact that it has David taking an Alien ship to another world is just the most preposterous nonsense. No matter what Dr. Shaw said to him his programing would have been to secure the remaining site and wait for back up from WY until they arrived on LV-223.
The fact that this AI android goes against his programming and takes a ship to an Engineer world is such absolute nonsense…..although since the studios effectively wrecked RS movie Prometheus I think he returned the favor with a rouge AI David going to destroy an Engineer world.
Sometimes I really hate discussing this because it is frustrating to this day how wrong the studios were to cut budgets and demand rewrites of the plot.
@BD nothing against you at all…….I just do not care anymore where they go with the entire franchise any more…..we got some cool looking stuff out of this journey with RS but that is about it…..
We were supposed to get a new far more rich world to explore after Prometheus and instead we get David doing what he is not really programmed to do destroying some world somewhere……its all very vague nonsense a lot of it….frustrating really to no end….I just watch these movies now and really could care less about any of it….I want to make my own movies and explore my own ideas.
I will add there is a STORY to be Told from the Moment that Dr Shaw and David had LEFT the Outpost on LV-223 to when we saw Dr Shaw was Dead... A Tragic and Horrific Story. We Discovered that Dr Shaw had not DIED in the CRASH, and so HOW LONG she had Survived and WHAT Caused David to Eventually do what he DID?
It also seemed VERY LIKELY that some Engineers had Survived as we see David had Studied them and Experimented with them No Doubt. So MAYBE he could have tried to GET some Answers from them?
Anyway the ONLY reason i bring the ABOVE UP is that while there is a STORY/EVENT that Happened, to go and SHOW this on the BIG SCREEN would revolve around ONLY having David and Dr Shaw and a Handful of Weak/Emaciated Engineers.
And so Theatrically this may be a Problem and maybe in SOME PART for the Plot we have with Alien Covenant so that we can have more HUMANS come into Play.
I think back to the OT but in Context to the above Point.
Regarding where David and Dr Shaw were off too, then i would have maybe Suspected that Paradise could have been Different to WHAT we got. Paradise can mean a Number of Things.... depending on the Religion and Culture but they all have a Similar Concept.
It is a PLACE that only the WORTHY are Allowed.
It is also in some Religions the Birthplace of Civilization and so in that Context then MAN was Created in the Garden of Eden in Paradise before they were Expelled.
If the Engineers are playing the Role of GOD in Context to the Franchise and where the ONE Engineer had said he was From is what we could call Paradise. Then this WORLD could have been where say the Garden of Eden was, and the Cradle of Civilization and our Origins.
Some Religions and Cultures have Paradise as being the PLACE that the Righteous and Worthy Dead will Go when they Die....
HOWEVER... lets not get looking at it Literally as a Place where our Spirits would END UP... if we assume in Context to the Franchise that we HAVE NONE..... but that EVERY kind of Mythos and Religion has a ELEMENT of Truth, well some Basis which is from the Engineers.
If we look at the Garden of Eden and Creation because THIS seems to be the Main Point of the Prequels (CREATION) then the Biblical Account is that the Garden of Eden in Paradise is NOT where GOD comes from, or his ANGELS its the Place where WE WAS CREATED....
And so within that Context it could be a PLACE where a NUMBER of other Humanoids were Created.
And so it could have been a WORLD where there could have been a SMALLER Group of Engineers who are Tasked with WATCHING OVER this Paradise. And these Engineers could be the Cherubim
This World could then have a SMALL Population of Humans and other Humanoids who were DEEMED to be Worthy of Paradise, who the Engineers would have Collected, and indeed Christ could have been one of these Worthy Humans they had taken to Paradise to TEACH and then take back to Earth.
There could have been many Human Emissaries sent to Earth.
So in Context to the OT, and regarding AC as far as WHY they had to introduce more HUMANS. Then i cant see WHY they could have had PARADISE as a World that is FAR FAR from Earth.
On this Paradise we have some Engineers, but then a Number of other Species in NOT so Great Numbers and some of these would be HUMAN.
Imagine the Wonder on Dr Shaw's Face if she Discovers a World where Humans also had been Seeded, and then coming into Contact with other Humanoids the Engineers had Seeded.
Dr Shaw could get some Answers, maybe she be Welcomed... but then the Engineers will inform her about WHY the Earth was to be Destroyed and LV-223 and maybe there was a Conflict of Interest and those beings on Paradise then Decided to SABOTAGE the LV-223 Mission.
Leave the Earth to its OWN demise at our OWN hands.
The Engineers being so Naive that they THOUGHT that without the HELP of the Engineers we would NOT really Advance much more than we had 2000 Years ago and so they had NO FEAR we would EVER be able to Traverse Space.
By Virtue of Dr Shaw showing up with David and WHO he is, could Cause a Great Concern for the Engineers. There could be some WHO think she has to be Destroyed... and the Earth and maybe David does OVERHEAR this and tries to TELL her... but maybe she does-not Believe him.
She confronts a Engineer and asks.. and they tell her that they are GOING to Destroy the Earth as they CANT have us Traversing Space... and they also intend to SECURE the LV-223 Outpost (Maybe Destroy it)
The Council of Engineers then Determine that Dr Shaw could STAY but she would have to Denounce all she had learned in her Religion and other Influences from Earth and she must CONFORM to their Basic Way of Life (like the Amish) and Learn the Engineer Ways and OBEY their Rules as they CANT have any Foreign Influences on their Paradise of Different Species Living in Harmony!
They would claim that the Earth would be Washed Clean so it can be Started Anew in Future. They also Reveal to Dr Shaw that David will be Studied and then DESTROYED as he is a Abomination and their Creations are NOT meant to Create.
Only by Childbirth they are Permitted to Create Life.
How would THESE kinds of Revelations Effect Dr Shaw.. would she be OK with David being Destroyed, and the REST of Mankind on Earth?
Could they offer her a Bargaining Chip in Claiming that they could ALLOW her to Create Life herself and FIX the Reason she cant BARE CHILD.
Maybe she Discovers some Sinister Agenda to them too?
Is there a Sinister Agenda going on to WHY they Create?
Are the Worthy Races on Paradise merely here so the Engineers have a Genetic Stock to Populate Worlds with?
Then we come to DAVID... if he Discovers the Engineers Plans for him, then he WOULD surely want to STRIKE FIRST and this is when Paradise is Turned into HELL.
Dr Shaw and a Few others Survive/Saved by David... or maybe ONLY she does...
Paradise is LOST... Destroyed!
Dr Shaw was Hopeful she could CHANGE their Minds as FAR as to Destroy Earth.... David would inform her she would have been FOOLISH to Believe that.
She could be ANGRY at David for what he has DONE... he also has STOLEN the ONLY chance she has of having a Child as the Engineers were going to be able to HELP HER.
But we could have David suggest that he can Discover a way that she can have Children and they can START a NEW EDEN....
This is HOW i was kind of going to explore Paradise in 2013 when i was working on a Sequel Story to Prometheus.
But my Point is that they NEVER had to make Paradise so CLOSE to Earth so you can introduce more Humans....
There could be MANY more of us in the Galaxy that the Engineers had Seeded, or taken to these Worlds.
"Given that Elizabeth was our Proxy at the end of the movie the subsequent film would have been her story, not Davids."
I think that depends on Interpretation i think that the BIGGER theme they was going for would be CREATION and so WHY would the Engineers Create, and HOW was they Created.
Dr Shaw Certainly would be the ONE that should be the Proxy for us to get those Answers as so YES she should have remained as the Lead Protagonist.
I think we would have been in for a Hubristic Tale of Sub-Creation and i think this is where David would be our Proxy to that Hubris.....
So Dr Shaw would indeed be wanting to know WHO these would be GODS are, she wants to see for Herself if they are anything like what her FAITH would teach that a CREATOR would be like. She would want to know WHY we was Created and so much Time Invested in us to then just wish to DESTROY us. I would suspect that at the BACK of her Mind/Faith she maybe would NOT go and Accept those Engineers are our Creators.... surely there has to be something HIGHER and so WHO had Created them could be another thing that Dr Shaw wants to know.
Ridley Scott had painting the Picture that those Engineers are NOT the Gods, and they did-not want to MEET GOD in the First Movie, and as they are Referred to as Fallen/Dark Angels then maybe its likely they FIT within the Context of a Fallen Angel... so they Certainly are NOT the Hierarchy and so there has to be either another Faction of the Engineers or even a Creator to them.
Ridley Scott had said they (Dr Shaw and David) would go and MEET these beings on Paradise and these beings would NOT be Gods in the Traditional Sense and FAR from Benevolent.
That does-not look so GOOD for Dr Shaw as far as a Happy Ending and wishing to Discover some Benevolent Creator, and so its INTERESTING to see HOW these beings would FEEL about seeing Dr Shaw and what she WANTS.
However with David bringing HELL with him could indicate that he has something that can TURN the TIDE or Persuade the Engineers to Listen to Dr Shaw and so i think Davids Actions would have played a BIG ROLE in the Outcome of a Prometheus Sequel.
I think we should not go and Overlook our David as he is a Proxy to Creation and the Hubris of such... i think the Creation Themes could Continue with him.
He is FREE now (at the End of Prometheus) but he Needs our Dr Shaw to HELP him be put back in ONE PIECE so he can Fully Live this NEW Life he has been Given. How would he FEEL about Dr Shaw for Helping Him?
We have to Assume that Dr Shaw needs his HELP to Leave the Hell they are Stranded on. So she would have NO CHOICE to Reluctantly Repair him, SHE is bound to have Concerns but as RS said... David is Very Persuasive. The Interesting Dynamic on Offer here is seen in The Crossing.
I think David would have had a BIG ROLE because Ultimately he is the ONE who Holds all the Cards, he could GO and DO whatever he likes... But the SET-UP is that they would INDEED arrive at some Place Related to the Engineers.
With David being FREE and a Sentient Life-Form he would want to SURVIVE and i feel he would take a Risk Assessment at the Chances of HIS and Dr Shaws Survival and so i always was DRAWN to that David would indeed at some point UNLEASH HELL on the Inhabitants of the WORLD they would be OFF TOO.
However i Certainly dont think it would have Originally gone down like Alien Covenant i think at least there would have been some Interaction with some Engineers or other Related Beings and i think Dr Shaw would Certainly had played a Larger Role than just to be seen as a Corpse.
I think we had a OUTLINE to where Ridley Scott and Damian Lindeloff were Heading but Quite HOW much of this Changed during the First Run of Drafts before Micheal Green came on Board is something we have NO Real Knowledge of.
It would be Interesting to see some of the Earlier/Mid point work by Jack Paglen and then seen Micheal Greens reworking and see HOW much they Differ from the Dante Harper and John Logan version of the STORY.
It was a Wasted Opportunity for sure as Certainly a Character Arc for Dr Shaw could have given Noomi Rapace a better Character to work with.
I would say that YES we would see Walter Hill and David Giler have even more of a Influenced on this Project than the others they had BEFORE.
I think they have a IDEA that Disney are aware of as FAR as WHAT made the Alien Franchise Great and then WHAT started to make it Divisive and Disappoint.
And so i think that for 100% sure we will see Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection removed from Canon as Dreams and i Suspect the ALIEN V will IGNORE the Prequels.
Alien Covenant had taken a Route that MOST of the Fans were NOT a Fan of, and the Movie was Financially a BIG Disappointment for FOX.
It would seem that a Movie or TWO that would Continue with David and WHAT KIND of a World he would Create is something that i DONT feel Many would be Interested in Especially if it REVOLVES around him.
The David is the Creator of the Xenomorph is also something that REALLY BUGS a lot of the Fans too ;)
WHEN they was working on a Prequel i think a LOT of the Fans would have Expected it to give us something about WHERE the Xenomorph came from and WHO had made or Discovered them and WHEN and then WHY would they (Space Jockey) have those Eggs. You would also have expected to DISCOVER who the Space Jockey are.
Yes we saw Prometheus take a Different Approach which Raised other Questions that Fans would have wanted to see Answered and to see MORE of the Engineers and about them.
The Majority of the Fans would NOT have wanted to see a Movie that Centered around David and A.I Certainly NOT at the Sacrifice of the Engineers and other Characters.
So if they CHOOSE to Move Forwards with a Continuation i am NOT that sure that Fans would go and SEE it in Big Numbers unless they knew that DAVID would NOT be one of the BIG PARTS maybe like 3rd/4th Important Character and they would want to see the ENGINEERS make a Return.
And that its Revealed that David is NOT the Creator of the Xenomorph.......
But its HOW do you do this..... its maybe BEST to Offer another Sequel to Prometheus/Alien Covenant that does-not IGNORE those Movies but that does-not be about WHERE it is that David is going.
I think this would MAYBE attract more Fans?
Damn- what a busy bee! I read and enjoyed Perfect Organism and haven't gotten around to OLARKUS yet. Tough to keep up, but it's nice to see you are mushing on!
Another post I regeret replaced by a message of 'Thanks' to all of you for your words of support and encouragement.
That 'Blackout'...yeah, embarrassing, and I am really very sorry the forum had to be exposed to that 'side' me.
I am working on the tie-in short story between 1st story and Sequel, but I am relying more and more on the help of the person I might have to turn my works over to if things medically don't go too well.
I have a Chance...but it involves rolling the dice, and we'll see what happens.
I will be publishing some new works that link Blade Runner to A L I E N plausibly and smoothly.
I will be starting with a Vignette as the longer story will take a while, and I won't be writing it, merely acting as Consultant/Collaborator for all stories from now on due to my physical abilities becoming increasingly compromised.
But...soon...ish.
