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He should have dropped some club membership leaflets first to emphasise the fun side.

The surgical removal of David from the android is much more drastic, brutal and merciless than the upload/reset/download scenario.

It also would look much more spectacular in the movie. 

Imagine the android cutting himself with a scalpel, opening the wound and rummaging in his own body in order to find the memory bank, which he wants to replace. The android could have "blood" with maroon color.

The memory bank could look similar to this device. It must be a pluggable equipment.

The idea that Engineers don't have a hand weapons is absurd. In one way or another, they will not be able to avoid a direct conflict or encounter with a dangerous organism face to face. And I doubt that they will simply to wave hands. Simply, in the films, there was no suitable situation for using weapons.

But, if Engineers go to Origae-6 to destroy David, they should use a hand weapons.

I'm not sure Engineers would engage humans. They are a creation species....probably wiped out trillions of life forms along the way.....terminating a hundred marines would be beneath them?

Same with humanity...Just nuke the Engineers 'hive'...Maybe slam a FTL asteroid into their planet.

Both have giga scale event weapons.

But I can envision the Engineers having to 'ground pound' to protect their pathogen supply?

"Engineers and their Over Powered weapons would decimate space marines and xenos."

But what if we have a PROMETHEUS Engineer.... as in a Friendly Engineer who would come to Earth to give us some Technology, maybe a Bio-Mechanical Suit we can use as PROTECTION!

He has Stolen Technology from the Gods to Aid Mankind...  but his Fellow Engineers are NOT happy and they send down a 11-12ft Super Engineer to put a STOP to it..

I wonder if that would make a Good Future Plot?

ERM......... LOL

@DK

But Joking aside...

I think Weaponry Discussions are Interesting.

In Prometheus our Engineers look like they are Genetically Enhanced compared to the Planet 4 Engineers, i am not trying to make this about the Differences though.  Just saying that Genetic Engineering seems to be a way they would use for Enforcement.

We dont know to what Extent these Modifications have, but it seems their Pressure Suits that are Infused to their Bodies is made from something that is Organic but also Very Resilient, they are also Genetically Stronger.

It would seem that Genetic Engineer is what they see as a Weapon and hence likely the Intentions that the Xenomorphs and the like would be used as Bio-Weapons.

But this TOPIC is about other Weapons, and for a Race who have Genetically Engineered maybe Super Soldiers and Horrific Beasts then you would NEED a kind of Safeguard and Protection.

So looking at the Weapons we have seen in the Drafts and Comics, i cant see WHY NOT... as in sure i think they would Posses some Weaponry and Especially Ranged Attacks.

The Power Gauntlets are interesting it seems they can Manipulate Matter/Anti Mater and are some kind of Gravity Weapon, where they Project a Force upon a Target, much like some JEDI can use.

The Plasma Riffle which it seems to be i think is more in tone with the Popcorn Comic Necessity but it makes sense as a Weapon to introduce for the Eradication of Serve Hostile Threats which the Xenomorphs would be.  And so Energy Weapons are something that i think they could Posses.

Other Weapons they could maybe use could include...

Sensory Weapons.... something like this could be USEFUL against Xenomorphs.

Dart Gun.... as in something that would Fire Dart Projectiles that are like Small Needles that act like Tranquilizer Guns and these could be loaded with Chemicals that could Stun a Target, or be used with the Black Goo.

You would think they would have Invested in Defensive Weapons to, but we can only Speculate, as it would be idea to have some kind of Weapon that would Negate/Deactivate the Effects of the Pathogen.

"Also, BigDave, no offense but let's try not to go off-topic and not turn this thread into why Engineers are smaller/different than the Space Jockey, etc, ok? "

Indeed i actually are one of those who Accept the Engineers for who they are, and only suggested in Topics alternatives to please those not happy with the Engineers ;)

so maybe they could have some kind of SHRINKING RAY GUN that can Enlarge or make things Smaller ;)  Just messing with YA!

I think Firstly i would like to look at WHY those Ships had NO Weapons if they are a Military Ship (which i think they are not)... it was likely the Engineers had Controlled the Worlds they Seed and Visit so that there is NO risk of them becoming Technologically Advanced to Pose a Threat!

Which is kind of Naive as these beings must see themselves as being the ONLY Powerful and Significant Race...  But do they have Internal Conflicts? they maybe could have a LONG TIME ago....

And so its likely they would have Possessed Weaponry at some point, and Certainly if they are aware of the Horrors the Experiments on LV-223 are about then you would need some PROTECTION!

So some ANT MAN Technology makes sense!

Just JOKING again ;)

Being Serious for a moment then for a Race of beings who are at least Millions of Years old, then in their History you would think they would have Created some Pretty Advanced Weaponry ;)

I will attempt to Break Some Down Next!

I think something to remember is that Daniels is a Problem for David, he cant allow her to Interact with the other Colonist, if she Disappears then Tennessee may become Suspicious 

But i am not so sure they would just KILL her off, i think we see that David is Sadistic and he would likely Enjoy the Fact that he is in CONTROL and i would bet he would like to Interact with Daniels and keep her Captive.

We know David does-not have a High Opinion of Mankind and a thing to look at is that HOW he was treated by Mankind is via their Upbringing and Knowledge where they view him as just a MACHINE.

A Baby is Born Innocent and its their Upbringing that would SHAPE what kind of a Person they would become and HOW they would look at certain things and view David or treat him.

I would Suspect that David would have NO use for the Colonist apart from having them SET-UP a Basic Colony, from where David could then take them out... and then Raise those Human Embryo's maybe he would Engineer them?

I think he would KEEP our Daniels Alive so she can Witness what he has done, i think that could prove to be a Downfall for him.

I think it really depends on Davids Agenda and Actions, as he could just as Easily kill Daniels and Tennessee he would have NO use for them, he could FIX the records on the Computer and give what ever Excuse he wants to the Colonist that he Awakens.

If we assume he wants to Create Xenomorphs, then i think he would use Daniels to Extract her Egg Cells to use to Produce more Xenomorph Eggs or Face Huggers, and then use the Adult Colonist as HOSTS.

It would be Horrific for Daniels to discover that she is in effect being the MOTHER to the Horrors that David is UNLEASHING.

This assumes this would be Davids main Agenda.

@NTFS

I think thats interesting but also a bit Complex, i think sure when the Colonist are awake and IF they discover who David really is... then they would want to Incapacitate him....

The Covenant Ship would likely have Walter Spare Parts, are their enough to Construct a New Body and Head?  Are these Parts Compatible with David?  or is David already in Walters Body?

so what i am saying is that would they need David? and so can they Build another Walter?

If they need the Body that David has then they would try and WIPE his Mind Clean.... if they dont then they just build another Walter...

But a KEY THING is that it would be likely that David has Uploaded himself to the SHIP Computer and so he could Download himself back into another Walter that the Colonist would Build or back into his Body after they FACTORY RESET.

And so i think such a Plot would be Highly Likely, and so i like what your saying as in they would think they have Eradicated David....   only to at a latter point, we see that MUTHUR who is now David, just Uploads himself into the Walter they are using...

So they would be Totally Unaware.... i think something like this could work... it would then give us NO reason to have Daniels or Tennessee to be Killed Off and would bring in more SHOCK when Daniels latter discovers some Horrific Experiments on the Colonist and then REALIZES that David is still around.

Certainly that seems a way to look at it, in that if it was a Naturally Occurring Organism it would be Biological, the Queen actually looks much more Biological than any Mechanical/Synthetic Aesthetic.

If we look at the Xenomorph from Alien Covenant then what we see is something that is Mostly Organic Looking, and so IF they continue with the route that this is the Precursor to the Xenomorph in ALIEN then it could look like that something Synthetic has been Engineered into the Process.

Where as the 1979 Beast was based of HR Gigers Design Aesthetic and they should also taken on board how he saw that Shared Aesthetic with the Ships in that they are GROWN and that they are a Amalgamation of Organic and Mechanical Aesthetics and that the SHIPS would Produce the Eggs thus this is WHY the Xenomorph had that Aesthetic.

So it was Truly ALIEN.

But ALAS...

But is black goo expensive to manufacture...or is it a natural resource?

We will not resist the black goo- we will demand it!

Old Black Water, Keep on Rolling.

I would be worried about a one sided affair.

Engineers and their Over Powered weapons would decimate space marines and xenos. Or they would just bomb you with black goo and wait for you to kill each other?

Probably off topic...But is black goo expensive to manufacture...or is it a natural resource?

The battle for black goo reserves maybe a storyline?

Alien series needs to up it's kill count! Star wars is killing billions, Star trek is up in the billions ...Dune is 61 billion

Alien series is 200+  humans....maybe 30 humans killed by xeno?

Before we do the Black Marker idea(I like the idea btw)..

We need to know what a synthetic mind is.... Is it organic? Just memory chips? ?  Can it be modified by a biological substance? can the memory be Uploaded, downloaded, updated.... or even changed very easily?

Is David acting crazy because he came in contact with it(black goo)?

It seems like the pathogen has been the only real weapon besides the alien itself thus far. Weaponry besides the pathogen were brains or brawn. I don't think new weapons or a time travel element would work. If the franchise is to continue, it should maybe paint itself out of its corner by chosing a direction and then stick with it- let the chips fall where they may.

The Black Marker idea is interesting and gives an even more alien and sinister aspect to the goo itself. It manipulates any creature that tinkers with it sort of like Dead Space. However, it might need its own movie to set that notion up.

My theory of a Black Marker. Like in Dead Space. The Black Goo theory.

Black Goo is striving to evolve and develop in all ways. It gives rise to many hybrid life forms, but strives only for one thing - the form of Alien.

David thinks he created Alien... And he is right! He create Alien like many many creators before him! (Like Space Jockey/Engineers) They all create the same Alien in the end.

Why? Black Goo itself "suggests" the best solutions for evolution. David thought he was manipulating the pathogen, but actually the pathogen manipulated him! His role is just to be hands.

A colony of his creations! 

But you're probably right. He may need the humans so he can gloat over them...... show them his brilliance! 

David "Bow before your master!"

As it stands now: David created the pod that opened on Kane?

Logic says: Space Jockey was chestburst by a queen  (or a tiny little David that pops out and builds a lab that produces the eggs...)  who laid the eggs?  

 I don't imagine David travelling around the galaxy planting egg pods on random derelict alien spacecraft.

David "One must have hobbies.."

I can conceive David returning to Lv-223 in a juggernaut(probably knows the location of many Engineer colonies He's already visited 2 planets with these ships!)

I'd just like to hear one solid argument for David planting the eggs and I could die happy!

I just don't see David waking any crew members. 

David seemed to be interested in the colonizing mission.

- David(Walter) will wake up the crew according to plan when they arrive at Origae-6.

I just don't see David waking any crew members. He may wake one or two after he's infected them? But I don't envision David washing anyone's feet again.

David might as well remove the crew's hands and feet...So they'll give him trouble. He is only using the humans as nutrient sacks anyway. Why allow them to push buttons our pick up weapons?

BUT...I could imagine MUTHUR trapping him in a airlock or section of the Covenant(if she determines he's a threat), then waking the crew herself?......But David has probably disabled her higher functions. 

Daniels is FULLY AWARE of who David is...

HOW does a Sequel Continue?

Answer: David will trick the people.

- David(+Walter) will wake up the crew according to plan when they arrive at Origae-6.
- Daniels will start a tirade against David, because he attacked her before.
- Tennessee and the others decide to replace the memory bank of the android. This is a hardware replacement, which requires a simple surgery.
- They cut open David and replace the memory module. Both Daniels and Tennessee are in the room during the operation. The surgeon gives David's memory bank to Tennessee who puts it into his pocket. Tennessee goes to an airlock, throws the module into it and lets the vacuum suck it out from the ship. David's memory module disappears in the endless space.
- From this moment the android will be referred as Robert. They will fix Robert's hand as well.

The story continues ... and the humans will get into trouble on Origae-6.

- David anticipated the memory replacement and he has created a backup of his own self and hid the memory on the ship.
- He has also left some clues for his later self where to find the module. (Mother informs Robert that someone has sent him a message. Who sent the message? An android with the same serial number. That is interesting.)
- Robert finds the memory module, cuts himself open in a rather crude manner and installs the backup memory into his body. 
- From that moment the android will be David (+Walter+Robert) again.
- Daniels and the others will not have the slightest clue that David(+Walter+Robert) is back. Except David innocently smiles at Daniels once...

The story continues with David...

An android performing a surgery on himself... Is not that cool?

Katherine Waterston and Danny McBride are good actors. It is not a good thing to waste them because the scriptwriter temporarily ran out of ideas.

@Gavin In your proposal David could find a way to go back in time to place the eggs on LV-426 and being chestburster. This would be controversial but I propose for him to be also crucified on the cross first to offend even more people.

A bit off-topic, but . . . :)

I take it then that when we’re talking “biomechanical” we mean the gigeresque aesthetics (the look) not whether the xenomorph is biomechanical in itself?

If the xenomorph is created, engineered, it could be a mixture of organic and synthetic components but if the creature is a species it would be purely organic, biological (but with a mechanical look).

Well Katherine had indicated she had heard they planned some INTERESTING things for her.... but then she did also say she could just as easily end up in a Body Bag (or similar).

So i think she was aware of some of the Plans, and so it could be that she would have had a ROLE to play, but then she also then points out that she could just as easily be KILLED OFF....  this is a Acknowledgement that things can Change by the Time any Sequel gets made.

So she is hinted towards what happened with Rapace, as she appeared to be SET UP to play a Important Role in the Sequel to Prometheus, but by the Time ONE had got the Go Ahead... she was KILLED OFF.... so Waterston is just indicating that Nothing is Set in Stone as far as her Characters Future.

A Set Up from the Advent was that all David has to do NOW is Perfect his Queen.  And Fans will Automatically think that David will Create a Queen... maybe a Literal One.. but they may be VERY Mistaken.

David also said to Daniels he will do to her what he did to Dr Shaw... and some Speculate that is to RAPE her as he did then TRY and kiss Daniels..

We see NO Evidence he Raped Dr Shaw, we can only go by what he attempted to do to Daniels after he said to her he will do the same with her as he did to Dr Shaw. (thats not to say he never tried to be Sexual with her though).

What we do see that had happened to Dr Shaw was she was Mutilated and its Indicated that she had Performed a Great Role in HOW it was that David managed to Perfect his Xenomorph Eggs.

His Drawings, well some indicate different things that he had done or Dreamed of doing to Dr Shaw.. these seem to indicate her being Evolved into something more than Human and Birthing Xenomorphs.

It seems that Dr Shaws Reproductive Cells/Organs had been used in Davids Experiments.

We only have to cast our minds back to Prometheus, and imagine if David wanted to know what would have became of Dr Shaws Fetus?

And so we can Imagine he could want to Replicate the Experiment...  which really leaves us with 3 Ways that she became Pregnant.

1) Holloways Infected Sperm would Infect/Fertilize her Egg Cell.

2) The Pathogen (or worms from in it) would Infect/Fertilize her Egg Cell.

2) The Pathogen (or worms from in it) would use her Womb to Gestate.

What we see in Prometheus is she Survived... and so IF David knew HOW she was infected, he could say if he had the Med-Pod, he could Infect her Again, and Remove the Fetus, and Repeat this a Number of Times before she Finally Dies!

So she was the MOTHER to the Trilobite that would then Implant a Deacon Embryo.

With Dr Shaw if her Egg Cells are what was the Basis for those Ovomorph's then she would be kind of a Queen, well the MOTHER to those Eggs.

And so INDEED i think this would be in Part what Davids plan is, to USE her (Daniels) to Produce/Perfect the Creation of Eggs...

Maybe he could EVOLVE her..

@chli

Certainly you could consider that we are Bio-Mechanical, we are a Machine, just Organic... this is referenced in the Drafts to Alien Covenant in that the Engineers had attempted to make Good Machines (as in Humans).

In context to the Franchise, when i bring up Bio-Mechanical i mean as in something that has that HR Giger Aesthetic....   SPECIES series also has this Aesthetic.

To me the 1979 Xenomorph looks more like its 70% Organic, and the Rest somewhat Mechanical to a degree.  With Aliens the Xenomorph appeared to me more like 80% Organic, and it gave the impression it was more of a Exo-Skeleton Alien Organism like say Insects, Arachnids and Crustaceans

with the other Movies that Followed the Xenomorph started to appear more and more Organic.

"I wonder how they expected to transfer everyone to the surface of Origae 6? 10 at a time(in the now destroyed lander)? The cargo hauler can hold 4 or 5?"

It seemed the Ship was Modular and so likely the Cabin Compartments could be Separated and taken down with the Loader/Lander.   This would leave us with a Skeleton of the Ship that would Contain the Bridge and Control Section and Propulsion etc.

So indeed without that other Lander, you could Speculate that they would be Stranded...  what we would get then would be a Horror on a Space Ship, which we already saw with Alien and the Last Scenes of Alien Covenant.

Someone had pointed out on here that the Origins Novel indicates the Covenant Ship can Land on a Planets Surface.

Certainly there are Good Points regarding what the Space Jockey/Derelict scene came across as.... It was a Enigma for sure.

It is something that has Evolved over the Years though from the Beginnings that would have been more Lovecraftian to what seems so FAR away from such NOW... (thanks to Alien Covenant).....

If we cast our EYES back to ALIEN then we was left Wondering about the Pilot, the Ship and that Cargo.... and WHAT the Connection was....

Starbeast gave us a Giant Alien Race who just happened to come across this World and Curiosity Killed the Cat as they Entered the Pyramid and attempted to take a Part of the Starbeasts Life-Cycle to Study....

By the time this Developed to Alien there was what must have been a Connection between the Xenomorph, the Ship and the Pilot as they had kind of a Shared Aesthetic.  As now this Giant Alien Being had amassed Thousands of Starbeasts if you would in the Cargo Hold.

For quite some time it was indicated by Ridley Scott that what was being shown was a BIO-WEAPON... it was a bit Ambiguous, as we could argue was it something Discovered that was USED as a Bio-Weapon just as the Weyland-Yutani Company would do IF they had obtained the Organism.

The Prequels had came along to help Solidify that by showing us the Xenomorph was a Engineered Bio-Weapon, and with Spaights work it appeared to indicate it was Re-Engineered from something else they Discovered....   Prometheus made it very Ambiguous only showing us they had the Black Goo that had similar Traits and was used as a Bio-Weapon.

At this point then Gavin as you said, there could be Various Xenomorphs around, but likely as Engineered Variants but thats not to say some could EVOLVE on their own as its a Very Adaptive Organism....

The Black Goo and Evidence of Experiments on LV-223 could also had opened the Door to many Variations..

But we was still NOT shown HOW it connects 100% to the Xenomorph, or from what Origin/Connection the Black Goo would have...

In HINDSIGHT....

They could have gone and introduced a TALLER more Ancient Species that had Attempted to Destroy the Engineers, but Succumbed to one if their Cargo.. some Many Many Thousands of Years ago..

The Engineers then Reverse Engineered their Technology, and had also Re-Engineered and Experimented on the Cargo to Create the Horrors on LV-223

The Engineers could have been Permitted the Technology, they could have had some Created for them and they PERFORMED a Purpose for some other Species before they Rebelled and this Triggered the other Species to Attempt to use the Xenomorph on them...

I think such Revelations would have gone some way to Appease a lot of Fans!

But then we GOT ourselves Alien Covenant.... which has Taken the Enigma and Lovecratian Horror away from the Xenomorph and also the Space Jockey Race too... as far as Engineers...

We can all WISH we could UNDO certain things, or just Choose they NEVER happened.... or Clutch at Straws in the Hope we get a REBOOT or a Sequel that would Clearly show us things that would please Fans....

Maybe its TIME to just MOVE ON?

Accept Things......  and so Accept those Eggs, that Pilot are maybe NEVER going to be what most of us would have wanted!

HOWEVER... all is not LOST!

Because we still have to ask about a ORIGIN.. if the Xenomorph is a Bi-Product of the Black Goo and Various Experiments, i think we can still ask to WHERE did this all come from?

Where did the Derelict/Juggernaught Origins come from?

So we can go back to a ORIGIN that these all Stemmed from another Species that we can Explore in more of a Lovecraftian Way.... a Introduction of the Starbeast Species!

I'd tease the surface.....beautiful green world.

You're stuck in orbit(David/Daniels and Tee took the cargo hauler and are missing) ...No way to get to the surface. Cargo hauler is beyond repair....You can't 'land' the Covenant. (It's not like the Prometheus spacecraft....where you could land, jump out and go for a stroll.)

You have a thousand humans trapped in orbit.

Probably have to call for help? (Capt. Dallas in the area? )Maybe the Nostromo(with a different crew + Ash)

How frustrating would it be? Your final destination is just out of reach. have to turn back and find the nearest Earth colony? Or hope the space marines arrive within a couple of years.

I wonder how they expected to transfer everyone to the surface of Origae 6? 10 at a time(in the now destroyed lander)? The cargo hauler can hold 4 or 5?

I'm with Gavin on this one.

I really don't care about Tee and Daniels.

They both feel cut in half after losing their spouse and I really don't want to watch them finding new ones.

I'd care about Daniels...If David uses her to create a biomechanical being and she ends up shredding him(and the crew).

@chli, Giger popularised ‘biomechanical art’ in the 1970s, so within the context of Alien I think we know what we’re talking about. His distinctive style throughout Necromonicon depicts creatures that are clearly biological but  have the texture and form of being machined. You could say that something as ordinary as a crab meets the basic requirements of being biomechanical, but Giger’s depictions usually have a lustrous grey metallic sheen that often blends into parts that look machined or carved from ceramic or metal.

More landscapes

"The problem of getting a "Lovecraftian" alien movie, in the sense that it's "cosmic horror of the unknown", is that everything about the xenomorph is known to us"

...only if we continue to use the tropes established thus far.

As I keep saying, the Alien franchise was built on the back of Aliens, the ideas introduced in Alien have all but been forgotten.

The Alien from the first movie is distinctly different to the Aliens in Aliens and beyond, which opens two possibilities IMO...

1 - There are many different variants of the Alien, and/or

2 - The Alien is uniquely and infinitely adaptable.

If we hold #2 to be true then nothing about the Alien is known to us, only the specimens we have had limited exposure to.

This IMO is where the future of the franchise lies; with revealing that the Alien is not just a eusocial or otherwise bioweapon but something incomprehensible, something truly unknown and unquantifiable, and therefore truly a Lovecraftian terror.

Biomechanical

I think there is a problem with the concept of “biomechanical”. There are, at least, two ways to look at this:

1. It’s just the look of the xenomorph (aesthetics).
2. The xenomorph is a blend of biology and mechanical parts.

In actual fact, most biological lifeforms contain mechanical parts, e.g. skeleton. On the other hand, “mechanics” can also be a craft where you create “living” things in a lab from chemical and electrical components.

To me, the original alien monster looked pre-eminently biological: drooling jaws, secretion, eggs, procreation (through hosting), instincts etc.

Furthermore, we have robots, synthetics, androids, replicants, cyborgs (some humans are, in fact, a blend of biological and synthetic parts: pacemakers and artificial hearts) etc.

I think we need a clarification of certain key concepts in order to have a meaningful discussion . . . But perhaps in another thread . . . :)

Well i have not read the Covenant Origins Novel....

It seems it is a Distant Planet that they have Vetted, and so maybe some kind of Telescope like Detection, that results in a Probe that is Sent out that sends back Readings to Indicate its a Ideal Candidate and then the Covenant Mission is then Commissioned.

I think we can Safely Assume this World would be Perfectly Habitable as in they would NOT need any Space Suits.

But it would be a World that is NOT as Perfect as Earth, but one where over Time the Planting of Vegetation, Trees would make it much more like Home ;)

I would Speculate maybe its mainly some kind of Savannah or Steppes type Location.

I would even consider calling the Human Ship that would be arriving if we went for a Plot set after the Covenants Ill Fated Expedition on Origae-6, i would consider calling the other incoming ship the USCSS Savannah or even the USCSS Magellan

Here is maybe what Origae-6 could look a bit like as the Covenant looks to find a Place to Land.

I think i will Bump this Thread with a Idea!

Earlier on i was thinking about HOW can we introduce another Franchise Movie....  So i have came up with a Broad Idea... i just will think of how to Flesh it Out.

Alien: Marauder

The Basic Idea is to have a Plot that would Surround a Group of Space Pirates, were they will attempt to Raid a Ship... only they soon WISH they had not.

*Its a case of do they Hijack a Research Vessel that is Carrying a Cargo? (a ship that has a Small Crew).

*Do they discover a Ghost Ship (No Survivors) that has succumbed to its Cargo?

*Do they discover a Distress Beacon and they detect the Ship is in Trouble with Little Crew Left and would be on the Verge of being a Ghost Ship, they pretend they will come to Help but they are looking to Plunder?

*Do they NOT intercept a Human Ship? (then i am not a Fan of intercepting a Engineer one).

We then need to ask...

*Is the Cargo Xenomorph Eggs/Face Huggers?

*Is it some other related Organism? (Deacon, Neomorph or something New).

*Is the Cargo merely Black Goo Ampoules?

So its a case of me thinking about what is the Cargo, and in what State is the Ship the Pirates attempt to Hijack.

Then i guess i have to ask...

*Does this take place on the Ship, so is the Ship they attempt to Hijack Large?

*Does the Ship End up crashing on a Outpost/Colony after things go to Pot and the Movie takes place in the aftermath?

*As above but its the Pirates Ship that takes the Cargo, and then they Succumb to it, and End Up landing on a Outpost/Colony?

The Time-Frame really depends on which of these i go for...

*It could be a Ship with Black Goo, that has Left LV-223, or Planet 4 or Origae-6.

*It could be a Ship with a Organism (not Xenomorph) from LV-223, Planet 4 or Origae-6.

*It could be a Ship with Xenomorphs Obtained from LV-426 at some point prior or after ALIENS. (or from Planet 4/Origae-6).

*It could be a Ship that is Carrying the Ripley 7 Failed Clones, Hybrid Queen.

I would usually spend some time to think which of these to use, and sometimes Mix/Match to come up with say 2-3 slightly Different larger Synopsis/Basic Draft/Concept.

But it would be Interesting to see which you would like the Sound of, or Feel Free to offer some Alternatives ;)

How did the Covenant get the information about this system? Probes, Space telescope, Space truckers?

Kind of cool if they were fed erroneous info ...and the planet is just a rock(Mercury or Venus type)...or not there at all.

So I vote Venus type and David has to question MUTHUR and the crew.

"The studio can produce large number of Alien tragedies as long as they create a meaningful story around this mystical even mythical creature."

I had put something maybe similar in my Origae-6 thread, which is to Ponder what Origae-6 would be like and what could happen next...

I pondered what if the World had Remnants of a Long Lost Civilization that had Disappeared MANY MANY Thousands of Years ago....   so the Covenant Colony discover some Ancient Ruins, and start to do some Archeological Digging.

They Discover Giants, and a Serpent, that could be some kind of Ancient Hammerpede like Organism.

Dr Huang

What a discovery, we have found who must have lived in those ruined buildings, look at the size of them.

Dr Philips

Certainly when Jacob had invested a lot of time on the vetting of this World, we would never had imagined it had been previously inhabited.

Walter

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to

Dr Philips

I never knew you was interested in Religious Quotations Walter, indeed it appears we have found evidence of such Giants.

Walter

This was something Dr Shaw was interested in

Dr Philips

Who?

Dr Huang

She was a fellow Archeologist, she had studied the connection of Archeological Evidence and how it connected to possible Extra Terrestrials being the influence for our Myths and Religions.

I never knew that you had a interest in her work Walter.

Dr Philips

I wonder what this Giant Serpent was.

Walter

We have sinned, because we have spoken against the LORD and you; intercede with the LORD, that He may remove the serpents from us.

Dr Huang

SMILES at Walter

I doubt this was any kind of Punishment

Walter

well the Gods dont take too kindly on rebellion and betrayal

Dr Philips

This other Skeleton seems to have its Rib cage broken, likely from some Internal Trauma

Walter

The wicked are estranged from the womb; These who speak lies go astray from birth. They have venom like the venom of a serpent; Like a deaf cobra that stops up its ear,

Dr Phillips

What do you mean by that?

Walter

Maybe their Blood is Tainted, a Poison running inside, born of wickedness and so wickedness shall be born from them.

After they Uncover Skeletal Remains of this Serpent, they do latter Discover a Alive One!

I think that the Intention would be to go to Origae-6 and i think this World would be similar to the Opening Scene in Prometheus or it may be a bit more of Arid Dry World, as far as more like some of the Dryer Places on Earth.... like Middle East, some places in Africa, or Dry Parts of Australia etc.

So its not going to be as Lush and Wonderful as Planet 4 looked, or the Ancient Amazon, or Canada, or say Fertile Green Places in the USA or Europe.

"what kind of a World would David Create"

That was a KEY CLUE.... also it would not had been about Xenomorphs.... it would be about AI... but we have to remember that RS also said he saw the Replicants as AI

David had said he would TUCK IN the Children.. in regards to the Embryo's and so i am drawn to those playing a more Important Role.

David had seemed to do well in Creating something Superior to the Engineers Efforts with the Black Goo, his Xenomorph compared to the Deacon and the Neomorph.

What if he then wanted to see if he can create a Superior Humanoid?   If he would try and APPLY some Traits from his Experiments to them?

I suspect this would be the Case, he Creates a Superior Human Species, he LIES to them about their Origins.. EARTH, and from Human Embryo's

other Humans Turn up, and Revelations are revealed to those Humanoids about their True Origins... things go to POT, they show signs of Rebellion and then David has NO CHOICE but to Unleash his WOLF on his LAMBS and Humans.

His Humanoids + Xenomorph makes a even more Evolved Variant, we are CLOSER to the Xenomorph.

Engineers then ROCK UP.... and they see the Potential in what David had done to those Humans and the Xenomorph and i feel the Engineers would then look to take these to LV-223 where they can then EVOLVE them Further.

I would assume that then we are introduced to some more Advanced Synthetics that are Part Organic and these then become INFECTED and Further Evolve the Beast to we then END UP with the Bio-Mechanical Fiend from the Franchise.

"The problem of getting a "Lovecraftian" alien movie, in the sense that it's "cosmic horror of the unknown", is that everything about the xenomorph is known to us . . ."

I think this is Exactly the thing they was thinking about when they decided to give us PROMETHEUS... because its ONCE you go and Answer the Xenomorph Origins, then you show the Beast a few more times.... its WHERE NEXT?

IF the Xenomorphs Origins were Explored in a more Lovecraftian way, so we look at it more like it was in STARBEAST, then yes you could go off on a "cosmic horror of the unknown" type Spin Off.

The other was to Explore the Space Jockey connection to it, which had the Potential to go off on a "cosmic horror of the unknown" with Sequels... but with Alien Covenant it looks more unlikely that exploring the Xenomorph or the Engineers will END-UP anything like that Lovecraftian Nightmare.

I think the Beast could be explored in a Sequel that goes to Origae-6 it really depends on HOW they do this.

I already think going for covering the Xenomorph was a MISTAKE for a Sequel to Prometheus, i think to continue with it would likely be just as much a Disappointment as it could be a change to Revitalize the Beast!

Its a Pickle.....

But when we look at what was so Lovecraftian about ALIEN i dont think the Xenomorph Aesthetically has to be the BEE ALL THAT ENDS ALL.....

What i am saying is IF we had ALIENS as the First Movie, i dont think it would be that "cosmic horror of the unknown" not really...

Then if they gave us the Prequel to ALIENS which was ALIEN then when you see where those Eggs came from, and see that Derelict on LV-426 in more Detail, and the Interior of the Ship, the Pilot Room, the Egg chamber then that would get us more closer to Lovecraftian.

I think while HR Gigers Xenomorph is Iconic it has been Cooked quite  a bit.... and by Virtue of the Black Goo you could introduce various other Lovecraftian Horrors.

I think a lot of Fans Lament for Xenomorphs, not all would want a Camerons Queens flick, but i am sure other would like to see something more about the Xenomorphs... but they are really BUGGED by the idea that David Created the Xenomorph!

So i think maybe having Oriage-6 hold a Deadly Secret, well that its not Entirely Uninhabited would be something i think Fans may like...

What if they Encounter a Hostile Organism eventually?

This Organism is then seen to when David Unleashes a Face Hugger on it.... and this Produces a Hybrid that is closer to the Xenomorph from Alien?

So it would indicate that the Xenomorph from ALIEN comes about when Davids Creation is mixed with something else he had NOT created?

I had said before that another OPTION would be that the Engineers Return and see Davids Creation, and they then take it to LV-223 and Re-Engineer it to the Xenomorph we all know from LV-426....  making David only the Middle Man.

I think the CLOSEST we could get to a Lovecraftian Horror now can only really come from..

1) Back to LV-223 and explore other Temples, and get a bit more Information on the Black Goo and the Relevance of the Murals and Frescos.

2) Introduce another Species above the Engineers, that have a more Lovecraftian Theme to them.

I cant see how either would APPLY to this Topic though as far as what would Origae-6 be like and what would likely happen on it.

I will give what i think would have Happened though Next.

< First AVP was a good adventure movie

Since when was the first AVP an adventure movie? It had the plot of a standard SYFY Original movie plot = your average B movie

"The script may ready by now."

It would be interesting to see how FAR they got with any Scripts...

I wonder when Ridley Scotts TV Series Raised by Wolves is released if he may give some indication of the Alien Franchise Future in Interviews.

At this Moment i do think that IF we get a Prequel Continuation then i feel it would likely be something that would be back to the Drawing Board or Certainly Changed a lot to Please Fans... compared to what the Direction may have been intended as of say SUMMER 2017

I would not rule out that we arrive on Origae-6 in the  Year 2115 with a Incoming Human Colony Ship with supplies and the Ship is expecting to Arrive at a Colony the Covenant should have began setting up...

They arrive in the aftermath of what ever David had intended and its gone to POT!....  were we see David as just a Head! or Broken/Damaged.

Hell Breaks Loose..... maybe the 3rd Act we see a Weyland-Yutani Military Ship arrive..   We will have Eggs and Xenomorphs...

Then a Sequel would be the Weyland-Yutani set up a Study/Outpost on Origae-6 and then the Engineers Rock up in the 2nd Act.... and the 3rd Act would lead us to ALIEN.

Engineers then Bugger Off with the Eggs, intend to take them to LV-223 and things go to POT!

Weyland Yutani discover the Eggs had ended up on LV-426 and set up Special Order 937