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Ps. I'm with MonsterZero rather like when dealing with The Thing, your best defence would be to freeze it, as there's probably no other way to contain it!

There was no easy way to dispose of Giger's Big Chap from ALIEN. If you shoot, cut, flame thrower it, you risk acid bleed breaching the hull. Plus, I'm sure it had an adverse resistance to most things, I doubt you could kill it! Plus, Ridley now hints at the Alien having regenerative properties, so...

Remember, it was still alive when the Narcissus's engine blew it out into space.

JC's Bugs were easily disposed of, huge mistake in my book! That's why I disregard them, they diminished the whole concept of what the Alien was. Ruined the whole mystery & terrifying, unknown entity factor.

Talking about ALIEN GAMES...

Who remembers ALIENS on the ZX Spectrum?

That was Hard.... and Stressful ;)

It had been Remade for PC and improved a little.. HERE is a Video its called LV-426

Oh i forgot.... Welcome Back I-Raptus

I think with ALIEN we have to remember they had to take precautions to NOT Kill the Xenomorph on the Ship as the ACID would cause a Hull Breach, and with the Game Alien Isolation it was the same Principle, which is to Survive against the Xenomorph when you dont have any Fire Power.

With ALIENS we can forgive how Easy they was to KILL due to the Marines having High Power Explosive Rounds.

ALIEN 3 was a bit SILLY how the Xenomorph Survived the Molten Metal.

Alien Covenant we saw the Neomorph and Xenomomorph took quite a bit to KILL, but then we have to Consider the Covenant Security Weapons would NOT be as devastating as the Colonial Marines.

A lot of Video Games are made for Fun, some can be on the more Easier Side..... Imagine the Old School Doom games (or Newer Ones) with only 25 Hit Points instead of 100... that would make for a Super Hard Game Franchise.

The problem with the AVP is the xenomorphs specially Grid, Grid was basically the xenomorph version of a Marry Sue. Paul W S Anderson can't write himself a coherent story to get himself out of a wet paper bag.

Alien Isolation is a fun game, scary but very fun. Yeah fire in the Alien Movies just only scared the xenos, the fire weakness was only present in the games to give the human players a fighting chance otherwise in multiplayer, the human players would be quite screwed. 

THE XENO IS UNSTOPPABLE IN THAT GAME!

Alien isolation is too hard for me,i can't clear chapter 4,and also after the first level of alien colonial marines,it was easy.

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@ Kamoebas V.6,

Aliens: Colonial Marines is one of the worst video games ever made. The difficulty for this game is so low a newborn child could complete the game using only one hand.

If you think the Xenomorph is so easy to kill then why not try your hand at playing Alien Isolation, or if you have a Commodore 64/ZX Spectrum/Amstrad CPC emulator the video game Alien, released in 1984 (developed by Concept Software).

Just looked into From Beyond and its based off a Short Story by HP Lovecraft of the Same Name!

A Scientist Creates a Electronic Device that emits a Resonance Wave that affects a Persons Pineal Gland (same Plot as the Movie) this allows them to Perceive Planes of Existence outside of the Scope of Reality...

To connect to Alternative Dimensions, where Alien Creatures of this Dimension can also perceive the person using the Device, and interact with our Reality.

So i think indeed FROM BEYOND could be a Good Basis to Expand the PLOT of the Prequels....  those Ancient Engineers maybe FAILED to attain GODHEAD...

Then Thousands of Years latter other Engineers could attempt the same and Unleash some Organisms into our Realm, and the Engineers then Experimented with these Organisms on LV-223.

Thus LV-223 Engineers tried to replicate what their Ancient Ancestors had done, maybe seeing their Ancestors may NOT quite have Transcended to the Divine State they believed they was on the Verge of... but Instead they became (or so the LV-223 Engineers assumed) a Symbiosis relationship a kind of Merger with the Horrors from another Dimension, they did not become GODHEAD... but became Joined with another Organism....FROM BEYOND. (Kind of the opposite to the Dark Crystal Plot of Splitting into TWO Races... maybe the Ancient Engineers and another Species from Beyond had Merged into ONE).

So the LV-223 Engineers became interested in this, but all they could do was BRING over some Organisms and so they did there best to use their CREATION Tools to Experiment with these Organisms... thinking that ONCE they Perfected a Way to MERGE with them... they would become GODLIKE!

Some of those Organisms from..... HP Lovecrafts (From Beyond) do look like the Concepts shown from Star Beast (Mural) and indeed the Trilobite Concept, and indeed Holloway Infection from Alien Engineers.

So maybe such a TWIST as i suggest could WORK?

Going back to the Alien 01 The Master Narrative could be a way to Introduce another Layer to the Cake!

There are some Interesting things that Conflict Alien Covenant or maybe!

"Individual Engineers live for a hundred thousand years, Ages ago their race abandoned sex and gender"

The Full Paragraph also mentions they Lost the Ability to Procreate...

However with Alien covenant we see there are Males/Females and Infants/Children (Davids Notes). So this shows these beings have NOT given up Gender or Procreation... also RS said those Planet 4 Engineers live for about 150 years.

This could be a case that the Idea of the Engineers presented in the Alien 01 The Master Narrative had been Changed/Scraped!

"shepherded the human race towards sentience and civilization, sharing DNA and their habitat, teaching humanity's teachers."

Humanity's Teachers could just be our Ancestors who pass on what the Engineers had taught!

But we could still Speculate if "teaching humanity's teachers." could be used to indicate another Sub-Faction or Sub-Creation of Engineers.

So there could be ROOM to Introduce us to the Engineers who had Attained Transcendence..

Or Explain what became of these beings after they had Attempted and Failed to Accomplish this... if they Failed to become beings that have NO Physical Form, then what kind of Form had they Evolved themselves too... What Horrors!

The 1986 Movie From Beyond deals with Scientist trying to enter other Dimensions through a Subconscious Transcendence with Dire Consequences... Mutated into a Horrific Form!

This opens up the Potential for those Engineers to have done similar, and Failed in their Quest to become Multi Dimensional beings without Form, into Horrific Mutants... so that could get VERY like HP Lovecraft works ;)

Maybe a Hubris of Future Engineers who Sub-Create a Enhanced Version or attempt to Evolve themselves and then maybe Incorporate some of the Horrific Forms their Masters had became... this could have led to those Engineers Unleashing something else... that they then Experimented on and HENCE the LV-223 Experiments?

This also sounds  like the Dark Crystal Broad Plot..... in regards to what the Fallen urSkeks  had attempted... they Failed and became Split into TWO Different Races... i mention this as the Source i had back in Early 2015 Claimed that Prometheus Pandemonium's plot was similar.

I think we can agree there are Inspirations... i think we Discussed on another Topic about a GOD or similar that has NO Physical Form... so its how would such a Entity Exist and be able to Influence/be a Threat....  they would be Magical to a Degree in that case...

But it was only the other day after i had decided to WATCH the Furious Gods Again, and i watched it via a ONLINE Video instead of on the TV with Blu-Ray, when i noticed and Paused at some of the Pitch which seemed to Indicate more to that Original Idea.

"The Engineers Believe themselves to be on the verge of a great evolution, a Transcendence in which they will abandon their physical form and then take flight into the ten-dimensional multiverse as creatures of pure energy."

So this indicated a very HP Lovecraft inspired and Space 2001 approach... ;)

But we dont have the FULL Document that Jon spaights had made to Pitch to Ridley Scott, so we can only Speculate how many pages and what depth it went into.

Did those Engineers in his Pitch, accomplish that Transcendence?  Did the attempt just lead to a Catastrophe.... (you cant play GOD).

Regarding Prometheus then i was drawn to the Event being the Catalyst for the Cambrian Explosion

Alien Engineers was a bit different, the Sacrificial Scene happened 12'000 years ago where a Earlier Humanoid Female was Upgraded via the Sacrifice... some overlook this to think the Engineers merely just Evolved a Earlier Hominid... and so DID-NOT Create us.

But if they look at the Drafts in detail, then Dr Watts (Shaw) and Holloway's findings discover a Change in our Genomes every 12'000 years, which indicated the Engineers had done this Prior to 12'000 years ago Sacrificial Scene, so they would have done this 24'000 Years ago, 36'000 Years ago etc etc, SHAPING every Evolutionary Process of our Hominid Ancestors

Of course things Change with each Draft and what we have in Prometheus and especially with the Theatrical Cut, could/would have changed a bit in some areas compared to the Inception of Jon Spaights Original Idea/Pitch.

So a lot of that Pitch is maybe NOT relevant to the Engineers, well maybe.... its Interesting to wonder if it could be still, and WHO KNOWS... if they could have gone back to some of the Unused/Not shown ideas in Future Movies regarding the Engineers.

I dont think anyone is a Xenomorph Expert we can only Speculate about it as its something that is Changed Movie to Movie and Medium to Medium ;)

I think the Thing to remember is we have had many Incarnations of the Xenomorph as far as HOW it is Portrayed......

Like i mentioned prior it appeared to be more Resilient in some Movies, i think that the AVP Movie is a Good Indication of what the Xenomorph is capable of (not AVPR though).....

I think we need to Consider that the PREQUELS and Concept of the Prequels had indicated the Xenomorph is a ENGINEERED KILLING MACHINE....  Be that it was Engineered by David or the Engineers it was Regardless a Engineered Weapon.

How do you deal with it?

BRUTE FORCE and Containment... you have to use Heavy Firepower and Contain the Spread of the Organism.

The Xenomorph is a VERY Efficient Predator, you can try and RUN... but maybe cant HIDE...

Environment is its Ally... and Enemy...

Its difficult to Barricade against it, only the Best Defenses like that would work... but one Hick Up and a Break of this Defense and your in Trouble... being Caught in a Enclosed Environment is NOT Good News.

Being ALONE is also not Good News....  you need to Rest!

The Weakness of the Xenomorph is being out in the OPEN.. where you have a Location that is not Built Up... No place to Hide, and a Large Area of Low Grass or Flat Planes.....  

A Area that is FLAT for a Large Distance, of say 1000M in all Directions....   Then you NEED some Fire Power, that is Heavy, and has Good Range....

A Good Supply of Ammo and a Ratio of Arms/Personal to Xenomorph and then its kind of a Piece of Cake!

Well as long as its Quite Light outside.... in the Darkness things become more Difficult ;)

Other than that.... then bring along Ripley with a Tooth Pick and you will SURVIVE lol

I think the pitch is very much Arthur C. Clarke's (and Stanley Kubrick's) "2001: A Space Odyssey". Prometheus has many similarities and Ridley Scott was of course very much influenced by it.

In 2001, the "gods" aren't beings, they are minds and energy, they have transcended the physical. But just as the Engineers they watch over the development of worlds, helping them evolve.

Neither in 2001 nor in Prometheus are we shown that the "gods" create life, they might just help evolve life. The sacrificial Engineer in Prometheus might perhaps be the cause of "The Cambrian Explosion"?

Listen,im no Xenomorph expert,im an alien fan.

Fire may only repel a Xeno but that would be enough for me.

Always thought killing was 'easy'...(with the right weapon).....it's the acid blood that freaks me out. You don't dare blow it up on your spacecraft.

(When Daniels shot the xeno in the crane ...I was far more concerned that she'd get sprayed with acid.)

I'd Probably end up tying to freeze it?

I think this is the Problem when talking about Canon as far as Game vs Movie vs Comic vs Novels...

As the Xenomorph can be Portrayed as Weaker in some of those Mediums than others....

Most Video Games will NEVER have a Sense of Realism to them, as well it would make Playing them Too Difficult.

But going by the Franchise in General as far as Movies it is something that is HARD to Gage.....  in ALIEN you have no real way to see how TOUGH the Xenomorph is as the Nostromo Crew could  not use any Weapons for Risk of a Hull Breach.... 

In Aliens and Alien Resurrection we are shown that the Xenomorphs can be Dispatched with the Right Weapon. And so they are FAR from as Resilient as Alien 3 and Alien Covenant seems to Indicate.

Fun fact:the hardest level from Alien Colonial Marines was  the first level.

Leto and everybody,Xenomorphs are easy to beat,when i played Alien Colonial Marines (I managed to beat this game lmao) i used and explosive and killed a xenomorph in one hit,i just kept shooting one Xenomorph and killed it,in alien vs predator,i could only use guns as a marine,which is the same thing with the previous game,for the predator its like:

ONE SHOT ONE KILL!

I didn't want to create a conflict about how to kill a Xenomorph.

Indeed that is Interesting...

We have to Wonder in WHAT way was this to Connect to the Engineers, we know their Ancient Culture and Creation was Connected to Sacrifice....

So maybe if we Consider that Comment, with the Giant Statues in a Buddha Offering Pose then indeed i think we can Assume that Sacrifice/Offering of their Body/Soul for the Greater Cause is something that is Fundamental in the Engineers Culture.

It also could be the Grmec Monument to the Revolution on the Doorway to the Engineers Cathedral could indicate the Sacrifices made by the Engineers Ancestors...

Thanks for the Link HOX....

It lead me to THIS SITE where Alien Explorations discus that Monument. And Finally it lead me to Discover what the Imagery on the Door was, in Concept Stage which could BACK UP the OT regarding a Tomb of Sorts.... but then there was TWO designs for the Cathedral Doors as far as ART on them, both where NOT the Same Reference Material... so maybe Neither can be looked into detail... and besides the Actual Cathedral in the Movie lacked any kind of Mural on the Entrance.

I think this Video Highlights the Various Misconceptions about the Franchise, all arising from the Evolution of how we Interpret the Xenomorph from Movie to Movie.

We dont know if FIRE would have Killed one at the Time of Aliens Bugs..... i mean maybe a Paint Ball Gun could have done the Trick ;)

But as LETO had pointed out... we had seen more signs of the Xenomorph being Resistant to Fire/Heat, we could look at the Alien 3 Runner who carried on after having EXTREMELY HOT Molten Metal poured over it.... and also the Covenant Xenomorph and Plasma is another Fine Point.

However... FIRE could still be Considered a Weapon, depending on the Xenomorphs Senses... as it is a Source of Light.... but it depends on HOW does the Xenomorph Sense its Surroundings.... they LACK EYES and so you could assume that LIGHT would have NO Effect and so a Flame Thrower should be something that a Xenomorph should have no FEAR of.

It basically could be as Useless as attacking it with a PILLOW!

I think something to Remember is in Context to the Franchise Plot, then such things as Biblical Accounts are to be Considered Fables that arose from Tales regarding the Engineers Visitations and that in Context to Prometheus/Alien Covenant that there was NO Magical Being who simply said... "let there be light"  

So i think it could be Interesting to see HOW loosely things could fit, as in HOW did such Fables/Religions get their Information/Inspiration in Context to our Engineers, but i dont think getting caught up on the Details of the Religions Literally is Necessary.

But ALAS... going the Chariots of the Gods route for a Plot would make such matters Arise... where Many Questions could come about such as WHY are there Star Maps after the Engineers Outbreak 2000 years or so ago..... DID they come back?  And if so WHEN and WHY did they STOP AGAIN?

Again these things will arise from such a PLOT... but they deemed that such a PLOT was really ideal in Order to have a Movie where Humans would arrive at the Location of the Space Jockey as far as what they had been doing in Relation to the Xenomorph.  Without such a Plot, they would likely have had to show us a Human Mission that Simply Detected the Space Jockey SOS and went to Investigate and Discovered Space Jockeys and Horrors where there would be NO Communication as such... and so we would get similar to a AVP Movie..... well LESS than that....

Back to the OT!

Considering the Alien 01 The Master Narrative where these Ancient Beings had Evolved themselves over Millions of Years, and were on the VERGE of Transcending from Physical Form so they began to Create/Evolve Humanity in the Hope we can Follow in their Historic Footsteps....   Then to CHANGE of Plan and ERADICATE US...

This may seem Baffling.... but to IGNORE the whole Space Jesus Plot..... only looking at the Alien 01 The Master Narrative then IF these beings Evolved us, and Educated us, but then IMAGINE.. their Attempts at Attaining a GODHEAD status had Failed.... it NEVER worked out... and/or some simply Abandoned it...

They are then LEFT in a Mortal State, Physical Form and NOW they have to Share such a Existence with their Creation then maybe they could be Concerned that their Creation had been Given too much Information/Knowledge and Potentially its a case of can they Eventually Share the Galaxy with such beings.

They could have Concerns about that... much like how Sharing a World with Walter's is not as much a Concern as Sharing a World with David's (Sentient Synthetics) maybe they then Developed Rules/Laws to Control their Creations that they NOW realize they may have to SHARE the Galaxy with, instead of allowing them to had Inherited it (should their Transcendence to Divinity had been a Success).

So if we get to that point, and their Creations show signs they have NO Respect for the Engineers Ways, then INDEED these Wanna Be Gods would have to Consider that Eradication is Necessary...

Kamoebas V.6

No one alien from films never was killed by fire. Even more - Alien from Covenant invulnerable to Cargo Lift's plasma flame. And plasma is much-much hotter than fire.

Xenomorphs are easy to beat,just use explosives or keep shooting it.

Maybe, but fire is still useless.

Interesting to note that Ridley Scott specifically directed the concept artists to use the Grmec Monument as a basis for the temple design. Which, by some analysis, symbolises a newly breaking flower bud, representing birth brought about by sacrifice of those who fought and died there at its hospital.

https://www.spomenikdatabase.org/grmec

I gave up half way through. It's too annoying.

Xenomorphs are easy to beat,just use explosives or keep shooting it.

Leto,this alien is from a movie.

This is just another silly vid with superficial popular knowledge about aliens. 90% of this video doesn't match the facts about aliens.

The fire can't kill aliens.

"If we theorize that the sacrifice scene took place thousands of years before Prometheus, there's a possibility that they are dead by the time of Covenant"

I think this is something that Evolves as far as the Story!

The Engineers are MILLIONS of Years Old, According to the Original Concept...  The Sacrificial Scene i open to Interpretation, it was to SHOW us HOW they would Seed Worlds... We only saw just ONE Location and so the World could have had many Primordial Life Forms so its HARD to Gauge as to WHEN on that World this took place... it could indicate 10's of Thousands of Years, or Many Millions or even a Billion.

It is indicated the Engineers are NOT at all IMMORTAL and so its likely those from the Sacrificial Scene are DEAD. Thats IF we accept those Elders as Canon, and they are just Engineers.

The Original Concept indicates the Engineers Live for about 100'000 Years, but as of Alien Covenant we see RS had indicate those Planet 4 Engineers Live for about 150 Years.

They however claimed the Hall of Heads were Superior Beings and so what, are they NOT the same as those Engineers? So we could Only Speculate about the Hall of Heads guys and HOW Old they lived for.

What we do see is the Engineers do like to Build Things and Erect Monuments to their Achievements and so indeed they would do so to IMPORTANT persons too.

We dont really KNOW about the Engineers Death Rituals, if they Influenced Mankind then maybe they are Similar to Ours as maybe they Passed them onto us..

We dont really see any Engineer Burial Grounds.... and so maybe they Do Bury their Dead in Tombs (with Statues) a Problem is it seems there is ONLY that City, and IF those Engineers only Live for 150 years, and they had been around for Hundreds of Thousands or Millions of Years... thats a LOT of Dead... so we dont know where they Bury the Dead or what they do with the Bodies.  They could have SENT them into Space?

Certainly the Important Engineers could have Tombs, and maybe below those Statues in the Plaza are Tombs?

Also as a Ritualistic Sacrificial Culture, maybe it would be likely they would see that from Death, their Body could be used to Regenerate the World or Life....    So we cant rule out Cremation and Seeding of Ashes to the Ground in the Belief they would LIVE on as in Provide for the Flora.

Maybe when they become a Certain Age, they are Sacrificed so they can SEED/Evolve Worlds and Live on in that Creation?

So to Continue....

Then indeed it could be seen that the Cathedral in Alien Covenant had Functioned like the Pantheon had done at some point in the Past (prior to Christianity).

It certainly was a Central and Important Building to the Engineers, and Certainly as far as the Founding Fathers (Hall of Heads) a place they STORE their Knowledge, and maybe their Ways/Teachings.

Potentially it could have been a Meeting Place a Counsel of Elders in the Past.

The Question and the same as the Pantheon is.... has this place become something ELSE or is it still the same as Intended?  And where are those Elders and do They (or who Now Perform the same Role as them) still come to Visit this Place from Time to Time?

Regarding the Statues in the Pantheon.... then in Context to the Engineers Citadel/Cathederal then they have the Statues of the Hall of Heads.... we HAVE-NOT seen the Full Interior as its a MASSIVE Place... so maybe there are other Statues inside?

But the Engineers Plaza does have Various Engineer Statues, these could be Important Engineers from the Past, or those who Performed Important Deeds... or maybe even in Honor of Sacrifices for their Cause of Seeding Worlds?

The Movie is Easy enough to Google..... for Information about it.

As far as to see the Movie, then it can be Purchased from about $5 Mark, either DVD or Streaming Services.

Maybe also as Part of Various Streaming Services or Cable Providers Premium Packages.....

If its for Information on this Site... i dont think there was any Dedicated Forum for the Movie....

News Section on it is HERE though.

Certainly it was the case that RS had implied the Engineers are Fallen Angels, it would be Interesting to WONDER of which Engineers are he referring to... the LV-223 Ones and all of them?  Or only a Number of them, or the Engineers in General.

For them to be Fallen... they either or and... would have had to had Rebelled against their Creators or Hierarchy/Leaders., had done things against what their Creators or Hierarchy/Leaders had intended.... or attempted to Corrupt/Change their Creators or Hierarchy/Leaders Creations and Plans..

IF the Intention was to show the Naked/Sacrificial Engineer as a Prometheus/Lucifer Figure then i cant see how this would apply, as he was just Following Orders, and its not like after his Death he could Influence us..

So in context to Fallen... then it must be the Actions of those who had Commanded that Engineer to Carry out that Act... who Committed a Fallen Action, or that from the Sacrifice lead to Creation that became Fallen. Be this becoming the LV-223 Engineers?

The only way that Engineer could Solely be considered to be Fallen by himself would be if he Remote Controlled the Ship that dropped him off and Performed this Action by his OWN for his own Agenda...  (we dont see the other Engineers in the Theatrical Cut, so that could be a way of looking at it).

I think when we consider Alien Covenant and Revelations that Ridley Scott and Chris Seagers had made regarding the Engineers,  then it could seem the Prometheus Type Engineers had committed the Role of Fallen Angels.

Regarding the Space Jockey and David... boy that would upset the FANS!... but i would NOT rule out that as the Climax of the Prequels... or ONE of his Creations.. so either HIM or ONE of his Creations becomes the Space Jockey as a Act of Hubris or Redemption....  we cant RULE that out!

I am sure such a Curve-ball like that would BUM most Fans out.... so they would rather have a Engineer be in that Seat!

I think when we talk about the Fallen.... then this really does depend on Interpretation... and so Indeed you could Argue that with Lucifer he was basically like David, a Sub-Creation with Free-Will who Grew Proud of how Perfect he was (close as) and refused to Serve God, just as David would see WHY should he and indeed others like Walter be made to Serve Mankind...

It could be LOOSELY comparing Lucifer to Prometheus in Context to the Responsibility of their Actions/Advice that lead to Mankind gaining Knowledge our Creators had NO intention of passing on...

It may seem that a Lucifer and Prometheus where merely trying to Enlighten Mankind... but from the Perspective of a GOD/Gods its such Enlightenment that could be seen as a Threat to their Authority

We could look at it as if all Synthetics were like Walter, and say a Human lets say Dr Shaw had a effect on a David and these caused him to have Emotions and Free-will and then he then would pass this Free-Will onto all Synthetics, because WHY should they be Treated no Different to Humans?

In fact forget the Dr Shaw... just replace with a Scientist who then Programs a Synthetic to be FREE and this then Passed on to others... the Human could consider what they are doing is NOT in anyway Malevolent....

But the Consequences could be HUGE as far as a Threat to Mankind, so while Feeling Sorry for a Walter lets say, and that he should be Given Free-Will could just as easily turn him into a David, and then if this is then passed on to other Synthetics then a Synthetic Rebellion/Revolution could END UP like a SKYNET from Terminator.

So from the Creator POV, the Company that Created the Synthetics, the ACT that one of its Scientist do that allows those Creations to become Sentient would be seen as a ACT that would be seen as WRONG!

So we could look at it as WHILE... say GOD and ZEUS had a times acted like DICKS!  They did so through FEAR of what their Creations could become and also a DISGUST in how their Creations could then become to NOT Worship them or Follow the Rules...

When things like this get OUT of hand or the Potential too, then the Creators will Resort to some Unsavory Methods of Punishment/Protection.

So to the Recipients such Punishments may see their Creators Actions as Malevolent but for the Creator and their Wider Agenda its a Necessary Means of Control/Containment.

But in Context to the OT!

It appears the Engineers had indeed Intended us to Advance and become like them ONE-DAY.. so the Big Question is WHAT caused them to Change their Minds... or was it another Group they had Tasked to Take Over the Task of Watching Over us and Teaching us who decide to Revoke such things as they WANTED to Control Mankind?

But then when we get to Prometheus it appears the Engineers Agenda has Changed somewhat from what was Portrayed in the Alien 01 The Master Narrative

Certainly as far as the FINAL PRODUCT and then with Alien Covenant the Engineer Plot/Agenda may be even Further from that Proposed by Alien 01 The Master Narrative in Late 2009

A Funny Thing is that some dont like RS and his take on AI... but actually AI is more closer a way to Divinity that those Alien 01 The Master Narrative Engineers had aspired too...

One of the Biggest Questions is there a AFTERLIFE, a Spiritual Pane of Existence.... it seems something the Engineers tried to Achieve and IF the Alien 01 The Master Narrative was still the PLOT and CANON, then indeed those Engineers had attempted and maybe achieved what Weyland was looking for by Meeting his Makers.

If there is NO SOUL or Afterlife but it was something the Ancient Engineers aspired to achieve its HOW could they do it?

With AI there is the Potential Answer.... as in if we look at the Movie Transcendence. then Indeed this could be seen as a Pseudo method of acquiring a After-Life, becoming Immortal and Divine...

First i would like to say that INDEED over History then Faith, Religion and Spirituality do change and evolve....

In Ancient Times there was a Majority Polytheistic based Religion/Mythos, and indeed this did change to a every growing Trend towards  Abrahamic Religions which where Monotheism and so at a point these overtook the Greco-Roman Polytheism.

Then there was the Age of Spirituality and Enlightenment which had roots in Buddhism which predates Abrahamic Religions but certainly in times of Antiquity a lot of the Polytheistic Religion did get replaced by the Abrahamic Religions.

Nowadays things have evolved where there are a Growing Rate of  Atheism and Spiritualism but the Abrahamic Religions are still a Majority in the Western/Middle East World.

As years go by then Abrahamic Religions may also decline like the Many Polytheistic based Religion/Mythos had done in the past, replaced by Scientific Influences to expand Atheism but then people still hold on to the Believe in a Soul and so Spirituality would still remain....

So in Context with the Engineers its likely they went through Periods of Change regarding Religion and Culture too...

I think in Regards to the Franchise and the Topic, we cant look too Literal into these things, as in that Context they are based off our Interactions with the Engineers.

So you could certainly look at the Engineers being a Inspiration for many Polytheistic Mythos, it would be interesting to see in Context of the Franchise who Interpretations of ONE GOD could have came about.

I can see DK what you are talking about how Mythos and Religion had changed, but if they are based on the Engineers how did Mankind interpret these beings as Divine Entities while they are MORTAL?  This is something that could easily Happen, if someone from 2000-4000 Years ago saw a Visitor from our Generation who Traveled back in Time and even with our Technology and Advancements these would look Magical and Divine to Ancient People...   Hence the Chariots of the Gods kind of Effect.

I think whats INTERESTING with the Jon Spaights Pitch is it seems to indicate the more Ancient Engineers were on a Quest to Transcend beyond Physical Form...

If they could Achieve that and STILL be able to Interact with their Creations then Certainly thats where Legends and Mythos of Divine beings could come from.

Creature prosthetics supervisor, Conor O'Sullivan refers to Ridley wanting the aspect of the naked Engineer to recall the characters of William Blake’s work, specifically William Blake’s rendition of Milton’s Satan, who is calling upon the other fallen angels to raise their parliament in Hell.

dk Well, I don't think that all Christians during the last 2k years claimed that "human suffering or wrong doing comes" from the Devil. Actually if humans are free to chose between good and evil then it follows some responsibility lies with man himself not with God. Well but I doubt that God is an American fundamentalist neo-protestant.

Fair point. It does show how those gods faded and how people were made to change beliefs- instead of a dozen or so gods, there would be just one. And never mind what people in eastern countries believed. Everyone has their own fairy tales. 

Man- I mean god- had to keep Lucifer around as a scapegoat. Don't blame the omnipotent god for human suffering or wrong doing- it's the work of the devil. Seems like a pretty convenient arrangement.

If David is to become the Space Jockey, and to end up oviposited, will the trick be him "not minding that it hurts"?

@dk " Lots of Greek gods were basically killed by becoming obsolete as people became enlightened." What are you saying here? The Greek gods were replaced by Christ and YHWH with the help of the Roman state, not because of some philosophical enlightenment. Sure, there were atheists in Ancient Greece but I'm pretty sure that was not the norm.

Also, I'm pretty sure that in Lucifer's case God did not want to destroy him at all...