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A TV series would be a good way to tell a story and develop characters. I don't special effects and budget would be a big issue. The IGN shorts did impressive work on small budgets. The xeno was never shown in its entirety either.

Gavin said: 'in the sequels, the Alien was an organic, mortal monster'

Yeah..I'd like a return to a biomechanical killing machine.

If the crew of the Nostromo had watched ALIENS they would have just locked the xeno in a closet and waited till they docked! Let the marines take care of it.

Ripley "Hey! don't open that locker!"

Parker "What!? Why not?"

Ripley "That's where we locked up that space bug!"

Parker "Oh yeah...Well... I guess he can have my stuff! lol!"

@Leto

Hope you can sort that out, as its always Interesting to read your take on things..

" I don't think we need to know about their childhoods or interim stories.  Ash's back story would be the only interesting thing except it would suck all the mystery from Alien."

Certainly i think going a Ripleys History would be a bad move, some Fans had expected to see her Ancestry in Alien Covenant....

With ASH his History and Agenda is surely Locked to Special Order 937 which likely would have been LINKED should the Prequels had got Finished.

I think the WONDER with Prometheus was it unleashed a Plot that revolved around the Engineers and Horrors they may have Created....

So within the Time-Line of say 2200-2400 then Missions could have Explored more Deeper Space and came across things Related to the Xenomorph and Engineers were i think the Potential could be to introduce something a Little Different to the Xenomorphs though, but we do have Fan-base that does-not like CHANGE.

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I think we can understand WHY the Prequels had to give our Engineers a Location so Close, which was so that it was within Reach of Humanity within the Time-Line...  Having the USCSS Prometheus travel say Thousands of Light Years away would have seemed Silly if we are talking a Prequel in regards to Technology (Speeds and Cryo-sleep).   With a Sequel the Likelihood the Engineers would be BASED so Close to us seems a Coincidence, but a Necessary one again so that a Human Expedition could reach there in a Time-Line prior to ALIEN.  A Example is the Nostromo would take about 64-65 Years to Travel the Distance of that Green Dot, from SIDE to SIDE.

The Prometheus sequels i was working on in 2013 would NOT have taken David and Dr Shaw so CLOSE... they would even had reached their Destination after ALIEN introducing Humans was not a Problem, as i was looking at the Question.... is the EARTH the ONLY place the Engineers had Seeded/Evolved Mankind?

The Eventual Ramifications of their Visit/Journey would NOT have Effected Earth until after the Events of Alien Resurrection.

TV Series is a OPTION!

But certain things would suit such a Venture, where we can Flesh Out Characters, the Problem is the Special Effects in Regards to the Amount of Screen Time we get Xenomorphs or Similar....

So you would have to Juggle the Budget.... Sacrifices have to be made, and depending on the Budget and Allocation to Xenomorphs and the like, we could END UP with some Comical Special Effects and CGI that could be Detrimental to the Xenomorph and similar.

TV Series that covers the Colonial Marines, the Weyland-Yutani as in Rivalry and Merger and Corporate Shenanigans, that covers AI and Synthetics in Detail.  Would all be more Easier to do.

To Cover the Engineers to a degree would NOT be so Hard.

The Vast Space Sets, and Special Effects for Monsters related to the Xenomorph are the Costly things, or things that IF they are NOT done right would look well LOW BUDGET...

You could make a Engineers vs Predators Movie that would be more Cheaper than a ALIENS 2 because Engineers and Predators are NOT as Expensive or Difficult to Produce on Screen.

Not saying we do that though lol

I think what made ALIEN stand out was you Hardly Saw the Xenomorph, so that would mean LESS TIME and Less Effects required, especially if you never see the Full Monster up close...

But you are going to get some Fans who would want to see more Xenomorphs and More Actions as they are used to from ALIENS and Various Comics/Games.... which for a TV Series would be Expensive.

Whats a Shame was that RS had ideas on how to Expand the Franchise that would NOT have to revolve around the Xenomorph..... but these PLANS went to POT when it was deemed they had to GIVE the Fans their Xenomorphs and Answers... it was then just HOW they chose to do this that was a Problem!

I think Certainly the Franchise is in a Pickle from a MOVIE stand point, as its WHERE do they go NOW.... which is the Main Reason for me doing the Topic...

The Problem is the Prequels have become something that has Fractured the Fan-base, and the Xenomorph Origins (route take)and a Series about Rogue AI is not to everyone's liking, the Engineers some were Interested in exploring the Engineers in Depth, some wanted to see them used as Aggressive Angry SOB's so with Less Depth than even Predators... (Basically Comic Book Engineers)  But its a case of NO MATTER what changes they make, what they introduce/change, i think they would STRUGGLE to get the Fans on board to the Point of Guarantee a Good Return on the COST of Finishing the Prequels...

It simply would be a RISKY Venture for Disney.

Thats WHY i placed that Prequel Line in the Diagram i used.

So Ignoring the Prequels, as far as to Continue to Branch from the Franchise it was a case of WHERE TO GO NEXT?

The Alien Franchise was really a QUADRILOGY that explored the Xenomorph Threat from the Standpoint of being about Ripley, it was just as much a Ripley Quadrilogy than the just Xenomorph.

The Option for a ALIEN V could have been to Continue from Alien Resurrection but then its a case of WHAT do you do?  More about Ripley and Xenomorphs?   You would also have to explain WHY a Ripley 8 would have Aged (But i have TWO ways to do this that dont mean we just CGI her for the Movie).

We could Consider at this point.... the Company Resort to CLONING our Ripley as they have NO other means of Obtaining a Xenomorph or anything related.

Alien Isolation came about as a Idea to Place another Story about Ripleys Daughter...  that seemed to be a Less Conflicting Idea that the Spin Off Novels... but its a case of should a Amanda Series be Confined to only the Video Games, Novels and Comics?

So to NOT Continue with Ellen Ripley's Story, to leave the Alien Isolation as its own thing and NOT be involved as a Movie, and to Abandon the Prequels, really leaves us with LITTLE OPTIONS...

I dont think that any Re-boots and Ret-cons are NOT wise be it Reboot Alien 3, Reboot Aliens, Reboot the Prequels!

So with all that Considered..... doing a NEW Series of Movies that does-not go the route of any of the Above may seem like there is NO-WHERE to go but thats NOT the case!

So without really Conflicting the Franchise or Prequels there are ways to go FORWARDS!

1) Alien Resurrection Parallel Story....  What became of the Failed Ripley 7 Queen?   This could have been SENT to another Facility and so we could explore that, and Xenomorphs that are slightly Different.

2) The Derelict, was this the only Ship to have Carried Eggs, could others had Landed on other Worlds?  So exploring this at some point after the Events of Alien Resurrection or Before could be another route.

3) The Engineers had Experimented on things similar to the Xenomorph in the Past, (Deacon) and so do we know what was the Basis for those Experiments?  Some Organism they encountered and Re-Engineered then if so and WHEN and mainly.... COULD there be this Organism out there in the GALAXY.

4) Similar to above, we know the Engineers did Experiment and had that Black Goo, but do we KNOW if they had Successfully Deployed it in the Past to other Worlds, and IF-SO then what has became of those Worlds?

@Gavin and do you think that going from two hours to ten, a series remake would not wander away from the original to fill up that huge new time? Do we really need yet another story of corporate shady dealings? Was the prequel novel to Covenant that exciting? There way to few parties in the original to spread it like this....

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I don't think Alien should be messed with except for the DC to be recognized as the definitive version. I disagree with any form of a reboot (with the below exception)- Alien is the template. The Quadrilogy is what it is. 

A mini series could be great for fleshing out aspects of Alien, but not replace it. Ripley and crew were common people whose back stories were adequate. Being regular people is what made them easy to connect with. I don't think we need to know about their childhoods or interim stories.  Ash's back story would be the only interesting thing except it would suck all the mystery from Alien.

I think it is rare to incorporate a game into canon, but Isolation is so well written that Amanda's story could be the closest thing to a fresh start without feeling like a hard re boot.

 The POTA remake was outstanding and is a great example of a re boot that led to a really good series- (for that matter, I would include the Star Trek re boot). I don't have a good argument, but somehow, I can't imagine Ripley or the original cast being  re done. 

Strangely enough, I was actually pondering this the other day and because of the very reason you mention BigDave; because we really do seem to be at an impasse when it comes to the future of the franchise.

Firstly I looked at what we have thus far, which is much easier to quantify than your diagram, and is this - we have the original movie in all of it's ambiguous and mysterious glory, then we have two spin-off franchises; the Queen movies (Aliens, Alien 3, Alien: Resurrection) and the Engineer movies (Prometheus, Alien: Covenant).

In the original movie, the Alien was a bio-mechanical, invincible terror with an alien lifecycle whereby it transformed its victims into the medium by which its seed could be carried forward - the Facehugger. In the sequels, the Alien was an organic, mortal monster that having lost its mechanical edge needed to rely on a more natural method of propagation. And in the prequels we see the Aliens very essence being scrutinized with (in my opinion) the Engineers having reverse-engineered the Alien they found on LV-426 into a more manageable pathogenic weapon only for David to reverse engineer their reverse engineering and reassemble if only organically, the Alien creature.

This gives us three blanket choices; continue with the overexposed Queen narrative, continue with the needlessly bloated disassembly of the Aliens backstory, or return to the original concepts and feel of the original movie. While Aliens may have been highly influential and Prometheus may have been a visual tour-de-force the truth is that they both needlessly and unjustifiably deviated away from what made the first movie, both aesthetically and narratively, stand out.

So, in my opinion, we need to go back to that original movie and forget everything that has followed.

And to that end, I have been pondering the seemingly unponderable; a remake - but wait...

While I do believe that with the right cast, crew, script and so forth that a, at least technically, better version of Alien could be made, the format of a two-three hour movie in today's blockbuster, shared universe hungry market doesn't feel viable.

However, what if Alien was remade as a mini-series. The narrative, characters, and concepts could be given more time to breathe, especially if the 'lost' elements that later gave birth to Prometheus were reinstated, such as the Alien pyramid. The characters could be fleshed out and the creatures mystery and uniqueness reinstated.

Now, I know some may scoff at such a concept, and think the idea a fruitless exercise. But, take heed of Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes remake, which failed to live up to the original, but a mere eleven years later Rupert Wyatt's reboot retold the story from its very beginnings and spawned one of the best trilogies in recent years and a trilogy that surpassed its predecessors (in my opinion).

This question has come up in the forum quite a bit and is always interesting to discuss.

I like that diagram BigDave- and I would like to see it continue to the left- somewhere between Isolation and Aliens. I think the Amanda angle has wings and could attract younger folks as well as geezers with open minds like me. My second choice would be after Resurrection and that could easilly include the Company and/or the creature.  Whatever the case, I would leave Ripley out of it unless there were some audio files or something. Ripley had her time just like I think David has had his. 

All said, I don't see it on the big screen, but maybe as a streaming series or something like MonsterZero mentioned.

That's a tough one.

I'd lay it to rest ......and then develop a TV series.... If it does well...Bring that to the big screen.

IF I was forced to continue.....I would use the Engineers as a plot vehicle for cosmic horror...Xenomorphs are just half witted bugs and I don't see them contributing much(jump scares).

I'd call it A L I E N  I I and use Sigourney Weaver just as she is.

The Narcissus has never left the system. Mother cancelled Ripley's commands. Mother WON'T leave until she/the company gets a specimen.

the shuttle orbit has decayed and has fallen into the ice asteroid belt around calamapos. Mother is suicidal.

Mother has been waiting for a new set of orders from the company..she is strained.

Mother spots a alien derelict (Juggernaut) in the ice belt she maneuvers near it and wakes Ripley......

I think ULTIMATELY the Prequels have Disappointed Too Many....

There are that Bunch who would have liked a Ripley and Queens Connection, but i think even the other side at that Time would have still NOT been 100% Happy with what we got Especially the Revelations/Plot of Alien Covenant.....

I do think the Prequels could END UP being Considered just as the AVP Movies where Considered and their PLOT.... How Many Fans of the Franchise Accept that Charles Bishop Weyland had Founded the Company before the Year 2004, that Xenomorphs had been on Earth for Thousands of Years... and we was Previsited and Taught what we know by Predators who just wanted to USE us to Erect Hunting Grounds/Birthing Pyramids and Sacrifice us for the Predators ULTIMATE Hunt?

Not Many i would assume...

I feel the Prequels could be Considered the Same, and so i would NOT put it past getting a REBOOT!  at some point in 10-20 Years.

I say that because Disney may Consider the Damage that Continuing the Prequels/David route may have on the Franchise... compared to just IGNORE them like some would with AVP.... and maybe some day give Indications of the Origins of the Xenomorph and Space Jockey Race in another Movie!

They would Consider its the Xenomorph and similar thats Important, just as the ALIEN DAY Shorts had, as in NONE were Connected to the Engineers/Space Jockey.

In closing.... i will add that indeed it would be NICE to have the Story Closed even if all we get is  NOVEL, but then this would NOT please Most the Fans... it would be a Gift to those who had a Interest in the Prequels who have NOT just Turned Away since Alien Covenant.

I do Understand WHY they would feel like Giving Up on the Prequels though.

I just want to find out what they are planning...don't even need to see another movie.....Just want to see the idea...that'll make me happy.

Prequels have exceeded my expectations....Always thought they would be about Ripley's parents(or worse...a child actor playing young Ripley!!!!!!) or comical Elephant like creatures. 

I think ULTIMATELY the Prequels have just NOT been what i Feel Many Fans would have expected or wanted way back when Rumors Surfaced that we would be getting a ALIEN Prequel.

The Space Jockey never Turned out like Many Expected, while Prometheus the Scale was mainly off, as we got to Alien Covenant we ended up with nothing more than VERY HUMAN looking 7ft beings..... who were all KILLED OFF..... Bye Bye Space Jockey!

It was expected to Reveal the Xenomorph Origins and a Return to Everyone's Favorite Space Monster, but we DID-NOT see them or their Explanation... by the Time we got to Alien Covenant then we GOT THOSE... only that they are the Creation of a Rebellious, Psychotic, Lonely ROBOT!

So while the Prequels had Continuing Disappointed Fans, we are left with the PLOT now being Focused purely on a Mad Robot... who Hates Humanoids, who wants his Creation to Rule the Galaxy!

So we are FAR OFF what i think Most Alien Fans and especially more Aliens Fans would have expected.

Some Fans liked Prometheus and how it OPENED DOORS with the Engineers and Creation Plot, and was looking forwards to seeing more about this and Dr Shaw and David and how all these things would Interact, and were NOT that bothered about Xenomorphs and Unlocking that Mystery.

But now we are left with a Colony Ship with Colonists we have to be Introduced too, who are at the WHIM of David and if his Agenda is  CREATE EGGS that dont Bold well for them..

We have David who is the CENTRAL Point of the Prequels, but a Character Arc that does-not please a lot of Fans, having him as Creator of their Xenomorph has got him a lot of Hate, Killing their Dr Shaw has got him a lot of Hate!  The Fascination with AI and David is something not many Fans are NOT interested in....

We are left with WHO ELSE?  as Ignorantguy points out TWO Characters who we really know little about who we just could not connect to that well... and WELL as Daniels knows who David is... then it would be STUPID for him to let her LIVE..

So as it stands as a Platform.... i am not sure its something that Many Fans would want to Continue, not in a way that Revolves around David....

To Continue with 2-3 more Movies to LEAD to ALIEN is going to be a Difficult Task as i dont think many Fans would want to have TWO more movies about David....

And so as Time Goes on, then yes it becomes more Difficult to showcase a 35 year old looking Male Synthetic (but yes there are ways around it) and as Ignorantguy mentioned... we also have Ridley Scotts Age!

With Disney they are NOT going to want to RISK doing another Movie that still has to have a Sequel to get to ALIEN, as a sequel to AC that becomes a Disappointment could leave them DEAD in the Water.

So i was just wondering if it looks like CURTAINS for David....

I think its more likely that Disney would give us a ONE Movie Connection to Alien that will deal with a AFTERMATH of what ever the Next 1-2 Movies may have Covered, were we come across David as just his Broken Body and Activate his HEAD!

More Chance they would want to give us a more Action like Flick, with Marine Types, Xenomorphs all over the Place and then Aggressive SOB!  Prometheus Engineers who go around with Actions Speak Louder than Words.. giving the Predators more Personality and Interaction with us ;)

Then Disney can go about to make more ALIEN Movies... no doubt with some Ripley Connections!

David the Pac man

BigDave well the fact that Faszy got older could be masked with some nasty make-up and to say he was damaged by too much exposure to the goop. The real big age problem is RS', who this year makes 82, already over the British life expectancy of 79.4 .

They thought that Fassbenzer can lead a Franchise, but unfortunately no big budget movie were he was the top billing made it big. He is also a rapist and genocidal robot, is that appealing material for that many people, especially woman? The most talked about thing now are the Engineers and Shaw, both and dead. If, the Engineers would return that would only to die stupidly, as the White Walkers did in the last season of Game of Thrones? Of Covenant's surviving characters we know nothing (well Daniels likes rock-climbing, that might also because of her husband and wants to build a cabin by the lake... boring) , not even their given name. 

An another problem would be the new Terminator movie. If that goes well Disney would have every incentive to bring the Ripleys back.

Who knows what will be, but I am holding my breath as after Prometheus, sorry.

@dk but the leadership also changed between Prometheus and Covenant, and the new leadership thought that killing Shaw and replacing Marc Streitenfeld with Jed Kurzel to ape the Jerry Goldsmith OST, would make them good money. But it did not.

The prequels have polarized a lot of fans. I suspect deep down, most want one more from RS. I know I would like one despite feelings on how the theatrical releases were. But ownership has changed since those days and as always, past financial performance will be a big factor.

@BigDave: I was of the understanding that the third 'Alien' Prequel was reportedly in the scripting phase, with Ridley set to direct!? 

I highly doubt greedy Mickey Mouse would allow that, they refused to put Spiderman on kid's grave.

A KING HAS HIS REIGN...... THEN HE DIES!

With things regarding a Sequel on Hold, as time goes on it will become more Difficult for Fassbender to portray David a Male Synthetic looking like someone in their Mid-Late 30's

But it also seems to be a Lack of Interest in the Franchise from the Standpoint of the Prequel Story Arc that has Evolved to have David as a Anchor point.

So do you think that the Prequels should be ABANDONED?

It seems they Split the Fanbase as some stuff from the Prequels had Interested some Fans, but it appears a Majority of Fans just want to see a Continuation with what the ALIEN Franchise had been about, ALIEN DAY for the Most Part seemed to be more Geared towards things Connected to ALIEN/ALIENS as opposed to the Prequels...

So has THIS KING had its Reign?

It does seem a kind of odd comment to make Dave. I could buy the Alien having a minor self repair ability, but to be totally crushed then regenerate is a bit of a reach.

Makes you wonder if at the back of his mind Ridley was thinking of a way for Walter & his regenerative capability to be utilised by David for his ultimate alien specimen?

Might not be as random as we think, after all Ash did tell the crew they couldn't kill it!

Hahaha you beat me to the punch Dave! I spent too long searching for the right pic! :) 

Ultimate Alien deterrent...

@Lone

Thats a Great Point, just as MonsterZero pointed out!

There is ONLY the ONE Solution then!

MR FREEZE!

Arnie has that ENGINEER look going on ;)

"Get Back to Da, Jugga-Nort!"

I think the Regenerate Comment was a little odd, as he suggested the ONE that was Crushed by the Loader Claw would REGENERATE.

To Continue and show that such a Xenomorph would Regenerate back together would CONFLICT the Franchise in General.

I much prefer and hope that he meant that the Xenomorph was NOT Dead as such, but from its Remains then Eggs could Grow/Regenerate... i think that would be a Pretty Cool way to add something to the Organisms Life-Cycle.

Ps. I'm with MonsterZero rather like when dealing with The Thing, your best defence would be to freeze it, as there's probably no other way to contain it!

There was no easy way to dispose of Giger's Big Chap from ALIEN. If you shoot, cut, flame thrower it, you risk acid bleed breaching the hull. Plus, I'm sure it had an adverse resistance to most things, I doubt you could kill it! Plus, Ridley now hints at the Alien having regenerative properties, so...

Remember, it was still alive when the Narcissus's engine blew it out into space.

JC's Bugs were easily disposed of, huge mistake in my book! That's why I disregard them, they diminished the whole concept of what the Alien was. Ruined the whole mystery & terrifying, unknown entity factor.

Talking about ALIEN GAMES...

Who remembers ALIENS on the ZX Spectrum?

That was Hard.... and Stressful ;)

It had been Remade for PC and improved a little.. HERE is a Video its called LV-426

Oh i forgot.... Welcome Back I-Raptus

I think with ALIEN we have to remember they had to take precautions to NOT Kill the Xenomorph on the Ship as the ACID would cause a Hull Breach, and with the Game Alien Isolation it was the same Principle, which is to Survive against the Xenomorph when you dont have any Fire Power.

With ALIENS we can forgive how Easy they was to KILL due to the Marines having High Power Explosive Rounds.

ALIEN 3 was a bit SILLY how the Xenomorph Survived the Molten Metal.

Alien Covenant we saw the Neomorph and Xenomomorph took quite a bit to KILL, but then we have to Consider the Covenant Security Weapons would NOT be as devastating as the Colonial Marines.

A lot of Video Games are made for Fun, some can be on the more Easier Side..... Imagine the Old School Doom games (or Newer Ones) with only 25 Hit Points instead of 100... that would make for a Super Hard Game Franchise.

The problem with the AVP is the xenomorphs specially Grid, Grid was basically the xenomorph version of a Marry Sue. Paul W S Anderson can't write himself a coherent story to get himself out of a wet paper bag.

Alien Isolation is a fun game, scary but very fun. Yeah fire in the Alien Movies just only scared the xenos, the fire weakness was only present in the games to give the human players a fighting chance otherwise in multiplayer, the human players would be quite screwed. 

THE XENO IS UNSTOPPABLE IN THAT GAME!

Alien isolation is too hard for me,i can't clear chapter 4,and also after the first level of alien colonial marines,it was easy.

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@ Kamoebas V.6,

Aliens: Colonial Marines is one of the worst video games ever made. The difficulty for this game is so low a newborn child could complete the game using only one hand.

If you think the Xenomorph is so easy to kill then why not try your hand at playing Alien Isolation, or if you have a Commodore 64/ZX Spectrum/Amstrad CPC emulator the video game Alien, released in 1984 (developed by Concept Software).

Just looked into From Beyond and its based off a Short Story by HP Lovecraft of the Same Name!

A Scientist Creates a Electronic Device that emits a Resonance Wave that affects a Persons Pineal Gland (same Plot as the Movie) this allows them to Perceive Planes of Existence outside of the Scope of Reality...

To connect to Alternative Dimensions, where Alien Creatures of this Dimension can also perceive the person using the Device, and interact with our Reality.

So i think indeed FROM BEYOND could be a Good Basis to Expand the PLOT of the Prequels....  those Ancient Engineers maybe FAILED to attain GODHEAD...

Then Thousands of Years latter other Engineers could attempt the same and Unleash some Organisms into our Realm, and the Engineers then Experimented with these Organisms on LV-223.

Thus LV-223 Engineers tried to replicate what their Ancient Ancestors had done, maybe seeing their Ancestors may NOT quite have Transcended to the Divine State they believed they was on the Verge of... but Instead they became (or so the LV-223 Engineers assumed) a Symbiosis relationship a kind of Merger with the Horrors from another Dimension, they did not become GODHEAD... but became Joined with another Organism....FROM BEYOND. (Kind of the opposite to the Dark Crystal Plot of Splitting into TWO Races... maybe the Ancient Engineers and another Species from Beyond had Merged into ONE).

So the LV-223 Engineers became interested in this, but all they could do was BRING over some Organisms and so they did there best to use their CREATION Tools to Experiment with these Organisms... thinking that ONCE they Perfected a Way to MERGE with them... they would become GODLIKE!

Some of those Organisms from..... HP Lovecrafts (From Beyond) do look like the Concepts shown from Star Beast (Mural) and indeed the Trilobite Concept, and indeed Holloway Infection from Alien Engineers.

So maybe such a TWIST as i suggest could WORK?

Going back to the Alien 01 The Master Narrative could be a way to Introduce another Layer to the Cake!

There are some Interesting things that Conflict Alien Covenant or maybe!

"Individual Engineers live for a hundred thousand years, Ages ago their race abandoned sex and gender"

The Full Paragraph also mentions they Lost the Ability to Procreate...

However with Alien covenant we see there are Males/Females and Infants/Children (Davids Notes). So this shows these beings have NOT given up Gender or Procreation... also RS said those Planet 4 Engineers live for about 150 years.

This could be a case that the Idea of the Engineers presented in the Alien 01 The Master Narrative had been Changed/Scraped!

"shepherded the human race towards sentience and civilization, sharing DNA and their habitat, teaching humanity's teachers."

Humanity's Teachers could just be our Ancestors who pass on what the Engineers had taught!

But we could still Speculate if "teaching humanity's teachers." could be used to indicate another Sub-Faction or Sub-Creation of Engineers.

So there could be ROOM to Introduce us to the Engineers who had Attained Transcendence..

Or Explain what became of these beings after they had Attempted and Failed to Accomplish this... if they Failed to become beings that have NO Physical Form, then what kind of Form had they Evolved themselves too... What Horrors!

The 1986 Movie From Beyond deals with Scientist trying to enter other Dimensions through a Subconscious Transcendence with Dire Consequences... Mutated into a Horrific Form!

This opens up the Potential for those Engineers to have done similar, and Failed in their Quest to become Multi Dimensional beings without Form, into Horrific Mutants... so that could get VERY like HP Lovecraft works ;)

Maybe a Hubris of Future Engineers who Sub-Create a Enhanced Version or attempt to Evolve themselves and then maybe Incorporate some of the Horrific Forms their Masters had became... this could have led to those Engineers Unleashing something else... that they then Experimented on and HENCE the LV-223 Experiments?

This also sounds  like the Dark Crystal Broad Plot..... in regards to what the Fallen urSkeks  had attempted... they Failed and became Split into TWO Different Races... i mention this as the Source i had back in Early 2015 Claimed that Prometheus Pandemonium's plot was similar.

I think we can agree there are Inspirations... i think we Discussed on another Topic about a GOD or similar that has NO Physical Form... so its how would such a Entity Exist and be able to Influence/be a Threat....  they would be Magical to a Degree in that case...

But it was only the other day after i had decided to WATCH the Furious Gods Again, and i watched it via a ONLINE Video instead of on the TV with Blu-Ray, when i noticed and Paused at some of the Pitch which seemed to Indicate more to that Original Idea.

"The Engineers Believe themselves to be on the verge of a great evolution, a Transcendence in which they will abandon their physical form and then take flight into the ten-dimensional multiverse as creatures of pure energy."

So this indicated a very HP Lovecraft inspired and Space 2001 approach... ;)

But we dont have the FULL Document that Jon spaights had made to Pitch to Ridley Scott, so we can only Speculate how many pages and what depth it went into.

Did those Engineers in his Pitch, accomplish that Transcendence?  Did the attempt just lead to a Catastrophe.... (you cant play GOD).

Regarding Prometheus then i was drawn to the Event being the Catalyst for the Cambrian Explosion

Alien Engineers was a bit different, the Sacrificial Scene happened 12'000 years ago where a Earlier Humanoid Female was Upgraded via the Sacrifice... some overlook this to think the Engineers merely just Evolved a Earlier Hominid... and so DID-NOT Create us.

But if they look at the Drafts in detail, then Dr Watts (Shaw) and Holloway's findings discover a Change in our Genomes every 12'000 years, which indicated the Engineers had done this Prior to 12'000 years ago Sacrificial Scene, so they would have done this 24'000 Years ago, 36'000 Years ago etc etc, SHAPING every Evolutionary Process of our Hominid Ancestors

Of course things Change with each Draft and what we have in Prometheus and especially with the Theatrical Cut, could/would have changed a bit in some areas compared to the Inception of Jon Spaights Original Idea/Pitch.

So a lot of that Pitch is maybe NOT relevant to the Engineers, well maybe.... its Interesting to wonder if it could be still, and WHO KNOWS... if they could have gone back to some of the Unused/Not shown ideas in Future Movies regarding the Engineers.

I dont think anyone is a Xenomorph Expert we can only Speculate about it as its something that is Changed Movie to Movie and Medium to Medium ;)

I think the Thing to remember is we have had many Incarnations of the Xenomorph as far as HOW it is Portrayed......

Like i mentioned prior it appeared to be more Resilient in some Movies, i think that the AVP Movie is a Good Indication of what the Xenomorph is capable of (not AVPR though).....

I think we need to Consider that the PREQUELS and Concept of the Prequels had indicated the Xenomorph is a ENGINEERED KILLING MACHINE....  Be that it was Engineered by David or the Engineers it was Regardless a Engineered Weapon.

How do you deal with it?

BRUTE FORCE and Containment... you have to use Heavy Firepower and Contain the Spread of the Organism.

The Xenomorph is a VERY Efficient Predator, you can try and RUN... but maybe cant HIDE...

Environment is its Ally... and Enemy...

Its difficult to Barricade against it, only the Best Defenses like that would work... but one Hick Up and a Break of this Defense and your in Trouble... being Caught in a Enclosed Environment is NOT Good News.

Being ALONE is also not Good News....  you need to Rest!

The Weakness of the Xenomorph is being out in the OPEN.. where you have a Location that is not Built Up... No place to Hide, and a Large Area of Low Grass or Flat Planes.....  

A Area that is FLAT for a Large Distance, of say 1000M in all Directions....   Then you NEED some Fire Power, that is Heavy, and has Good Range....

A Good Supply of Ammo and a Ratio of Arms/Personal to Xenomorph and then its kind of a Piece of Cake!

Well as long as its Quite Light outside.... in the Darkness things become more Difficult ;)

Other than that.... then bring along Ripley with a Tooth Pick and you will SURVIVE lol

I think the pitch is very much Arthur C. Clarke's (and Stanley Kubrick's) "2001: A Space Odyssey". Prometheus has many similarities and Ridley Scott was of course very much influenced by it.

In 2001, the "gods" aren't beings, they are minds and energy, they have transcended the physical. But just as the Engineers they watch over the development of worlds, helping them evolve.

Neither in 2001 nor in Prometheus are we shown that the "gods" create life, they might just help evolve life. The sacrificial Engineer in Prometheus might perhaps be the cause of "The Cambrian Explosion"?