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Certainly there are Good Points regarding what the Space Jockey/Derelict scene came across as.... It was a Enigma for sure.

It is something that has Evolved over the Years though from the Beginnings that would have been more Lovecraftian to what seems so FAR away from such NOW... (thanks to Alien Covenant).....

If we cast our EYES back to ALIEN then we was left Wondering about the Pilot, the Ship and that Cargo.... and WHAT the Connection was....

Starbeast gave us a Giant Alien Race who just happened to come across this World and Curiosity Killed the Cat as they Entered the Pyramid and attempted to take a Part of the Starbeasts Life-Cycle to Study....

By the time this Developed to Alien there was what must have been a Connection between the Xenomorph, the Ship and the Pilot as they had kind of a Shared Aesthetic.  As now this Giant Alien Being had amassed Thousands of Starbeasts if you would in the Cargo Hold.

For quite some time it was indicated by Ridley Scott that what was being shown was a BIO-WEAPON... it was a bit Ambiguous, as we could argue was it something Discovered that was USED as a Bio-Weapon just as the Weyland-Yutani Company would do IF they had obtained the Organism.

The Prequels had came along to help Solidify that by showing us the Xenomorph was a Engineered Bio-Weapon, and with Spaights work it appeared to indicate it was Re-Engineered from something else they Discovered....   Prometheus made it very Ambiguous only showing us they had the Black Goo that had similar Traits and was used as a Bio-Weapon.

At this point then Gavin as you said, there could be Various Xenomorphs around, but likely as Engineered Variants but thats not to say some could EVOLVE on their own as its a Very Adaptive Organism....

The Black Goo and Evidence of Experiments on LV-223 could also had opened the Door to many Variations..

But we was still NOT shown HOW it connects 100% to the Xenomorph, or from what Origin/Connection the Black Goo would have...

In HINDSIGHT....

They could have gone and introduced a TALLER more Ancient Species that had Attempted to Destroy the Engineers, but Succumbed to one if their Cargo.. some Many Many Thousands of Years ago..

The Engineers then Reverse Engineered their Technology, and had also Re-Engineered and Experimented on the Cargo to Create the Horrors on LV-223

The Engineers could have been Permitted the Technology, they could have had some Created for them and they PERFORMED a Purpose for some other Species before they Rebelled and this Triggered the other Species to Attempt to use the Xenomorph on them...

I think such Revelations would have gone some way to Appease a lot of Fans!

But then we GOT ourselves Alien Covenant.... which has Taken the Enigma and Lovecratian Horror away from the Xenomorph and also the Space Jockey Race too... as far as Engineers...

We can all WISH we could UNDO certain things, or just Choose they NEVER happened.... or Clutch at Straws in the Hope we get a REBOOT or a Sequel that would Clearly show us things that would please Fans....

Maybe its TIME to just MOVE ON?

Accept Things......  and so Accept those Eggs, that Pilot are maybe NEVER going to be what most of us would have wanted!

HOWEVER... all is not LOST!

Because we still have to ask about a ORIGIN.. if the Xenomorph is a Bi-Product of the Black Goo and Various Experiments, i think we can still ask to WHERE did this all come from?

Where did the Derelict/Juggernaught Origins come from?

So we can go back to a ORIGIN that these all Stemmed from another Species that we can Explore in more of a Lovecraftian Way.... a Introduction of the Starbeast Species!

I'd tease the surface.....beautiful green world.

You're stuck in orbit(David/Daniels and Tee took the cargo hauler and are missing) ...No way to get to the surface. Cargo hauler is beyond repair....You can't 'land' the Covenant. (It's not like the Prometheus spacecraft....where you could land, jump out and go for a stroll.)

You have a thousand humans trapped in orbit.

Probably have to call for help? (Capt. Dallas in the area? )Maybe the Nostromo(with a different crew + Ash)

How frustrating would it be? Your final destination is just out of reach. have to turn back and find the nearest Earth colony? Or hope the space marines arrive within a couple of years.

I wonder how they expected to transfer everyone to the surface of Origae 6? 10 at a time(in the now destroyed lander)? The cargo hauler can hold 4 or 5?

I'm with Gavin on this one.

I really don't care about Tee and Daniels.

They both feel cut in half after losing their spouse and I really don't want to watch them finding new ones.

I'd care about Daniels...If David uses her to create a biomechanical being and she ends up shredding him(and the crew).

@chli, Giger popularised ‘biomechanical art’ in the 1970s, so within the context of Alien I think we know what we’re talking about. His distinctive style throughout Necromonicon depicts creatures that are clearly biological but  have the texture and form of being machined. You could say that something as ordinary as a crab meets the basic requirements of being biomechanical, but Giger’s depictions usually have a lustrous grey metallic sheen that often blends into parts that look machined or carved from ceramic or metal.

More landscapes

"The problem of getting a "Lovecraftian" alien movie, in the sense that it's "cosmic horror of the unknown", is that everything about the xenomorph is known to us"

...only if we continue to use the tropes established thus far.

As I keep saying, the Alien franchise was built on the back of Aliens, the ideas introduced in Alien have all but been forgotten.

The Alien from the first movie is distinctly different to the Aliens in Aliens and beyond, which opens two possibilities IMO...

1 - There are many different variants of the Alien, and/or

2 - The Alien is uniquely and infinitely adaptable.

If we hold #2 to be true then nothing about the Alien is known to us, only the specimens we have had limited exposure to.

This IMO is where the future of the franchise lies; with revealing that the Alien is not just a eusocial or otherwise bioweapon but something incomprehensible, something truly unknown and unquantifiable, and therefore truly a Lovecraftian terror.

Biomechanical

I think there is a problem with the concept of “biomechanical”. There are, at least, two ways to look at this:

1. It’s just the look of the xenomorph (aesthetics).
2. The xenomorph is a blend of biology and mechanical parts.

In actual fact, most biological lifeforms contain mechanical parts, e.g. skeleton. On the other hand, “mechanics” can also be a craft where you create “living” things in a lab from chemical and electrical components.

To me, the original alien monster looked pre-eminently biological: drooling jaws, secretion, eggs, procreation (through hosting), instincts etc.

Furthermore, we have robots, synthetics, androids, replicants, cyborgs (some humans are, in fact, a blend of biological and synthetic parts: pacemakers and artificial hearts) etc.

I think we need a clarification of certain key concepts in order to have a meaningful discussion . . . But perhaps in another thread . . . :)

Well i have not read the Covenant Origins Novel....

It seems it is a Distant Planet that they have Vetted, and so maybe some kind of Telescope like Detection, that results in a Probe that is Sent out that sends back Readings to Indicate its a Ideal Candidate and then the Covenant Mission is then Commissioned.

I think we can Safely Assume this World would be Perfectly Habitable as in they would NOT need any Space Suits.

But it would be a World that is NOT as Perfect as Earth, but one where over Time the Planting of Vegetation, Trees would make it much more like Home ;)

I would Speculate maybe its mainly some kind of Savannah or Steppes type Location.

I would even consider calling the Human Ship that would be arriving if we went for a Plot set after the Covenants Ill Fated Expedition on Origae-6, i would consider calling the other incoming ship the USCSS Savannah or even the USCSS Magellan

Here is maybe what Origae-6 could look a bit like as the Covenant looks to find a Place to Land.

I think i will Bump this Thread with a Idea!

Earlier on i was thinking about HOW can we introduce another Franchise Movie....  So i have came up with a Broad Idea... i just will think of how to Flesh it Out.

Alien: Marauder

The Basic Idea is to have a Plot that would Surround a Group of Space Pirates, were they will attempt to Raid a Ship... only they soon WISH they had not.

*Its a case of do they Hijack a Research Vessel that is Carrying a Cargo? (a ship that has a Small Crew).

*Do they discover a Ghost Ship (No Survivors) that has succumbed to its Cargo?

*Do they discover a Distress Beacon and they detect the Ship is in Trouble with Little Crew Left and would be on the Verge of being a Ghost Ship, they pretend they will come to Help but they are looking to Plunder?

*Do they NOT intercept a Human Ship? (then i am not a Fan of intercepting a Engineer one).

We then need to ask...

*Is the Cargo Xenomorph Eggs/Face Huggers?

*Is it some other related Organism? (Deacon, Neomorph or something New).

*Is the Cargo merely Black Goo Ampoules?

So its a case of me thinking about what is the Cargo, and in what State is the Ship the Pirates attempt to Hijack.

Then i guess i have to ask...

*Does this take place on the Ship, so is the Ship they attempt to Hijack Large?

*Does the Ship End up crashing on a Outpost/Colony after things go to Pot and the Movie takes place in the aftermath?

*As above but its the Pirates Ship that takes the Cargo, and then they Succumb to it, and End Up landing on a Outpost/Colony?

The Time-Frame really depends on which of these i go for...

*It could be a Ship with Black Goo, that has Left LV-223, or Planet 4 or Origae-6.

*It could be a Ship with a Organism (not Xenomorph) from LV-223, Planet 4 or Origae-6.

*It could be a Ship with Xenomorphs Obtained from LV-426 at some point prior or after ALIENS. (or from Planet 4/Origae-6).

*It could be a Ship that is Carrying the Ripley 7 Failed Clones, Hybrid Queen.

I would usually spend some time to think which of these to use, and sometimes Mix/Match to come up with say 2-3 slightly Different larger Synopsis/Basic Draft/Concept.

But it would be Interesting to see which you would like the Sound of, or Feel Free to offer some Alternatives ;)

How did the Covenant get the information about this system? Probes, Space telescope, Space truckers?

Kind of cool if they were fed erroneous info ...and the planet is just a rock(Mercury or Venus type)...or not there at all.

So I vote Venus type and David has to question MUTHUR and the crew.

"The studio can produce large number of Alien tragedies as long as they create a meaningful story around this mystical even mythical creature."

I had put something maybe similar in my Origae-6 thread, which is to Ponder what Origae-6 would be like and what could happen next...

I pondered what if the World had Remnants of a Long Lost Civilization that had Disappeared MANY MANY Thousands of Years ago....   so the Covenant Colony discover some Ancient Ruins, and start to do some Archeological Digging.

They Discover Giants, and a Serpent, that could be some kind of Ancient Hammerpede like Organism.

Dr Huang

What a discovery, we have found who must have lived in those ruined buildings, look at the size of them.

Dr Philips

Certainly when Jacob had invested a lot of time on the vetting of this World, we would never had imagined it had been previously inhabited.

Walter

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to

Dr Philips

I never knew you was interested in Religious Quotations Walter, indeed it appears we have found evidence of such Giants.

Walter

This was something Dr Shaw was interested in

Dr Philips

Who?

Dr Huang

She was a fellow Archeologist, she had studied the connection of Archeological Evidence and how it connected to possible Extra Terrestrials being the influence for our Myths and Religions.

I never knew that you had a interest in her work Walter.

Dr Philips

I wonder what this Giant Serpent was.

Walter

We have sinned, because we have spoken against the LORD and you; intercede with the LORD, that He may remove the serpents from us.

Dr Huang

SMILES at Walter

I doubt this was any kind of Punishment

Walter

well the Gods dont take too kindly on rebellion and betrayal

Dr Philips

This other Skeleton seems to have its Rib cage broken, likely from some Internal Trauma

Walter

The wicked are estranged from the womb; These who speak lies go astray from birth. They have venom like the venom of a serpent; Like a deaf cobra that stops up its ear,

Dr Phillips

What do you mean by that?

Walter

Maybe their Blood is Tainted, a Poison running inside, born of wickedness and so wickedness shall be born from them.

After they Uncover Skeletal Remains of this Serpent, they do latter Discover a Alive One!

I think that the Intention would be to go to Origae-6 and i think this World would be similar to the Opening Scene in Prometheus or it may be a bit more of Arid Dry World, as far as more like some of the Dryer Places on Earth.... like Middle East, some places in Africa, or Dry Parts of Australia etc.

So its not going to be as Lush and Wonderful as Planet 4 looked, or the Ancient Amazon, or Canada, or say Fertile Green Places in the USA or Europe.

"what kind of a World would David Create"

That was a KEY CLUE.... also it would not had been about Xenomorphs.... it would be about AI... but we have to remember that RS also said he saw the Replicants as AI

David had said he would TUCK IN the Children.. in regards to the Embryo's and so i am drawn to those playing a more Important Role.

David had seemed to do well in Creating something Superior to the Engineers Efforts with the Black Goo, his Xenomorph compared to the Deacon and the Neomorph.

What if he then wanted to see if he can create a Superior Humanoid?   If he would try and APPLY some Traits from his Experiments to them?

I suspect this would be the Case, he Creates a Superior Human Species, he LIES to them about their Origins.. EARTH, and from Human Embryo's

other Humans Turn up, and Revelations are revealed to those Humanoids about their True Origins... things go to POT, they show signs of Rebellion and then David has NO CHOICE but to Unleash his WOLF on his LAMBS and Humans.

His Humanoids + Xenomorph makes a even more Evolved Variant, we are CLOSER to the Xenomorph.

Engineers then ROCK UP.... and they see the Potential in what David had done to those Humans and the Xenomorph and i feel the Engineers would then look to take these to LV-223 where they can then EVOLVE them Further.

I would assume that then we are introduced to some more Advanced Synthetics that are Part Organic and these then become INFECTED and Further Evolve the Beast to we then END UP with the Bio-Mechanical Fiend from the Franchise.

"The problem of getting a "Lovecraftian" alien movie, in the sense that it's "cosmic horror of the unknown", is that everything about the xenomorph is known to us . . ."

I think this is Exactly the thing they was thinking about when they decided to give us PROMETHEUS... because its ONCE you go and Answer the Xenomorph Origins, then you show the Beast a few more times.... its WHERE NEXT?

IF the Xenomorphs Origins were Explored in a more Lovecraftian way, so we look at it more like it was in STARBEAST, then yes you could go off on a "cosmic horror of the unknown" type Spin Off.

The other was to Explore the Space Jockey connection to it, which had the Potential to go off on a "cosmic horror of the unknown" with Sequels... but with Alien Covenant it looks more unlikely that exploring the Xenomorph or the Engineers will END-UP anything like that Lovecraftian Nightmare.

I think the Beast could be explored in a Sequel that goes to Origae-6 it really depends on HOW they do this.

I already think going for covering the Xenomorph was a MISTAKE for a Sequel to Prometheus, i think to continue with it would likely be just as much a Disappointment as it could be a change to Revitalize the Beast!

Its a Pickle.....

But when we look at what was so Lovecraftian about ALIEN i dont think the Xenomorph Aesthetically has to be the BEE ALL THAT ENDS ALL.....

What i am saying is IF we had ALIENS as the First Movie, i dont think it would be that "cosmic horror of the unknown" not really...

Then if they gave us the Prequel to ALIENS which was ALIEN then when you see where those Eggs came from, and see that Derelict on LV-426 in more Detail, and the Interior of the Ship, the Pilot Room, the Egg chamber then that would get us more closer to Lovecraftian.

I think while HR Gigers Xenomorph is Iconic it has been Cooked quite  a bit.... and by Virtue of the Black Goo you could introduce various other Lovecraftian Horrors.

I think a lot of Fans Lament for Xenomorphs, not all would want a Camerons Queens flick, but i am sure other would like to see something more about the Xenomorphs... but they are really BUGGED by the idea that David Created the Xenomorph!

So i think maybe having Oriage-6 hold a Deadly Secret, well that its not Entirely Uninhabited would be something i think Fans may like...

What if they Encounter a Hostile Organism eventually?

This Organism is then seen to when David Unleashes a Face Hugger on it.... and this Produces a Hybrid that is closer to the Xenomorph from Alien?

So it would indicate that the Xenomorph from ALIEN comes about when Davids Creation is mixed with something else he had NOT created?

I had said before that another OPTION would be that the Engineers Return and see Davids Creation, and they then take it to LV-223 and Re-Engineer it to the Xenomorph we all know from LV-426....  making David only the Middle Man.

I think the CLOSEST we could get to a Lovecraftian Horror now can only really come from..

1) Back to LV-223 and explore other Temples, and get a bit more Information on the Black Goo and the Relevance of the Murals and Frescos.

2) Introduce another Species above the Engineers, that have a more Lovecraftian Theme to them.

I cant see how either would APPLY to this Topic though as far as what would Origae-6 be like and what would likely happen on it.

I will give what i think would have Happened though Next.

< First AVP was a good adventure movie

Since when was the first AVP an adventure movie? It had the plot of a standard SYFY Original movie plot = your average B movie

"The script may ready by now."

It would be interesting to see how FAR they got with any Scripts...

I wonder when Ridley Scotts TV Series Raised by Wolves is released if he may give some indication of the Alien Franchise Future in Interviews.

At this Moment i do think that IF we get a Prequel Continuation then i feel it would likely be something that would be back to the Drawing Board or Certainly Changed a lot to Please Fans... compared to what the Direction may have been intended as of say SUMMER 2017

I would not rule out that we arrive on Origae-6 in the  Year 2115 with a Incoming Human Colony Ship with supplies and the Ship is expecting to Arrive at a Colony the Covenant should have began setting up...

They arrive in the aftermath of what ever David had intended and its gone to POT!....  were we see David as just a Head! or Broken/Damaged.

Hell Breaks Loose..... maybe the 3rd Act we see a Weyland-Yutani Military Ship arrive..   We will have Eggs and Xenomorphs...

Then a Sequel would be the Weyland-Yutani set up a Study/Outpost on Origae-6 and then the Engineers Rock up in the 2nd Act.... and the 3rd Act would lead us to ALIEN.

Engineers then Bugger Off with the Eggs, intend to take them to LV-223 and things go to POT!

Weyland Yutani discover the Eggs had ended up on LV-426 and set up Special Order 937

Certainly Hox...

I think we have to Assume that Origae-6 is more Habitble than LV-223, it would be like if LV-223 had a Totally Breathble Attmosphere, and Lakes, Rivers and then indeed some Greenery as indicated to a degree in those Photos.

A Place Ripe for Engineer Seeding as the Opening Scene Planet was.

So for the Covenant Colonist they could then arrive at a more Comfortable Climate part of the Planet and then begin to Plant/Seed various Crops, Fruit, Veg and Trees etc.

So maybe it could be a World that the Engineers would have Visited at some point over the next Few Hundred Years to Begin to Seed?

Or indeed a World that had the Slate Wiped Clean and Thousands of Years had Passed where the World is ready to be Repopulated again.

Somebody even complained about the screen savers on Youtube. It is ridiculous.

Would like to hear David saying his catch-phrase in the new episode.

"It is perfectly safe." 

Or

"It is not perfectly safe."

Or

"It may not be perfectly safe."

There was an idea of plastic eating bacteria in this topic.

There may be worms, bark beetles, or fire ants that consume plastic based materials.

In the end plastic is an organic material and a hungry alien organism is not very picky when it is about its own survival.

Like this concept because it removes the immortality of androids. The infected androids will become severely dysfunctional. They need a complex and expensive repair after such infection.

In space androids do not last forever...

This ancient ruin does not even look like a building at first sight.

The script may ready by now.

I hope the new story use much less Profanity than the previous two chapters.

Avoiding profanity in films is not bigotry! The characters who swear in films are less likable or not likable at all by the viewers. 

There are plenty of other ways to express anger, discontentment or frustration. 

Several images have been uploaded in the  Traits of the franchise topic that may be inspiration for the flora and fauna of Origae 6. Some of them are repeated here.

Can we imagine the planet as a clean slate for the arriving colonist?

This one is my favorite.

MonsterZero

Yes, boarding derelict ships (or stations) floating about in space is exciting. It's been done in a couple of novels, but it's always a thrill. What's happened here? Why are there dead, mutilated bodies here and there, etc?

Maybe it's not so much Origae-6 (6th planet?) But another planet or a moon they will encounter.

David has the Engineer's charts..Maybe he knows there is plenty of pathogen in the Origae system and no reason to return to LV223. 

Alien series has yet to do a 'haunted' space station scenario....Something in orbit around the host star or another planet in the O system?

The problem of getting a "Lovecraftian" alien movie, in the sense that it's "cosmic horror of the unknown", is that everything about the xenomorph is known to us . . .

Even the plot is difficult to mystify or to make the audience curious: Although intriguing, picking up a distress signal has been done a couple of times, finding ruins of old civilisations many times etc.

If I remember correctly, Scott was afraid that the beast was cooked (although AC could, of course, have been done differently). However, those of us who saw Alien when we were (very) young still love the monster . . . :)

Dr Huang

What a discovery, we have found who must have lived in those ruined buildings, look at the size of them.

Dr Philips

Certainly when Jacob had invested a lot of time on the vetting of this World, we would never had imagined it had been previously inhabited.

Walter

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to

Dr Philips

I never knew you was interested in Religious Quotations Walter, indeed it appears we have found evidence of such Giants.

Walter

This was something Dr Shaw was interested in

Dr Philips

Who?

Dr Huang

She was a fellow Archeologist, she had studied the connection of Archeological Evidence and how it connected to possible Extra Terrestrials being the influence for our Myths and Religions.

I never knew that you had a interest in her work Walter.

Dr Philips

I wonder what this Giant Serpent was.

Walter

We have sinned, because we have spoken against the LORD and you; intercede with the LORD, that He may remove the serpents from us.

Dr Huang

SMILES at Walter

I doubt this was any kind of Punishment

Walter

well the Gods dont take too kindly on rebellion and betrayal

Dr Philips

This other Skeleton seems to have its Rib cage broken, likely from some Internal Trauma

Walter

The wicked are estranged from the womb; These who speak lies go astray from birth. They have venom like the venom of a serpent; Like a deaf cobra that stops up its ear,

Dr Phillips

What do you mean by that?

Walter

Maybe their Blood is Tainted, a Poison running inside, born of wickedness and so wickedness shall be born from them.

I think thats a Good Point....

If we have David Create his Army then its not a case of HOW or IF he can Control them, the Main thing is HOW does he get them to Infect the Galaxy...

Unless they can learn to FLY SHIPS?

Then its how do we get to Obtaining such things?

So yes Origae-6 having Juggernaught Hangers would be a Convenient Trope and Coincidence.

IF they are still to have the events of Alien Covenant to connect to ALIEN in a Literal and Chronological Order, then there would have to be a ENGINEER ship that comes into play.

This would LIKELY had been brought into Play from the Engineers heading to Origae-6 after David, rather than the Discovery of Engineer Ships on Origae-6

"At least have a rooting interest?"

Thats a Good Point too, if we look at it from the Engineers POV, then they would want REVENGE, they would want to Prevent David from doing what he could do.

They would surely want to go and Discover WHERE these Intruders had come from and so they surely would want to go to EARTH!

They may also be interested in stopping David too, but would they Place all their Eggs in ONE Basket and send all Ships to Origae-6?

I guess if Origae-6 is a World the Engineers have a Humanoid Civilization on they would want to go there ASP and Prevent the Humans/David from Corrupting or Destroying that Civilization. Then YES they would want to get there to Prevent this.... the same could be said if this is a WORLD they have been Preparing for Seeding and cant allow David to Infect this World...

If there is to be any Connection and Interest from the Engineers...

I feel it would work better if Origae-6 was as Earth was 2000, 5000's Years ago and Imagine if the Engineers had HIT the RESET switch.... then would wait Thousands of Years for the World to be Ready to Start Again.

IF we have Origae-6 as such a World then there could be Evidence of a Previous Long Lost Civilization, and the Engineers would have a Invested Interest in Preventing the Humans and David from Inheriting and Corrupting this World.

Well what i proposed was just some Fan Fiction, something like this as a Released Short Story (Novel) could work to TIE UP what would happen with Daniels.

Because there are a Number of Problems with a Continuation... due to the Ending.... had Daniels not been aware of WHO that Walter really is, then in a Sequel we could have that Shocking Discovery closing the 1st Act (3rd) of the Movie.

I think seeing them all go to Origae-6 and begin to Build that Colony, awakening a Few Colonist and seeing the First few say Log Cabins Constructed where we can then see Daniels is Finally at Peace, she sits across the Lake with Walter.... Finally the Dream they all had of a New Start is underway....

To then have her make a Discovery that it is David and he has some Ulterior Motif would then make the Impact of the Twist for her more Horrific to a extent, the Problem is WE the Viewer would already know who he was...

But with Daniels already knowing who he is, really has painted the Plot into a Corner.... he cant go around and Masquerade as Walter with Daniels around, she has to Disappear, but then surely Tennessee could get Suspicious and maybe David would have to get rid of HIM... so then your left with HOW does Walter explain to the Colonist that EVERYONE of the Ships Crew whose job it was to get them to Origae-6 Safely... how does he explain WHY they are GONE?

The other Problem is as a Character there was not much to Daniels, its hard to see how you can elevate her now.. with Dr Shaw there was Potential depending on HOW they would tackle her Arc after Prometheus. This is because the Sequel was set up to go and MEET these would be Gods for Answer, and it was Dr Shaw who was driving this Venture because she did-not want to go back Home...  so she would have been the Proxy/Anchor Point for how those Answers get Presented to her, and surely they would not be Revelations that would Appease her and her Faith she Clutches too.... and so Revelations really could Crush her Faith and make for a Interesting Arc Change.

With Daniels, she just wants to get to Origae-6 to Build a Cabin.... so her Character was Limited and having her DIE would make NO Impact to where the Plot would go.

@Gavin Rapace was killed off when TOM ROTHMAN was outed from the position of chairman at Fox and new people wanted to make a name for themselves. Did the leadership of Fox change after the merger? I don't know but if they remained those could have a chance. If no I am doubtful as even Fastbender would remain as they tried to make him the lead of many franchises and they failed without an exception.

As old franchises go nowadays I think that bringing back Weaver is more likely, but I don't know who among the fans would like that,

"their character arcs are as good as complete", what arcs? They finish as they started...

'Create an army'

I don't know what David would do with a army of xeno/zombies? I doubt he'd be able to terrorize the galaxy with them? the Covenant takes years/decades to travel anywhere! 

And I can't believe they would trope David finding an ancient Engineer city with working spacecraft!?

No...It must be to battle the Engineers when/if they arrive?

But why should we care what side wins that battle though?

I'd go with Space marines battling David's legion. At least have a rooting interest?

In all honesty, I don't think Katherine Waterston or Danny McBride will reprise their roles in Alien: Awakening.

I feel this is the case, in part because of how Noomi Rapace's character was cast aside, but also because I feel that for the characters of Daniels and Tennessee, their character arcs are as good as complete, with very few channels of development beyond what we have already seen of these characters in Alien: Covenant.

That was the Basically as i remember how i wrote it, i lost it as i did it on a Phone and the Phone Died lol

It was to give a Crossing like Prologue... a way to get rid of Daniels as a Thorn in Davids Side.... and leave us to Ponder what is NEXT for Daniels?

Would she risk going to the Temple Complex?  Would she Discover Walter?

I think also we have to Remember if the Engineers Return then HOW are they going to Discover where it is that David would be going..... and discovering a Walter and a Daniels would provide them Answers....

HOW do they Communicate?  Easy David could have Translated Engineer to English and put this on Paper, so that he could maybe then Teach Dr Shaw..... had she NOT had Rejected his Proposal.

"I think we can all agree that it would be nice to see a biomechanical, Lovecraftian nightmare landscape, but I doubt 'they' have the balls to do that."

I think that was the WISH (Fans) for a Prometheus 2, indeed i know it may have been Disappointing to end up with the Aesthetic of Planet 4 and maybe they would have Expected something that would be like  Kryptonopolis (Krypton) from The Man of Steel Movie that has been Re-Designed with a Splash of HR Giger.  Some Concepts for a Early Prometheus Sequel appeared to be a bit similar.

I would think that having Origae-6 being a similar kind of a World would be a LITTLE.. too much a Coincidence, and then if this World is Fully Operational then how does the Covenant Ship even get Close?  Unless the Ship gets Captured by Engineers.

Thats NOT to say such Worlds would Exist and it would be GREAT to go and explore such a World, but maybe it would be too much of a Coincidence if Origae-6 was as such...

But then what a Plot Convenience it could be, and i would not put it past DISNEY exploring such a World as to where to take the Covenant Next, as opposed to Maybe a Primordial World that is Ripe for the Next Stage, or a World that has been RE-SET/WIPED CLEAN and the Process of being LEFT to Clear Up ready for Repopulating. (so it would be like say going to Planet 4 in Thousands of Years Time).

None the Less... as with all of my Topics, everyone is Free to Indulge us to what Ideas they would like to see, as we are Speculating on Events that have NOT Happened or been Explored then Everything is a Option ;)

So indeed we could have this as a World that was Inhabited Many Thousands of Years ago...

But it was ABANDONED... 

I think it could work best if this was the case that the World is really NOT that more Advanced than Earth say 2000-3000 Years ago...  WHY we could have some Clues and Revelation that this is WHERE..... Mankind came from.

Something Happened, and Some Survivors in some Space Noahs Ark of the Engineers were taken and then placed on Earth.....

The Dust has Settled....

There are Ruins of Ancient Cities... LONG LOST... hardly nothing remains... the Discovery of Human like Remains... Skulls, the same Size as Humans... a DNA Match, but some that are TALLER...

What Happened to this Civilization... where did they go, are they all Dead?  What Happened?

These are what the Colonist could ask... but then at the END of the Day, they have left behind a Very Habitable World.  So what ever Happened is Ancient History.

It would be like ONLY discovering the Americas Recently and come across a Native American Civilization that Advanced a bit more than TENTS... but they appear to be LONG GONE... their Culture, Society, Homes... GONE... Thousands of Years ago!

The Explorers who make Landfall and Discover this Lost Civilization would not Care to much, for them they have Inherited a Rich and Fertile LAND!

So the same could be with the Covenant Colonist, they may be Intrigued at the Remnants of  a Long Lost Civilization but they would also just look at HOW they have Inherited a Habitable World to START ANEW!

But maybe HIDDEN away in some Cave, some Place could be a Horror that has been Laying Dormant for  Thousands of Years....

WAITING!

Firstly i will add these Photos of Planet 4 and LV-223

We see that LV-223 is Rocky, Desert like and Mountainous we cant rule out Lakes etc, there is Ice/Snow.  The Main Problem seems to be a LACK of Vegetation and the Atmosphere contains a few Gases/Chemicals that make it Toxic.  There are also Dust/Sand Storms that are Extreme.

With Planet 4 the World or at least a Considerable amount of it, has a Very Good Climate to allow for Various Vegetation to Prosper and Plenty of Water/Lakes.  The Atmosphere is also Habitable for Human Life.  We do see Strong Storms but then certain Places on Earth have Severe Storms/Heavy Rains that DONT effect the Environment.

I would ASSUME that Origae-6 would have to LIE somewhat in-between both Planet 4 and LV-223, it would be NOT as Ideal as Planet 4 but it would not be as Baron as LV-223.

We have to Assume such a World would have remained Similar for Millions of Years, unless we have a Revelation or Explore that the Engineers could Terra-form a World from say a LV-223/LV-426 to a Planet 4 in a Vastly Shorter Span of Time.

So in either case.... MAYBE the Engineers would be aware of it?  We have to ASSUME that Earth-like Worlds are NOT Littered all over the Galaxy to a Great Ratio compared to completely Inhabitable Worlds

So Potentially the Engineers could be Aware of Such a World, and it would be a Prime Candidate for them to Set-Up a Civilization on like they had with Earth.

Does that mean this is what would have Happened?

Who knows.... I think maybe it could, maybe it could not, or if we go in the MIDDLE maybe it was a World being Primed for Future until things went to POT on LV-223.

Perhaps a Planet of the Apes scenario: Some colonists escape from David (captives for experiments) and wanders off into the wild only to find ruins of human civilisation. The downfall having occurred thousands of years ago, finding human skeletons and pieces of urns and mummified remains of creatures with long heads and long pointy tails . . .  :)

Well,

Considering what we have seen thus far I think we can eliminate environments such as

- Primordial (LV-426)

- Desolate (Fiorina-161)

- Arctic (AVP)

- Forest (AVPR, Alien: Covenant)

- Barren (Prometheus)

Unless we go with an extreme environment such as Star Wars planets Kamino (all water) or Mustafar (volcanic), I think the likely environments could be jungle or desert, unless 'they' (Scott, Fox, Disney) are afraid of similar properties such as Predator or Stargate.

I think we can all agree that it would be nice to see a biomechanical, Lovecraftian nightmare landscape, but I doubt 'they' have the balls to do that.

You know who it reminds me of?

Maybe they could Teach David some New Instruments to Play, or he can join them with his FLUTE!

Some Interesting Comments

I would ASSUME that as some have said, that Origae-6 would be a World that is Habitable where it should be able to Support Life from Earth without the Need of Space Suits or Terra-forming.  I would assume that it could be some what of a Primordial World and so maybe it would look NOT too different from the Prometheus Opening Scene?

I think Certainly there would be Water, Lakes, Oceans., but to how much Water is anyone's Guess.

I think Certainly it would have Weather systems and Storms but quite how Extreme is anyone's Guess.

I think Certainly there would be Life, but to what Extent and Diversity is anyone's Guess.

I think when we look at Earth, there are places on Earth that are NOT that ideal for Living on, but you could Survive there.  Places that are maybe a Little too Arid/Dry and Hot, Places that are maybe a Little to Cold, Places that have Sparse Plant Life compared to other Places.

The Earth is Fortunate to have a lot of Fertile, Temperate Lands, but there are some Places that are much Less Suitable.

I would Speculate it could be similar to those Locations as far as Topography, but who knows about Weather, and Climate.  I would suspect that it is for the Most Part only as Hostile or Unfavorable as some of the Less suitable Places on Earth.  But none the less Places that with Technology the Covenant has, they could Grow Vegetation/Plants in Places that lack too much Diversity.  For example a Arid Place they could Extract Underground Water and Make Irrigation systems so they can sustain and grow Plants and Crops.

Colder Places they could maybe Warm some Locations up, or use Heated Green Houses etc.

I would assume that there has to be some Woodlands though, so they can use the WOOD as a Resource.  Or in areas that lack much Woodland they could Plant Trees.

Would this WORLD have had signs of Prior Civilization.

I would doubt it.... but it could be interesting to maybe indicate this, BUT if they do so it would have to be in Regards to a Long Lost Civilization, that had Disappeared Thousands and Thousands of Years ago.

So we could maybe Speculate it was a Place the Engineers had HIT the Reset Switch and the World is in he Process of Recovering and in Future would be Ripe for the Engineers to come and Re-Seed again.

I think having the Place look like a Engineer World, especially like the Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic would be too much a Coincidence but then what a Convenience

Likewise i dont think there should be much Evidence of Previous Civilization, certainly NO inhabitants... but maybe they could Discover a Ruined City and Skeletons etc.

If Origae-6 is a planet with life, the Engineers should know about it.

Interesting - what if Origae-6 will have the buildings and artifacts of the Engineers? Maybe - research labs, temples or even dock for spaceships. The last point - it will be very convenient to connect with Alien.

About lifeforms of Origae-06. [strike]It will depend on the budget.[/strike] The premise for the lack of fauna on Origae-6 was simple - the pathogen destroys all non-botanical life. And spores of neomorphs were very effective. But I doubt that xenomorphs can destroy all non-botanical life. I hope we will see the indigenous inhabitants of Origai-6 in wild nature.

Planet 4, ‘square in the habitable zone’, is described as being beyond the most optimistic projections for Origae-6, with oceans, land mass and a living biosphere indicated as desirable elements. The implication of this is that Origae-6 is either a bit too hot/cold/wet/dry for comfort, or is sterile.

The crew expected at least the possibility of hostile multicellular life, hence the provisioning of weapons, but I rather doubt they expected to find technological civilisation. That would have surely shown up in any long range scans.

They don’t have an atmosphere processor (they have a rudimentary ‘terraforming’ module), so they really do need a planet with oxygen. Since oxygen is unlikely to be present without life, this leads me to think Origae-6 is not sterile.

Ergo, Origae-6 is Earth-like but is a little too hot, cold, wet or dry for comfort. It has life, but no technology.