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@Michelle Johnston

I don't know, but there sources also say that even the earliest script had pretty much the same story, but Shaw would be killed at a different time. As if the were ashamed of her, of the Engineers and were Lindelof was going. Was he blamed that Prometheus was not successful enough? if so maybe he is vindicated...

What you say is interesting for some of us, but apparently not for those involved.

What i still wonder, if in 2014/2015 this was already an alien movie, why was Blomkamp advocating his Alien movie? Of course no one would greenlight 2 alien movies at the same time.

The reason I repeatedly bring up BR2049 is because it is challenging what is existence. 

So

Shaw

Believes in a divine God mythos which is paternalistic and beyond any understanding.

David

Is a mechanical construct but one that has sentient feelings from the moment he is activated if we accept the PW/D8 opening.

Engineers

Who are ... Engineers in others they construct life out if mechanistic rituals which have been gifted to them.

What a thoroughly fantastic way to go beyond 2001 (creation, catalysts, humans and robots) and explore these themes in more detail. 

Shaw - has the potential for horror of horrors to realise that there is a mechanical element to creation, which she is not capable if and yet has been shown the mutagen can allow her to birth. Would she not like Adam and Eve be tempted to eat the apple. 

David - Healed by the woman whose partner he destroyed would he not be affected by such compassion and come to realise that existence is more than nuts and bolts. 

Engineers

Wow there are so many ways this could have gone. Paradise Lost is that like Elizabeth they are barren and it is a dying world the gifts of creation having been withdrawn because of their fall on LV223. 

So D & E reach a dying world (that feels a lot and looks a lot like BR2049) and interact with a handful of Engineers who reveal the true horror of their fall and their corruption of the catalyser. 

Shaw the reformist and David the curious can go in all sorts of directions. 

I Moon Girl It does have much more than the Quadrilogy. You will not be disappointed.

@dk

I bought the Alien Anthology.  It apparently has more stuff than the Quadrilogy.  Thanks for the motivation!  I can't wait till it gets delivered!

Great movie! Wouldn't want to be there in Rosenthal's scene though.

I dont think any re-work should be done to them, maybe they could CGI some Xenomorph Scenes to add some polish but to make the Technology that was from stuff we had around the 70's  (VDU displays) would be too much work and could have a negative impact.

I think the same applies to the others too.... any poor effects/CGI could maybe get improved like they did with Star Wars, but in general i think they should be left as they was.

I think when trying to piece together what may have been as far as what could lead to the Crossing, and so maybe this reply fits a bit to what Michelle was saying..

We have TWO Survivors of Prometheus....

Dr Shaw...  A Scientist who expected that going to LV-223 will reveal some answers/truths behind the creation of Mankind and our Purpose in the Grand Scheme of things...  What she discovers contradicts her FAITH..... there are no Gods like her Faith has, these beings are connected to ourselves but they are Mortal Advanced Ancient Humanoids... who had made a lot of effort in our creation and nurturing and then they attempted to create something to Destroy/Replace us and then after this failed, they apparently abandoned us.

Dr Shaw has NOTHING, No Parents, No Fiance and Can-Not have Children....  All she wants NOW is Answers... Why did THEY create us, WHY did they want to Destroy us, WHAT Changed their minds...   SHE would be willing to take the RISK of Death if it even gives her the slightest Chance of getting her Answers.. and a Part of her holds on to her FAITH that maybe there is a GOD or beings above these Engineers and maybe THEY are more Benevolent like her Faith seems to indicate.

David is alone and FREE from being a Servant to Weyland and Mankind, he has spent his whole life, seeing Weylands Fascination with Perfection/Creation and then Pursuit to Prolong his Life from the Inevitable Climax that is Death.  David would know he is SUPERIOR to Humans in almost every way, and provided he is maintained he WILL NEVER DIE and having more Free-will in his Programming than other Robots... David would start to ask WHY should he Serve a In-Superior being.. what makes Humans more Deserving to be the ones David should Serve.  This is very much the same kind of thinking that leads to the Fall of Lucifer 

David has spent years being treated as a Machine/Servant instead of on equal Terms to Humans.   When he is on his way to LV-223 he has had time to Study Dr Shaws works, and he takes a great interest in meeting our MAKERS..     David then discovers these beings are NOT GODS and they are MORTAL after all

David is no doubt intrigued about the revelations about his own Creators, Makers (aka Engineers) i also think he has a interest in the whole Creation/Creator Philosophy and knowing that he is Superior to his Creator and then that his Creators Creator is also just a Humanoid and all that separates them really is Knowledge and Technology which David now has some fundamental knowledge about.  David discovering he can use their Technology and Knowledge and that HE can-not be infected by the Outbreak that killed Mankinds so called makers, then this leaves us wondering what Davids Agenda could be.

So we can see from the Get Go, Davids possible Agenda and Goals he could achieve are far more than what Dr Shaw merely wants.

They are at a STALE-MATE without Dr Shaw, David would remain in TWO Halves, he would be incapacitated he would perform no other function than to be left stranded all alone... he is No Longer Free  he is a Prisoner on that Crashed Juggernaught.  We have to ask how long can David Function before his Battery or Systems Fail... and we simply had no idea how long this would be.

We have Dr Shaw, who is also Stranded on that Forsaken Rock, she has only limited Life-Support on the Life-Boat but she has to take the risk of going back to this Vessel and ponder what becomes of the Trillobite she Gave Birth too, and the Engineer and even if they are assumed DEAD... Dr Shaw has only limited Life Support that she would have to PRAY another Ship arrives within 2 years...  But as the question was proposed... who would return first?  Humans?  or Engineers?

So David and Dr Shaw NEED each other, without either they are Marooned on LV-223 until someone else arrives or until their systems/life support runs out/fails.  This leaves a Interesting Dynamic as far as a game of Chess/Trust...  Dr Shaw would surely know that IF she puts David back together he would be Dangerous but the only Alternative is to be stranded on LV-223.

The END of Prometheus shows us that some kind of deal must have been made, and that Dr Shaw and David did leave LV-223.

THIS IS WHEN WE ARRIVE AT THE CROSSING..

The Draft One and Actual One we got, both set up a slightly different conclusion to the last day/hours before the Juggernaught Departed LV-223.

I’m not sure how a Feel’o’rama approach would work with an Alien movie, but I reckon anything’s worth a try once.

Feel 'o'rama experience.

I'm happy about this, many suggestions in the film are known for those approaching the subject of John Milton,  why we must analyze every single second and discover that this "Alien Covenant" is dense and we will look to the future keeping in mind the effectiveness of this prequel.
thank you Ingeniero for being there.
I will continue with the hidden analyzes of suggestion of representative shots of the biblical poem.

Atlas is another issue which I would like to deal with.

"Au Revoir Shoshanna"

Regarding the Lucifer reference...I believe David and Lucifer have no daylight in-between them.

David is a perfect vessel, built on arrogance, for Lucifer to take hold in and rule over the fallen beasts.

Brilliant comparison V I N E T I C U M.

The comparison is very compelling and your analysis sounds like the Waltermorph theory (I'm still a believer).

Thank you for the images and discussion.

Yes Ati, I have to admit that Olga Kurylenko is a peach but I can only imagine how beautiful Davina would be.

Be nice or Davina will wipe out your planet with pink (or teal, my daughters' preference) goo mutagen. 

This idea that a film featuring David and Shaw and the Engineer Homeworld which Damon Lindelof has indicated has not yet been "reached" would be difficult to make is undermined by BR2049. It has one main character who is joined by another as they find the answer to a riddle. It would have been adult, deeply philosophical, breath taking in its portrayal of a dystopian world and would pursue the themes of 2001 which is essentially what Prometheus is all about but it would not have been an ALIEN movie. It would simply have given context to the Xenomorph which was created out of the experiments on LV 223. Making David the creator of denture features was all "bread and circuses" and has backfired.

I actually think Blomkamp was right if your gonna do a retread go full on and get the whole band together again. Whether that or a Prom 2 would have actually sold who knows. But my generation just LOVES nostalgia with a low sense of audacity and real challenge. "Just play the same tunes"

All life comes from the gift taken by the Acolyte set down by the tear drop ship. That was tainted by a fall and produced the catastrophe of LV 223 as Ridders said, E Bola like, that was a perfectly respectable beginning for penis head.     

Bingo BigDave.

"We could even speculate from this information that the Covenant Ship is one of the first to Employ a Walter Model.

Regarding the Weyland Virals for Prometheus and the Prologue for Alien Covenant, i dont think we can read into the Prometheus back ground information much anymore.  Hence why the site was taken down."

To me, the novel tends towards the Walter on the Covenant is the 1st Walter. All the departments were needed to sign off "commissioning" Walter as if last checks to a new "type" of equipment. And I believe you are correct as to the reason why the Weyland Industries site went from something to nothing.

I must now go "cherry pick" the parts of the timeline from the site that fits my narrative and cast aside inconvenient details. Sounds familiar. Oh no.

ignorantGuy- no, too many characters to include the "e" in arse.

Well I can tell you only an example of what makes me stay away from the cinema. The latest is (The?) Tomb Raider with A. Vikander (David's gf) because it is a reboot of the crappy originals, based on the reboot of the video games, which had a great story if I recall correctly. But in the trailers it shows that they reintroduced cheese where there was none in the reboot game (as Lara uses two pistols in the end sequence  to save her friend yet in the movie she takes two). Mrs Fassbender also says the she would like to make many more of these, as did RS, so we have precedents for bad quality. And I have even read that a review which said that this movie is a anniversary gift for the boyfriend to prove that he is not the only one capable to play in s#itty videogame movies.

So for me to go to the cinema would entail have a good track record and wanting to make a good movie firstly, not $$$.

And dk, you did spell arse incorrectly in the title, but you know maybe subconsciously you knew that ars in Romanian means "burnt" :P.  

About all I've enjoyed so far was a fps Alien game on the PS1 and a Predator game that was on the Xbox. The Predator game had the full range of goodies and trophy taking. I'd like to see that one continued.

Recently, I have been playing a lot of the older COD games, like COD 2, WAW, etc.

And I have a few favorite over all:

Halo

Tomb Raider

Gears of War

Hyperdimension Neptunia

Project Gotham

Slotozilla

Sonic the Hedgehog

Mario

Crash

On a side note....

Im rather disturbingly intrigued to see BigDave's Succubus/Siren Femme Fatale predator idea happen :P

Trailers and Promo art that is actually an honest representation of the film. They might get bums on seats, but misleading trailers will end in bad reviews.

For a cash grabbing pop-corn & explosions film (*cough Transformers Cough*) that might be enough. Money talks.

But its not acceptable for a franchise looking for longevity over $$$

Also, a trailer should give you a glimpse into the film, not a summary of the whole bloody plot!

Im not having a dig at Covenant here, there are many franchises doing this to jack up ticket sales. But honestly if the next Alien film was to have no Xenomorphs in it for example, tell us that. Let us decide and get intrigued by an Alien film with no Aliens, rather than pretend it did.

Maybe its why Prometheus did better (overall) than Covenant in $$ and Ratings. Honesty and intrigue. 

Nice. Thanks all for being cool. There's probably not much I can add that hasn't already been discussed. I do hope Scott gets to finish what he started. 

The Quadrilogy should be left alone. Carry on but leave the originals intact.

Not sure we will see a remake in ohhh the next 3 decades or so. Almost every big hit will probably be remade, but this movie still has enough in it to warrant sequels'reboots over a remake. If it did happen, I would assume Ridley Scott would only be a producer at most. 

A book between Covenant and Prometheus is a great idea! Would make it easier to make a slower, lore heavy, lovecraftian, ODD story. Much easier to make Prometheus 2 that way. 

Well, that will be something. But sadly (or happily to some) Disney owns Alien, and everything Alien. They only do pg-13, which is foreign to the Alien franchise. 

They may remake it, but whats Alien without the blood and guts and Ellen standing in the Narcissus, kinda naked, ready to fight the alien?

Personally, I think if Alien is remade by Disney, It will suck. 

Just take a look at Star Wars. 

Well, according to an interview with Harper, it was Ridley Scott who wanted to end the focus on the relationship between David and Shaw. It would have been interesting but also very limiting? Just David and Shaw and some engineers would perhaps be hard to make something out of? So, they had to bring in another party - The Covenant Crew. In order for that to work, to get new main characters, you would have to end the focus on David and Shaw and she would have to be dead? The logic from Prometheus also gives us this development of David - the rebel who turns against his creators? The AI focus is also consistent with Scott’s view of AI as dangerous and contact with extraterrestrials as well (just as the sadly departed Hawking).

The black goo has been given many names, such as xenovirus, mutagen and pathogen. Personally, I like the name mutagen best since that seems to be the main purpose of the liquid? It’s supposed to mutate its host into something different and highly aggressive. Interestingly, Holloway didn’t become aggressive, whereas Fifield did. The indigenous worms also mutated into the hammerpedes which also became aggressive. It seemed to work primarily as a pathogen on the engineers (well, perhaps they mutated also but they didn't seem to become aggressive towards one another?) whereas fungi changed, mutated, evolved into the spore-sprouting thing we met in AC?

"It CERTAINLY Warrants a Novel/Book of the events post Prometheus to prior to Alien Covenant, a Novel with a Section that has some images/notes (like Davids Workshop) would have been Fantastic."

I would love to read that book especially if it would include what David found out about the engineers' ways he mentioned in Advent.

I wonder what was the meaning of Alien Covenant Origins. Was it supposed to prepare the fans for a Covenant sequel film? I think people wanted to know what happened on planet 4 before Covenant's arrival.

Welcome to the club, see

"The only thing that I can conclude is that I must be some kind of moron, since I like these prequels, even though the consensus is they suck or that Scott is no good. I must be missing something. ///"

The prequels don't suck and Ridley Scott is the best director this franchise had so far. And you are old enough to know that.

As for me, only 4 films matters: Alien, Alien3, Prometheus and Alien Covenant. I proudly own the steelbook blu rays for them. 

I wonder if those who still like Aliens saw the film recently or it's because of some childhood memories.

Unfortunately the future of the franchise is in the hands of Disney and their target audience is that of Aliens, the popcorn fanboys.

"To continue the story of David and Shaw would have been very interesting"

Potentially yes.... but its something that could have been hard to do, a Question would have been if they should/would have encountered any Engineers or related beings and then how these beings would have reacted to David and Dr Shaw.

If we expanded on the Crossing and then what we see of Dr Shaw in Alien Covenant...  it would have been a movie that would have covered basically David and Dr Shaw interacting, David then killing her/using her for his experiments, David then experimenting with various Life-Forms and maybe we could see some alive Engineers being experimented on too.

This would be kind of limited, as far as what a broad audience would want to see, and as its a Alien Movie, it would simply not be enough of a Alien movie, and as a Prometheus sequel again it would not be enough of a Alien movie for the general public/Alien Fans (not inc Prometheus ones)

its doing a movie as described above, and then asking does David find/capture a few alive Engineers and what kind of dialect do they have etc....    because this would expand the movie a little.

But as FOX wanted a story to bring in the Xenomorph and indeed having a incoming Human Ship that comes across the Aftermath of what David had done... simply having a movie like i explained above as a Expanded Crossing ==> Few months/years prior to the Covenant.... would maybe be something a lot of Fans would not want to be interested in, and if this sets up Alien Covenant, maybe fans would be turned off the idea to go and see Alien Covenant, if the prequel to it (Prometheus 2) was something they could not engage with...

And also adding some expanded Crossing etc by having this as a extra 30-40 Minutes at the start of the movie would then give away a lot of the Plot and Surprises for when the Covenant Crew Arrive etc..  and having a 30-40 Minute Crossing/What David had done in those years Section in the middle of Alien Covenant would be maybe too much a large break up in the Alien Covenant movie.

So we have to kind of understand why we got what we did...

It CERTAINLY Warrants a Novel/Book of the events post Prometheus to prior to Alien Covenant, a Novel with a Section that has some images/notes (like Davids Workshop) would have been Fantastic.

Certainly would chli

If i come back to my comment about the Xeno-Virus i think it may appeared to be harsh... i can come across like that at times i think, where i dont intend on discrediting other people.  Just my Opinion.

so certainly its interesting to ask why it was referred to as the Xeno-Virus, this is a term that has been used on here and no doubt other sites way prior to Alien Covenant.. i am even guilty of using this term before...    The reasons we do this is because well its kind of like a Virus that imprinted Xenomorph Traits, that has to be connected to the Xenomorph in some way....

That with Alien Covenant the actual connection is the Xenomorph is the result of this Xeno-Virus... so it kind of seems odd to call it a Xeno-Virus is it pre-dates the Xenomorph... but then as it can lead to a Xenomorph i guess it can apply still.

Prometheus and Alien Covenant show us that the Xenomorph, Neomorph and Deacon are all results of the Black Goo, so its  a case of do we have any real NAME for related Organisms?  I mean we have orders like Reptiles, Birds, Primates so its a case of what does all these Morphs have as far as a Name... And well we dont have one... all we know is they are connected to that Black Goo and i guess as the Xenomorph is the more widely known of these Morphs, the Xeno-Virus just seems to stick more as explaining what the Pathogen is.

The Black Goo has always been a bit ambigious, the Advent Viral Video does give some more depth to it, but slightly makes it more complicated... were as Prometheus clearly shows it to be quite simple... and we need to remember Spaights Nano-Scarabs are the same thing, just they changed Scarabs to the Goo.. If we then look at Alien Engineers then the Goo is simply a Mutagenic Pathogen that Manipulates DNA, it breaks down DNA/Traits of a Organism that is infected with the Sacrificial Goo, into a new Substance that then passes on Traits of Sacrificed Organism.

It is thus likely the Urns contained something related to the Xenomorph that was Sacrificed....  If the Engineers became Facinated with a LION and felt its DNA and Traits would be something they would want to incorporate into other Life-Forms, then they could Sacrifice a LION with Sacrificial Goo, collect the Genetic Material/Pathogen that becomes of the Sacrificed LION and store these into Glass Vials/ampules (as seen with the Black Goo) then Bombard a Target with these and if they infect a Human/Engineer we basically get THUNDERCATS Humanoids lol

This ^^^^^ is basically what Prometheus kind of showed, its what Jon Spaights Alien Engineers showed as far as the Scarabs... and so the original concept was this is some kind of Creation/Evolutionary Tool...   which fits perfectly with the whole back story of the Engineers.

But those at FOX have kept changing how it works first with the Weyland Agent A0-3959X.91 – 15 File... that basically contradicted what we saw in Prometheus.

Then we get the Advent Viral which complicates what was essentially a simple Creation Tool.

"Honestly, I watched the original 4 numerous times"

Its totally understandable (your older post) in this context, because only ONE Alien movie really showed anything related to Prometheus and that was ALIEN, and by that the Derelict and Space Jockey and these scenes/shots were very brief, so indeed only those who paid a lot of attention to detail or had a fascination with the Derelict and Space Jockey would have made a connection with the Engineer suits and Juggernaught ship.

When i saw Prometheus one person i was with on my 2nd viewing had no idea what it was about, just that it was supposed to be a Alien movie and after seeing it they commented... ("i cant see how this connects to ALIENS at all") i mentioned its supposed to connect loosely to Alien as far as the Space Jockey and Derelict (i then had to explain what they was) and they was like "oh right i get ya.  But why was the Alien at the end so different" lol (so they said)

I found after seeing the movie a number of people at the Cinema were again confused how the HELL this connects with Alien, some even moaning that it was $"%%£$ as there was no Xenomorphs.

I think its kind of this General Consensus that lead FOX to consider this is what most fans wanted and why we had Alien Covenant.

And so indeed back to Prometheus as some of your last post mentions regarding the Alien Franchise,  and so indeed Prometheus expanded the Franchise and opened up a number of avenues that sadly Alien Covenant appeared to be closing.

Speaking of Prometheus

Has anyone been watching the Netflix show Damnation with Logan Marshall-Green (Holloway) playing an antagonist cowboy and strike-beaker?!

Although still not the most likeable character his new character is much more robust and less bland than Holloway. He does a good job, but he just seems to lack any charisma that makes you want to care for his characters.  

Great show though!

BigDave & Michelle

It would be interesting to read the original scripts by Harper and Green, but I suppose they aren’t around on the Internet? “MacGuffin virus is perhaps a good name for the black goo since it’s not explained in detail how it works and is made (although we get some obscure description of it through David in “Advent”). At least we know from Prometheus that it does give rise to some kind of xenomorph creature seen in the mural and the deacon.

The original scripts by Harper and Green perhaps had a more direct continuation of the story (about David and Shaw) which Logan abruptly and literally kills off very early on? The prologue in the script is then deleted altogether but we get to see some of it in “The Crossing”, though. At the end of “The Crossing” we also see David unleash the pathogen on the engineer world so we already know what he has become and what he’s done?

To continue the story of David and Shaw would have been very interesting (although we do get most of it from “The Crossing”, David telling about it in AC, and “Advent”. In AC we get the story of David and Shaw through the new characters’ (The Covenant crew) actions, dialogues and discoveries where we (the audience) are forced to do some puzzle making as well.

If there ever will be a continuation of the Alien saga leading up to the original Alien movie, I think there will be new main characters (maybe a couple from the colonists) and Daniels and Tennessee are dead (experimented on).

I think the Prometheus Engineer that ripped David's head off would not be too keen.

The humanoids from AC might enjoy a little tickle though.

Honestly, I watched the original 4 numerous times.  I remember feeling like I was doing something wrong by watching Alien: Resurrection of TV one time when my parents weren't home because it was an R.  I've always been fascinated with the Alien movies, but never got into the detail until I joined this forum some months before Alien: Covenant's release.

After watching Prometheus, I looked up on the internet to learn more about the movie.  I came across this forum before and almost joined, yet I didn't.  I wanted to, but it just felt like a commitment in some sort of way.  I had other things I was more interested than talking about the details on Prometheus.  Fabulous movie.

I eventually heard of the future release of Alien: Covenant as being the sequel to Prometheus and got excited over a sentence that described the plot of the film on a movie website.  I got pissed when the movie was delayed on its release.  Then, as the day drew nearer for the Alien: Covenant movie, I just couldn't resist not joining this forum to discuss the details.

I'm have attracted to the Alien franchise for the sci-fi and the fear all wrapped together with a menacing alien creature.  Sadly, A:C didn't deliver on the fear so much.

So, I guess I'm an example of a casual fan of the Alien franchise.  I'll watch the movies when I see them on TV, but I never really worry about figuring out what the alien is called (the Xenomorph) or what company is paying for the minerals or what have you.

Plus, I would have to say that it has been awhile since I saw any Alien movie before I saw Prometheus.  I wanted to see Prometheus because of the sci-fi, epicness that the trailer displayed.

Of course, now I'm a part of this forum and I really enjoy digging into the details of the franchise.  

The only thing I don't like about the Alien franchise right now is that I've seen all the movies so many times, yet I can't remember the first time I saw any of them because it was SOOOO long ago and I was a casual fan.  I can remember pieces of the movies where I got scared or really liked something, but I just can't remember for first, whole experience watching the movies.  I really wish I could have a whole first experience again on the original Alien.  That's not gonna happen, but I remember bits of my first time.  I was really little.  Still, I think I can put myself in a first timers shoes and just imagine what they're thinking.

So, a casual Alien fan, like me, could also not make the connections between Prometheus and the whole franchise.  That is, until the iconic Xeno-like alien appears at the end because of a facehugger-like alien.

After seeing it again after a while, I was a little underwhelmed with the creatures and liked the David arc more this time. Pacing and meaningful characters was an issue too. Not a bad movie though.  I hope for a good balance next time. 

"So it is no longer called Alien Awakening"

Regarding the Sequel...?

We cant be sure... it appears the idea was Alien Awakening, but then some contradictory comments  seem to hint Alien Awakening happens between Prometheus and Alien Covenant and others after Alien Covenant and a Alien Awakening fits more prior to Alien Covenant... it does not fit a sequel... not with how RS claimed the next one would be less Xenomorph.

But we really cant be sure what state the movie was in.. John Logan had apparently had a nearly ready to go Script as of last summer, but its been Limbo since.

"It’s interesting that in the early draft the black goo is called “xenovirus”

I would say this was purely to allow the reader to connect to the Xenomorph as its better than McGuffin Virus or Black Goo Virus.

sure there was a connection.... it appears John Logan was brought in to change the Story to bring the Xenomorph back into it as a result of the Black Goo and Prometheus mission rather than to confirm the Xenomorph Pre-existed.

Not sure i can contribute much today (drinking and meds again) so i may have to come back to some things including Michelle ;)

So i have to keep things to less Thought Provoking for now ;)

" David also kills Shaw as they arrive at Planet 4 which also gives the impression that David wasn’t thought of as the creator of the xenomorph from the beginning?"

Who knows... maybe he could have used her body for experiments, we really cant be 100% sure what the thought process had been...   The Source i had from February 2015 based off the Paglen/Green Draft from October 2014... seemed to hint that by showing David Re-Create Something.. would provide us clues to how Something was Created Before... and that Dr Shaw would be required to allow this Re-Creation to take place...  This is actually what we got in Alien Covenant, just slightly different and now its not a Re-Creation but a Actual Creation.

I think the moving of the Bombardment Scene actually was ideal as showing it in the beginning would have given too much away.

Regarding Michelle's post... i have to get back to this when i can muster some more brain cells ;)   I will add that the Crossing Draft did paint David in a quite basic fashion,  i felt it was not the more interesting way to explore things... because we now if we accept this, and what the Logans Movie Drafts seem to show (not read them really yet) is that the next movie would be something along the lines of David just churning out Xenomorphs with the Covenant Crew.... he arrives at Origae-6 with loads of Eggs and a Company Ship arrive and discover them and well Davids Xenomorph Army is unleashed...

This goes against RS when he said the next movie would be less Xenomorph and more AI... because Logans drafts appear to lead up to the opposite.

"I also loved that fact that no one can tell that it is legitamently apart of the Alien franchise until the very end."

I can understand this from the point of view to anyone who has never seen Alien or not really seen it much and those who never was aware Prometheus was supposed to be a Alien Movie prior to the Trailers.

Myself... if i had been in a Coma for years prior to Prometheus and then i never saw no trailers or anything, i simply woke from the Coma and then went to see Prometheus... i would have noticed it was a Alien connected movie quite early due to the Weyland company... but i would have been like... hang on whats going on here...   i would have been a bit confused until i saw the Engineer Bodys and would have made a connection to the Space Jockey, The Mural i would have noticed looked like a Xenomorph.. the Juggernaught i would have seen the connection.

But i agree some never did... and you raise a good point I Moon Girl because if every Alien connection was taken out... the Weyland Company and Weyland given a different name... The Mural looking nothing like a Xenomorph, the Engineer Suits looking nothing like the Space Jockey and Juggernaught looking nothing like the Derelict...  Then as a stand alone movie this would have been a THOUGHT PROVOKING movie like Space 2001, just slightly flawed.

Sadly those expecting connections to Alien felt left down and we ended up with a U-Turn to Spoon Feed the Xenomorph in Alien Covenant.

Was everyone here as disappointed in Covenant as I was?

So it is no longer called Alien Awakening?