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"The franchise is almost dead, they have to be very careful and avoid giving it the final blow."

Unfortunately we are getting to that point YES..

I think the Potential that Prometheus has is somewhat LOST, well maybe something that Disney would NOT want to Explore... i think the Plot about Davids Arc is more so Finished as far as Majority Interest.

So maybe Fanservice is required... but if this FAILS then it could be Curtains for the Franchise!

Saying that maybe a ALIEN 5.. Ripley Returns could SELL and WORK....

I think we need to Accept the David Arc Ship has Sailed, the Ellen Ripley Saga is Buried... going back to LV-223 could maybe lead to some being Disappointed as it could make them Lament what a Prometheus 2 could have been if they did this Earlier!

I THINK what its BEST is to INTRODUCE the MONSTER to a New Generation... those 15-25 Year Old.

You can be Respectful to the Prequels by NOT giving us a Ret-Con...  but you can cover something that would introduce a Mystery about the Engineers....

You go to a Place were we get Xenomorphs, the Eggs, you can maybe have Vanilla Ones or a Alternative or BOTH.

You dont have Ripley, you dont even TRY and introduce any of her Family..

You have Humans Discover the Eggs, be it on a SHIP, on a Facility, or on a World that has FELT the Wrath of the Xenomorph!

You make it Canon but do-not interfere with whats Canon, so you DONT give any Date to HOW LONG the Eggs have been at the Place they are Located, so you dont HINT they Happened after Prometheus or Before... you simply leave this a Mystery.

You then have a SET-UP where the Next Movie you can Evolve/Change the Beast a bit... or one that takes you into Contact with the Engineers...  where with them you see a Alternative Monster...

Those Familiar with the Franchise will go and see it... the New Generation may see this as their Version of the Franchise and then be Interested (if not already) to then go and see the Original Franchise and Prequels and we can Gauge from them.. where they would maybe like to see how any Prequels could Connect.

To tackle something a bit Different and On Topic..

Then Leto i will have to say that there does seem to be a LACK of Interest in a Prequel about a Synthetic and THEMES of Prometheus...... I dont think every Fan wants to see the BACK END of the Engineers... with the OUTCOME of Alien Covenant it does make it difficult to bring them back as far as INTERACT with some Humans... by that where do the Engineers come from that will be Explored?

Stuck on LV-223 asleep? or they come to Planet 4 and then they become Pissed Off with what they Find... this Option would likely have them wanting to FIND who did this and TEAR them a New A-Hole!.... which would mean you may have to cover David..

This does not mean there is NO WAY to bring the Engineers in and Totally Ignore David and the Covenant ship.

The BOTTOM LINE is indeed Money.... and Disney are more interested in things that can make Money even if its MILKING or Repetitive..

AC should not have Happened how it DID.. they should NOT have caved in to thinking Fans NEED the Xenomorph..

They should have maybe given them a Sequel to Prometheus that would go back to LV-223 and Uncover more Horrors that are more ALIENY and Connected and more Clues to LV-426 so that the Door to ALIEN could be Closed of Sorts..

But more so that a Prometheus 2 could have gone off and NOT worry about the Need to Answer LV-426 and have Xenomorphs.

I think Alien Covenant is in a Pickle... if we continue with David and his Agenda... Fans will want those Eggs on the Derelict sooner rather than Latter.... i dont think they could SIT THROUGH... a slower Process to reach that Climax of the Derelict...

I dont see it getting MASSIVE interest to Warrant someone like Disney to take Risks...

But thats Hindsight....

Regarding the OT...

Again i said my piece... i dont think its wise to make a Alternative ALIENS Sequel with Ripley and Co... because you have TWO Problems that may not be Problems Financially and thats all that Matters..

If they do a Blomkamp ALIEN 5 and it Fails to make much and it SUCKS.... then WHERE does that leave the Franchise?

If however it goes down a STORM with the Fans and makes a Good Return, then Disney will likely MILK it to the point we have a 80 year Old Ripley who needs a Modified Power Loader to  Kick Ass and be Mobile lol

Joking a bit aside... i do think they would MILK it if its making Money and well its their Intellectual Property... so they can do that... i just FEAR they could then start to go and RETCON loads... a Prequel Reboot... eventually then a Complete Franchise REBOOT... with Cameos from Old Cast etc.

I think if Disney are Fearful a David continuation will NOT work.

Then i think they could go back to LV-223 have like a Alieny Action Flick.... New Monsters that are similar, but keep it Ambiguous as FAR as the Xenomorph... you simply DONT show them...

OR as i said before then go and do another ALIEN Movie with the Eggs but NOT from LV-426.... maybe some Eggs are on another Facility, others Ships had either Failed to Deploy them and Crashed on other Worlds... or they was Successful...   NO mention of the Xenomorph Origins/LV-426 as far as WHEN/HOW and NO giving us Ripley.

"It is ironic that you yourself indicated the reason why we no longer have prequels. Making money is very, very bad"

I certainly saw Potential with Prometheus, that made a GOOD RETURN.. my view on Alien Covenant is that it has many Flaws and i feel the David is Creator Plot is a Mistake as it does TAKE AWAY the Enigma of the Xenomorph and its also something i KNEW would upset a lot of Fans.

I think they was surprised that Alien Covenant had Failed at the BOX OFFICE i felt that being a more Direct Prequel and having Xenomorphs that it should have done BETTER... i dont think it could be put down to Everyone knowing the Plot about David and Boycotting the Movie for that Reason.  So i bet FOX was taken by Surprise at the Low Return.

So they are in a Position that ANY kind of ALIEN Movie could be a RISK... even if say in 2016 Blomkamps Alien 5 went into Production instead with a up to $100M Budget, maybe that also would not have Return a Massive Return.

Whats for sure is that i do think Despite how you could cover the Next Few Movies i just dont think the Fans (Majority) want to see another Movie about a Android and what he wants to do, Regardless if he is shown to have or NOT had created the Xenomorph.

I think the David Arc could give a Interesting Movie if its DONE in the right way, i just dont think a HIGH % of Alien Franchise Fans would FLOCK to see it... and i dont think it has enough to PULL in Casual Fans... so only those interested in Davids Arc would be Interested.

So Financially i think its a BUST!

"Just like Prometheus fans with Covenant, right?"

I dont see the Connection? apart from the bit about Prometheus Fans being disappointed with Alien Covenant, i would say the Fanbase in General to a HIGH % had felt that AC was NOT really the right move.

"A franchise will be dead if and only if it ceases to generate income"

That is Correct... my point is lets look at Alien Covenant it could be looked at giving Fans a Direct Prequel Series that will lead to ALIEN eventually and gave us the Xenomorph and THAT did not do the Trick.

My point then being that if we had a ALIEN 5 where Ripley is still ALIVE and we get the Xenomorphs back and Queen and its pretty much not different much to ALIENS/AVP...

IF and i mean IF this Project also disappoints at the Box Office, i dont expect Disney to think its WORTH the Investment on anymore... they may likely LET the Dust Settle and then maybe do a Reboot... to get a New Generation into the Iconic Monster.

"Undoubtedly, it is better to take a good film (Prometheus) and cut out all the cool and smart scenes from it."

I can understand WHY they had CUT some Scenes... others i felt the Deleted/Alternatives were BETTER... some Cuts you had to make for Pacing to get the Movie down to a Theatrical Run Time.... quite a FEW had to be Changed by Virtue of RS not being HAPPY with the Engineer vs Dr Shaw scene in that he felt it made the Engineer look Underpowered... by Re-shooting the Engineer with Face Burn makeup on... then a Number of other Scenes had to be CUT... or Re-shot!

"Or even better - stifle a competitor's project because your ego doesn't allow the neighborhood!"

You could wonder had Blomkamp and Miss Weaver Conspired to push/leak ALIEN 5 to Generate Mass Interest and De-Rail the Interest in making a Prometheus Sequel.

Certainly the LEAK did gain a lot of interest, and maybe in PART this may have made FOX think that the Fans need to have the Xenomorph back and so they began to change the Story more to what became Alien Covenant.

RS has a Ego??? Absolutely but you get that with Directors, JC is not much different.

Ridley Scott lost input on a ALIEN sequel for a number of Reasons, a ALIEN 2 would likely had been Different to ALIENS.  After the Franchise was Finished he ONLY thing that remained unanswered from ALIEN was the Eggs, the Space Jockey and Special Order 937 and RS wanted to make sure he could have his Influence on HOW they answered those.

He seemed FINE with having Xenomorphs, although it seemed he felt their was more Scope to Explore the Space Jockey and FOX felt you did-not need the Xenomorph and indeed to cover more about the Space Jockey/Engineers anyway Blah Blah Blah i best get to the Point..

RS wanted to be able to continue with the Prequels, to Carry on in Part with some ideas he had... and you can bet that he FEARED...  the Interest that ALIEN 5 was gained was seen as a Threat to him.

I would think he would have been Concerned that if ALIEN 5 was a HIT or that FOX then got the Impression that this is WHAT will make Fans Happy and make MONEY... that it could mean FOX could rather do a ALIEN 6 than a Prometheus 2.

Ridley Scott is not YOUNG.. he also would not want to be waiting Years and so he wanted to get his Prometheus Sequel done First and then WORK with Blomkamp on ALIEN 5... RS seemed to indicate that ALIEN 5 had kind of STEPPED on the Toes a bit of his Prequels.

When it comes to the BEAST is Cooked... i think he has a Valid Point...  its a case of do you Continue to Cover the PLOT of "oh look its a Egg, whats inside" and "oh look the Queen is laying Eggs"

So when i talk about the Vanilla Xenomorph i mean the Xenomorph in its Forms that we have seen in ALIEN, ALIENS, ALIEN 3 and AVP and AVPR and so i mean its the Standard Form and Format that we have seen, which we have seen over and over, it has been Covered  a lot in Games, Comics etc..

The more you go back to repeat what you have over and over then you do RISK making it become a bit of a JOKE.. well it could LOSE its Shine of Sorts... like how Jason Voorhees and Freddy Krueger had become after Constant Sequels with similar Formula...

But for some Fans thats the appeal and so for some Fans then YES having 3 New Alien movies with Eggs, Xenomorphs and Queens and maybe Ripleys would suit them FINE...

Ridley Scott just seemed to think you could EXPAND a Spin-Off about the Space Jockey and due to the PLOT you have more Scope of Many Creations, Races, Worlds and Monsters than just those EGGS on LV-426

The latter comments he had seen you can Explore the Xenomorph but you have to Evolve it and look at Different ways of Procreation.... so he either means you have to ELEVATE the Xenomorph with more to them than just Jumping from Eggs and Killing people.  Or/And that you can look at Variants of the Xenomorph that differ from the Vanilla Version we are used to.

The franchise is almost dead, they have to be very careful and avoid giving it the final blow. Probably they don't have any idea where they want to go, so they think a super hero popcorn flick, a Marvel upgrade to Aliens, would sell. They tried something with The Predator and I believe it is almost impossible to resuscitate now that franchise. Bring back Ripley and it will have the same effect, Ripley saga has ended long ago. The beast is also cooked, unless David can do something new with it. Tell us something new about it.

I know a lot of fans hate David, but I believe right now he is the only one who could give a new life to the beast. And if Ridley has some ideas on how to do it, why not allow him the chance to make us happy?

@BigDave: While all groups Engineers on Earth were fostering might not have been held accountable, you think they'd have been able to contain the pathogen when they released it in Rome and it wouldn't have spread further afield?  This plague would have been bigger than what Thucydides reported. It would have spread like COVID-19, particularly if it impacted flora as well as fauna.

>>>My Fear is ONCE they start this and if it makes MONEY where would they STOP

It is ironic that you yourself indicated the reason why we no longer have prequels. Making money is very, very bad.

It’s interesting - why haven’t we received the third film yet? Surely it's not about the money. Because the studios are only too happy to give Ridley millions on projects that cause losses. This is all a conspiracy of the Angry Filthy Alien Fans!

Undoubtedly, it is better to take a good film (Prometheus) and cut out all the cool and smart scenes from it.

Or even better - stifle a competitor's project because your ego doesn't allow the neighborhood!

And even-even better - to say that the most popular and world-famous monster is cooked.

>>>The Problem is if you dont have Xenomorphs and by that close to VANILLA Xenomorphs if you dont have them or CHANGE them too much then some Fans will be UPSET!

Just like Prometheus fans with Covenant, right?

>>>Then i think the Franchise would be DEAD!

Enough!

A franchise will be dead if and only if it ceases to generate income. And no philosophical revelations of the universe will change this.

Even the most philosophical franchise will not survive without money.

I think you can explore Different ways to Procreate and not have to have the Queen Shown..

I think at Essence the Xenomorph in its DNA has that Parasitic Origin from the Pathogen and this Trait would remain and so the Xenomorph could EVOLVE to ways that would allow the Xenomorph to Procreate in other ways.  Which the Queen would be one such way.

The Xenomorph would still have Traces of that Survival/Procreate element of the Pathogen... so it would ADAPT and Change to Survive.

I will agree that the Prequels are in a MESS....

The Xenomorph may be Tarnished and Reduced to being a Engineered Experiment that is to be USED with the intention to Eradicate any Life-Forms the Creator or those who wish to Obtain it would want.

I think Current Prequels apart.... the Xenomorph was a bit Limited, it needed to be Evolved or Uplifted... we could all think and WONDER about a more Surreal Back Story to the Xenomorph but that SHIP has maybe Sailed...

So we have these EGGS... regardless of HOW we got them i think maybe we need to do ONE of a Few Things...

1) Explore the Eggs again.... is LV-426 the only Place these Eggs were Loaded onto a Ship?  With this we DONT give any indication to the Eggs Origin, the Age... we leave it a Mystery.. so it could be from David, it could be from the Engineers we just DONT reveal it.

We just Find Eggs... or a World where these Eggs had been Deployed.... so then you have TWO options.

a) We show a Company attempt to Experiment on the Xenomorph and we see the Xenomorph Evolve beyond what it was shown to merely do in ALIENS. Is this a Natural Evolution as the Organism Rapidly can evolve as far as how we had from when we Evolved to Cave-Men to then what we are today... or is some kind of Experiment on the Xenomorph had Triggered a Evolution... by that i mean look at the New Planet of the Apes... before they Experimented with the Apes what we had was just Normal Chimps who are NOT going to Dominate the World or form a Civilization.

b) We arrive at a World that has had the Xenomorphs Unleashed on them... this could be a Engineer Colony where we DONT have any Date of WHEN this Infestation had Happened... just that these Xenomorphs have been on this WORLD for Longer than the Weeks we saw in ALIENS.

Show the Species has Adapted had the ability to Learn and become more than just a Invasive Organism that would go on to set up a Hive/Nest like Termites and Ants.

OR..... We just CUT our Loses with the Xenomorph, Enjoy the Nasty Parasitic Monster for what it was in ALIEN Franchise.

We IGNORE what David does next... leave it OPEN.. a Mystery.. we LEAVE any exploration of the Xenomorphs! DONE!

The Pathogen has the Ability to Create Monsters, that can be Similar to the Xenomorph, Neomorph just NOT quite too Close.

So you explore a WORLD where the Pathogen has been Unleashed, what would Planet 4 be like should NO-ONE had detected the Signal on the Covenant and David got KILLED by a Neomorph...

Can the Neomorph have Evolved over Thousands of Years?  I guess a Problem is the Organisms NEED a Host and IF there are NONE then its Game Over...

But the Spores/Eggs would remain.. and so what i am saying is we could go to other Worlds where the Pathogen has been Unleashed and see what HORRORS await.. give us something SIMILAR but NEVER indicate anything about the Xenomorph.

World that are infected could be Located Hundreds or Thousands of Light Years away where our Humans run into them like WAY after ALIENS... it could be 50 Years, 100 Years, 200 Years etc after Aliens on a FAR FAR away World.

OR......

So we have LV-223, the Pathogen we know this has Created stuff like Hammerpedes, Deacons, Neomorphs and the Xenomorph traces itself back to LV-223.

BUT.... what was the Basis of LV-223, was there some Organism that the Engineers had Experimented that lead to those Experiments?  Was there some Organism that the GOO was Engineered/Obtained from?

So you could also EXPLORE that and such Organisms could be more Advanced than we saw of the Neomorph and Xenomorphs..... this could be the STARBEAST.

I think maybe going back to the Xenomorph as far as its Origins if we go for David did it, or we go to show that NO he did NOT.... we could Potentially get it WORSE!

Maybe David and his Shenanigans should be the NEW Space Jockey Mystery... while we also keep the Space Jockey Mystery and we dont give any CONCRETE explanations to HOW/WHEN/WHERE the Xenomorph came from... leave it a Mystery...

I dont think that Disgruntled Fans should have their Cake and Eat it...

I think that going for the ALTERNATIVELY a WHAT IF and have like a Alternative Dimension/Universe where the Survivors on the Sulaco made it HOME and for 30 Years they Lived Happily ever After before someone decides to go and Bring Back Xenomorphs and Ripley is LIKE.. "oh no you dont"

This may please some... it will Satisfy those who LOVE their Popcorn and Power Rangers lol and to be FAIR! this is what could MAKE them Money (Disney) and i would NOT be shocked if we eventually get such a RETCON.

My Fear is ONCE they start this and if it makes MONEY where would they STOP as far as what do they Reboot... and HOW FAR would they MILK the Queen of Sorts.

I think what they NEED to do.. if we are going to just IGNORE bothering with the Prequels is...

1) We follow what Happens to Ripley 8, what STATE of Mind does she have, does she Battle with Demons of her Memories her Humanity and the Xenomorph Blood.  Does she Evolve as the Xenomorph DNA is at WAR with her Human DNA as far as HOW would she Evolve would she remain in Perfect Balance of Human/Xenomorph.

Would she WANT to have her Xenomorph DNA, would she want that Horror Eradicated, or could the Xenomorph start to RULE her.. does she become a ANTAGONIST.

What would other Human Companies want with HER, how would other HUMANS feel about her... would she be a OUTCAST?  Shunned as she is NOT really Human..

With Call does she have a Friend, they are both seen as Outcasts by Humans... what is it with the AUTONS would they Welcome Ripley.. but could they have their own Needs/Agenda?

The Problem is if you dont have Xenomorphs and by that close to VANILLA Xenomorphs if you dont have them or CHANGE them too much then some Fans will be UPSET!

So maybe you have to go and do THIS instead.

2) If Fans want Vanilla-Morphs... as in they want to see Eggs, Queens and Xenomorphs that remain close to the Franchise Xenomorphs.   Then REGARDLESS of what the Prequels have SHOWN...

What is the Likelyhood that the Derelict was the ONLY place that Xenomorph Eggs had been Loaded onto?  Was more than ONE Ship used... WHERE could these BE?

What does a World look like that has a Successful Deployment of Xenomorphs?

But the Problem you have then is some Fans would HOPE that such a Flick would go its way to RUBBISH that David had Created the Xenomorph... instead of just KEEPING it a Mystery and NOT mention nothing about WHERE they came from... this leaves it OPEN for Fans to then believe what they want, without having to FORCE it to suggest that the Prequels are a FARCE!

Some Fans may also WANT a Ripley back, or a Relative of Ripley.... oh look Amanda had a Child... this Child is now in her 60's and looks like her Grandmother!

I think that some Fans may get their Cake and Eat it and we will see a ALIEN 5 aka like Blomkamps... oh Ripley and Co are NOT Dead.

Then its a case of ACCEPT this as a Alternative Popcorn/Fan Service or for some Fans they can Accept it as a Rightful Continuation after ALIENS.

Popcorn ant bad at times, but what Popcorn will we get?

ALIENS which was NOT bad... even today for some its GREAT for others as we get Older it becomes a Good Solid Action Flick... not as Great as when we was Younger but a Good Sci-Fi Alien Action Flick.

AVP which for Popcorn fun was NOT that Bad... just Enjoy the Action and dont worry about Canon.

But then we could get a STINKER... a AVPR or The Predator kind of TURD!

If we get a BRING THE GANG BACK... a Ripley, Hicks maybe Newt Action Fest.. and this FLOPS!

Then i think the Franchise would be DEAD!

Well for a bit.... until they maybe contemplate a REBOOT of the LOT or make a NEW AVP Series.

>>>We need to Evolve the Beast beyond a Egg Laying Space Bug!

I don’t understand how Ridley Scott wants to evolve the Alien, adhering to the prequel path? How? If in the end we have to come to the first Alien?

Of course, he can evolve it in any way, but it's all useless - because in the end he will have to erase the whole evolution and put the classic Big Chap. He must either abandon the ambitions of the prequel, or clearly say that by “evolve” he means precisely the first Alien - Big Chap. But I think this may upset some Prequel Fans, who were expecting something new.

Certainly those are a MYSTERY...

They could be a PASSING on of Information down to Generations of Mankind to Different Locations after the Fall of LV-223, and so the Latter Ones are NOT passed on by Visiting Engineers.

A Logical way to look at it could be The Emissary!

If we go back 2000+ Years Ago, would EVERY kind of Civilization on Earth be UPSETTING the Engineers?

Are we going to just ASSUME that the Areas where the Middle East would MEET the Mediterranean and due to the Roman Empire Influence back then are WHY the Engineers thought they NEED to send but a SINGLE being down (Emissary). 

The Engineers Culture was say a kind of Religion/Cult with their SET OF RULES for people... It could be likely that they would SEND down more than ONE Emissary.

So others could have been Located in other Continents... after the Engineered had DEEMED for our Destruction but we saw the Failure of that then maybe some of these Emissaries had Survived and PASSED on the Starmaps to the other Cultures that are Dated after 0AD

They could be Stranded/Abandoned on Earth.

It would be likely these Emissaries would be more Familiar with Humans than Engineers, they could be Hybrids or some kind of Enhancements over Normal Humans and they could have Knowledge and Tools given to them that would come across to Ancient People as Magical/Miracles.

I think back to Good and Bad Engineers then as a Species that are similar to Humans with Free-Will then its likely they can be Good or Bad, they could have been as SUCH but changed, but they could also Turn Good/Bad.

Absolutely....

There was 5 Complexes we could see....

We cant be sure if Each Complex would Contain the Same Pathogen. By that each Complex the Pathogen may be Coded/Infused with a Different DNA if you would.

We cant rule out if Each Complex was Dedicated to Different Worlds/Species and so the other Complexes could have had Bio-Weapons intended for other Species/Worlds.

It seems that David and Dr Shaw had gone to another Complex to obtain the Juggernaught that BOMBED the Engineers in Alien Covenant and maybe the Pathogen on that Ship could have SLIGHTLY different Effect.

I think we could ASSUME that, if we look at Alien Engineers then the Engineers were Engineering/Creating 8 Variants of the Xenomorph and each would have been Different.

If you look at it from that Perspective then it makes sense to KEEP each Experiment Separate and USE different Outposts.

We see from Prometheus some Consequences of a Outbreak, such as Hammerpedes and Dr Shaws Fetus/Deacon.  With Alien Covenant we saw the Neomorph Spores.

so there is Potential that some of these Complexes could have a LEAKAGE of the GOO and something could have Evolved from this and be WAITING.

I missed to Reply to some OLD comments on this Topic..

I have realized i had USED the Incorrect Word when saying NANO SCARABS.... i used this to Explain that we had TINY Parasitic Organisms that would STORE/PASS on DNA.  The USE of NANO was Incorrect as that would mean Extremely Small.   Indeed Alien Engineers used the Term Scarabs and only described them in One Part as MOTES and so TINY Organisms like Spec of Dust.

Some Props from Prometheus indicated more about the EYE-WORM of Holloway as we saw him start to Produce more and more of these Parasites...  The EYE-WORMS could be Micro Parasites that in EFFECT had replaced the Micro-Scarabs from Alien Engineers.  The Pathogen could contain Micro-Parasites that INSTEAD had Evolved into Small Worm Parasites inside of Holloway.

With Alien Covenant the Neomorph Spores did appear to be a Swarm of Micro Parasites that had taken the Form of a Flying Insect....  again is this a By-Product of infecting a Fungi.... or is the Pathogen USED in Alien Covenant as such are TINY Parasitic Bugs.

With Prometheus being Tiny Parasitic Worms...

It could be each COMPLEX had a Variant of Parasitic Motes with the Same Objective that would INFECT with a Slightly Different Strain of DNA.

IF we instead just IGNORE trying to give some other Purpose to the Ovomorph or any Process that lead to its Creation then we can go and have a look at the EVOLUTION of the Idea of the Ovomorph.

1) STARBEAST: The Idea that evolved into Alien.

What we had was that the Ovomorph was a Spore Stage of some Ancient Alien Organism that introduced a Life-Cycle that the Xenomorph was based off.  The Spore Stage of this Organism had the Simple Process of being the Creatures way to Procreate.

It is indicated that the Starbeast was a Species that had some kind of Civilization, and they were capable of Building Constructions and Architecture of which they Built Pyramid Complexes that they would use to STORE their Spore Stages and held these Places with High Regards and Ritual.

One of these Pyramids was found near Zeta 2 Reticuli and all that remained was the Dormant Spore Stage.  Which had been encountered by TWO visiting Species (a Giant Alien Race and then Humans).

Beyond the Spore Stage what we have is a Organism who is Destructive and Horrific by Virtue of its Life-Cycle and need to Survive....  a Feral Beast.... but one that when Nurtured by its OWN kind would grow to become a Intelligent Species capable of Construction and maybe Space Travel?

2) ALIEN:  The evolution of the Starbeast Draft.

But actually not so much a EVOLUTION as our Spores/Eggs seemed to now be Relegated to a Cargo that is Carried by a ALIEN Species that we knew of as the Space Jockey.  At this point we NEVER saw any kind of Civilization from the Xenomorph just that they was being Carried by the Space Jockey.   By Virtue of some Aesthetic similarities it seems there was a CONNECTION between the Space Jockey Technology and Xenomorph.

This left it OPEN to what the Connection could be.

*Ancient Organism the Space Jockey had came across and Engineered its Technology from, and could have been using the Eggs for more than just Weapons. But they also could use them to WIPE OUT any would be FOES.

*A Engineered Weapon by the Space Jockey that would be used to DESTROY would be FOES.

*A Engineered Weapon that they had Engineered from some other Ancient Species, which they also Stole/Engineered their Technology from.

*The Space Jockey are a Enslaved Race that are USED by the Xenomorphs to Transport their Eggs so they can Populate the Galaxy.

Ridley Scott seemed to want to Uplift the Xenomorph by making it more Intelligent and actually it would SURVIVED the First Movie, having KILLED all the Crew (Cocooned/Egg Morphed them) and it would MIMIC the Voice of Ripley to LURE in more Hosts.

At latter times we had RS considered that the Xenomorph was merely a Engineered Bio-Weapon that would be used to Eradicate Life/Foes.  The Egg just being the Payload of this Biological Warfare.

3) ALIENS: The introduction of the Hive/Queen.

With Aliens we have Cameron come up with a Idea that the Xenomorph Eggs can be LAID by a Queen and the Xenomorph would go on to Establish a Nest/Hive and so they would become like Ants/Termites but Super Deadly very ALIEN and Bi-Pedal Hive Organisms.

The Purpose of the Eggs again being part of the Xenomorphs Life Cycle but with ALIENS it now added weight to these Possibilities.

*The Organism is something the Space Jockey had discovered and would USE as a Weapon due to the Parasitic/Invasive Life Cycle of the Organism, it would INFEST a World and Eradicate its Life.

*The Organism is a Engineered Weapon and the Queen is part of the Engineered Process of such a Weapon.

*The Organism is a Engineered Weapon but the Queen is a Evolution/Mutation of the Bio-Weapon.

It was NEVER really answered as to the Origin of the Organism on Screen, but RS had said it was a Engineered Weapon but the Queen is left open to be either a Determined/Coded outcome or a Mutation/Evolution.

4) PROMETHEUS: We now come to the Prequels.

While Ambiguous it is indicated that the Xenomorph is Connected to some Experiments relating to a Pathogenic Parasitic Bio-Weapon our Space Jockey (now called Engineers) had Created, likely as a PEST CONTROL for Unruly Creations... but the Movie is VERY ambiguous.

Without getting into Detail... we were left with the Xenomorph being either.

*A Engineered Creation to be used as a ERADICATION TOOL.

*A Unintended Consequence/Evolution of the Pathogen/Experiments after it had GOT out of Control.

*A Organism that the Engineers would USE as the Base for the Experiments/Re-Engineering they was Conducting on LV-223

Ridley Scott seemed to indicate the 2nd Option.

5) ALIEN COVENANT: The First Stage of a Xenomorph Origin Story.

The Xenomorph now being a Engineered Creation using the Pathogen to Incorporate Elements/Traits of Various Organisms to Create the PERFECT KILLING MACHINE.  Because its Creator a Synthetic Android was Curious about the Pathogen and Creation and Bored and decided to see if he could create a Perfect Organism.

So what we are left with as far as the PURPOSE is a Organism that is Engineered, that has the Potential to Evolve in order to Increase its Survival Chances.  a Horrific Killing Machine that UNLEASHED on a World would INVEST and Overrun the Population.

A Organism that by Virtue of its Life-Cycle and Instinct to Survive and Procreate could prove Deadly to a Worlds Life.

Basic... but kind of Limited!

Remember the Engineers on LV-223 were ready to direct the universe's most deadly WMDs on a primitive experiment, yet were still shepherding us as recent as 1000 A.D (see below).  If the ones on LV-223 were pissed we killed their Emissary, why were the others on Earth not similarly incensed?  And if the cargo had been dropped, would it take them out also?

500 A.D. – Tikal, Guatemala, Mayan classic

600 A.D. – Toro Muerto, Peru

1000 A.D. – Tula, Hidalgo Mexico, Toltecs

                 – Chaco Canyon, New Mexico, Anasazi

on the Planet LV-222 few construction of Engineers and people don't visit other of Pyramids and there could be the Eggs or other. 

Regarding the SOUND... its left Ambiguous... IT could be a Deacon that is Screaming or it could be a SOUND connected with Activating the Panel.

Regarding Deacons... it is likely that similar had existed/been created in the Past.  The Mural is ambiguous but someone who worked on it had said it was supposed to represent the Deacon.

What we have is the Black Goo in that Complex under Certain Conditions can Create something that is VERY similar to the Organism on the Mural or even that the Urns contain the DNA of the Deacon Organism on the Mural

The Fresco seems to indicate yet ANOTHER kind of Organism, one that in another Image was likely HOLDING a Egg...

This could indicate the Engineers encountered a Organism, they Witnessed its Life-Cycle and they Experimented on it with the Creation Tool (Sacrificial Goo) to Create other Organisms and when Pleased with the Result they Obtain its DNA (likely via Sacrificial Goo) and placed this in the URNS to use to Evolve other Life to take on Traits of the Organisms they had Created.

Back at the time of Prometheus... Ridley Scott had said that the XENOMORPH was a Result of what those Engineers were doing on LV-223, something from those Experiments or Outbreak had EVOLVED...

He indicated that this Happened a within  FEW Hundreds of the OUTBREAK some 2000 years ago, give or take. His comments seem to imply that about 200 Years after the Outbreak something Evolved into the Xenomorph.

He had also claimed the Deacon is a Precursor to the Xenomorph, which i would assume he does-not mean the ONE that was Born from Dr Shaws Alien Fetus. But that similar Deacons had existed Thousands of Years ago.

This has changed with Alien Covenant however.

I think in a NUT-SHELL

Alien Covenant with David could be a Re-telling of LV-223 and those Engineers.

Those Engineers on LV-223 and Sacrificial Engineer could be either Engineers who had Engineered themselves to be like that (seemed to be the case pre Alien Covenant)

This could now be that they are either a Faction who had taken the Creation Tool to Evolve themselves that way, against the WILL of the other Engineers.

Or they are a Engineered Creation like the Replicants are, and they grew FED UP of this and decided to Create something else on LV-223.

At the BASIS of the Black Goo it was Simplistic if they Stuck to what it Evolved from which was Tiny Scarabs (i used to use the term Nano... but thats the Wrong Word as Nano is very very very Tiny). What we had was a TOOL that could take DNA/Traits of a Organism and then PASS that onto others to Create a Hybrid.  But alas they Complicated it during Prometheus Edit Room.

With the IMMORTALITY aspect... i was looking at Jon Spaights pitch which was Alien 01 The Master Narrative which i dont think was ever released, we had some parts of it shown on the Furious Gods Documentary.

This seemed to indicate the Engineers had been like us in the Past, they had made many Advancements, Space Travel, Genetic Engineering, they started to NOT need the things that we do such as how we Socialize, Music, Arts and such wants/needs....  They were able to Evolve themselves to LIVE for Longer... but this was NOT enough, they was looking to TRANSCEND themselves beyond their Physical Form/Limitations..

If we look at Ripley 8 from a Scientific POV as far as what would some Scientist see with her if they Captured her... i think that ONE thing that would interest them was HOW via the Clone Process could she RE-CALL some Memories of Ripley!

You would be thinking that if you SOLVE that Riddle could you find a way to PASS ON your own Memory onto another Clone of yourself?

So i was thinking if there was a Organism that could do this, a Xenomorph Ancestor, then for Engineers who want to LIVE beyond Thousands of Years... that eventually will DIE or can be KILLED.... then if some Organism  could potentially HOLD the secret to PASSING ON the Soul/Memories Genetically that would be something to try and TAKE advantage of and Experiment on.

This is where you could RE-DESIGN the Starbeast.

".the fact that they created us and then want to kill us is stupid plot hole so you have to fill it with something"

Well its touching on THEMES of Creation, Knowledge and Free-will, and David is a Proxy for us, a History thats repeating itself.

If we look at the Bible... if Adam and Eve had not tasted the Forbidden Fruit then Mankind would have been YES SIR, NO SIR.. to GOD... much like Walter is.

David has Free-Will he has Emotions and can be Affected by how he is Treated... with Walter you can INSULT him and he wont Care, he has no Feelings or Free-Will...  With Free-Will you have a David that can Potentially become Sentient and Fail to see WHY he should be considered a Servant of his Creators..

We see that David has become a Danger.... the Right Course of Action would be to DESTROY him and on the Safe Side also get RID of all Synthetics and Advanced A.I so you dont come to the same Problem again!

Similar is what the Engineers did with us, they saw us as a Threat, that we in General will NO longer play by their Rules.  So we have similar Themes at play on Multiple Layers.

It could be Possible those LV-223 Engineers are to Planet 4 as David is to Mankind... well as a Replicant is to Mankind would be more fitting.

Going back to Good vs Evil... it seems the Engineers have Evolved and Enhanced themselves well with Prometheus, but i think regardless its a case of the Engineers have been around for Millions and Millions of Years, they likely would have gone through the Civil Unrest and Wars that Mankind has.

It would seem ODD for a Space Fairing Species to be Confined to just Planet 4 and LV-223 and so there is SCOPE for them to be on MANY Worlds that could be Thousands of Light Years apart.

These Engineers could have been in Conflict, or maybe New Conflict could arise... there are so MANY ways the Plot could be Expanded on, as its so OPEN.

GOING BACK..... to before the Prequels.

You had that Space Jockey... do you SKIP his Story, what is is Story?  He is just Carrying those Eggs but WHY?

Knowing HOW/WHEN is only PART of the Story.

WHY is whats more interesting... and this seems as a WEAPON but the its against WHO?

To then show the Space Jockey as a ALIEN Species that has NOTHING to do with us, and are at Conflict with either a Faction of themselves or another ALIEN Species.

WHEN/IF you take this route, then you have to have a PLOT to show HOW do the Humans come into Contact with the Space Jockey, and ONCE you Discover they are ALIEN in a WAR with other ALIENS... and the Xenomorph they use as a Weapon.

Then its a case of HOW/WHEN and WHERE do you Explore this Conflict and still have Humans involved.

Also HOW do the Humans Communicate with said ALIENS?

Because what you get otherwise is a Independence Day set in a World Far Far away. So the Creators/Engineers Plot was created so that there is a Reason to HOW it is that Humans can stumble upon Places where the Space Jockey are.

The only other OPTION would be Humans either by Chance/Exploration or a SOS Signal end up on LV-426 where there is another ALIVE Space Jockey or a Few at this Time...

You explain HOW those others Disappeared.... and then lead up to Special Order 937.... but then whats NEXT?

Oh Derelict and Eggs that Humans go back to over and over.. well a Few more times.

So the Engineers Plot was there to give a Reason for WHY the Humans could stumble upon something related to the Space Jockey and open up Potential to Expand into a New Area.... a BOLD PLOT..

Maybe ONE that is too Bold to do Justice.

The OT is however about a so called 50 Page ALIEN 5

I cant believe they are still trying to PEDDLE a BRING back Ripley Plot!  Have they got any NEW IDEAS? Seems NOT!

Ripley 8 was a Abomination to some, we need the Gang Back and Queens maybe again! 

From what we know from Blomkamps Alien 5 was that he had a IDEA that did-not involve Ripley but after he had discussed this with Miss Weaver while working on Chappie he had changed it to BRING BACK the Gang!

His Ideas seemed to be a Different Take on the Xenomorph, to a Degree... but bringing Ripley back in a ALIEN 3 had never Happened just seems like a Re-Hash... a MILK the COW.

ONCE... you go that route to Ret-Con something then the Door is OPEN for Disney to Reboot it all over and over and MILK it for all its Worth!

IF they are going to bring back a Ripley... i feel her Story is best Continued with a Ripley 8 Continuation... i feel AR had shown us more Potential in the Xenomorph DNA than Eggs that Pop Out our Face Huggers, that Face Rape a Victim and we get Chest Bursting etc etc.

How do you like your Eggs.... lets stick to Vanilla Sunny Side Up ;)  Well there are more USES for a Egg ;)

Well the Franchise has Changed Movie to Movie, each one had Evolved to something that Fans of the Previous One did-not like, its NOT a case of ALIEN vs ALIENS.

The Direction of ALIENS may have Disappointed some ALIEN fans for others it was a Rightful Sequel.... for some ALIEN 3 was right to bring ALIENS to a End for some they was Disappointed of the KILLING of the Cast and lack of more Monsters...  we then get to Alien Resurrection which again had people who LIKED it and DISLIKED it.

At this POINT.. you was  NEVER going to please everyone and a Prequel is always a Poisoned Chalice as you are NOT going to Please everyone as they had their own Ideas/Thoughts on the Xenomorph and Space Jockey.

I think we cant compare the Franchise to MARVEL... its different... i think with Prometheus or looking at the Space Jockey you could kind of go into Star Wars Territory but you would STRUGGLE to match it.

To go there you have to Expand more than Queen lays Eggs, Silly Space Jockey tried to use them as Weapons and now Silly Humans attempt the same and Fail!

The Franchise has taken Place either in our Solar System or in the Vicinity of Zeta 2 Reticuli (Theatrically) with Prometheus the PLOT of the Engineers could have given us MANY Worlds and Species and MANY kind of Horrors.  And it seems the Engineers are NOT just restricted to our Galaxy.

STAR WARS had taken Place in a Galaxy FAR FAR away and maybe the Humans etc speak English ONLY for our Convenience ;)

If our Engineers are Inter-Galactic Creators who have been Traveling the STARS for Millions of Years, then is the EARTH the only Place that has Humans they had Created?

So YES there was SCOPE.....

I think we deseeve at least one film that explains what the engineers from planet 4 and LV223 were doing, what is the black goo, where did it come from, how long the engineers knew about the xenomorphs for.

Holloway said: "This is just another tomb" when he enterred the controlled atmosphere room or the "head room". The urns with the black goo ampoules were probably inspired by funerary urns or by the ancient egyptians canopic jars, they must have contained xenomorph "remains".

Good Points which have been Raised before ;)

ALIEN had left some Ambiguity with our Space Jockey as far as its LEGS.. or lack of.  And indeed the Head does look more like a SKULL with a Mummified Tongue and Teeth compared to the Engineer Suits.

But the rest of the Space Jockey does-not look so Skeletal.

The Intention was 15ft Engineers, but RS did-not want to use Effects etc... The Aesthetic of the Suits and Ship where changed a bit to be LESS ORGANIC too...

Which causes some Conflict which leaves some Ambiguity which leaves ROOM for Change.

So YES they could introduce another Species as the Space Jockey ;)

With David/Walter i think what we have is either

a) David steals Walters Clothes and Cuts himself etc to look like Walter, he looks back to either see if Walter has recovered to Chase him or he knows a Xenomorph is on its way.

b) David uploads himself into Walters Body, in which case the ONLY reason he would be looking back was because of the Xenomorph.

Regarding the CODES...

Well this is a Mystery of Sorts.... are all Ships secretly embedded with Secret CODES of David, had he had a Master Plan to Hack the Companies A.I before Prometheus so he can Control all their Systems?

Could MUTHUR just be Voice Activated and FOOLED by David and then David could PROGRAM some Secret Codes.

Could David be in Walters Body and then have Access to the CODES and then be able to PROGRAM his own CODES?

Could David had Accessed Walters A.I to gain his CODES?

All of these are Options.

Regarding the Xenomorph on the Covenant, this came from Sgt Lope;)

Thus giving more Reason for the Engineers and Experiments than  just to TRY and Create the ULTIMATE KILLING MACHINE.

That's a very interesting twist, BigDave.

It gives a whole religious meaning to the crucified xeno mural from Prometheus and it could turn the base from LV223 from a military facility, to a scientific research for immortality. That would explain why the engineers from LV223 were different from the ones from planet 4, sort of xeno-engineer hybrids, like Ripley 8. And why they were so highly regarded by the ones on planet 4, they knew the path to immortality.

The black goo was the key, but if not strictly controlled it could wreak havoc. This is why the urns were in a controlled atmosphere room and the engineers were so terrified about it. It was the key to immortality, but also the death of all meat if out of comtrol.

@BlackAnt

Thank you ;)

Indeed i think this is what RS was looking at, going the Queen, Egg, Face Hugger, Chest Buster and then Xenomorph route over and over without Changing (Evolving) it a bit or giving more of a Back Story to UPLIFT the Xenomorph beyond being Space Ants/Rats... will eventually run out of IDEAS and Cremate the Beast.

In Hindsight the Prequels should have given more Respect to the Xenomorph... but even ALIEN ENGINEERS had merely indicated that they are just a Variant of a Bio-Weapon the Engineers where using and after that PLOT the only thing Different to Explore would be WHY the Engineers did this, WHAT/WHEN was it that they Discovered a Organism they had used for the BASIS of their Experiments and WHERE did they obtain their CREATION TOOL (Black Goo/Scarabs).

Then with the Engineers there was more to them than just Creating stuff to KILL.

In Hindsight... maybe the Prequels (which inc Spaights ideas) should have Elevated the Xenomorph more... some Fans suspected that (some still do now) the Xenomorph is the BASIS of the Engineers Black Goo and Bio-Mechanical Technology.

Unfortunately that SHIP has Sailed and it did-so even with Alien Engineers/Genesis.

In Hindsight with Prometheus the Connection was a bit Vague and it never had any real Xenomorph like moments as far as Attacking... Alien Covenant did... we had Neomorph and Xenomorph... in Prometheus the Equivalent we had was Space Cobra Face Rape and Toxic Avenger Fifield going POSTAL!

Now in Alien Engineers these Scenes we could see more of a Connection to the Xenomorph.... but ALAS.

With Alien Covenant the David as Creator Path does FIT with the Themes of Prometheus... but what could have FITTED just as much was David had Created something similar...

SAY THIS...

Again as with Davids Workshop and Drawings we see his Progress to this... he goes to CLAIM he has Perfected what the Engineers had attempted.

We show his Creation goes and Egg Morphs its Victims and from these we get Smaller Versions that Hatch (like the Gremlins do) and thus we BY-PASS the Queen and Face Hugger.

David has Created a potentially Superior Version.

THIS would give Clues to maybe HOW the ORIGINAL Xenomorph was Created..  The Prequels would CONCLUDE with David's Xenomorph/Creation being Eradicated and LV-223 but that one of the Engineers Attempts was Stranded on LV-426 and has Potential for Research and Re-Engineering and so Special Order 937 comes from this.

But again ALAS.

"What came first the xeno or the egg?"

A Question of which the Answer has changed over time ;)

Some Fans would have expected the Queen or unknown so we have the Chicken or Egg Question.

Seemed RS had settled on a Engineered Result so then its case of the Chicken, but then the Chicken could have came from a previous Organisms Eggs (via Experiments).

With Alien Covenant then its seems its Dr Shaw's Eggs. (well Egg Cells).

With Regards to the Immortality i was looking at it as a Pseudo by which i mean (KIND OF) yes we are talking Sci-Fi which really means its NOT REAL ;)

I can see the point about how with Prometheus we did-not see anything to suggest Immortality but it seemed to be a Set-Up of Sorts.... Ridley Scott said that Prometheus (in Part) was about IMMORTALITY and to ask where do we go when we Die.... which INDEED the Movie Never Answered....

It was a little about Faith and it was Ambiguous to give or not give any Answers, so its down to Interpretation in which i saw a Man of Science, Faced with Death had turned to the Findings of Dr Shaw and Holloway in that they are RIGHT regarding our Creators and that THEY could give him more Life.... when he DIED he said there is NOTHING.. which David wished him a Journey which is to indicate that Weyland would NOW get to know if there IS or IS NOT any After-Life.

I think the BIGGER set up was as Weyland said... David does-not have a SOUL and its then to Determine what is a SOUL if its the Spiritual Existence in Heaven when we DIE as Dr Shaw would believe then INDEED our David has NO SOUL... but then does Mankind Possess this? Do the Engineers?  It never showed us either way... i dont think it was about showing us a Heaven/Paradise.

However if a SOUL is a Collection of Memories, Experiences, that can SHAPE the kind of Person we are... Good Soul or Bad Soul then with David he could be Shaped by his Experiences and Upbringing and Treatment.  He has Memories and Experiences.

He does-not DIE... merely his Body can Fail/Be Destroyed, but his Memories/Experiences could be RECOVERED and Transferred to a NEW Body... in Essence giving him a After-Life and Resurrection.

If his A.I Brain/Storage is Destroyed then he is DEAD, but a A.I could have Back Ups that are SAVED and if these are Transferred then he again has a KIND OF like Immortality to a degree hence i said Pseudo but again it may be a Problem with me that i sometimes USE the Wrong Word, so what i really mean and should say is KIND OF.

So when i look at the Pitch that Jon Spaights had made for the Prequels, (Alien 01 The Master Narrative) it seemed the Engineers were NOT content with Extending their Lives they wanted to Transcend.. so it was like they wanted to TRY and gain a After-Life/Immortality.

Now if we look at the Movie The 6th Day then we have Scientist who can take a SNAP SHOT of our Memories, Experiences and Emotions and then UPLOAD these to a CLONED Body and thus give us a KIND OF (Pseudo i would have used but again thats maybe a Incorrect use) Immortality.

Now with David he Potentially would have what we see in The 6th Day, but it seems the Engineers never really achieved such a Feat!

What i was thinking is via the Xenomorph DNA we saw that Ripley 8 was able to gain some of Ripleys Memories, a kind of Genetic Memory Transfer we have to ASSUME that this was via Virtue of the Xenomorph DNA.

So the Xenomorph DNA must have held the KEY for how she was able to Re-Call some of the Memories of Ripley.

So WHAT i was thinking is that if the Progenitor to what becomes the Xenomorph was some Organism or something that also allowed for GENETIC MEMORY transfer, then such a Organism would be something that the Engineers would be Interested in Experimenting with to ATTEMPT to Unlock this and USE this so the Engineers could PASS ON their Genetic Memory/SOUL.

Thus giving more Reason for the Engineers and Experiments than  just to TRY and Create the ULTIMATE KILLING MACHINE.

We could then Explore the Organism that they Experimented on this and this Organism/Species is where we could introduce the UNUSED elements of STARBEAST.

But maybe we best keep it SIMPLE... and reveal that there are these Organisms that have Queens that LAY some Eggs that you could use to KILL STUFF... but the Engineers Screwed it up and Humans do so in trying to obtain it too.

In which case the PREDATORS made the BEST USE of the Xenomorph as the Ultimate HUNT.

If we only STICK to a ALIENS/AVP then its a case of HOW MANY times can we go there before its runs out of GAS?

Hey BlackAnt, to quote from the memory, when one note is off, it eventually destroys the whole symphony.

Maybe you should accept this franchise is not meeting you expectations and leave it alone, get back to Marvel, where all the fun is.

I don't understand this. We have been here for years. Now how many ways do you want me to explain the same story.

Everyone else, "Now you all freely admit to making these terrible terrible awful films and there by destroying this entire franchise. A rather expensive movie franchise that took 40 years to ruin. About 1 billion lost in adjusted dollars in ticket sales that is minus marketing of course. The majority of critics around the world corroborates the majority of how bad these films are after Aliens. For reasons unknown these movies became just horrible after they set down on LV-426 in prequels. The movies tried to resume their course by rebooting the franchise and were largely unsuccessful and these movies were self destructed by the studio's and audiences for reasons unknown!"

Not for reasons unknown! We set out to make good movies on company orders to get a good movie produced. Which eventually destroyed audiences approval of these films world wide and your expensive franchise.

Everyone else, "The fans found no evidence of any bad movies produced only worthless praise of any garbage that was produced by these studios."

Did IQ's just drop sharply while I was away! I already said these movies after Aliens are complete garbage and are not considered cannon by the original people involved in their productions that made the first two films. Do you get it. These films after Aliens are garbage. We kept making these horrible films that ruined the entire franchise.

Everyone else, "We never saw or recorded any bad films in this franchise...we love everything ever put onto film and it's all wonderful and it's these films that consistently lose money and have nothing but failure at the box office we like even more as its fan base. These are the words of our dull masses and the people unable to really critique films of any real quality correctly."

That's right look I can see where this is going. But! I am telling you that these horrible bad films exist...and if another one gets made...please you are not listening to me...Audience members went into these films and said they had terrible cinematic experiences in the millions! MILLIONS of paying customers!

Everyone else, "Thank you that will be all!"

God DMN! IT THATS NOT ALL BECAUSE IF ONE MORE OF THESE BAD SCRIPTS GETS PRODUCED DOWN HERE - WRITTEN OR ANOTHER HORRIBLE REBOOT YOU CAN KISS THIS ENTIRE FRANCHISE GOOD BYE FOR GOOD. All this fanboy BS you all consider so important you can just kiss all that goodbye!

 I have the feeling that Space Jockey is a different genre than engineers. the engineers only imitate him with their suits. you can see in Prometheus that the helmet is of biological origin because of the sagittal suture and inside you can see blood vessels. and space jockey has a mouthpiece and a tongue. for breathing on a tube connected to the chest and bones, they are withered. his arms are very long and you can see that he has no legs but the abdomen connected to the armchair. a very old being who would have to live forever had to be connected to a chair like a respirator. the creature must have been lying there dead for thousands or millions of years. only the ship and armchair are the same as those of the engineers but RS said they didn't have such a tall actor to play a 5 meter giant. and the explanation that this is a suit because it was impossible to play such a huge humanoid and inventing engineers is very cheap and fast. they are recording movies with dinosaurs and Godzilla and Space Jockey couldn't. maybe it's really a different species, God, an ancestor of engineers.

What about dating? what about the dilatation of time if they flew to the lV and 4 planets at speeds above the speed of light, how many years have passed on earth at that time? a few thousand or millions and if the harvest engineers were to arrive on earth 2000 years ago, if they had flown, they would have arrived in film time, not 2000 years ago. so if Prometheus took off then a dozen generations of people to earth will not get an answer from him or return to see their one man in life.

Hey guys! In 40:40 Prometheus movie, hear crying monster, Deacon? Did deacons or other monsters lived on LV-223 at This time? Inside pyramide see paintings on ceiling on the Engineer faithing with beast and the alien egg with claws. Od David created Eggs and xenomorphs why on paintings they are? The beast defeated by engineer Has combinesone like engineer in armchair on vessel and head and hands modified to beast. This is grandpa od all of beast from Alien serie?

As far as I remember, once upon a time, Ridley talked about Space Jockey and that he might have participated in a civil war. I emphasize - civil. And when you consider that in Prometheus and Covenant have been used some old ideas, then the idea of civil war of different fractions of engineers may take place. Who knows - maybe in the third movie?

I also remember an example about the language of engineers as: They (people, David) learned Spanish, and met with the Portuguese. Which means they arrived at the wrong place. Or in the right one, but this place was already captured by another, hostile faction. And so it may be that David arrived on the home planet of the “good” faction.

Walter stopped escape from David's lab on planet 4 and propably change him mind and took David thinking. they came back took the facehugger Eggs and escape. Look at movirle he don't run away but after one minute. He stay, turned to back, thinking. And runing from Building after minute and after Daniels turn on navigation lamp. Why he used David's code to open Hall with colonists? He thinking that he became David ? Where he gone? To Origae 6 like he said by radio? He said now him code. The Convenant ship became David ship. And ship have to be programmed to David too and system knew David's code. At the end part od movie, Mother of ship have inspection. Walter can change something in system. And how alien came to ship when Daniels killed him by excavator arm? We see, that alien borned from woman, and she staying all time on mothers ship. So and how she was impregnated by facehugger?

"epic space wars"

I agree with this. Xeno's are a passive species...mess with them and you'll feel their bite...But they aren't going to invade Earth....not going to see the headlines: "100 million dead in latest Xeno attack!!"

 Really it's twisted and difficult to understand. When Shaw met Weyland, saud that their aren't US creators and we was wrong. They want to destroy us. Why the Engineers from LV223 escaping and were poisoned by Black goo and they died? 

Alien isolation :

Short version: This game is really close to perfect but held back by a few minor things.

Long version: I absolutely loved this game. I play a lot of horror games and very few have ever kept me in a constant state of tension like this one. I really enjoyed that they made it true to the aesthetic of the first movie.

Literally the only complaints I had were the story/ending and the length.

As far as the story goes, I just didn't really care about most of the characters or their motivations, and everything could have been more fleshed out. I will say this did provide a benefit in that I was so immersed in the gameplay that the story I was playing was that I myself was trying to escape this nightmare, which actually may have helped in terms of the suspense I felt. The ending was so abrupt and anticlimactic after 30 hours of fighting tooth and nail to survive.

I also think the game was way longer than it should have been. A few of the mechanics ended up getting stale, and since I was so tense the whole time it was honestly kind of exhausting towards the end. Rarely do I complain about being given too much game, but I think the experience would have been better in a tighter more concise package.

Even with those complaints, it's one of the best horror games I've ever played.

Alien universe is not for epic space wars, there are enough epic films that make a lot of money from the same crapy superficial super heroes super special effects Marvel recipe, so watch those if you prefer that style.

So you even admit his last films did not perform well.

What the unwashed masses desire and I are two different matters! :-)

"But making David the creator of the Alien was the last straw for me! "

But what origin would make everybody happy?  (A mysterious and unsolved origin is always going to be my favorite choice.)

When ALIENS came out, I realized they were just space bugs and not something to fear, just send the marines in with some nukes and clean them out.

So the eggs and the xeno are pretty far down on my list...so I'm really fine with David or some alien scientist creating them in a lab.

Black goo and the spores are light years ahead of the eggs IMHO.

What came first the xeno or the egg?

That was crazy reading all the back and forth and forth replies.....THE EGGS THE EGGS HATCHED INTO CHICKENS with the rest of this chicken sh!t franchise and got cooked!

We need something new something fresh...the egg omelet and face huggers popping out with a side of Xenomorphs is dead too and cooked. The beast is cooked.

This franchise needed to evolve...BigDave I liked all your ideas way back in the day when you thought we should explore a tv show about the Weyland-Yutani corporation.

If we can find a segway into the larger domain of the engineers from the tv show great! But making David the creator of the Alien was the last straw for me! NOPE not even gonna go there. The plot holes they created are so big you could fit the planet through them like a yo yo bouncing back and forth...good luck cause no one can put this Alien franchise back together...and Disney let them go right ahead and do it. Most likely knowing the films would do poorly at the box office so they could buy the franchise cheaper down the road, which they did.

Bad performance =/= bad film. This is solid sci-fi with monsters.

And when you talk about large-scale films, I hope you understand that a lot of money will also be needed for this. So the film should pay off at the box office. R-movies with a big budget are very, very risky. Therefore, in order to increase the audience, you need to lower the rating to pg-13. pg-13 = no blood, no acid shower, no horrible deaths. Oh yes - the place of such a film only in the trash.