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Just saw it on HBO- seems a bit different somehow. Considering conversations about David the forum has had, I was pumped that AC was immediately followed by Silence of the Lambs!

Welcome, see.

You like what you like and that is completely fine. It is interesting however to note how tastes can change over the years as IRaptus noted. For instance, I really like AC on the BR but saw it last night on HBO and was completely meh. 

I agree about the Bowie reference especially with The Man who fell to Earth. 

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The Flashback scene

Another interesting thing is that they have moved David’s flashback scene (when he exterminates the engineers with the pathogen). In the early script, it was in the beginning as they reach Planet 4 (not a flashback). In the later one when David and the rest reach the engineer city and they see all the dead bodies, and in the movie, it is moved to when Walter and David are on the balcony overlooking the dead city.

Xenovirus

It’s interesting that in the early draft the black goo is called “xenovirus” hinting at in the early stages of the Covenant project the idea wasn’t that David created the xenomorph? The name “xenovirus” hints at the black goo either is derived from a xenomorph (xeno-dna) or the black goo leads to a xenomorph (when humans or engineers are exposed to it)? In either case, the xenomoph would be known to the engineers and thus David not being the creator?

In this early script, David also kills Shaw as they arrive at Planet 4 which also gives the impression that David wasn’t thought of as the creator of the xenomorph from the beginning? He would need Shaw alive to be able to experiment with her and create the eggs?

The idea that David created the xenomorph, therefore, came later on in the Covenant project?

I check out the site from time to time to see how much of the early work on the Prometheus follow up has surfaced. 

This draft is very interesting because it shows the screen writer pitching expositional narrative whose prime objective is to maintain the momentum of Prometheus.

However it has a very substantial in built difficulty. After ten minutes David has hoodwinked his maker, destroyed the Engineers and bait and switched Shaw.

We then watch a movie where the hapless Covenant arrives. In other words the ambiguity of the final film has more dramatic tension than the spelt out exposition. We would simply be waiting for David to knock them off.

The real point though is this demonstrates the difficulty with making Michael the centre of the movie, rather than carry on the search for our creators with Shaw and David as, the can we trust him facilitator, which would have an added dimension if he genuinely responded to Elizabeths healing of his body. There was a good deal of potential creative tension in that with the discovery of the Engineers mythology as the back drop to their journey. I also like the idea that the original infection of Shaw or should I say Holloway had down stream consequences for Shaw and if David became capable of intimacy with Shaw-David.

I have said it before but a faith based Shaw coming up against a mechanical view of creation whilst David the synthetic develops very complex feelings for Shaw could have had the enigmatic quality of BR2049. What is existence what is cognitive self starting life.... oh and who are our creators and what does LV223 represent small things like explaining Prometheus and what we are seeing rather than junking it. 

Wait. I think I found the perfect video for this thread: *tickle, tickle*

This depicts David as Totally Twisted and Ruthless... 

He was too stereotypically evil in this draft, in my opinion. As I said in my original post, him developing a dark love for Shaw gave him more character for me then him thinking, 'heheheheh, I'll just wait for the right moment and then...Pow!' 

It is interesting how your perception and likes/dislikes change over time. I joined this site close to 2 years ago and from just chatting and discussing with you all, (people with similar enjoyment for the franchise but away from your usual direct sphere of influences) have evolved different views from the various films. Some of this can be attributed to just natural variation of taste, but most comes from the healthy and insightful discussions and threads on here :)

Before & after

Alien 8/10 (now up around 9)

Aliens 8/10 (down to about 6)

Alien3 9.5/10 (unchanged)

Alien Resurrection 6/10 (unchanged)

Prometheus 7/10 (now up to about 8.5)

Alien Covenant 5/10 (unchanged) 

AVP & AVPR (unchanged at rubbish)

I hold the idea of Prometheus up with the original Alien idea.  Prometheus is really a genius movie.  My only complaint is this (and I think it is common sense actually)

Why does Bladerunner 2049 get a almost a 3hr run time and we get Prometheus with a 2 hr run time.  I love both, but I think Prometheus deserved more run time.

That complaint aside, I still love Prometheus.  I also loved that fact that no one can tell that it is legitamently apart of the Alien franchise until the very end.  When I saw Prometheus, I saw it because it just looked like an awesome movie.  I didn't know that it was a part of the Alien franchise until I thought there was some copyright issue with the deacon at the end.  After that, I knew it was a part of the Alien franchise.  I love the idea that I couldn't tell till the end.  It really allowed me to watch the movie and really enjoy it and not get caught up with what a Xeno is going to do.

Long story short, I REALLY loved Prometheus.

My complaint with Alien: Covenant is the fact that Ridley Scott said, "This movie is going to scare the $h!t out of people."  Guess what, it didn't scare me at all.  So, that complaint is with the advertising really.

Still, I do have other problems with Alien: Covenant, but it isn't a bad movie.  It wasn't good either.  It was decent.  Still, I was a little disappointed in the fact that it didn't live up to what Prometheus set in place.

Just clicked the link... and also noticed it links to a November 2015 draft  Alien Covenant November 2015

This could be one of the latter drafts prior to Shooting, so i will have to check this one out too and compare.

once again Kudos to https://www.avpgalaxy.net/

"The other is Covenant's script, but man, in it David is just a Bond villain, plain and simple with his goal being galactic domination. Humans are just primates (but he slept with one at least, so what is?) and the Engineer are freaks of nature, and the Xenomorph are his army."

I will try and read it over the next 48 hours, had a quick look and indeed some of it seems very unimaginative not in some Plot Points but the way they are written... seems like more of a Comic Book kind of take... as opposed to the more thought provoking Prometheus and i guess Alien Covenant to a degree. 

I think this draft seems to be more a closer relation to a Popcorn/Horror than any real Philosophical elements.. but i had better reserve judgement until i have read the whole thing and taken some time to do so.

I think the main thing is every person has their own personal opinions and well everyone is entitled to that, it what makes us all unique.  I think there is nothing wrong with enjoying the Prequels... why even AVP  (one has to Question AVPR lovers... joke, do any exist lol).

I have to agree with Aliens, i think some people will always like it because its a good Action Popcorn Flick...  but for me as i get older and older and after watching it over and over, the movie seems to have lesser interest for me...

Its still a well done Popcorn Flick,  but i just never see it the same way i used to in my early 30's but mainly teens and 20's it was awesome....   Now its well its good for what it is.

On the other side of the coin, Alien 3 has grown with me as i get older, when i first saw it and afterwards in the 90's i felt it was a bit of a disappointment.

Prometheus is a movie that i was a little disappointed with but its grown on me every time i see it.... while Alien Covenant has not done nothing to change my mind in spite of 4 viewings now.  I have appreciated it a bit for understanding its limitations, but it has not grown on me with each extra viewing.

My Ratings as of now are.

Alien 8.5/10   (unchanged)

Aliens 7/10 (down from 8/10)

Alien 3 7/10  (up from 5.5/10)

Alien R  5/10 (not changed)

Prometheus 7/10 (up from 6/10)

Alien Covenant 5/10 (unchanged)

And for FUN...

AVP 5.5/10 (popcorn fun)

AVPR 3.5/10 (oh dear)

Opps....  Indeed realized my Typo's  yeah i meant 2094 so i edited it with 2094* so the post now makes sense with my post...

Also edited the 10 years after i meant 10 years prior... silly me ;)

Looking at the Paradise Lost Draft just a quick peak it appears this Crossing (in spite of errors) is written by Logan (well at very least the same person).

Fair enough. I saw Alien 3 when it came out, still feel the same way about it: indifferent. I can understand the arguments for and against it. Not sure where that puts me on the "trendy" scale. 

Saw Prometheus on it's midnight showing when it opened. I may have been in the minority who was just fine with the absence of eggs, chestburster, xeno's running around. I like the "primal" nature of it, HP Lovecraft all the way, who are these engineers and why did they make such effective weapons? 

I don't pay attention to public grades, so that's cool to hear that the prequels are more liked than I realized.

see Well, I 'll be a naysayer right here... There is not a consensus that these movies suck. Judging by the public grades on the various review sites, we can only tell that the prequels are less loved by the original 2 movies and more then 3 and 4. That's all you can say..

If you like them both good for you, I only like Prometheus and the First part of the original from the franchise, both not containing the titular Alien/Xenomorph. So I might be even more weird then you...

And you know what, there is a trend now to re-evaluate number 3, which is the most depressing of the original Quadrilogy, so you might rewatch it also and be "trendy".

Welcome see. David certainly looks like David Bowie in Prometheus.

Leeta. Prometheus and Alien: Covenant are easily some of my favorite movies too (along with Signs, Clear and Present Danger, both Blade Runner films). 

Precious Guidance

Thank you for providing the lessons learned during your decade of experience synopsis above in dealing with arrogance, brown nosers, name callers, and other lowly-named groups cited above that display shameful behavior. We will now be able to navigate it Gavin.

The only thing that I can conclude is that I must be some kind of moron, since I like these prequels, even though the consensus is they suck or that Scott is no good. I must be missing something.

Nope. I also like the prequels and consider Prometheus as one of my favourite movies, even though I would change some things. 

Welcome to Scified.

You are entitled to like and dislike whatever aspects of whatever franchise you wish to, although this is often forgotten by some forum members, no matter the website. Having been an avid forum goer for over 10 years now I have seen my fair share of ego-centric and self-opinionated a-holes that like nothing more than to impose their views and opinions upon others. Sadly such individuals will hide behind the faceless anonymity that the internet affords them to push such attitudes, be it grammar nazis, SJW's, canon-philes, brown nosers, naysayers, trolls, or just your typical A-grade a-holes.

With over a decades experience with such unsavoury characters I find it best to ignore them, thus starving them of the attention and/or praise they desire, even though it can be entertaining from time to time to challenge their arrogance, though this only works if you know unequivocally that they are wrong about whatever it is they are preaching. Just so long as we always remember to argue the topic, not the individual.

@BigDave

That's 8th of April 2094 however... and the events of Covenant are a little bit less then 10 years after.

Thanks for finding them and posting them here too ;)

I am looking forwards to reading the Paradise Lost Draft some time latter on and i think this will give us a lot to debate... Thanks for the Share.

@BigDave

Certainly credits go to them, no denying that. 

I have been busy this week totally missed any Topics Posted, so Kudos for finding them and posting them....

I feel indeed as you was first to post this, which you kindly pointed out, i feel its only fair to Feature Your Topic ;)

http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/47523

Certainly a Good Find...    Thanks..  and also Credit to http://www.avpgalaxy.net for coming across these drafts.

Going to Feature this... as its only right as you posted first ;)

@BigDave

why me signaling these subjects (both scripts) in http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/47523  has generated no interest? What was I doing wrong.

I think its a case of patience... we just have to wait and hopefully Ridley Scott may be asked during one of his interviews in future or he may indeed mention it.

I think if we have NO News by April Next year, then i think we can start to be concerned over whether we will ever see another Franchise Movie any time soon.

I feel Disney are in NO Rush..... and sadly it could be a very long wait for us and the longer the wait, the less likely a Ridley Scotts intended Sequel to Alien Covenant would happen...  i have a feeling if we get NO NEWS by April 26th 2019, then we could eventually more likely see a AVP Reboot instead.... and when we finally get another Alien Movie i think we could either skip the Prequels or get a Direct Prequel set 10-15 years after the events of Alien Covenant.

"Harbison smiled to herself. Peter would have been pleased to learn that the bulk of the policy payout had been directed into the Walter project’s fund,"

This is interesting, as it shows a majority of the pay out went to the improvement and manufacture of the Synthetics putting the Emphasis on Synthetics being very important... compared to other projects.

Just Re-Read the draft and noticed a few things..

Firstly where i wondered if David felt upset at doing his part of the bargain only for Dr Shaw to Eject him into space... its clear that her reasons for this are because of the way he began to behave and how he was attempting to Re-attach himself... so i missed that.

Other things for me as far as the writing seem a bit flawed, in terms to how Dr Shaw would act and speak compared to what we was shown in Prometheus... but then every writer can have a different take on a Character.

There are a number of Spelling Mistakes... which i find ODD and also some other discrepancies... which makes me wonder is this just that Logan has not paid attention to detail?

One element being

TEN YEARS LATER

Deep-Space Colony Ship USCSS COVENANT

CREW: 14, +1 SYNTHETIC

PASSENGERS: 3600

MISSION: Terraform and Populate

DESTINATION: Origae-6

DATE: 2103, 239 light-years from Earth

Yet Dr Shaw mentions it being April 8th (she thinks) so we have to assume April 2104 (2094*), she latter mentions he became unstable TWO Months ago.  (so about February 2104 2094*).  And then Months pass.

So we are looking at what?  June-September 2104? 2094*

Yet the last part mentions 10 years latter, when in fact 10 years later than 2103 (2093*) would be before they even arrived on LV-223 in Prometheus...  Maybe this is just a hindsight.

I do WONDER has this been confirmed as a legit draft? or could it be a Fan Made one?

I think some of the draft was well done, other parts i was not a fan off and they kind of did not fit with what the Alien Covenant Movie but more so the Actual Crossing Viral showed..... maybe i was a bit harsh and jumped the Gun to point out this inconsistency.

We Do-Not really know what state the Covenant Draft was at the time of this Crossing one, so changes to the movie and Crossing drafts could have been made after....

The whole Bombardment Scene appears to be slightly different too, as in the Crossing Video we see the Engineers start to Flock towards the Hanger when they realize a Engineer Ship is returning.

Also we have things in AC and the Crossing that have to indicate to us that Dr Shaw Salvaged the Wreckage of the Prometheus and Life-Boat for a number of items we see used in the Crossing and in Alien Covenant.  So this implies there was a number of changes in the Crossing from this earlier draft.

I kind of think the version that we got could have been longer, but i certainly would not have had a number of elements from this earlier draft but thats just individual opinions.

Looking at AC and the Crossing we got, i am draw to David misunderstanding Dr Shaws Treatment of him as more than Friendly, and David falls for her... gets rejected and as a Android with Emotions and while not Human, i feel some Emotions David would really struggle with.... and rejection could be one of those.

I may have been a bit harsh on Logan... i think he has done some good stories in the past but maybe Sci-Fi is not his best subject, when i look at the Crossing in this Topic and Alien Covenant there are things that had been done, that i personally dont think was done well... but thats just my TWO CENTS and there are even things in Lindeloffs and Spaights drafts for Prometheus/Alien Engineers that i find a Flawed too.

A part of my rant was having a laugh to... i was not being to serious, but then mixed with some parts i was venting some disappointment at some odd things... it could come across as totally bashing Logan ;)

I have had some time to rest and also sober up (mind you i was only  Tipsy but shows you dont look at stuff as well as when you have had NO drinks lol)   And so i can come back with more clear prospective on this draft

Talking about Incoherent... i guess my ramblings were a bit like this, One Should not attempt to analyse stuff when very tired and not long back after a over 5 Liters beer/ale fest in a few hours lol

"Well the script clearly contradicts you"

I certainly have to agree, regarding the draft.  When i had interpreted Dr Shaw and David from Prometheus to Alien Covenant, the clues led me down a different path just as with what Leeta had said.   But any kind of theory has to be down to own personal interpretations as the movie and Crossing were both ambiguous to a degree.   HOWEVER.. this earlier draft for the Crossing paints a different picture for sure.  This draft if i can try and make sense of it in a way to Logically connect some elements seems to show that David has a Agenda from Day One and here merely played Dr Shaw at a game...  and it appears he had NO feelings towards her what so ever...

This version paints David as a even worse Psychopath than we thought, his twisted mind was playing with Dr Shaws feelings, he was waiting to see her BELIEVE she would finally get her answers and then waited until this moment to KILL her... thats one Evil SOB it would be like getting someone to fall for you, you take them to say Iceland Pamper them and take them to a Volcano and get on your knees.. they think you are about to Propose and then you shove them into the Volcano.

So now i have to to look at it with more Clarity, thats one pretty nasty David...  Which makes the Whole Shrine etc to Dr Shaw and comments he makes regarding her, now something that shows this Robot is clearly very Disturbed so i kind of like this aspect.

But a David like this would have serious intentions for the Covenant Crew, where his Agenda would be Paramount... however looking at this Psychopath, we could see him still set up a Colony and Fool the Colonist to thinking they found Paradise... only to then Reveal his Horrific Intentions.  I can kind of buy this take on David.

I just feel the alternative Crossing portrays Dr Shaw a bit odd, but i think my main gripe is the Vines with Fruit, and the Water Room..  but as i said before (and i may have been harsh) these are used as a Plot Device to explain how Dr Shaw could survive for months on that Ship while pondering Putting David together.  Because there is no way she could survive for months unless she went into Cryo-Sleep and we could see the Engineer was connected to the Cryo-Pod in a certain way.

I think maybe we can look at a reason for David being upset... i mean he offered Dr Shaw a way off that piece of ROCK that is LV-223 only for Dr Shaw to then not put him back together, despite David getting them off LV-223 in TWO Halves and showing Dr Shaw how to operate the Ship and in Return she sends his Head into Space.

So i can see why the Fruit Tree and Water Room were needed, but i just think they could have given us a different way of doing it, because when we saw the Juggernaught in Prometheus and Alien Covenant... having a Garden Room and Water Room just did not seem so fitting for a Ship that we had to assume was Advanced and could Travel very fast and far and that Cryo-sleep was used by the Engineers.  So no need for the Garden/Water Rooms... but they was a necessary plot device to allow Dr Shaw to survive.

The Floating David Head... is something i am not a fan of, but what i try and do is come up with Logical ways to explain something a bit illogical... and so for Davids Head... i assume maybe the Juggernaught is Protected inside some kind of Bubble, and they use this to allow them to FTL Travel and so anything outside the ship but within this Bubble would travel at the same speed as the Juggernaught.

@BigDave

Well the script clearly contradicts you... Shaw falls for him, they cuddle/have sex and she even she asks him about his ambitions (of course he does not answer). In short, he is not treated like a toaster, yet in the movies script he lies to Walter that he will be treated only as that, which seem to be also a lie.

Also in that script, David wants to rule the galaxy, he was not afraid of humans (of primates), or of the Engineers (which he considers to be some freaks of nature). For that he would have use his Xeno "soldiers" (as opposed to him, the general) and the engineer fleet.

Judging from all of this for Logan only the Roman Empire and James Bond villains are important, not sci-fi, which is a minor genre (as opposed to James Bond).

Also if this scripts are from 2015 and the story was already established as an Alien movie, why even leak the Blomkamp Alien project. It was clear that nobody wanted 2 alien movies in such a short distance. 

Ingeniero - In your article you linked the Castle Frankenstein which is close to Darmstadt. That seems to be totally 'understandable' owing to the Mary Shelley/Modern Prometheus connection.

But the character from the book, Loess Steinmetz, mentions the town Frankenstein adding that it can be found in the mountains west of Heidelberg. So she is speaking about the town close to Neustadt.

I think Foster wanted to refer to the castle in Darmstadt as well since that would be much more relevant. Have we just discovered a mistake made by the writer? If so, not an important one, of course...

"And him killing her because of rejection"

Leeta

Indeed this is what i was drawn to, if anyone studied David from Prometheus, his reaction to how he was treated and referred to by Holloway and David, his fascination with Laurence of Arabia and stuff.    We could paint the Picture that David is very much like Pinocchio we can see that he appears to want to have more Human Interests (Laurence of Arabia) he feels he is Sentient, he must see he is Superior to Humans, yet was made to Serve.

And then if we see how Dr Shaw Reacted to him, in-spite of how David had been towards her (the Theatrical Ending to Prometheus) we can see then from the Crossing that we got, that David had noticed how KIND and different Dr Shaw was to him, how maybe he felt she treated him different to how other Humans had done.

The Nature Boy Lyrics from the Trailer Hold very True IMO

"Then we spoke of many things: Fools and kings" maybe links to Weyland.

"Then he said to me"

"The greatest thing you'll ever learn Is to love and be loved in return"

This paints a picture that Davids Emotional State was influenced by how he was treated, and so in Dr Shaw he felt treated better...  We can look at Davids comment to Daniels near the end of Alien Covenant...   in regards to "what kind of a world can we build" which David replies.. "if we are kind, it will be a kind world"

These paint a better picture for David and his Actions rather than being a MAD ROBOT...

So we see in the Crossing Dr Shaws Hair has grown by a amount that would take 10-12 Months, certainly at least 6-9 months, so it seems Dr Shaw had to spend many months interacting with David before she built up the Confidence to TRUST him, you can imagine the Many Months of Interactions between them before she puts him back together again (RS did say prior to AC, that she SLOWLY puts him back together again).

So they become FOND of Each Other...  David maybe feared being Alone and had Fallen for Dr Shaw, so he had no choice but to Bombard the Engineers (while Shaw was in Cryo-sleep).  Because here is NO-WAY he could risk Dr Shaw meeting these beings and merely being killed, or even that David would be killed too... he wants to Survive, he wants Dr Shaw to Survive.

And Hence the Bombardment..

I would assume David makes some excuse to why he had to do so, or why it happened, and David would then say the Atmosphere was Infected so that Dr Shaw is Confined to the Juggernaught, and this allows David to get up to all the stuff he had been doing.

I think on ONE-HAND David Made Advances to Dr Shaw, as he saw their Love as more than Platonic which may have freaked Dr Shaw out... and David may have seen this as Rejection and that Dr Shaw is no different to Humans...

And on the OTHER-HAND maybe she grew suspicious and wandered outside and discovered that actually the Environment was not as Infected as David let on...  i would also ASSUME she discovered some of what David was doing, and maybe he had a Proposal for her, that she also Rejected and then she tried to escape before David then Killed her.

THIS ^^^ is how i interpreted the Crossing with Alien Covenants Clues and David from Prometheus etc.   I feel this is interesting.

But the Crossing Draft in this Thread, actually gives us a Totally different and less interesting picture.

I will say this Crossing throws some interesting clues though, i wonder how much of this matches the plans for AC as far as Planet 4?

I am not a Fan of Davids Head and Shoe floating in Space while at FTL, and yet remains close by... or the Convenience of the Ship having a Fruit Tree, a Water Feature, and then they do some Cooking too... 

Nope to me the Engineers Ships looked set up like something that Holds the Cargo, The Engineers and then they go into Cryo-sleep.. I think John Logans Crossing they have basically tried to think how do we explain how Dr Shaw Survived, and also get past how to answer the Question... How Does Dr Shaw manage to get into those Cryo-Sleep Pods without the Mask the Engineer had, and the way the Tubes connected to the Suit.

A Answer could be Dr Shaw was fused with a Suit?

But nope the other way around is have the Ship have A Garden, a Water Feature for Bathing/Drinking and Appliances to do some Cooking.

But what it also raised with interest is that Planet 4 is about 240 Light years from LV-223 which would put it in the 200-300 Light Year Distance from Earth.

It also means our Engineer Ships Travel about 200-400 Light Years per Year... a lot depends on what we draw from the Months Dr Shaw was on the Ship.... which could be 6-12 months.

Another FLAW.... the Defense Systems on Planet 4, would surely mean they had more detection methods than we actually saw in the Movie, yet David got through to Bomb them.

Another FLAW... If Davids Agenda was to Bomb the Engineers and Kill Dr Shaw, then why wait until we arrive at Planet 4, he could have killed her at any point...

The only logical explanation would be her wanted to see the look on her Face when she had arrived, and see her excitement at finally getting some answers... to then at that moment Kill her..

This depicts David as Totally Twisted and Ruthless... which if we go by this Mentality, does not spell well for the Covenant Crew and so a Covenant 2 will be David just creating Experiments and Xenomorphs from the Crew.... so no real Human interaction.

I just find it very unimaginative and incoherent kind of writing...

Bit Tired now... so i will do some in-depth analysis of this Prologue, but i think its Great with what we got and NOT this Bag of Incoherent and inconsistent errors..

Looking at this Draft for the Crossing, and then looking at the Flaws of Alien Covenant... a Pattern has emerged and i have GRAVE CONCERNS if John Logans Penned Alien Covenant 2 happens.

And we have people who are displeased with Lindeloff lol....  at least his draft is Coherent some what... Spaights is very coherent but very Robotic.

We have been given here just Lazy Plot Devices to Explain Certain things....   Fruit on the Juggernaught? Water that Dr Shaw drinks from and Baths... i mean do the Engineers have like a Built in Spa on these ships LOL

This may seem like a Drinking Mans Rant ;) Guilty.. but i will give a more detailed break down tomorrow or tuesday.

But this draft if we had this word for word/scene for scene would just basically make DAVID just a CRAZY Robot...  it also implies Dr Shaw had Fallen for David and it basically does not add up to the clues in Alien Covenant.

PS  FTL Travel and yet a Head Still Floats near by...  Just not well thought out at all... basically lets anything become a McGuffin.

PS Ridley Scott Drop us a Email ;) i will write you something, as i dread to think what Logans concocted for the sequel...   Looking at this Draft and how AC is set up... it would paint a picture that David would just Turn all those Colonists into Eggs/Experiments.

But i think a lot had been changed after this Prologue, and i think the elements that made it to the Crossing Viral fitted well.  Half of the stuff not included seemed  a mess... thats just my Opinion though.

FRANKENSTEIN

The town Frankenstein is about 20 minutes of driving from Kaiserslautern.

Not to be confused with another Frankenstein Castle near Darmstadt, its castle is situated literally on the top of a railway line connecting Neustadt to Kaiserslautern.

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The German name Frankenstein means "stone of the Franks", and it is associated with various places in Germany, including Frankenstein Castle (Burg Frankenstein) in Darmstadt, Hesse, and Frankenstein Castle in Frankenstein, a town in the Palatinate. There is also a castle called Frankenstein in Bad Salzungen, Thuringia, and a municipality called Frankenstein in Saxony.

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Frankenstein is a municipality in the district of Kaiserslautern, in Rhineland-Palatinate, western Germany. On a hill towering over the village is Frankenstein Castle. Frankenstein (Pfalz) station is located on the Mannheim–Saarbrücken railway.

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It is not a place I would like to live in Ingeniero but thank you for your investigation and informative topic.

Sorry ATI but as a David myself... the Female Equivalent has been reserved as Davina... as yes thats when i fancy letting my Feminine side out LOL ;)

But on a serious note, if the Weyland Company was real and its Synthetics i would certainly assume the Female Versions would outsell the Male Counter-parts.

The information from the Origins Novel is interesting as it indeed suggests that as of the Time-Line around the Covenants Launch that Female Synthetics are also available and Jacob is either Misinformed, or does not have much knowledge or interest in the Synthetics...

Or otherwise it would imply the Walter Model is a NEW model that has not been released for very long prior to the Covenant Mission. We could even speculate from this information that the Covenant Ship is one of the first to Employ a Walter Model.

Regarding the Weyland Virals for Prometheus and the Prologue for Alien Covenant, i dont think we can read into the Prometheus back ground information much anymore.  Hence why the site was taken down.

AC and the Novels seem to imply David in the movies is the FIRST of his kind, now the Prometheus Virals had the First David as being unveiled in the year 2025 some 69 years prior to Prometheus.

The AC Prologue Guy Pearce was 49 years old... I think looking at Weyland in AC we can assume he has to be between 45-50 years old in this scene.  If they are keeping to the Peter Weyland Born in 1990 this means this Scene takes place in the year 2035-2040.

When looking at descriptions of the David Models, the level David was at in this Prologue would hint at it being the David 3 or David 4 Models...

But we have to consider that Alien Covenant has Re-wrote the Weyland Timeline as far as Prometheus, and if this is the FIRST David then its safe to assume that David was first created around the year 2035-40 and NOT 2025.

It really comes down to those working on the Projects not having any consideration for previous LORE or HISTORY and so we get a make it up/change it as we go along..

My Interpretation of this Prologue Scene prior to seeing Alien Covenant and even after...  (prior to the Origins Novel) was that David Proto-types would have their Memories/Soul uploaded to the next Model.

But looking at the Prologue it appears this shows the FIRST David because he Names himself after the Statue of David.   Looking at how Old Peter Weyland looked he would pass for at least 40 years old, and NO older than 55.   So this kind of causes conflicts.

A lot now depends if Peter Weyland was still born in 1990 or now its been changed to much latter.

'It appears that the Covenant crew was kept in the dark in regards to the details of the development of the synthetic that was to join them on the colonization mission to Origae-6. And that there were David models of both sexes in appearance.'

Hm, remarkable piece of information, thank you Ingeniero.

I believe it is very probable that the direct prequel to Alien will introduce a female android.

I would be happy to see Olga Kurylenko in the movie. She would be perfect as the new android 'Davidova 7'.

Featured this, very interesting post.