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Now here's something that is complete and utter shite. It is to Alien, what The Room is to romantic drama. It is so bad that it crosses the line in the sand between unwatchable and, is it really that bad? It is entertainment for all the wrong reasons. Ridley Scott wanted Alien to surpass B-movie effects, whereas this movie aspires to becoming a B-movie. This really is Alien on an incredibly tight budget with a whip round from those hoping it might never see the light of day. Worth a watch just to know that someone actually made this. Repeat viewings tend to occur after the effects of the initial trauma have worn off

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Good thoughts! Pryramids from Prometheus can be some dead species. In StarBeast Nostromo crew hiding from the sandstorm behind a rock. After storm the rock actually turned out to be a skeleton of giant alien. I think - this another point of Prometheus from StarBeast.

Star Childrens will never rebel against David, if he never says to them: Bring me the tea.

BD:

Yeah they could have improved Shaw, if they would have written her a bit more like she was in The Crossing. To me it was difficult since I was so disappointed with her in Prometheus but yeah it could have worked.

I think that they can make David a more sympathetic character (more like in Prometheus) but I don’t want the movie to be about him even if they write him in a more sympathetic way. I am in it for the human journey but it could work.

Yeah David might be a symbol of blame for some when they are disappointed with other things but not to me. I am disappointed that they chose to focus on David when to me there are other things that are more interesting and also that he is the creator of the Xeno, at least for now. From a theme point of view it works but from a story point of view it is really a disappointment. You could have David like he was in AC and I would forgive that if the humans were well-written but they were not. There was no balance

Well I am more interested in the Xeno and the SJ compared to David, he is not that important compared to them at least that is how I look at it. My preferred way when it comes to what is important to the franchise. Some people are interested in it but I am not.

Honestly I am not interested in another movie about David, I am burned out about that. Sure he can be a part of it but not like he was in Covenant when he was the movie so to speak (OK not really but you understand). Some people are interested in the David part so there has got to be something for them also but he should be given a reduced role.

“I feel we are better of arriving at ORIGAE-6 in some After-math or that David is killed off in the First Act.”

If that is the alternative to have a two-hour movie about David then I take it. It kind of depends how they make the movie in general. The could write him better and still reduce his role compared to AC and Prometheus.

“the Part other Humans Arrive and the £"%£ hits the FAN and then the Engineers Turn up...”

That seems interesting to me. I they make some of the humans work as characters and if they make the Engineers make sense and the Xeno being a result of the Engineers and just be a part of it then I am in. Sure the monsters can look interesting but it has never been about them to me at least.

“But we just Bypassed that 2 hour CROSSING movie if you would... i feel maybe we need to do the same with Davids Kind of World...”

Yeah but if that is what is needed for me to enjoy the movie then sure make it like that. This is not to say that you can’t have philosophical questions in it (Alien had that) but it should be about the humans first and the androids as a part of that. They have got the priority wrong this far but if the Engineers show up at Davids world, David is killed sure. After that you have the humans and the Engineers on David’s world and his monsters that are there to F both groups up and still show us that David is just a middle-man in the creation of the Xeno then yeah it could work.

How about the Juggernaut settles on LV426 and – by the magic of alien technology – creates a silo underneath, for whatever reason? This, folks, would be biomechanical engineering at its finest. I'd love to see how the Juggernauts are created/born and how they sneakily excavate millions of tons of rock to produce subterranean Cathedrals of Death...

In a similar vein, imagine if the Engineers plopped a little turnip-sized pyramid on the ground and it grew into the magnificent structures we see in Prometheus. They are the gardeners of the cosmos, after all.

BD: Yeah maybe a sort of aftermath to what he has created would be better because at least he would not be as dominating in this movie. Eventually we could have like five to ten minutes of him in the movie for those that would like to see him have a bigger role than I would and not be totally reduced.

If the colonists and Oragae-6 could be used in a smart way then yeah why not. Those at the Nostromo discovered a new world so it fits but it has got to be somewhat new to what we have had this far. At the same time I am not afraid that they will not make the surroundings/the planet bad because they have succeeded with that this far but they got to go back and see how the surroundings of the other movies have been and try to make something different or maybe pick from those, I am not sure how that would be.

One thing that I can honestly say in favor if the prequels or a somewhat favor of them is that the ideas are not bad but the execution has been so and so. I am not a huge fan of the idea of Alien five, at least not if they retcon Alien 3 but at the same time I can sort of understand the disappointments that make people support such a project. Sure I am not a huge fan of the prequels although there are things that are interesting but I also think that an Alien 5 would be a bad idea as long as they retcon Alien 3.

Creation, Rebellion and Retribution could be something, I would like to see the Engineers play a role in this in some way. I would like to see something where they have seeded different worlds and how that would play into the story and be if only loosely connected to the SJ if they would risk to mess up the SJ-connection. At the same time I would like something about a nasty company (not necessarily WY) because I like that angle of it. This would have to be something different to WY but still have things in common in how they screw over people.

About David and his creations then yeah maybe but keep him in the background sort of like when he monitored the Xeno on the ship, something like that would be fine by me or how they used Jigsaw in the first Saw-movie. You did not see as lot of him but he was very important to the story although he can be in it like some (like maybe 10) minutes or so based on 2 hours. You mention his Xenomorphs (David’s), sure but make sure to have it as recreations and not that he is the originator because that is lame.
The Engineers should have a role, at least bigger than David so I would like them to be featured in it also. I really like the idea of the Engineers and I feel that they should have bigger screen-time than David and what he has done. Maybe they get to the planet to get rid of David but they get attacked by monsters and they are still mad at humanity so you get humans trapped between Xenos and Engineers that are highly pissed off but you defiantly got to get it better than how they handled the AVP’s. This could be better if they tried to make interesting human characters and also try to get the Engineers right so they would be a threat to the Xenos too. Making a movie like this would not be impossible but they got to struggle to get it right, I would like to see it. You get two old things (the Xenos and struggling humans ) plus something new or at least that we have not seen much of (the Engineers), it could work.

I will now respond to some of your response to Biodegradable.

Yes, I am not totally against having David involved but it is too much about him. Compare this to weak humans characters and too much screen-time to David that is by now totally evil and you get a movie which to me at least is not interesting. Who-ever decided to make David into what he was in Covenant made a bad decision because he was too evil compared to Prometheus where he was better done the way that I look at it. At the same time I am not 100% against the idea to let the androids get more screen-time compared to 1-3 but it is also about their role compared to the rest. Remember that Ash and Bishop had their time but they were better written and the humans were better written too.

“ we also see that most of the things Fans could have looked forwards to had been KILLED off by the Actions of this Psychotic Synthetic.”

Yes, why did they get rid of the Engineers (those that made the movie or those that decided about that)? They were interesting in themselves but they got totally killed just some minutes into the movie. This could be because of some miscalculation of the studio, someone made that decision anyways.

As far as Alien movies are concerned if we by Alien mean the Xeno then sure make something else, I am not against that I even accepted most of the new monsters in Prometheus except for Zombie Fifield but that was not because of the actor I just think that the idea was dumb and the way that the scene was in the movie. I would like P to be more Xeno-ish but that was far from the biggest problem that I have with that movie.

Digging deeper into the SJ world and the company could be interesting if it is getting made well but make sure to make it known that t is in the Alien-world without being a Xeno-movie. There are more things in the Alien-world than Xenos and Ripley, something that I know that you have mentioned and that I agree with. Something that I don’t want is Ripley or Ripley-ties (aunts, uncle, kids, what ever). A franchise like this should not be about a person, it is called Alien not Ripley. I think that we can agree that Ripley has had her time and I am also not that interested to see another queen but having something stranger (look at what Giger did, maybe there could be some inspiration there?).

Biodegradable:

Obsessive? I am not very happy that they put such a focus on David at the cost of the rest. One of the problems is that there are not many to support but if they would have had some characters to root for then I would write in favor of them (for example “I like this character because of X Y Z”) but there were almost none. David was tolerable in Covenant in the way that think that it was interesting to see the differences between Walter and David but David was too much of an asshole there for me to like him or sympathize with him but he was somewhat interesting. Sure I do not like what the prequels have turned into but it is not like I think about it all the day (about your comment about being obsessive).

I am a fan of the franchise and therefore I do not want more half good and half crap kind of movies - I want them to be good. When someone writes something that I disagree with I tend to answer because that is how I am as a person. It might get repetitive since I do not always remember what I have written in every post that I write so there it is. This is important to keep in mind: I attack the opinion, not the person.

“Yet here you are, kicking BigDave into fetal position over and over."

I say no to ideas that I don’t like but if there are those that I agree with I would say sure. Even though I disagree with things in general there might be parts of what someone say that I agree with. This is not a personal attack on anyone and if it comes across like this then it was never my intention. By the way, I also make sure to say when there are things that I agree with just to not came off as an asshole or extremely negative.

“And it is not like there are many of those to choose from and dismiss this, that or the other.”

I think that we need to see if there are other ideas that we can take into consideration (is that the way to put it?). If something doesn’t work then we have to look for something else, that is my opinion. Some of BD’s opinions are alright while there are other things that I disagree with but that also goes for friends, co-workers, etcetera.

“Have you put out any possible scenario for future follow-up of your own in any considerable details?"

I want more about the black goo, and the Engineers. I can not put this into detail or develop it like maybe some other persons here but I can think about things in general that I want to see and the same goes for things that I say not to.

The last one is alright but the first looks too big and fat. When we look at the Xenos they have always been slender so they move without problems and without making sounds. When I look at the gorilla Xeno I really can’t see how it could move without making noises so you could hear it (in my head I hear something like “ka-boom, ka-boom” when I imagine it moving). It is interesting to see different kinds of Xenos but that doesn’t mean that all of them work.

I hope that more people reply to this because it is interesting to see what kind of things that people like or dislike about this franchise.

I also agree with Lone on this one, no Blomkamp Alien 5 especially if they make it like Alien 3 never happened. No more Ripley, and queens, thank you very much.

Some people want Amanda, but I think that we need to move away from the Ripley-ties, she was great in Alien 1-3 but we need to make good characters that are not tied to her, I think that can be done.

I like the idea that David did his own version but that he is not the original creator.

As far as the Quiet Eye is concerned I really like how Shaw is portrayed there, she is more likable. I wish that they could have included his comments about LV-426.

“The beacon, or warning signal, from the Derelict on LV-426 is already there long before the Prometheus expedition!”

If that is the case I wish that they should have made that clear in Prometheus *sigh*.

The Xeno mural was interesting, it is just too bad that they did not give it the time that was needed.

Yup you should not have to look at extra material to understand what they are trying to say. If that is needed then they have failed with the movie. Ambiguity can be good but I am not sure how many feel like going through a lot of extra material, they should explain that well enough in the movie but that doesn't mean that it should be obvious. Not interested in another Scott movie if they do not drastically change from the way that it is now.

David as the SJ is ridiculous to me, just the difference in size is an issue. Maybe the Engineers are not perfect as it but it is better to have one of them as that than David.

It is good that they kept a lot of it in the dark. I can understand sort of how you would feel when there are nasty things around you that you do not see. We just saw the monster once I think? Having it like this made my imagination going because it could mean that they could be anywhere which makes it a lot scarier.

"I see the prequels and the other movies as part of the same Alien Universe but representing 2 separate timelines although still affecting each other"

This was the intention but in Hindsight, not having enough Clues to the Origins and not having enough Xemomorph like Action, had in part led to them making Prometheus Sequel something to connect to ALIEN.. so it appears we are on Direct Prequel Territory here... where before David set foot on Planet 4 there was NO Traditional Xenomorph.

"The reason is that we already have the whole xenomorph lifecycle depicted on a wall in the facility on LV-223, as well as long since dead engineers with holes in their chests."

I think it depends what you use to form a basis for ideas, if we look at the Reason for those Engineer Corpses, they seem to had been produced for the Earlier Alien Engineers Plot.  Which in a Nutshell seems to imply the Engineers came into contact with some Organism they did-not create, and they Engineered various forms of Xenomorph from this using their Scarab/Goo Technology, thus the Xenomorph was a Engineered Bio-Weapon.

The Mural in Prometheus apparently was just a Easter Egg and Nod towards HR Giger, but others in Production had stated the Mural Depicts the Deacon!  To me the Mural shows us the Xeno/Deacon looking Organism is the Achieved Result of Various Experiments that eventually lead to this Organism, which the Engineers then Proceeded to then Sacrifice to obtain this Perfected DNA so they can then EVOLVE life to use its DNA instead of their own Engineer DNA.

This fits more in line with Alien Engineers too...  also if we look at the Sacrificial Bowl that was there instead of the Green Crystal, and then look how the Scarabs worked in Alien Engineers and apply this to the Goo, then again it adds up to the Deacon being Sacrificed to make the Goo Variant in those Urns...

At its basis it was simple....  the ANSWER was there all along with Spaights Scarabs.   Some Interpret the Mural as Worship as in like how some Worship Jesus Christ, some even speculate that Deacon was Space Jesus... hey its a kind of Resurrection after all lol

But if we look at WHY do Christian Faiths worship Jesus on the Cross, this is because it represents the Eternal Life that is Granted to those who Worship and Follow Christ due to the SACRIFICE he made to Save us...

Again if we look at the Earlier Prometheus Drafts, then the Sacrificing Engineer takes a Cruciform Pose just as he is consumed.... so again Cruciform Pose = Sacrifice.

So by Virtue of the ALTAR having the Sacrificial Bowl, in front of the Cruciform Mural... i think it shows us the Deacon/Xeno was Sacrificed (with Sacrificial Goo) to create the stuff in the Urns.

BUT why replace the Cup then?

SCALE %£^$ up... our Engineers were intended to be 12-15ft tall.

Regarding the HOLES... it seems the Props had began work, while Prometheus was being finished as far as Shooting Script.

They was intended to show both Chest Busters and Wounds by Xenomorph related Organisms from Alien Engineers.

The Prometheus Plot was instead a Black Goo Pathogen, which we saw was like a Ebola Outbreak, or so Dr Shaw assumed, we saw the Effects of Ingestion as being a Engineer becomes consumed/breaks down (this was Sacrificial Goo though)... we can wonder what would have became of Holloway if he was NOT Torched!

What we do see is the Engineer who has his head cut off by the Door, his SUIT is HOLLOW... the Helmet of the Suit however contains a Engineer Head, in a good state of Presevration that once its Re-activated it Mutates (Cells) and Explodes.

IF the Black Goo Pathogen infected Engineers, who then go through a Violent Reaction where they would in effect EXPLODE and if you imagine the Sacrificial Engineers Reaction being contained within a Space Suit... then we could assume it would EXPLODE from the Pressure just as a Bottle of Cola would if you put a Mint/Mento inside... the Violent Chemical Reaction would look for the Weakest Point to EXPLODE from the Bottle.

Its my assumption this explains a majority of those Holes in the Engineers Suits...   They was running to that ROOM because inside, somehow the effects of the Black Goo are HALTED...

Which is WHY the Urns remained fine, until the Humans Contaminated the Room.

Hey Decs, I was going to add The Mist, but forgot!

It was genuinely scary, the ending was very sad & disturbing!

chli this should be the proper ending, unless somebody wants David living happily everafter.

He simply cannot be the Space Jockey.

I think there are some Interesting ideas... a thing to remember is there have been a lot of changes regarding the Role/Origins of the Eggs from Inception (Starbeast) to where we are now (Alien Covenant).

I think many fans had different ideas about what the Origins should be and not everyone is pleased by the Prequels, sometimes maybe its wishful thinking to alter the route that seems implied.. and i think most would agree the David Creates the Xenomorph route is not the way to go!

The Ambiguity of the Movies, with regards to Clues/Easter Eggs that are unexplained... the flaws in Aesthetic and Scale of the Ships and Space Jockey/Engineers do leave it open to speculate differences.

So indeed the HUGE oversight that is the Egg Silo, is something that some fans just cant accept as part of the ship regardless of what is told..  because what is shown DEFIES what we are expected to believe.

As Gavin pointed out with the Bombardment Scene, when looking at the Juggernaught in Alien Covenant and the Schematics in Prometheus, its easy to see that the Cargo Holds  on these ships are like 3X less Tall, and Vastly Smaller in terms of Width/Depth when we look at the Egg Chamber in ALIEN... so these Egg Silos CANT fit on the underside of the Juggernaught, and when working the Size of the Juggernaught to a Human and then Derelict then the Juggernauts are LARGER than the Derelict.

This arises because indeed the Silo was supposed to be separate to the Ship.... so what we have to do is try and think about what was Ridley Scott and the Alien Production thinking about when Producing those sets... and WHAT would happen if Ridley Scott got more of a Budget and Time to showcase the Ship Separate..

What would have been the Space Jockey Fate?, and were would the Derelict had been in relation to where the Egg Silo was located?

So indeed the Separate Egg Storage Facility is open to debate, and maybe something that could be introduced... the Problem with David being the Creator is HOW would such a Egg Silo be introduced?   If we go for a Separate Facility?

There is just by Chance a Storage Facility on LV-426 that David then thinks "that would be perfect to store my Eggs on" and then its HOW the Space Jockey Ended up on top of this Egg Silo with the Derelict!

If we ASSUME and Accept that the Egg Silo is separate and underground, then on ONE Hand it makes it more Plausible that the Egg Chamber could be there after the Destruction of Hadley's Hope. While on the OTHER Hand it opens it up to speculate HOW Large such a Underground Facility is, and how many Entrances, or HOW MANY of these Underground Facilities are there?

The other things accepting a Separate Egg Silo would open up is...  

1) This Storage Facility is where Engineers take there Finalized Results/Eggs from their Experiments for Storage, away from LV-223.

2) The Engineers used these Eggs from LV-426 to then set up a place to Experiment on them on LV-223

My interpretation is different and more in line with what i feel the Prequels intended and had shown..

But everyone can have a different interpretation to the Mural and Fresco from Prometheus.  They are all connected and so its open due to the Ambiguity as in what ORDER is everything placed.

I think a thing to consider with the Prequels which includes the Unused Drafts, is they appear to be running with the Egg Cargo Holds on the Ships Plot... despite the Drastic Size Difference...  Which we are supposed to accept as a Oversight, such as the Space Jockey being nearly Twice the Size of our Engineers.

daliens

Exactly! I hope the ending of an AC2-movie would be with a dying and repenting David who finally sees his errors and his folly. The timeline with David (and his xeno-variant) comes to an end.

In a flashback scene (about 2000 years prior) we see an engineer in a pilot chair, despite chest pain, setting a warning beacon. The camera then zooming in on a hole in the ground, down through a tunnel and into a cave filled with thousands of eggs.

The timeline of LV-426 can then continue - Nostromo, Hadley's Hope etc . . .

dk! I know it’s kinda blasphemous to say that, especially in an “Alien” forum, but yeah, for some weird reason I have never watched it in its entirety. Wanna know some more blasphemous things I’ve done? For some reason I have yet to see other Carpenter classics but somehow I’ve seen their sequels, prequels or reboots… I haven’t seen “The Thing” 1982 but I saw “The Thing” 2011 (I have a soft spot for Mary Elizabeth Winstead), I haven’t seen “Halloween” 1978 (again, blasphemy, I know… I’ve seen chunks of it, but not the whole film) but I saw “Halloween H20” (it was EVERYWHERE in the nineties), I haven’t seen “Escape From New York” but I saw “Escape From L.A.”… Please don’t kick me out of this forum!   D:

The case with “The Thing” 1982 is really weird because when I was a kid they used to broadcast “Alien” and “Aliens” all the time on the tv channels I used to watch here in my country and those are movies from the same time period as “The Thing” but I don’t remember them airing “The Thing” that much for some reason or I surely would have seen it and enjoyed it… Later on when I was an adult sometimes I would catch it when I was channel surfing, and by then I already knew of its classic status and I always said to myself “Nah I have to watch this movie from the beginning and pay close attention to it, it deserves it” so I kept postponing my viewing of it and well… That was that lol. Now that I relate this shameful story I’m gonna make a promise to myself to finally watch it this year!

Lone, you know, it’s funny that you mentioned “The Last Days on Mars” because I saw that movie and I thought about putting it on the list because of its obvious “Alien” vibes but I decided against it because I didn’t really liked it… It wasn’t a terrible movie but I thought based on the trailer that it was gonna be way better and more interesting. There are other movies besides that one that I thought off that have very obvious “Alien” vibes that I didn’t mention because I don’t think they’re particularly good either, movies like “The Relic”, “Red Planet” and “Apollo 18” among others.

Daliens, cool! Is a really short story though, if you read it tell me what you think!

Oh and another one for my list, this one isn’t set in space but it definitely has “Alien” vibes and I think it’s a great movie:

dk all the money will go to the North Bergen Theater and Arts Foundation.

In case there will be a film crew will be pro bono I think. I hope Ridley Scott will send a film crew, but what is Fox doing here, apart from advertising the event as we do? I did not see any engaging statement from their side other than how happy they are for the encore.

Let's still hope for more involvement and a film crew, so Fox, if you are reading this, you have the duty to record the event for the history. Or you have the right to remain silent.

daliens I didn't think they would be able to pull it together to perform the play on Alien Day- that is fantastic. Pricey tickets must mean some good Scott Free support (and hopefully a film crew).

This poster might be the last one, so don't forget to say thanks to Mr. Dane Hallett for his generosity.

Although there is another article dedicated to it, it worth a mention on this page too, Dane Hallett's homage to the 40th Alien Anniversary, which consists in links to a limited collection of free, high resolution, alternate Alien posters.

The last one has just been posted amd link will only be available for a short while.

Here it is:

Another gorgeous poster from Dane Hallett is available for download now (300.2 mb).

Here. Hurry up!

A great list, indeed.

I am glad I still have something to watch of this list, when I check for a movie nowadays I mostly find superheroes crap and I'm past that age.

Decs I will surely check your fan fiction, especially if it's related to Alien Covenant,  a film I thoroughly enjoy.

Lone noticed that too, here.

Also happening on Alien Day, thanks to Sir Ridley Scott and North Bergen High School:

Alien The Play

Tickets on sale 4/16 at 10 AM EST!

General admission tickets will go on sale through Eventbrite  on 4/16 at 10 AM EST.  Tickets will be very limited.  You will only be able to purchase 2 tickets per user.  The Township of  North Bergen will also provide tickets to North Bergen residents through the Recreation Center sometime this week.  I will update when those tickets are on sale.  All proceeds from ticket sales will be used to fund future plays, art projects, and scholarships for our talented students.  We are currently filing for 501 (c) (3) status and will update when available.

www.nbtheaterartsfoundation.org

$50

Date And Time

Fri, April 26, 2019, 8:00 PM EDT

Location

North Bergen High School

7417 John F. Kennedy Boulevard

North Bergen, NJ 07047

Description

Alien the Play is a one night only encore production put on by the North Bergen High School Drama Club

Date: April 26, 2019

Time: 8.pm. EST

Address: 7417 Kennedy Blvd., North Bergen, NJ,07047

Please make it available online!

Finally!

Alien The Play

Tickets on sale 4/16 at 10 AM EST!

General admission tickets will go on sale through Eventbrite  on 4/16 at 10 AM EST.  Tickets will be very limited.  You will only be able to purchase 2 tickets per user.  The Township of  North Bergen will also provide tickets to North Bergen residents through the Recreation Center sometime this week.  I will update when those tickets are on sale.  All proceeds from ticket sales will be used to fund future plays, art projects, and scholarships for our talented students.  We are currently filing for 501 (c) (3) status and will update when available.

www.nbtheaterartsfoundation.org

$50

Date And Time

Fri, April 26, 2019, 8:00 PM EDT

Location

North Bergen High School

7417 John F. Kennedy Boulevard

North Bergen, NJ 07047

Description

Alien the Play is a one night only encore production put on by the North Bergen High School Drama Club

Date: April 26, 2019

Time: 8.pm. EST

Address: 7417 Kennedy Blvd., North Bergen, NJ,07047

Leto

Or the alpha and omega is the black goo, not the xenomorph.

By the black goo the Enginners improved themselves and obtained the xenomorphs. 

But while they learned how to safely handle the black goo, they were not capable to tame the xenomorphs. That's why their admiration and fear (the ingredients leading to idolatry) for the xenomorph. 

So nothing from the studios, yet.

This can't be!

It's the fricking 40th Alien Anniversary and everybody is excited about it.

Disney/Fox, this is the rightest moment to prove your greatness!

Believe you me!

"I see the prequels and the other movies as part of the same Alien Universe but representing 2 separate timelines although still affecting each other"

chli I started to have the same feeling and, as I mentioned in a reply above, I now believe the events from Alien (the Company re-routes Nostromo, a cargo vessel being the closest and faster mean to get a hold of the eggs) happening at the same time with the David adventures on Origae 6.

The Conpany found out about the xenomorph from David's transmissions (Advent) and they made the connection between the signal emanating from LV426 and the possibility to find their source of xenomorphs there.

Ridley Scott also stated in an interview that the derelict is connected with the outbreak from LV223 and subsequently thousands of years old.

The fact that David obtains his own xenomorph can be related to what he found out during his travel to planet 4 and that the black goo effect on living organisms would ultimately lead to a xenomorph variant.

As Ridley Scott said to Carlos Huante, he wanted to use the same universe as a canvas for a new story and as I understand from the development of the story so far, only Prometheus can be a prequel to Alien since it elucidates the mistery of the Space Jockey and, although not shown in the film but pointed but Ridley Scott, the origin of the derelict - left LV223 during the outbreak.

The events from Covenant can be seen as a paralel story.

Another theory we can raise is that LV426 is a dumping ground or a storage facility for the eggs after they were produced on LV223. Apparently the Enginners learned how to safely handle the black goo, but they were still vulnerable to the final product, the eggs and the xenomorphs so we can consider they would deposit the eggs on another planetoid, not far from LV223.

Regarding David's decision to go to planet 4 after he put Shaw into cryosleep, it could be explained by his delusion that he could develop an affectionate relationship with Shaw and his wish start anew as Adam and Eve on a inhabitable planet that would allow Shaw to live as in Paradise. This was his only concern, he willingly ignored the signal from LV426.

Gavin Ridley Scott and the sequels to Alien always mentioned the xenomorph as a bioweapon, so I do not think they see it otherwise, no matter how attractive to us and fruitful that route would be.

The Last Days on Mars (2013)

What's not to love about a Mars set Sci-fi-horror hybrid! Right?

Thanks I Raptus! 

Leviathan is definitely worth your time. Many of us can still appreciate & even enjoy 80's effects & considering it's budget I really think it fares pretty well.

I like everyone's picks, makes for a great list!

I know what daliens means about MOON. It's no stretch to imagine it taking place in & around the Alienverse. There are lots of elements that many of these movies have in common, a nefarious company or corporation, believable, used-future sets, pretty amazing special effects, including great practical models & monsters. Characters who are generally likeable, well defined & whom we care about. A certain amount of tension relieving humour. A suspense filled story which builds momentum & holds your interest. In general they are Sci-fi horror hybrids.

Plus, connecting these movies is the kind of nerdy thing we love to do around here :) 

Decs I loved Europa Report, it's a well made little movie. You have to see The Thing & Invasion of The Body Snatchers (1978) Both are absolutely brilliant in terms of story, characters & effects!

ninXeno426 & dk I had a fun time re-reading the Off The Beaten Track Sci-fi movies & Alien Franchise Rule Book: For Members by Members topics! ;) 

That's an interesting thought, Leto! They extract the black goo from the xenomorph (the perfect being) in order to improve themselves: stronger, healthier, longevity etc - the elixir of life! They had already been up that avenue when Peter Weyland shows up . . .

chli

I think, Engineers use "the perfect organism" for their own improvement. Look - The Last Engineer looks almost like the xenomorph.

Well, if we decide that only the movies should be considered as canon, we still have problems with David being the creator of the xenomorph. The reason is that we already have the whole xenomorph lifecycle depicted on a wall in the facility on LV-223, as well as long since dead engineers with holes in their chests.

"One issue with adding something new is that thanks to the prequels the Alien universe is starting to become very crowded"

I can understand that... for me the Franchise was given more scope by that, but for others i can see its a Distraction.   I think as you mentioned the SPACE JOCKEY as being a 4th Race and so NO need to introduce any others...   I think that we could use the Space Jockey as another Race, i think that could work...

But i am not sure about say having it as any kind of Skeletal being... maybe as some Bio-Mechanical Organism so the Space Jockey is NO more Skeleton than say a XENOMORPH is...

I am not sure about IF the Space Jockey was a Original Xenomorph that became infected, if we consider themselves as Xenomorphs i dont like/buy into say a Xenomorph being able to be infected by its own EGGS!

I would prefer that such a Bio-Mechanical Being/Race try to Evolve themselves with the Black Goo and in Hubris Create something like the Xenomorph from this (Evolve to become similar).

I had made a few comments on Topics about the Space Jockey as far as the Size and Proportions compared to the Engineers.

There is a Slight Aesthetic Difference and Color to our Space Jockey compared to the Engineer Suits though, and the Juggernauts likewise there is a Slight Difference Aesthetically.

So its open to explore the SPACE JOCKEY as a Ancient Race that the Engineers are connected with somehow, and WHO the Engineers had Rebelled against.... or certainly had STOLEN the Technology from.

We could explore the Space Jockey to be LESS-HUMAN by having it as a Space Suit where the Occupant is NOT so Human looking?  We could even go the route that the Space Jockey is actually Bio-Mechanical just as the Xenomorph is.   A Robot that connects to their Machines, but a Robot Race that are a Bio-Mechanical Construct.  and by that i mean a Species that are Part Organic and Mechanical that infuse with their Technology.

The Xenomorph connection is TRICKY.... if we go to use the Starbeast Concept and Idea, then the how does the Xenomorph then FIT with this Concept... especially if we go any route to say they and the Space Jockey are the same?

Maybe there is a 4th Stage to the Xenomorph... where they Evolve to something that is then LESS-XENOMORPH and more Space Jockey?

I am just not sure how this works as far as them being infected with a earlier stage of their Life-Cycle!

But on the subject of a 4th Stage to the Xenomorph.. maybe we can reveal such a Stage where they EVOLVE into something different slightly and that this FINAL STAGE is Intelligent, can Create Technology and had came across or created the Engineers to be used for HOSTS..  in which the Engineers are granted some Benefit from doing so.

"We all have our theories and ideas as to what we want to see and how we interpret what we have seen. That is the fun of being a fan - speculation drives the imagination"

That is certainly TRUE... and over the years there have been some varied Theories on here, that i am sure places like this and others could be some inspiration to those working on the Franchise... as i do Question the Inspiration and Imagination of some of the Writers....

Because ONE thing is for certain.. with each prequel we are getting FURTHER away from what was very ALIEN about the Derelict Scene and Pilot and Eggs in ALIEN. We are heading for something LESS ALIEN than say Starbeast and more closer to Hill and Giler's  Plot "The Company Created the Xenomorph".

As daliens brought up in there TOPIC HERE

Gavin

As long as David isn’t the creator of the xenomorph, I’m open to suggestions. :) I definitely don’t mind seeing the xenomorph as an ancient species but if they already had “the perfect organism”, what then were they trying to achieve on LV-223? In order to wipe out Earth, one egg would probably suffice . . .

@DK

I think you raise a Valid Point, for some they may think that having to look into extra content for extra clues/answers is a good thing, but for many people they maybe dont have the time or see the reason why they have to pay attention or be aware of stuff that is ACTUALLY not shown Theatrically to help with any ambiguity that Theatrically is there...  Prometheus is a movie thats easier to Understand for those who put such extra work in to it, but for most people its WHAT you SEE is WHAT you GET and so most people will Struggle with some of what Prometheus was trying to show.... Too Much ambiguity can be a bad thing.  But on the other hand... ambiguity and flaws do allow for a whole manner of debates.

Regarding the Canon Debate.... 

Its open to each person, i personally take the Theatrical as Major Canon, and we can be open to explore any idea the extra content, unused scenes, novels could explore but i think as SOON as a Movie does something to Contradict such content then maybe we have to Accept such content as NOT Canon.

So its looking likely that the Derelict is NOT on LV-426 by the Year 2105, or certainly NO Eggs are on it... But again as the Prequels are NOT concluded and until we are shown the Derelict being loaded with EGGS or even Crashing etc.. then it leaves some things open for debate and more so CHANGE.

The Extra Material about the Signal was a Flaw in my opinion, if we accepted this as Canon, then you would gather David would have studied the Signal somewhat... but still we would have to BARE in mind that Weylands ONLY major Agenda was to Live for Longer/Ever and so unless LV-426 had anything that would GRANT him this, then the Prometheus would investigate LV-223 as Priority.

Once they LAND... things do soon go to POT!

The aftermath we have to be aware that David is just a Head and Separate Body and so he cant do much UNTIL he has Dr Shaw put him together, SHE wanted to go to where the Engineers came from...  

This left it open for WHEN he was put back together and placed Dr Shaw into Cryo-Sleep then David could GO to any place of his Choosing.... this could leave it open to change things such as... "oh that was not the Home-World of the Engineers" or that "David first went to LV-426 to collect some Eggs"

I think the Crossing was there to show that Dr Shaw had convinced and worked with David to get OFF that Rock that was LV-223 and then the Juggernaught was wondering Aimlessly in Space...

Where David would be playing Cat and Mouse with Dr Shaw, he had got them off LV-223 but he is then using the FACT or at least hinting that UNLESS he is back in one piece, he CANT or WONT take Dr Shaw to where she wants to GO.  And this explains the Hair Growth as they would have been playing this Game for Many Months until SHE finally puts him back together, then they head to Planet 4.

This could explain that the Ship had drifted so far from LV-426 that David chose to continue to Planet 4 instead, but he could be aware that he does-not need anything from LV-426 or LV-223, or he could have gone back to either after Dr Shaw had been placed in Cryo-sleep.. it really is open to debate.

However by Virtue of the Alien Covenant Plot... it is likely that the Knowledge of the Signal from LV-426 is considered to NOT EXIST (certainly not as far as prior to 2105) and thus be None-Canon... which is easy to do as it was not indicated in Prometheus or on the Weyland Viral Website.