BigDave, i have the right translation of the sounds and i'm going to Share with you:

"Happy! Happy! My baby is coming now! Happy! Happy! My baby is coming now! Happy! Happy!"

And all makes Sense! David is the space Jockey!

The android gives birth its own creation. It's a rebirth, it's a regenesis!

In the end, we are all Xenos!

We achieved full circle!

'Alien: rebirth', or 'Alien: regenesis', amazing titles for the sequel of covenant, i think!

"In space, nobody hears you giving birth!"

Definition of regenesis in English:

regenesis

NOUN

• The fact or process of forming or being formed again or a further time.

One thing i can add to the Debate would be about the Cargo Hold.... i made this image roughly to scale.

This shows that the CARGO HOLD... can not be located under the Derelict... and if you look at the Cargo Hold and Image of Derelict above it, they are about to the right scale (based on Human compared to them) and we can see the Cargo Hold image does-not even cover all of the Cargo Hold that Cargo Hold looks like it could be at least 4-6X Larger (as far as the Length of it).  So indeed it CANT fit inside the Derelict!

Only unless we suspend what we see, and its a Oversight... UNLESS the Ship uses Dr Who Tardis Technology.

In context to the OT!

If we do accept that the Cargo Hold is NOT part of the Ship and the Derelict is Parked Above it, then i think this increases the Chances of the Cargo Hold Surviving the Destruction of Hadleys Hope.

EDIT:

Done another image where i mirrored the Kane Descending Shot, Scaled the him to the Vaginal Entrance and i have noted the Space Under the Pilot Chamber with the Rectangle and placed it also in the Cargo Hold, the Arrows show the Cargo Hold Snakes around the Corners which shows even in this Mirrored Shot we could be looking at only 1/4th of the Cargo Hold maybe 1/8th.

Regardless Kane is to Approx Scale so the Egg Hold Shot is approx to Scale with the Derelict Prop.

Conclusion?   Cargo Hold as Part of the Ship?  Not a Chance!

@kage

Welcome aboard, and i dont intend to be disrespectful here, so please bare with me ;)

I think a lot of confusion came from Prometheus and at HOW it connects with ALIEN, and indeed some were Disappointed with the Deacon and thought so HOW does this relate to the Xenomorph.. its not helped by comments by RS and Lindeloff when they suggest this is the Precursor to the Xenomorph.

What is intended to be shown is that Dr Shaws, Deacon is connected to the Mural Deacon, its just a alternative version, but something similar had been experimented on and Created on LV-223 Thousands of Years ago... that a Few Hundred Years later had lead to the Xenomorph. (RS had confirmed this to a degree, as he stated the Xeno was connected to LV-223, and the Derelict/Space Jockey event happened within a Few Hundred Years of the Outbreak 2000 years ago on LV-223, and that something EVOLVED in the Cargo Hold... when consider that they also said the Deacon was a Predecessor so to speak to the Xenomorph, this indicates the Xenomorph came some 200 or so years after the Outbreak on LV-223 that killed most of the Engineers Off.

A thing to remember is the STUDIO had decided that the whole Engineers Plot was more interesting and NEW and we had seen the Xenomorph over and over, and maybe some Mystery should be kept... so they got in Damon Lindeloff to Pen a New Draft, which then RS had agreed that maybe leaving the Xenomorph a Mystery and going for something else would allow the Prequels to go off on a different Tangent and NOT connect to ALIEN

Likewise it was the STUDIO that had persuaded RS and his Writing Team to change Prometheus 2 to be what we got in Alien Covenant which was a Direct Prequel Route to give Fans Answers and Xenomorphs, this actually is a direction that RS appears to NOT have been a Fan of.

Although we should all throw stones at Ridley Scott because it appears he was the prime reason for the David Created it Plot Change...

Prior to that Ridley Scott just felt the Franchise could and should expand Beyond the Xenomorph which was merely a Ancient Bio-Weapon and once you showed that and HOW/WHEN it got on the Derelict... its a case of whats NEXT?

More Queens, Eggs and Xenomorphs? so he was thinking the Engineers/Space Jockey were the Bigger Picture.

"The Space Jockey...IT IS NOT A SUIT!  Just look at it.  There is no way it is a suit, and there is no way it was originally intended to be a suit.  Writers (or Ridley) just pulled that out of their asses."

Well if its a Skeleton its a Pretty Cartoon Looking one!

Above is the Concept work for the Space Jockey and the Actual Space Jockey from the Movie.  

The Head/Face (A) is what looks like a a Skull especially the Eyes/Mouth on the Actual Movie Prop, but this Skull's is Directly connected to the Chair, just as the Concept Work which is more clearer.

The Body/Rib-cage (B) does look Skeletal on both Concept and Prop.

The Arms (C) do-not look like a Typical Skeleton, even if we look at the Hands and Shoulders and the Arm is Connected to the Chair and looks more like something Synthetic rather than a Skeleton.

The Snorkel (D) does not look Biological on the Concept, but it would pass as such on the Prop, but other shots of the Space Jockey do show it to have some Piping look to it.

Above is 3 Face Huger Concepts, with HR Gigers Mural intended for Alien, and you can not the similarities with the Suits, these also are similar to the Space Jockey (previous Concept posted).   This indicates the Space Jockey was envisioned as a Suit, but also its occupants are BALD Humanoids.  These Predate any Production on ALIEN.

I will say that their are some Differences in Size and Aesthetics to the Derelict/Space Jockey and Juggernaught/Engineers which could allow for us to reveal the Space Jockey and Derelict as things the Engineers had Re-Engineered/Stolen..

I know people were Disappointed with the Engineers as the Space Jockey, despite them appearing in Concept Work for ALIEN.  But it leaves it open to explore the Original Space Jockey Race as either.

1) A Not-So Human looking Race in a Space Suit (as Gavin had indicated)

2) A Totally Bio-Mechanical Being like the Xenomorph, by that i will refer you to this image (especially the Body).

@Gavin

I would certainly welcome something more ALIEN than the Engineers as the 15ft Space Jockey, certainly the Proportions are not the same as the Engineer suits either.

So yeah under the Mask we could get quite Adventurous, or even have the Entire thing a Bio-Mechanical Species.

I think when considering any such idea however, there is one thing that sticks out to me and that is the Signal from LV-426 which MUTHUR deciphers as a WARNING.

Which i think would be a little odd if we assume the Warning was to Warn about a Compromised Cargo and to NOT attempt to enter the Ship.  

If the Space Jockey are a Race who are Willing or Forced to act as Pilots to seed in effect the Eggs that are the Off-Spring of some Species (Xenomorph) that are OVER the Space Jockey in terms of Hierarchy/Power then such a Species would surely not see this a Threat and the Warning would not need to be a Warning, such a Signal like "Hey Boss i got infected by the Cargo so this ship is out of Control"  so the Xenomorphs are informed about the Loss of a Ship and would send someone else down to Recover the Cargo.   If we suggest the Space Jockey is actually related to the Xenomorph (even though we never see the Xenomorph Evolve to look similar) then i think letting off a Warning is even more bizarre...

Maybe we could ponder the Space Jockey is a Xenomorph in  a Space Suit, which we have to ask WHY in which case as a means to Interface with the Ship to Fly it would be the only Logical One i could find...  i would still then ask WHY would they set of a WARNING Beacon.... and is it possible that this Xeno-Jockey can be infected with the Birth Stage of their Species?

To to me the SOS/WARNING fits more with a Race that are using the Xenomorph as a Bio-Weapon or taking them to a place for Experiments (or other purpose).  Maybe if the Space Jockey are a Unrelated Species that are Enslaved to perform this Task for some other Species then the WARNING  could kind of make a bit of sense?

But alas we DONT have any Translation for the Beacon and so we dont know what it could say, and it was not in the Engineer Language but this could be a Oversight.

To me it seems the Signal could be similar to saying "Warning! Warning! the Cargo is Compromised!, Warning! Warning! the Cargo is Compromised! Warning! Warning!"

But thats only based on the Pattern of Different Sounds, and so Word for Word its a Assumption.

Looks exciting DG! I will definitely be watching the countdown clock until the first release :) 

Good Luck and the best with it! 

@ Kage,

I agree with your sentiment, that Scott does not have the franchises best interest at heart. as for the Space Jockey I believe it can be a suit, but in no way do I believe that within that suit is an Engineer, instead imagine a combination of the following two images...

I have previously postulated that the being inside the Space Jockey suit was akin to the second image, evoking Lovecraftian elements into the Alien franchise. However, I now prefer the following - a tall humanoid alien creature whose head looks like the top image (a human proportioned alien-esque dome), but instead of the Aliens tongue-with-teeth inside the creatures mouth, which maybe could open in a similar way to Blade 2's Nomak (pictured below), is a mass of tentacles as per the aforementioned second Lovecraftian image.

A lot of good comments here, very interesting.  And I know people do not want to hear this, but you are all just making excuses for crappy film making by Ridley. 

I do not think he even watched his own movies.

The Space Jockey...IT IS NOT A SUIT!  Just look at it.  There is no way it is a suit, and there is no way it was originally intended to be a suit.  Writers (or Ridley) just pulled that out of their asses.

I liked Prometheus, not many in my circle did.  I was pissed there were no Aliens (I refuse to call them Xenomorphs).  But there were hints of it so I was ok with it.  If you take the fingers off a facehugger it looks EXACTLY like a Hammerpede.  The Deacon was just stupid since you already had a Dead "fossilized" Engineer with a small "bones bent outwards", and not his entire body exploded.  WATCH YOUR OWN MOVIES RIDLEY.

I loved Covenant, but the more I watch and the more I think about it, the more I hate it.  I like this topic because having David be the creator of the Alien is just plane stupid.  Unless it was part of the story (which I doubt) taking the mechanical out of a Bio-mechanical creature...screw you Ridley.

Prometheus was Ridley PURPOSELY NOT including the Alien out of spite and he broke timelines and filled holes just so he could. Hence the Deacon and "Engineer suits". 

Covenant was equally bad because it was Ridley saying "FINE, I'll put the alien back in" but the story was already screwed up so Covenant was written to fill those holes.  He is even quoted as saying "If you want Aliens, I'll give you god damn Aliens" 

Ridleys own ego destroyed the whole thing.  

"Alien is Alpha and Omega of this franchise and all movies must have xenomorphs."

I think it depends how its handled, a lot of Damage has been dealt to the Xenomorph, that has diminished it...  I felt that the Space Jockey Race or introduction to something more ALIEN above them is where we need to go!

But then GAVIN had put a detailed explanation to how to Elevate the Xenomorph in this TOPIC which i added a few things to, and i think YES... if something is Changed and done Right then you can Breath a New Lease of LIFE into the Xenomorph and the Tried/Tested (if not Tired) Formula.

@Gavin

Certainly can buy your reply... your turning me to the DARK (Xeno) Side lol  The Theory could Elevate the Xenomorph, especially maybe with some of the Tweaks i indicate in your other Reply HERE and also expand and carry with it the whole Prometheus Plot too.

"For example, I previous speculated, as BigDave will remember, the possibility that the egg morphing scene in Alien"

Certainly remember those debates, this is the same conclusion i had back 20 years ago, certainly IF this was not the case, the Xenomorph in ALIEN should have also captured Parker and Lambert so it had 2X Eggs and 2X Hosts or 4X Eggs... if the Egg Morph becomes a Queen then it makes sense to only NEED just TWO Captured Hosts. (Egg/Host).

"but the difference in appearance and reproduction method is a glaring inconsistency between the two movies."

That theory does make sense, the other alternative is the Derelict had different Variants of Xenomorph (as shown in Alien Engineers).

"As Chli contends, and I agree, David creating the Alien is a BAD idea."

It actually fits perfectly with the Prometheus Themes, but those themes could have fitted with David Creating a Perfected Version... so while it makes some sense in context to the Themes that RS was exploring... i agree what a Dumb Move, because it Tarnishes the Xenomorph ALIEN Origins, but then fitting with the themes of Perfection, there is scope that the Engineers or Race above them Discover Davids Creation and they EVOLVE/PERFECT it to become the Xenomorph from the Franchise... making David merely the Middle Man and the ALPHA/OMEGA of the Origins ALIEN.

"We were also shown by the Hammerpede's acidic blood and Fifield's original mutation that the black goo mutates whatever it contaminates with Xenomorph traits"

This was the intention, there was a connection, it was open to WHICH way this was.... these Experiments either came from the Xenomorph, or those Experiments and Xenomorph came from another Organism related, or they all derive purely from the Black Goo. So many of the Elaborated ideas from the Drafts would have HELPED as Fifield was more Xeno-Hybrid and had ACID Blood!

"Engineers have human DNA, which according to Shaw predates that of modern humans suggests that the Engineers are primitive humans that somehow left Earth"

Or certainly that Engineers and Mankind Originate from the same World... which could be Paradise (if we look at in context of the Garden of Eden).

" then who is loaning the Engineers the technology and why?"

Interesting and would indeed answer some of the Aesthetic Differences and Similarities, i think that some kind of Symbiotic Relationship could be explored, their is some Benefit to the Engineers for Sacrificing some of their kind for the Purpose of the Derelict and its Production of Eggs...   The Engineers likely STEALING and Reverse Engineering the Derelict certainly appears to be Logical and would take the Franchise to something more ALIEN in its roots.

"the eggs of which were either planted, or possibly "laid" by the aforementioned sexual unison between the pilot and the vessel"

Certainly is something to BUY into, or certainly reveal they required Humanoid Females to attach to the Ship where the Ship basically has SEX with them, well uses the Females Egg Cells and Fertilizes them which then go through a Process in the Egg Chamber to become those Eggs... this would certainly add some Shock Factor.... certainly imagine the LOOK on Dr Shaws face if she discovered this was the Purpose for the Creation of Humans, for Female Sex Partners to those Ships.

"Many have speculated the Engineers may have been sterile and unable to reproduce"

Certainly appeared to be the Plan with the Concept of Prequels, in that Genetically Evolving themselves lead to becoming Sterile... which could give Good Reason for the Creation of Mankind...   Looking at Alien Covenant we have Female Engineers, but could these by the Ancestors of Human Females that were taken to be MATED with Engineers?  Ridley Scott suggest they are the Originals and so our LV-223 Engineers are Engineered/Enhanced versions that likely became Augmented with Xeno-Related Traits, and could indeed become Sterile... which if these beings then view from infection of some Organism related to the Xenomorph that they CAN Create/Birth Life... this could be seen by those Sterile LV-223 Engineers as a reason to WORSHIP such a Organism.

"the Xenomorphs became sterile, likely due to augmenting their DNA with biomechanical technology... Facing extinction they developed a new method of reproduction"

Certainly a interesting TWIST... but the Xenomorph seemed to not be as Intelligent as such a Race that has such Technology... unless the Ancient Organism when using the Space Jockey Hosts would become something Intelligent the ULTRAMORPHS... but when Human Host is used there is something missing/not unlocked with the Human Genome that renders the Off-Spring to become a bit backwards compared to using Engineer Hosts... it would be like Mankind mating with a Ape and say Producing Neanderthals.

"But hidden within the nano viral AI lies the knowledge, history, and consciousnesses of the Xenomorphs of old. "

I am reply to bits as go along, so it seems like i butted in along the way, but indeed as i go further to your posts, i find it VERY interesting with this THEORY ;)

" If one such vessel was responsible for laying the eggs on LV-426, it is a logical deduction that they will have been other such vessels performing the same task elsewhere"

Certainly as i discused with my prior post, the potential for there being just ONE Ship/Hold of Eggs is Unlikely, and your TWIST on the subject is very interesting.

"Finally, and again apology's for the TLDR post,"

I think it was Necessary to Explain in Detail your ideas, which i now can Grasp and Applaud... certainly the DEVIL is the in Detail and for the most Part i can get on board with such a PLOT.

"Could it be, as we were shown in Prometheus that the Juggernauts being sentient ordered the chosen Engineers on LV-223 to unleash the xenomorph weapon on Earth"

I think the Rebellion Aspect is a Theme to KEEP...  i would buy it more that the Engineers are a Creation of the Slave Race that are the Space Jockey, which lead to a Rebellion and FALL of the Ancient Xenomorph... so the Engineers Re-engineered the Technology.

Going back to what i mentioned earlier about what IF the Eggs when infecting the Space Jockey Race would Create ULTRAMORPHS that would evolve to become Intelligent like their Ancestors... but Human Hosts (or Planet 4 Engineers) would not become as Civilized and would need Nurturing to become that more Intelligent Species...

Then if we take such a IDEA and expand that to David and IF he then Engineers those Human Embryos to become a NEW Humanoid Race... WHAT HAPPENS if these Humanoid Creations of David become the PERFECT Host to RESURECT the Ancient Intelligent ULTRAMORPH Xenomorph Species?

That would be Full-Circle and interesting ;)

Thanks for the in-depth explanation Gavin, certainly is a route i think would be a Good Place to go.... i think potentially this could ELEVATE the Xenomorph by giving us a Ultramorph Variant.

Once we have some Ultramorphs, their version of the Hive Mind could control and enable the Xenomorphs to be used as a Work Force to carry out Tasks that they would not have been able to do so, without the Ultramorphs unlocking the Xenomorphs Hidden Intelligence..

so YEAH i think such ideas would WORK!

Hope Disney/Fox are paying attention to your post and some of the replies here.. as i think this could be the WAY to go!

You could EVEN.... go back to the Themes of Prometheus... where a Hubris of the Ultramorph then passing on and influencing the Xenomorphs, which can Multiply Quicker with Human Hosts... could eventually see the Xenomorphs OVERTHROW the Ultramorph/Their Ancestors.

Because lets FACE it... if we was to go back in Time and take 100 Cave Men Babies and Raise them with the best Education we have.. then they could just as easy Match the Accomplishments of Modern Man.

Where left to the Caves they would just Write on Walls with their own Feces!

WHERE ARE THEY?

Strange question. Other directors and writers will give them to us. In Alien Universe nobody cares about continuity.

I can say more - future directors can leave prequels "dead end" and create something else. I think - we need to stop "asking" - because it's useless. It's looks like question about magic egg on Sulaco. It's a mess. It has no solution = all the answers and theories are correct. With LV-426 same situation - we don't know. Nobody knows. I think - there are other sources of Alien eggs. Because, well, you know - for Alien Universe you need aliens.

daliens

I liked David, if you don't know. lol.

I think in  context to the OT and looking at some of the discussion on here certainly regarding as Gavin had mentioned the Possibility of their being more than just ONE place were the Eggs are Sourced.

If we look back Prior to the Prequels, say if we are debating things now like say 10 years ago or more, then indeed when we look at ALIEN in context to prior to the Prequels, then we really cant assume there is ONLY the One Place for those Eggs?.

If we look at the Derelict/Space Jockey connection as some Bio-Weapon then we have to ask (back then) against WHO and what conflict... because if we look at those Eggs as a Engineered Bio-Weapon then the likely hood of that Derelict Ship being the ONLY place they are STORED, or indeed that LV-426 is the ONLY place those Eggs are STORED.. would appear to be Unlikely, so POTENTIALLY we can assume there was MORE Ships with the Cargo, or MORE Places with the Eggs Stored, did they Engineer/Store them in ONE place?.

So IF the Derelict has a Egg Cargo Hold, then those Eggs came from some other place, so there is the Potential that the place those Eggs came from is still there and the Potential that more ships had left with Eggs... WHERE ARE THEY?

IF we instead look at the Eggs as some Natural Organism the Space Jockey Race came across, then we have to ASK was the Derelict the FIRST and ONLY ship to have attempted to Collect those Eggs?  Even if it was then we have to ASK are there more Eggs on the World the Derelict/Space Jockey had Discovered/Obtained them from?

The most Limiting Route would be that LV-426 is a Egg Cave/Silo that the Derelict was the FIRST/ONLY ship to attempt to take those Eggs and well that NEVER went to plan... and then Hadleys Hope Destruction could have Destroyed all those Eggs! (assumes LV-426 only had One Egg Storage/Cache and was the only location of such a Organism).

But in such a Scenario and also the others, there is more than just Coincidence that the Derelict Ship and Egg Cargo/Silo share the same HR Giger Aesthetic.  So it would be unlikely in this case that we have ONLY the ONE Ship and ONE Cargo Hold/Silo.

The Prequels came along to change things a bit, well give some Clarity, and Prometheus shows us the Xenomorph is related to those Experiments and so we then ASK...  was LV-223 the ONLY place the Engineers had Experimented on such things in the Galaxy?, and IF the Xenomorph was a result of this, then the chances of them only Creating ONE Cache of Eggs on the Derelict is SLIM... surely Other Ships had Eggs too and WHERE ARE THEY?

The Biggest Limitation would be the David Creates Route, depending how this Folds Out... if David only (or from his Xenomorphs someone else only) creates enough Eggs for the Derelicts Cargo Hold and we are shown that the Egg Chamber is indeed on board the Derelict and the Derelict is THUS the ONLY ship with those Eggs, then this limits things.

Where then a lot would depend on If the Destruction of Hadleys Hope had eliminated the Derelict/Egg Cache.

Regardless... we also have to take note that Planet 4 has Xenomorph Eggs, and any species who turn up there could USE them or Re-Engineer those Eggs.

So which ever way we look at it, its VERY possible that LV-426 and the Derelict  ARE-NOT the only Source of Xenomorph in the Galaxy.

Gavin if the vessel was so advanced, why did she still need a primitive human as pilot, especially if the pilot was not the father or the mother of the offsprings? We have autonomous vehicles today and our space missions are without pilots. 

It seems more plausible that the Spacey Jockey was like Han Solo and the eggs were no more than military or scientific cargo. Or livestock. Why not think of the xenomorphs like wild animals used for games in a gigantic dead bodies arena?

@ birdman,

An interesting concept if I read it right - that the spore sacs are indigenous to Planet 4 and the origin of the Xenomorph race. Of course, this would then make the Space Jockey an Engineer rather than a something alien, which is why I feel many infer that the spore sacs were either mutated when David bombarded the Engineer city with the black goo or that David mutated them directly with the black goo.

@ BigDave,

Having many caches of eggs only limits the franchise if we continue down the path of the original franchise and overuse the Queen idea James Cameron introduced. But these many caches of eggs need not be restricted in such a way, but instead could show the Alien propagating in new and interesting ways, such as the return of egg morphing, or the eggs incubating parasitic variants other than the Facehugger (like with the aforementioned spore sacs).

To me, the engineers are already depicted as slaves, and more specifically a group of primitive humans taken from Earth that have not advanced much in the interim. I believe the Space Jockey is the instigator of the franchise as either one of the last original Xenomorphs hoping to sire a new, reimagined generation of his race, or something else that has laid the eggs on LV-426 for other means. With the pilot having fallen victim to his own cargo/offspring I believe the beacon was sent by the vessel itself to warn that the pilot had fallen and that a replacement was needed. But with no more available pilots another pilot instead traveled to Earth and offered primitive humans advancement and paradise in return for continuing the dead pilots work, with the resulting Engineer humans returning periodically to Earth to bolster their numbers.

But when the order came to attack Earth it created a conflict of interests with those Engineers that remembered Earth, resulting in the non-accidental outbreak on LV-223 2000 years ago.

Agree. WY should stay on second (or third) line in the film. First place for alien stuff.

That would be the death of fun!

"vs" is just versus. Just for fun. And nothing more. And, of course - Alien vs Godzilla has more fun than WY vs Monarch, lol.

Hey, Leto, don't get too excited, it's about David :)

Yes, potential is endless, especially after they start making the "vs." extensions of the franchise. Like Alien vs. Godzilla for a start. All the way till Alien vs. James Bond.

WARNING, this is a BigDave (sorry bro) style TLDR post...

A hard reboot is the last thing I wish for the franchise. While a remake could be superior to the original in every technical way, the fanbase would prefer the 1979 original, making such an endeavor fruitless.

As I have said before, the ideas I have and continue to propose take everything we know from the movies (IMO the one and only canon) and attempts to tie them all together into one cohesive narrative. I imagine the Alien franchise like a 1000 piece jigsaw, but with no "completed image" on the box, and only half of the pieces. Some pieces fit, some don't, and we have no idea how all the pieces are meant to fit together. But through speculation and deduction maybe we can piece together the jigsaw, possibly in a way that exceeds the originally intended "completed image"?

For example, I previous speculated, as BigDave will remember, the possibility that the egg morphing scene in Alien may have resulted in Dallas siring (after being Facehugged by the Facehugger hatched from the egg Brett was morphing into) a Queen -  as a means of tying Alien and Aliens together cohesively. But with Alien: Covenant we were shown that the Xenomorph is more adaptable than we previously thought - in Alien 3 the Alien was shown to take genetic traits from its host, but its method of reproduction/propagation remained unchanged. Covenants Neomorphs showed that the creatures could, in fact, adapt their reproduction method with the spores and spore sacs deviating away from egg and Facehugger route.

Together with the different appearance of the creature as depicted in Alien and Aliens, the conflicting forms of reproduction shown in Alien and Aliens (egg morphing and Queen), and the different points of ingress taken into the derelict this opens up the logical probability that Russ and Anne Jorden discovered a batch of eggs within the exposed arm of the derelict (the Queen variant) that differs from those discovered by Kane in the egg silo (the egg morphing variant).

Yes, we could just accept that the Jordens did, in fact, discover the egg silo as James Cameron originally intended, but the difference in appearance and reproduction method is a glaring inconsistency between the two movies. Yes, Cameron postulated that his Aliens were merely mature and had as such lost their smooth carapaces, but this was contradicted by Alien: Resurrection. I'm just trying to make the pieces of the Alien jigsaw fit together in a way that maintains the mythology we all wanted, and I believe we still want.

As Chli contends, and I agree, David creating the Alien is a BAD idea. But it also flies in the face of the continuity we have been shown. In Prometheus, we not only see a fresco depicting a Xenomorph and its lifecycle but in its closing scene, we see that one is born, through a somewhat elaborated and contrived version of the very same lifecycle from said fresco (Shaw = egg, Trilobite = Facehugger, Deacon = Chestburster). We were also shown by the Hammerpede's acidic blood and Fifield's original mutation that the black goo mutates whatever it contaminates with Xenomorph traits.

The black goo and LV-223 show as Janek perceived that the Engineers weaponized the Xenomorph. But which came first the eggs or the goo? Either the engineers created the goo and later developed the eggs (making the Space Jockey an unfortunate Engineer) or they discovered the eggs and developed from them the black goo (Space Jockey remains as another race). Space Jockey preferences aside, I believe the answer to this lies with the Engineers. Despite allegedly having space-faring technology 2000 years ago the Engineers are primitive - their language is Indo-European (thousands of years old), they operate their vessels with a wooden flute, and those depicted in Alien: Covenant and their city are not even modern, nevermind advanced. Together with the Engineers DNA results (gathered by Shaw and Ford), which showed us that the Engineers have human DNA, which according to Shaw predates that of modern humans suggests that the Engineers are primitive humans that somehow left Earth (with subsequent visitations possibly being to add to their number), evolved physically, and were granted sanctuary on Planet 4, with a chosen few granted biomechanical augmentation (as seen in Prometheus) to allow them to operate the space-faring technology that their primitive demeanor suggests isn't their own. So if the Juggernauts are not of Engineer origin, and the Space Jockey is, as most of us prefer, not an Engineer then who is loaning the Engineers the technology and why?

The Juggernaut in Alien shares an aesthetic with the Xenomorph, suggesting some kind of relationship between the two. Many of us, myself included, have speculated that the Juggernauts are living vessels (Farscape's Moya, Lexx, and the Vorlon ships from Babylon 5) and that the Juggernauts and their pilots are connected in more ways than just physically (emotionally, mentally, sexually). Those that align with the belief that the egg silo is a cargo bay to the derelict postulate the possibility that the vessel itself may be a surrogate mother to the eggs or the eggs' actual mother. However, the cargo bay depicted in Alien: Covenant and the Juggernaut vessels depicted therein and in Prometheus show no such bulbous cargo bay beneath the Juggernauts. Which brings us to the logical conclusion that the eggs discovered by Kane were in fact within a large subterranean structure or cave, atop of which the derelict Juggernaut docked with. Returning to the preferred choice of a non-Engineer Space Jockey and everything mentioned above we can speculate logically the possibility that the Space Jockey was responsible for planting the eggs within the structure/cave before falling victim to said eggs - the eggs of which were either planted, or possibly "laid" by the aforementioned sexual unison between the pilot and the vessel.

If the eggs were laid by the Juggernaut vessel, then this opens up the possibility that the Space Jockey and the Xenomorph are of the same species. This may seem like a stretch, especially when considering the perception many have of the Alien being a manufactured bio-weapon, but both possibilities can be true. Many have speculated the Engineers may have been sterile and unable to reproduce, but considering the likelihood they are primitive humans, and that we saw thousands, maybe millions of them on Planet 4, including females, this theory is now moot. However, if we juxtapose this theory onto the Xenomorphs it opens up a possible backstory that the Xenomorphs became sterile, likely due to augmenting their DNA with biomechanical technology... Facing extinction they developed a new method of reproduction, one which used their biomechanical technology to create a biomechanical shell - the Xenomorph we all know and love, that would be born from and acquire useful genetic traits from living hosts (being unable to reproduce themselves). This new lifecycle was made possible through a nano viral AI of which David discovered. These biomechanical shells would be devoid of intelligence, emotion, and conscience, making them the perfect biological weapon. But hidden within the nano viral AI lies the knowledge, history, and consciousnesses of the Xenomorphs of old. If the biomechanical shells are allowed to flourish they will in time develop the means of accessing said knowledge, allowing said shells to become the hosts of this knowledge and to transcend into an intelligent race - the new Xenomorphs.

Going back to the Space Jockey and the Juggernaut. If one such vessel was responsible for laying the eggs on LV-426, it is a logical deduction that they will have been other such vessels performing the same task elsewhere, opening up the possibility that there are many caches of eggs throughout the galaxy/universe. This possibility allows future sequels to avoid endlessly returning to LV-426 while at the same time magnifying the sense of dread the end of Alien left us with. For me, the first movie was an analogy for the dark unknown emptiness of space, and with the size of this void vastly overshadowing our own existence together with the possibility that we may just be the only living planet within said void is a daunting and terrifying prospect. Additionally, mankind's biggest fear is of the dark, of that seemingly endless void. Our fear imagines the darkness to be alive, filled with unknown and unspeakable terrors. But what if our fears where realized; that among the endless void of space we are the only ones left and in the shadows, there are monsters, hordes of them, hidden in every shadow waiting for us.

Finally, and again apology's for the TLDR post, despite being primitive the Engineers on Planet 4 unlocked some of the secrets of the eggs and developed a means of weaponizing them as a black goo, which would, in turn, be deployed by urns (another example of Engineer primitivity). Some have speculated that the outbreak on LV-223 was no accident. Could it be, as we were shown in Prometheus that the Juggernauts being sentient ordered the chosen Engineers on LV-223 to unleash the xenomorph weapon on Earth, and remembering that Earth was their homeworld some of the Engineers rebelled against those fearful of the Xenomorph, releasing the black goo on the brethren? It is also possible that said rebellion and the abandonment of weaponizing the black goo came from the Engineers somehow using the destructive nature of the xenomorph to instead create life, as depicted in Prometheus' opening scene. Such heresy could explain Davids decision to bombard the Engineer city on Planet 4 if he had somehow uncovered the nature of the black goo and its intended purpose either through his contact with the substance or his experimentation with it using Holloway and Shaw.

I'm looking forward to.

LOL. Every time someone says that Alien is cooked, I'm laughing. And every time louder and louder. ;)

Alien is Alpha and Omega of this franchise and all movies must have xenomorphs. Like as Godzilla (no one in this world will look a separate film about MUTO's or Monarch) and James Bond. This is a title character.

Each film has its own Alien: Big Chap, Warriors, Queen, Runner, Mutant, Neomorph. Potential - is endless.

But company, androids - it's just optional parts. Engineers are more - but still a part. Potential - depends on Alien.

Cheers!

I can see where Gavin is coming from, and certainly we have to remember Originally the Starbeast was a Ancient Species that Built those Birthing Ritual/Sacrificial Pyramids, where their Species Spore/Egg Stage are kept and Hosts are used to Procreate this Intelligent Species, and indeed Ridley Scott had intended to show the Xenomorph to be more Intelligent than it was in ALIEN.

Then we come to HR Gigers Mural which was to be placed over the Egg Cargo Holds and that he suggested had Pregnant like Bio-Mechanical Bellies that would Create/Lay the Eggs... and he also said the Derelict was GROWN.

While Ambiguous....

We can see this Mural indicated the Derelict Ship has a shared Aesthetic/DNA if you would with the Xenomorph and its indicated the Ship actually Produces those Eggs.

The Humanoid Space Jockey race appear to Self Sacrifice themselves for this Organism (Xenomorph related).  This species also PILOT the ships where the Chair seems to be purposely created for that Race (Space Jockey).

I think the biggest thing to ponder is therefor.... WHO/WHY created the Ships/Technology and if it was not the Space Jockey, then WHY are the ships created to cater for them... what does the Space Jockey gain from this?

Again with the Sequels (ALIENS) and Prequels (Prometheus) we are shown things that seem to imply the Queen/Xenomorph are not a Species that then go around Creating or Growing more Ships.... but we cant rule this out.   Ridley Scott however saw the Eggs as a Bio-Weapon, and this seems to be his stance for many years.

It does appear that Originally had he got to make ALIEN 2 then we would have gone to a ALIEN World, that would have been very HR Giger, and it appeared the Xenomorph would have been revealed to had been Intelligent and have their own WORLD.

I think Gavin is toying with exploring similar....

I think maybe it could work as a Reboot of sorts...  And in the defense of his idea....  if we loaded up a Ship full of Babies with a Adult who could make sure they have everything they need but do-not teach those babies anything.  Then the World or Island you take those Babies too, so they can start a NEW would not be able to BUILD anything if they are NOT taught and would in essence become CAVEMEN..

So yes we can ask WHY cant the Xenomorphs do the same if they had the knowledge passed on by their Ancestors?

I think it would be a bit of a U-Turn to the Prequels though, and also the Xenomorph has been diminished, and maybe this could help ELEVATE them back on track?  But what does this do to the Prequels and our Engineers etc?

Why i feel introducing another Species a Bio-Mechanical One that are above the Engineers could work, where they can be used to then ELEVATE the Xenomorph.

"I don't know about Gavin, but I'm not saying that the xenomorph is a hyperintelligent being, BigDave."

Certainly i did see what you meant ;)  i think its Intelligent certainly, but not as far as Building Ships etc... and i understand you was not suggesting they could do this ;)

The Xenomorph certainly is a adaptive Species, a TRUE Survivor. We could easily see that it could ADAPT and Evolve to its Environment in a Rapid way instead of say how long Natural Evolution and Selection would take.

I think if you look at it from the Engineers POV, and we dont ignore the Plot which RS keeps saying these are Space Gardeners, and if we assume they Genetically Engineer and Create Life...   Then if this is your Agenda/Goal then some Species like the Xenomorph would have a WEALTH of TRAITS that would be ideal for them to attempt to Re-Engineer and Incorporate both in terms of Genetics and Technology and so its feasible that the LV-223 Engineers had used them to Evolve themselves and their Technology.

This is a Plot that some may overlook, the Pursuit of Perfection and Evolution, we see this with David and his Xenomorph is a Amalgamation of Various Organisms best Traits...

For David could have just as easily collected the Neomorph Spores and just used them for his Evil Plans.. But he saw the potential in the Black Goo to be used to further Evolve the Neomorph and Utilize Traits of Various Organisms to make the Perfect Organism.

If we IGNORE that movie... then we could speculate the Engineers could have done the same/similar with some Organism they had encountered....  the Basis for all those Experiments on LV-223.  Could this Organism had been the Xenomorph?  Certainly at the time of Prometheus...  or at very least some Organism that is related that the Xenomorph was Engineered from.

I think theory like Gavins... cant be ruled out, certainly to a degree when we look at HR Gigers Mural... that was intended for ALIEN but things got changed a bit in the Prequels.  Seemed to indicate they (Engineers) encountered something that they used their GOO on to extract and Utilized various Traits to at least create Various Organisms related to the Xenomorph, but potentially also to Engineer themselves and their Technology.

The differences in Aesthetics between the Derelict/Space Jockey and Engineers/Juggernauts does open the door to the Engineers Reverse Engineering the Derelict/Eggs which then brings us back to WHO was the Space Jockey in this case.

Welcome birdman

Indeed the Mural was interesting and vague, merely a Easter Egg maybe? Some use it as 100% Proof of the Xenomorph but in reality it bears little resemblance to the Xenomorph, well it more so looks like a Cross Between the Deacon and Neomorph...    Carlos Huante had some Concepts for the Xenomorph and Ultramorph for Alien Engineers draft, and while there was variations... these ones below seem to indicate what was in the Mural.

Indeed the Neomorph and Xenomorph have similar Stages, in effect the Spore Balls act like Eggs, the Released Spores act like the Face Hugger.

Davids notes indicate that he had taken the Neomorph Spores and they had been tested on Various Life-Forms he had then used the Black Goo to take/mix various traits of Various Organisms and mix them with the Neomorph.

Then this Species was then mixed with Dr Shaws Egg Cells to produce his Xenomorph.

How was this possible?  I think if we look at the GOO in Prometheus then look at the Scarabs in Alien Engineers and look at them being the same thing... then its quite simple.

"The question is: what was first, the black goo or the xenomorph?"

Certainly is a important Question, one that in Prometheus it appeared to indicate the GOO predates the Xenomorph (considering the Xeno was Thousands of Years old at this time) and Alien Covenant even further suggests the GOO predates the Xenomorph.

There was a connection, where prior to AC we would be looking at the GOO either came from the Xenomorph or a Ancient Related Organism, or the GOO came from another unrelated means and is merely a Creation Tool (most likely).

I can agree with your last post daliens ;)

I recommend for those who have not, or have not for a while... to go and read Alien Engineers, and also Paradise Drafts then consider what is the GOO and i feel it explains it all quite simple.   The Weyland File released after Prometheus and Alien Covenant kind of Muddy the Waters a little to much.... prior to those the GOO was very simple really.

"Furthermore, the eggs found by the Jordens must have been of the same kind as the ones Kane found "

Again chli i think Alien Engineers acts as a Rosetta Stone to Decoding Prometheus and the Franchise.

It indicates the Engineers had Engineered 7-8 Variants of the Xenomorph that are stored in Separate Cargo Holds. If we take that on board then we could look at the ALIEN Eggs and ALIENS Eggs are TWO Variants each with a slightly different appearance and method of Procreation.

If we look at that, then we could speculate maybe there was more than TWO Variants on the Derelict and this could open up for the Discovery and Introduction to another Type of Xenomorph.   I assume this idea from Alien Engineers was used as far as the Various Temple Mounds in Prometheus, i think we could speculate that Each had a different Strain of Black Goo.... so potentially the ONE has a base of Deacon DNA, the other (David took his Juggernaught from) had a base of Neomorph DNA.

I think a theory about the Xenomorph being the ones pulling the stings, for me in part is interesting.  But i just dont get the impression that the Organism that we see as displayed in ALIENS shows any signs of Creating Technology like the Derelict.

The Space Jockey is very connected as it seems like the Ship was Tailor Made so that he could PILOT it...  I think when we are looking at WHO is the TOP of the Hierarchy i think the BIG Question is to ponder WHO BY/HOW was that Technology Created and for me the Space Jockey or some Race/Machine we have yet to see would seem to fit the bill more than the Xenomorph... this does-not mean we cant have a Organism that is RELATED to the Xenomorph.

I would even think if we explore that some other Species uses the Xenomorph as Hosts as Interesting.... if these are used to clear a World...  then the Starbeast either uses the Xenomorphs or Egg Morphs for some purpose to Procreate their kind (Starbeasts).

Revealing a Race like this that can Control the Xenomorph and be a Race that has Total Control over them could make the Xenomorph more of a Threat... if not less Unpredictable.

I would say the Ultimate aim of those Human Companies are to CONTROL the Xenomorph too, and Re-Engineer from it to benefit their own Genetics, and Technology... which we could see as what the Engineers could have done in the past.

:D

I don't know about Gavin, but I'm not saying that the xenomorph is a hyperintelligent being, BigDave. I'm simply saying that the xenomorph could be looked upon as a species that has evolved due to specific harsh elements in the environment. They have evolved into what they now are. They might not even exist anywhere else, only on LV-426.

Let's say that the extreme environment on LV-426 got even worse. The food supply disappeared and all the adult xenomorphs died out. But, the eggs survived, waiting, until the engineers stumbled upon them.

The engineers probably learned about the xenomorph the hard way, that's why the xenomorph lifecycle is depicted on the wall on LV-223.

I don’t see the xenomorph as intelligent as you propose, Gavin, and I don’t see them flying about in spacecraft with the purpose of destroying worlds. I see them as a species which has adapted superbly to the harshness of the galactic environment. It’s an extremely viable species - a survivor.

But I buy the idea that the engineers discovered the species and then experimented with it and extracted the black goo (the mutagenic pathogen) from it. This was probably in order to make transportation safer. Instead of carrying lethal xenomorph eggs, they now carry its DNA in protective urns. The outcome is still the same, though: total extinction of unwanted life forms.

Furthermore, the eggs found by the Jordens must have been of the same kind as the ones Kane found - unless there are different kinds of races or perhaps different species within the genus xenomorph. In the novelization, Russ and Anne go down a ramp to a space somewhere beneath the cockpit. The egg-morphing scene was deleted in the theatrical version and then put back in again in the director’s cut, but it might be possible that, in an isolated environment, the xenomorph can change both sex and way of creating offspring.

I pay to watch a Xeno crying David's death, while he declaims, with his long extended mouth, a Shakespeare poem:

"Acid tears washed by the rain!"

Also keep in mind the spores from the local flora on LV-223 in Prometheus infect humans and bang the neomorphs are there. Maybe that's the source for both the engineers and David for their experiments, if that's what went on. Maybe David wanted to mimic the neomorph organism and with the help of the black goo, he was able to create the xenomorph as a new breed which doesn't rely on little flora puffballs for spore dispersal, but rather the EGGS (replaces the puffball flora) and the facehuggers (replaces the spores) are the new thing David wanted.

I believe there is 100% proof in Prometheus that David did not create the original xenomorph organism. The mural on the wall above the "tomb" appears to show some form of xenomorph and the life cycle of it as well... like the engineers knew about it's life cycle well before the arrival of the Prometheus. However, the forms of xenomorph and facehugger on the wall are reminiscent of Giger's original facehugger design, and the xenomorph looks like a blend of neomorph (head shape) and xeno from Alien (hips). Plus, the tomb itself seems to have the rear end of some sort of xeno head sticking out the top of it like it's been crystallized and the rest of it is being held in some sort of stasis inside the tomb. Since I saw this mural, it made me realize that the xenomorph, or at least some form of it, has been around for a long time before the arrival of the Prometheus.

It's in the movie, and not deleted material. It is canon, therefore the xeno form has been around a bit.

So... did David create the more familiar form? Maybe the black goo in the ampules DOES ultimately bring all users/experimenters to a form which is "the perfect organism"...

Cheers!

The question is: what was first, the black goo or the xenomorph?

IMO the black goo was first, it was created by the Engineers but because it was unbelievably chaotic and impossible to control once it got out of the controlled environment, proving catastrophic for the Engineers themselves, they created, with the black goo, the xenomorph. The xenomorph,  with its lifecycle was easier to handle and although it was equally dangerous as the black goo, it was in a way controllable: each xenomorph needed a host and the eggs could be kept in stasis under a layer of blue mist. The eggs could be easily destroyed if needed. So, while it killed all meat, as the black goo, the aftermath effects did not make the planet uninhabitable. 

For the Engineers the xenomorph was like the ultimate remote controlled weapon, and, even if they did not come to really worship it, they honoured it as an esteemed achievement,  a trophy. It was an AI after all, so some intelligence can be credited to the xenomorph.

Of course, we can claim also the other possibility, the black goo was extracted from the xenomorph somehow, this could be explained by the lack of eggs on LV223, since the Engineers were now only concerned to produce more black goo. Whom then that sculptured head from the Prometheus urns room belonged to? The first Engineers who discovered the first xenomorph egg? Where the urns from that room the first ever created, with the highest purity and potential? Will we ever find out?

I see Gavin that you would prefer a hard reboot of the franchise, but I wonder what would be the benefit of having cache of eggs spread around the universe? How do you see future films based on this hypothesis? Like a perpetual remake of Aliens, with Colonial Marines sent over and over to eradicate the xenomorphs? However this hypothesis might be appealing to Disney, at some point I see even an Alien-Star Wars crossover possible.

I do prefer to know that only few xenomorphs are at large somewhere, thus making the struggle to capture, not kill them more thrilling.

One of the things I disliked about Aliens was the large number of xenomorphs, larger than the number of bullets brought on by the Colonial Marines. I feel it was Aliens and the subsequent Aliens comics that diminished the xenomorph, not the fact that he was created by the Engineers or even by David (although I am still convinced that David has nothing to do with the eggs from LV426).

If something is in the works....   Then ALIEN DAY would be the ideal place to Tease or Confirm it.

Looking at that Interview daliens i get the impression this draft is what Huante had read before he even PENNED a single Concept.... so this ALIENS like Draft was not any of the Alien Engineers Drafts.

Some of those concepts are interesting, especially the 36-38ft tall Alien like Creature.  Which its unused design seemed to influence the Concepts that Huante had done for The Arrival, regarding the 33ft ALIEN being.

I like these very ALIEN designs... i would welcome this with a little HR Giger Twist as far as the introduction of a Race who Created the Derelict Technology who either are above the Engineers, or the Engineers STOLE and Re-Engineered their Technology from.

Using something like these as the STARBEAST? 

Yes Please.

"I still contend that the eggs were discovered on LV-426 by the Engineers and experimented on and weaponized on LV-223,"

I think if we throw out Alien Covenant, then its something to be considered...   but the only way that makes sense really would be that the Engineers Discover the Derelict and the Egg Silo, and they Re-Engineer their own Technology and Experiments from all of this.

Which then shows us the Derelict and Space Jockey are NOT connected to the Engineers, but then we still have to then ask WHO is the Space Jockey then?

If the Derelict is created by the Xenomorph, and they enslave the Space Jockey as Pilots... i think its NOT the best way for a Intelligent Species to Seed their own kind, by relying on a Species that CAN be infected by the Xenomorph Ovamorph/Eggs.

I still think introducing another Species that are the Creators of the Derelict/Bio-Mechanical Technology would be something NEW to introduce..  Then these use the Space Jockey as a Slave Race...

Or THEY are the Space Jockey...  I am just not convinced the Xenomorph would be best to be used as some RACE at the Top of this Chain.....

I guess maybe if the Xenomorph has another Stage in their Life-Cycle where they Evolve a little we could accept it.  But then its HOW do we fit the Queen in with this?

Apart from a Experiment or Hybrid/Evolution that takes a different path.

Thanks for the Share and Effort i will look into this

I think indeed it would be interesting to ponder how many Worlds have Xenomorph Eggs Stockpiled upon them.

I dont mean to come across Disrespectful though, just my opinion is that i have concerns if the Franchise Expands by giving us this Xenomorph that Spreads itself across the Galaxy, and in return we just diminish the Engineers and what the Prequels had opened up.

If the Universe is expanded as far as there are Hundreds, Thousands of Worlds/Places that have these Ancient Xenomorph Eggs and we get Egg, Face Hugger, Chest Buster and then Big Guy and Queens... i think it basically just restricts the Franchise to be Centered just around that ONE Xenomorph Organism.  How many times can you have people going to Discover Eggs and get Face Hugged and Repeat?

I have not really came across anything from any Movie that shows to me the Xenomorph are a Race that can Create Technology, and Travel Across Space, Building these Egg Silos to store their own kind.

Thats not to say we cant have this... i think we need to look at the role of the Space Jockey, so is this being just a Slave/Servant to Carry out the Task for the Xenomorphs to Spread them across the Cosmos?

Whats in it for the Space Jockey?   Was they created by the Xenomorphs and its Indoctrinated into them that this is the Purpose they are Created for?  Do they do it out of Worship of the Xenomorph, is their a Fear/Forced Element to it like the African Slave Trade was.

Are they given a kind of Existence by the Xenomorphs, where they are kept Safe and can Prosper on a World, but this Covenant would require Sacrifices... and selected Space Jockey's to Pilot the Ships?

Why would the Xenomorph Task the Space Jockey to Pilot the Ship of their Off-Spring?  Especially with how the Space Jockey can be infected with the Xenomorph and if this happens it can impact the intended Target to where these Eggs are intended to be Shipped?

What with the SOS... what difference would Compromised Cargo matter to a Xenomorph Race... they could just send down a Ship and then Recover the Cargo.

Would it NOT be more Foolproof to Pilot the Ship with Xenomorphs if they are that Intelligent that they created the Ships and Egg Silo's?  Maybe because they know the Risk Involved and so use a Slave Race for such Perilous Missions, but then if such a Race is Intelligent would they NOT want to make sure many Thousands of their Off-Spring arrive at the intended Destination Safe and in One Piece?

If they are a Race who have a Fear about Losing their Lives then on one hand, yes maybe they would not want to Risk a Adult in the Pilot Chair... but having but the Lives of Thousands of your kind in the hands of a Race who can be Infected by Infants of you Race that could end up having the Ship NOT end up where you intended.. seems very flawed to me.

I just get the impression the Xenomorph is a Invasive, Parasitic Organism, that gets spread around the Galaxy by either the Space Jockey Race, or by species who come across them and in Curiosity or Greed attempt to take their Eggs on one of their own Ships...

I just get the impression that the Xenomorph is something that a RACE could use as a Bio-Weapon, for Protection.  Something that could be used to Deter Enemies, or use on Enemies or even to go in and Clear Up Worlds of its Inhabitants so that the World can then be Occupied/Take Over (this especially works well if the Xenomorph has a Limited Life Span).

So i would think that the Space Jockey use the Xenomorph like this... be it that they Engineered/Created it for this Purpose, or Engineered them from something else for this Purpose... or simply Discovered them and used them for this purpose.. in which case they used their DNA/Traits to Create their own Ships and Technology.

OR.... the above Role remains True but its another Species that use the Xenomorph for those purposes and they use the Space Jockey Race (Engineers) to Pilot those Ships in return for something.... or they are worshiped by the Space Jockey Race for what ever reason.

I just think the Space Jockey was NEW and something never covered, compared to the over done Xenomorph, and while the Prequels may  NOT have been the best way to cover the Space Jockey and the Creators/God's Plot may be a bit of a Distraction in context to its links to our Creation and Religion/Mythos etc.

I think to downgrade the Engineers/Space Jockey and to Emphasis the Franchise on Queens and Eggs is going to be a bit limiting compared to the Potential that the Prequels opened up. (Prometheus/Alien Engineers).

Regarding the Prometheus Clues, and Worship of the Xenomorph (Deacon) then i have my theory, which surely does not place them as Gods (Xeno/Deacon)  but something that gave Great Benefit to the Engineers or at least those LV-223 ones.

It would be like lets imagine the Company Obtained the Xenomorph... there is more to it than using it as a Bio-Weapon... you could study its Make-Up and use Traits to Engineer/Evolve Mankind, use Traits to Create New kinds of Constructive Material to use in your Technology/Construction.

If we could HARNESS in Mass a way to replicate Spider Silk, and the Genetic Construction of the Spiders Anatomy as far as its Exoskeleton.... the  Strength compared to Weight of the Spiders Silk, and its Exoskeleton could make for Great Advancements compared to our current Construction/Manufacturing Materials (Plastics, Metals).

This is how i see the Derelict/Space Jockey Technology and Xenomorph (its Ancestor) or they are all Created by some other Species.

Thats just my TWO Cents though... does-not mean any other ideas are not interesting, i just feel it could be FOLLY to center the Queen/Eggs as the be all that ends all of the Franchise, but i think many would actually want it to be about the Xenomorph.

Just when i see the Derelict Scene, and see the Alien Movies, i just dont get the picture the Xenomorph is the ONE who are pulling the strings...  but thats not to disrespect those who do.

It is actually from Giger's art that I imagine what the Xenomorph once restored with their intelligence would look like...

But back to the topic in hand,

I still contend that the eggs were discovered on LV-426 by the Engineers and experimented on and weaponized on LV-223, with the derelict possibly being one of the xenomorph vessels responsible for planting the eggs on there, only to fall victim to his own cargo/offspring. I also contend that the eggs discovered by the Jordens and the Hadley's Hope colonists in the broken arm of the derelict (eusocial variant) were not the same as those discovered by Kane (egg-morphing variant).

As for the fate of the eggs, I prefer to believe they have become radiated and no longer truly viable.

Maybe we could revisit LV-426 one more time to uncover this fate and its consequences with the revelation in said movies closing scenes that there are many more caches of eggs out in the vastness of space; thus instating a sense of overwhelming threat to the franchise and allowing sequels/prequels to move beyond LV-426 and expand/explore the wide mythology.

Maybe this what Neill Blomkamp had in mind. But of course, the main case of contention for those against Blomkamp's proposed movie is the return of Ripley and the possible retcon of Alien 3 hinted at from Hicks and Newts return.

If however Blomkamp could remove said characters from his proposed movie and explore what I mentioned above, then I would be onboard for his movie being the next Alien movie.