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Give him a break he is obviously senile. ;)
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I remember this article from almost a year ago:
https://www.alien-covenant.com/news/engineers-did-not-create-humanity-or-xenomorph
I still think this information might me close to the truth. Those on paradise were not engineers, but another link within the chain, a chain now disrupted by David. After Alien Covenant people rapidly jumped to the conclusion that the Engineer storyline was ditched, and David was the ultimate creator of the creature, and ender of this civilisation.
With a space faring species like the engineers, who are possibly seeders of galaxies, the possibilities are kind of endless. We should remain open to the idea that Alien Covenant was never meant to be a full exposition and certainly wasn't meant to be an origin story.
Disney's takeover of Fox scares me a little to be honest.
If we take a look at their treatment of the Marvel and Star Wars franchises, things can turn out to be quite grim.
Alien movies should not be mass produced creature flicks. In my mind Alien movies should explore themes of the unknown, and be thoughtful in that process. The fact that Prometheus and Alien Covenant are criticized and ultimately underperformed in their cinematic runs, are not because of lack of potential, it is because of lack of execution. Both movies had terrific scripts with lots of intriguing details and several very real connections to the original Alien Mov. Alas a lot of those very specific details also ended up on the cutting room floor, in an attempt to make the movies more obscure or as the creators put it "open for interpretation".
One of the things the original Alien did so well is utilizing their characters. Although none of the characters had elaborate back stories when you got into the movies, they at least behaved like real human beings in a certain situation. You also learned more about them as the movie went on, and that is why Ripley for example has such lasting appeal. Prometheus and Alien Covenant both suffer greatly because the characters don't behave like normal real humans would ever behave. Sore examples are goons like Milburn and Fifield, who are the most unconvincing scientists ever put on screen. I think the only character in Prometheus that actually has a hint of the raw realness that made the original Alien work so well is the character of Janek.
Alien Covenant continued this trend of stupid people in space, and the real shame here is, that within the novelization these characters actually don't do stupid and inconsiderate things. a lot of the characterization and motivations have been altered or don't get context within the scope of the movie, and it suffers because of that.
With Disney franchises we have seen consistently bad characterisation in multiple of their franchises. Especially Star Wars the Last Jedi has now become an infamous movie because of the badly written script and totally forced Mary Sue type characters. I don't want the Alien franchise to suffer the same fate.
If Disney decides to can and shelf the franchise, Ridley Scott won't be able to work on it any longer. The man is 80 years old already. But is Ridley truly the man to continue this legacy? So far he has not been able to recreate the greatness that was the original Alien. He never lost his ability to create great visuals and compose visually stunning movies, but with all his hefty ideas, he has shown an increasing disconnect from understanding human motivations. The strange thing is that it only seems to plague his efforts within the "Alien" series so there must be some other factors within the production as well for this to be the endresult.
It is however interesting to ponder the possibilities of what a movie in the Alien universe would be like if it was made by a younger visionary director like Christopher Nolan or Denis Villeneuve.
Well no need to be sour towards red0guy, he already admitted that he might have exaggerated, and thus went too far. I'm sure we all respect your opinion although not necessarily agreeing with it.
There is a theory that the biomechanical Xenomorph's acid blood powers him up like a battery. It doesn't need any food or other sources of energy.
The neomorph does not have acid blood so it might need some nourishment to keep going.
Regarding the reproductive cycle, if we can answer the question of how the eggs are made all becomes clear. If xenomorphs are just bio weapons they don't really need to multiply themselves. But then, what was the meaning of egg morphing from Alien DC?
IMHO the queen is just some bogus concept of Cameron, good for AVP type sequels.
David told Oram:
"The pathogen took so many forms and was extremely mutable. Fiendishly inventive, in fact. The original liquid atomised to particles when exposed to the air. Ten years on, all that remains outside of the original virus are these gorgeous beasts. Patience is everything.
From the eggs came these parasites, shock troops of the genetic assault. Waiting for a host, entering the host, rewriting the DNA and ultimately producing, well, these enviable unions. My beautiful bestiary."
David does not say how we get those eggs containing the motes. Are they a by product of the pathogen on the local flora? And if the motes rewrite the host's DNA the result should not have been a mutant host instead of a neomorph?
Another question is how come we don't see any hammerpedes on planet 4? Why the pathogen killed all the "meat" there while on Prometheus mutated the worms?
Why the heck didn't Holloway get a backburster after ingesting the pathogen? Is it a condition for the host's mutation to swallow the pathogen in its liquid state?
The neomorph clearly did not have acid blood as the one shot in the Cathedral was lying in a pool of blood...
Why can't you look at David like at an interesting but evil human character. He is behaving like one. He is not the kind of AI we have seen in othe films, like Terminator or Ex Machina or Chappie or Transformers.
David could tell an interesting story with the xenomorph by his side.
I'm not even terribly certain it's dementia.Those who work with him are quick to point out how good his health and fitness are despite his age.Admittedly that's a little different but still.My grandfather has dementia and this isn't the same.My opinion is that as it's been for a while now Ridley has his own very specific point of view and certainly doesn't give a damn about what Fans consider an accurate time line.Screen writer John Logan should be taken into consideration as well.Interestingly he's not some one interviewed in that book.
Gavin You are correct. I have been thinking this for a couple years and danced around it in posts fearing getting flamed for communicating your sentiments. Thanks for saying it.
Leave on top and leave 'em wanting more.
It seems no one dare say what I know we are all thinking is the most likely answer.
Most weekday mornings I catch the bus, of which an old man catches almost every day. This senior citizen is 81 years of age, pleasant and harmless, but he has a habit of repeating himself - in the same week he will often tell me the same stories a dozen times or more.
Ridley is 80 years old, is currently turning out more films per year than any other director and recently had to deal with his life-long friend, collaborator, and brother Tony Scott's suicide.
We have all seen Scott's contradictory statements and non-sensical outbursts, including and not limited to his blatant disregard towards Neill Blomkamp's proposed Alien sequel.
The blatant truth of the matter is that Scott is old, and showing early signs of age-related dementia. As such I would rather he step down, retire and be remembered with reverence rather than carry on directing and heading further down the downward spiral he is already set upon.
Maybe we could look at it from a technological point of view. Maybe he meant the the technology on the Nostromo is so advanced and well thought out that it is still useful 100 years after A:C. To me (and my general knowledge of the Nostromo), I say this explanation could be plausible. I mean, we got a massive space ship hauling a refinery behind it. People got pretty pissed when Ripley exploded it (and the Alien) to Hell. I'm sure they wouldn't have been so pissed if it was low-tech (and not carrying many people's pensions). I mean, the Nostromo is refining minerials with either zero-gravity or artificial gravity and is most likely not heating while traveling through the most unsurvivable environment (except for one animal that I know of). The Nostromo might look low-tech, yet at the comment quoted which started this thread... it is a mining ship and is not on a scientific mission. There is no need for all of the bells and whistles and the nice-to-look-at features we see on the Covenant. The Nostromo knew what it was going to mine before it left Earth.
Plus, if we remember how big the Nostromo is and if we remember the construction process for the Covenant in the prequel book, I think we could assume that there aren't many mining ships out there. The Nostromo could be one of a dozen. Or maybe it is the first one paving the path for all later examples. Either way, the technology of the Nostromo could possibly be the same even if it was built 100 years after A:C.
Yet, in all honestly, I like to think that Ridley has got a lot of things going in his life and he has to much to remember it all, especially with Fox trying to push Ridley in different directions.
The big question is, when did that interview happen?
Plus, who knows who wrote that in the page that was taken and posted on this thread. It could've easily have been a typo by someone that is much better at making pretty looking pages to read then someone who worries about content. Then, any publishing company proof reading it obviously could've have missed that detail since they're probably not checking for right information as long as it makes sense grammatically.
It is sad when we catch mistakes, yet it happens. Sadly this one seems to do extra harm since Ridley does seem to change his mind (with no help from Fox either).
Well I guess we may, in part, be in violent agreement :-)
No need to respond, was said in good humor.
No one said those relationships were normal or healthy. At least I didn't. And you certainly didn't offend me in any way.
*double post, again...
That would be "keep on topic" or don't "hijack the thread". Which I am guilty of both in numerous cases.
I guess I am erroring on the side of kids, from my perspective, apologies to all I have offended. I wish all these 16 and 17 yo good luck with their relationships with mid-20 people who are at a completely different place in life. It will probably work itself out a lot like the movie portrays it (I am guessing it goes bad..). Like most of us, I don't want anyone (esp. young kids (</=18)) hurt or young adults in jail, and it seems uneeded to plant romanticized situations in widespread films that could result in this outcome. Moving on. Love Paxton. So we have that in common.
He also mentioned real life serial killers as inspiration
You're a piece of work, ignorant as all hell but you don't see me acting like a dick about it. Yeah, I guess I am an AC apologist but that doesn't make me wrong just cause you can't add or put two and two together or that your butthurt over a movie but, please, go on like you know it all because you got me bro. I swear, Alien fans are the worst, bunch of children.
Btw, just so you guys know, I noticed the text is getting cut off here, i've mentioned it to Chris and he will work to fix it.
Text seems to be double posting too, lol.
For me, 'keep it classy' means don't derail a topic.
I haven't seen the movie so I don't have an opinion on it, but it's by James Ivory of Merchant Ivory Productions,
who have been making somewhat controversial movies
about both male and female's first sexual awakening, first love, forbidden love, since the 80's
(A Room with a View, Howard's End,The Remains of the Day),
and it looks to be geared more towards a European audience as the author of the book the movie is based on is Italian.
(Side note, the age of consent is 17 in many states, not all but quite a few.)
*Edit: Broke the text up because the code is broken and chris needs to fix it, otherwise half the text gets cut off, lol!
Maybe he meant 100 years from today where mankind would likely be capable of mining planets?
@ati Yeah, an email would be appreciated. I work hard to do these interviews and obtain artwork, etc.
I would prefer a Yutani.blog affiliate member post my articles, I like to keep track of where I am mentioned. Thank you.
Thank you, Chris.
BigDave - I think things have changed. I mean the Disney control has become fully operational by now.
The term Classy, as a rule, is based on preconceived no-go zones for conversation, as to not offend. That of course was not my intent, but I live in a (supposed) nation of laws, not feelings and emotions. I was simply providing my unique legal based perspective shared by most that are domestic to my country.
I just think the writers were blind to the multinational audience when they launched this. One more year of age on the main character and it's no issue. Why invoke the drama? It was probably intentional, drama for drama's sake. And if the response to that is why should movie makers cater to one country or another, well it is either about making money or making a statement. And in this case, in the US at this time, it seems like an odd statement to make. That's all. YMMV. it is a shame we cannot discuss topics via telepresence, as a lot gets lost in translation.
Thank you for the super facehugger images, Dark Nebula. That is a huge one!
If I'm not mistaken it has 24 legs - 2X4+2X8. Probably it was made for the Space Jockey. :)
I am the only person who is responsible for the share.
I always include the source of the articles in the posts, this thread contains it as well.
Of course, you're right, I should have informed you about it.
Thank you.
Some have indeed speculated that David could end up being the Space Jockey, even going back to prior to Prometheus, i even pondered that Weyland would Evolve David and transfer his Soul to David and so Weyland in Davids Evolved Body becomes the Space Jockey (this was based of the Trailer of the Engineer standing over Dr Shaw were we could see this being was clearly not tall) it ended up indeed just being the Engineer though in that scene.
You certainly have picked up on a few missing elements to get to ALIEN.
*Engineer Ship
*Thousands of Eggs
*Mechanical Elements of the Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph
Can we RULE out David being the Space Jockey? i think its something we cant, and it would be a Huge Hubris for David in light of playing GOD.... but then this would also maybe imply David realizes the Error of his ways and attempts to Redeem himself? But falls victim to his own Creation.
I am thinking the idea you propose would be that the Bio-Mechanical Beast Birthed from David Lays the Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph Eggs on the Derelict?
I think for sure David would be able to Pilot the Ship, we was not sure what the need for the Pilot Chair was in Prometheus as it appears the Ship can Fly itself once a Destination is placed, but maybe the Pilot Chair is some Guidance/Targeting System, this would work if we assume the Juggernaught could get to Earth in a short time.
Then we see in AC David is in the Cargo Hold when the Bombardment Starts, so maybe the Pilot Seat is not a Targeting System, it could be needed for take off and landing? Who knows.
I think there is a good potential for the Bio-Mechanical Atheistic of the Xenomorph to come from Synthetic Material, HOWEVER David is not Organic at all..... not in Prometheus but we dont know how much they have tinkered with his design for Covenant because the Prometheus Marketing Site was replaced.
But we can see WALTER appears to have some kind of Organic Components.. to a degree, and the Fire and Stone Comics introduced us to ELDEN a Synthetic Construct..... part Synthetic, part Organic and he became infected with the BLACK GOO and so maybe Walter is a SYNTHETIC CONSTRUCT or one could come into play in the next movie and be how the Xenomorph gains its Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic.
I cant see Fassbender playing a One Armed Android, and Walter Models have some Advancements.. and i think the Covenant Ship would have Spare Parts.. I think a Logical Plot Device has to show David Build a Walter and Transfer his SOUL to it.. If this WALTER is a Synthetic Construct, then indeed it would leave David maybe open to be infected by his own Creation.
I can't reveal my twist ending, but it would be amazing. I might write a fanfic if I have the time.
If we take it as 100 years, then its a bit of a odd Comment.
"This Is not a grungy ship-this is a pioneer ship,on a scientific mission"
This must be regarding the Covenant and in regards to it NOT being Grungy like the Nostromo
".So by the time you get to the first Alien,you're maybe 100 years on from this,where they've now quite clearly become capable of actually digging and mining off the surface of planets."
This is the Odd Comment but we need to look at what COVENANT is about, its a Large Scale Colonization Mission, to Explore a Charted Earth like World (Origae-6) and to attempt to Colonize it.
The next part must mean that by the time of ALIEN Mankind/Company have expanded to actually go around Mining Worlds across the Galaxy, now the Prometheus Viral Site shows that Weyland Industries had actually already began Mining of worlds, many many years prior to even Prometheus. But this site has been taken down and replaced in what we can only assume is due to changing of some of the Background Information about the Company/Mankinds Ventures into Space and Technology at certain Time in the Time-Line.
So again i will have to assume its 10 years.... so RS is saying that by the time of Alien (year 2122) Mankinds Exploration of Space is not limited to the odd Scientific Expedition like Prometheus and Covenant but that we have not commissioned many Ships with more basic Purposes of merely Transporting Cargo and acting as a Tug for Deep Space Mining Operations.
So basically its like say how we had the Titanic and other Cruise Liners that are not as Basic a lay out as More Modern Fishing Boats, Cargo Ships and Tugs.
Thanks for the repost guys, but next time maybe ask my permission.
I would say its a TYPO i think we need to look at it Logically.
If we take this 100 years comment as Legit, then how does this work? The Marketing/Viral for Prometheus indicates this was the year 2093 December when the Prometheus arrived, and even in the movie we are also shown this Date... even as far as the END when Dr Shaw tells us the year is Jan 1st 2094, The Marketing for Alien Covenant and even in the movie we are shown its set 10 years after Prometheus.
So what ships are 100 years apart? Prometheus and Nostromo? Covenant and Nostromo? The Prometheus being the OLDEST but looking the Technologically more Advanced/Pristine, while the Nostromo looks far less Advanced (this is due to Special Effects limitations 40 years ago).
So we are left with what.... the Covenant being 100 years over the Nostromo? So what the Nostromo was commissioned in the year 2004? Or that the Nostromo is 100 years newer and so ALIEN is now set in the year 2204?
I think its more sense that what was meant was 10 years and not 100
Alien takes place nearly 18 years after Alien Covenant the Nostromo was refitted in the year 2116 so 11 years after the events of Alien Covenant, Dallas was given Command of the Nostromo in the year 2120 the rest of the crew join in the same year apart from ASH who is re-assigned in June 2121 as it arrives at Thedus
I would go even further when looking at the Sacrificial Goo being a Creation/Hybridization Tool
"sometimes to create, one must first Destroy"
David must have interpreted this from what he found out about the Engineers and LV-223, but if the Intention was to Create Xenomorph Type Organisms, then why the Sacrificial Scene? Why not Program the Goo with Xenomorph DNA and give that to the Sacrificial Engineer? Why not Sacrifice a Xenomorph/Deacon instead of a Engineer, unless this does not produce Organisms like the Xenomorph and they had to Evolve a World to have Engineer/Humanoid Life First and then use the Xenomorph Strain on us?
Thats a lot of Effort really, especially as we are shown Female Reproductive Organs can lead to Deacons, and eventually those Eggs, and also if a Xenomorph Queen can lay Eggs... it just makes little sense to spend Millions of years to get Humans, to then Sacrifice them to the Black Goo to mutate them into Xenomorph like Organisms.
If this was the Purpose, why did the Engineers interact with us, teach us stuff? if we assume without the Engineers we would just be like Cave Men, then surely dropping Black Goo in Cave Men would still give them the same Xenomorph like Results, indeed even earlier Pre-Man Primates.
Which brings us to the Star Maps dating back to 35'000 years ago, why leave a Map to a Outpost that has only ONE purpose which is Xenomorph related Parasitic Pathogen, why show us a Map to a Bio-Weapons Facility? Did the Engineers plan this place for the Creation of the Black Goo 35'000 years ago with the intention to one day use it on us?
But then why wait 35'000 years, why leave us Star Maps at different intervals? Did the Engineers Create and Experiment with the Black Goo 35'000 years ago, and if so HOW did they manage to Maintain/Control it for so long until 33'000 years latter?
Which brings me to Planet 4....
If those Engineers are aware of LV-223 and the Black Goo Pathogen, and more so if this has been the case for 35'000 years, WHY did they not react with Fear when seeing the Returning Juggernaught? WHY was there no Safeguards to Protect against the potential for a returning Ship?
*Maybe because when ships return to Planet 4 they NEVER contain the Bio-Weapon this is left on LV-223.
*Maybe because in their NAIVETY they could never comprehend any of their own Race every using the Weapon against them, or indeed Created Races ever being able to Travel the Stars?
*Maybe there are SAFEGUARDS the Docking Ship, and maybe something was released that caused the Engineers to appear to be Burnt in a attempt to Stop the Infection etc.
HOWEVER...
To me the City Plaza with the Hanger and the Buddah like Offering Statues Around it, all sound to me like this RACE take Pride in Self Sacrifice where a Chosen Sacrefice is seen as being Perfect Specimens to Seed their DNA to create Life on a New World.... These Engineers who are Chosen hold it as a Great Honor to be Chosen, they LIVE ON in the Life Created from their Sacrifice and maybe they get a Statue in their Honor Erected in the Plaza?
I therefore think the Juggernaughts are maybe a Evolution to the Tear Drop Ship in Prometheus, and instead of Dropping off a Engineer to Seed his DNA, they now instead Sacrifice the Engineers at some place so their DNA is collected into the Ampoules/Urns and these are dropped onto Worlds instead of the Sacrificial Scene.... were maybe more than ONE Engineer is Sacrificed so their DNA is dropped onto a World to offer more Genetic Diversity.
THIS^^^^ Fits more with the SPACE GARDENERS and would Explain why those Planet 4 Engineers Welcomed the Returning SEEDING Ship... its why Engineers left Star Maps to show us where WE came from because LV-223 is a Nursery/Green House where the Engineers Experiment/Evolve Life to a Satisfactory Level and then Plant them back to Worlds they Visit...
BUT something happened, something that involved what ever Origin was the Xenomorph DNA, the Engineers at least on LV-223 started to Worship the Parasitic Organism that was birthed from some Encounter/Creation and THEY saw this Organism as Potential and began to Experiment and Evolve it until they had Created the Mural Deacon, which they then Sacrificed to get the Black Goo.
These Engineers saw the Deacon DNA as more Perfect than Engineers and chose to EVOLVE Life on Earth (after being displeased with us) so that we would be UPGRADED to the Deacon DNA these Engineers saw as PERFECT..
"sometimes to create, one must first Destroy"
"While there are base similarities between the two, the Sacrificial Goo and the Black Goo are not the same substance."
Indeed Gavin
The entire reply by you is exactly what i was pointing out and concluded when i saw Prometheus, that then reading Alien Engineers helped to make better sense of and so my interpretations matched what i latter read in Alien Engineers. And so it was as i was saying the more they fiddle with the Goo/Ooze they seem to be taking something quite simple and making it more complex.
If we look at the MAIN Plot for Prometheus its not a Angry Alien Race of Engineers Creating Bio-Weapons... its about a Ancient Race of Humanoids who had adopted a Sacrificial Ritualistic way to SEED their DNA... Even after AC, we have RS again refer to the Engineers as GARDENERS
And so if we look at this being their Agenda, and the Sacrificial Goo as the Tool to do this, then we can see this is a Tool that is used to Spread the DNA/Genomes of any Organism to then imprint their DNA into the Genome of other Organisms.
so Sacrificial Goo ==> Broken Down DNA that reforms/becomes a Mutagen that then passes on the Organisms DNA that was Sacrificed DNA onto other Organisms it comes into contact with.
So if a Sacrificed Engineer DNA, via this Mutagen obtained from the Sacrificial Scene infects say a Primate then the result is a Primate/Engineer Hybrid... if we say this is 50/50 Hybrid, if we then infect this Hybrid with more of that Engineer DNA then it becomes a 75% Engineer 25% Primate Hybrid... but if this 50/50 Hybrid could mate with a Primate then it would be maybe what 75% Primate and 25% Engineer.
If we took this 50/50 Hybrid and introduced it to Sacrificial Goo, then the resulting Mutagen infects a WOLF then we would get a Hybrid thats 25% Engineer, 25% Primate and 50% WOLF
THIS ^^^ is how i saw the Sacrificial Goo, and its what i think Jon Spaights intentions was, which Alien Engineers appears to show us with the Nano Scarabs... This means the Sacrificial Varient is a Tool to not only Spread DNA but to Manipulate and create Hybrids and its a case of multiple interactions of different Hybridization Attempts that lead to Mankind, likewise we see it was many attempts by David to get those Eggs, those Eggs containing Traits obtained by many Organisms he experimented on.
This seems to be the Original Idea, and Simple one.... before changes here and there...
Thus if we look at it the way Spaights Scarabs work, then the Urns of Black Goo must contain the Broken Down DNA of something related to the Xenomorph/Deacon that was obtained by using the Sacrificial Goo on them.... HENCE IMO the Mural having a Sacrificial Pose (same pose the Engineer had taken in Alien Engineers) and HENCE the Sacrificial Bowl/Cup on the Altar before being changed to a Green Crystal.
I think the Revelations in the ADVENT do not necessary rule out the Tool being as above still.
Indeed ATI...
Those Two Images are interesting as one does look similar to the Ultramorph/Necronom 4 design, the other kind of has some elements of HR Gigers Original Concepts for ALIEN (Not the Big Chap)
@DK
Some interesting mutations, i am not really a fan of many of them though, what some of these show is not BIO-MECHANICAL as far as HR Giger Aesthetic, but more of Human Technology fused with the MORPHS in kind of like the BORG way of Controlling them... This could lead us to conclude could it have been for ALIEN 5 and that the Plot would have shown us a Company/Science Division trying to attach Technology to the Xenomorphs to Control them?
But then it could also be about the Covenant Sequel, if indeed its a lot about AI, as well we could see that again trying to attach Technology to the Xenomorphs to Control them, could be seen as a kind of AI
I can sense your frustration Thoughts_Dreams but i think like it or not David is a big part of the Plot, i think the only way to have him not be much of the Movie but the Plot still around him would be similar to how Dr Shaw was a big part of ALIEN COVENANTS Plot.. By that we see nothing of her, only her Body but we get the picture that she was the Big piece of the Puzzle that lead to those Xenomorphs.
So the only way this would kind of work with David would be a Movie set on Origae-6 or the Covenant, after David has attempted to do what ever he had planned, and fell victim to it. So for example a Human Ship arriving on Origae-6 to discover nothing but a few survivors held up in hiding from the Xenomorph Threat... Discovering the Body of David that gets Re-activated to give us some Narration to what happened. And then discovering Xenomorph Eggs...
Even if we have NO Human Survivors or some managed to get into Cryo-sleep, this kind of Plot above would have the habit of being too similar to a ALIENS meets Alien Covenant... and then to introduce the Engineers, we have to ask how do they interact with the Humans who maybe survived or had came to discover the aftermath of destruction on Origae-6
I will say the Longer Disney leave it the more likely a Plot like above will happen, because every few years that pass is less chance of RS playing a part in the movie Franchise, and also less of a chance of Fassbender pulling off a 35 year old looking Android.
The Problem with this kind of Plot, would be that the Prequels had changed direction to lead us to the events of ALIEN and so if they continue the route that David Created the Xenomorph, even if the Engineers Evolve this to get to ALIEN, then we need a Engineer or other Taller Race to end up with those Eggs on board a Engineer Spaceship that is heading towards the LV-223/426 System.
so the Plot will end with this so we get the Space Jockey, but then its a case of building Human Characters and then what happens to those who survive at the end of the next movie if we by-pass what ever RS plans could be.... and go for a aftermath movie.
If incoming Humans discover what happened to the Colonist/Eggs and David between Alien Covenant and when this WY Ship arrives, but then the Engineers return to interact... we have to ask how/why would any Humans Survive or the Next movie, after the Engineers return... unless they take the same side?
So its tricky really..
UNLESS we get the reveal that when the Engineers return, they are interested in Davids Xenomorph and see it as a Evolution of the ones they created Thousands of years prior.. if they make this clear that David DID-NOT create the Xenomorph then they would not need to even cover the events of the Derelict as we would then assume it is once again a Ancient Event,
@Charza and Thoughts_Dreams
I think you both raise good points, and indeed it appears these Prequels have put a Emphasis on David and AI a lot, they also dont utilize Characters much apart from them being merely to drive the Plot. The only real Characters being invested in was Dr Shaw/David and Weyland and then David/Walter in Alien Covenant, with maybe Daniels a tiny but but she felt more like a extra and not a lead in Alien Covenant and so her role was only as significant really as what? Vickers or Holloways.
I think now DISNEY own the rights, they may not appear in too much of a Rush to make another Alien movie and every year that passes by does effect the potential as far as Ridley Scotts role in the future Movies and also the Android David... by that i mean if Disney decide to not make any ALIEN movies for 10 years we can assume Ridley Scott would not be up for Directing/Producing the Movie and that Fassbender is going to find it hard to play a Android who is supposed to look 10-15 years younger than Fassbender will be in 10 years.
DISNEY would also want to make sure any future Franchise movies not only DO WELL at the Box Office but also Set Up the Potential to do further movies, that will continue to make good returns.
THIS MEANS.... Disney will be looking to Gauge the Reaction and Wants of the Fanbase, and while the Fanbase has different likes and dislikes since the Prequels... they would no doubt be looking at the Higher % of Fans, and if there are some Elements they feel have displeased the greater Fanbase Population than other elements, then Disney could look to CHANGE some things.
In General i appears a Majority of Fans feel the Prequels have made the Alien/Enigmatic tale of the Xenomorph thats very Alien, maybe somewhat Lovecraftian which includes the Derelict/Space Jockey, they now appear to be Less Alieny/Lovecraftian from the more Human looking Space Jockey Race to how they actually are Historically connected to Mankind way prior to the Xenomorph Origins to now giving us the route that its Mankinds own Creation the Android David behind the Xenomorph.
So if Disney feel elements like this have not done justice to Mystery/Enigma that was the Derelict, the Space Jockey and Xenomorph Origin and Purpose, then maybe they would change this?
@Thoughts_Dreams
It would be interesting to see what role everyone had in the Production of this movie as it has gone through a lot of work, from ideas Ridley Scott and Linedloff would have discussed for a sequel, to then brainstorming these with Paglen, to Green then re-working those ideas.. Right until the Direction that Harper and Logan had taken.
You can be sure RS would have a broad idea of what he wants and the writers then take this and expand it and go back to RS who will have his input on what to change/keep but we also have to remember that those at FOX also have a HUGE say in what goes in or out of the story. I dont think how the Characters are written can be RS fault, only fault is maybe as far as reading the drafts and agreeing with how they are laid out, but the back ground for the Characters, and Plot Elements they will be involved in you can be sure RS had a lot of input.
The Engineers differences could be interesting, because Ridley Scott claimed those Planet 4 (Alien Covenant) Engineers are the Originals. Does this mean all the Engineers in Prometheus are not the Originals? Maybe there is some oversight at play here to how they looked, and so maybe the Sacrificial Engineer and Planet 4 Engineers are intended to be the same... but maybe RS comments suggest the LV-223 Suited Engineers are not quite like the ORIGINALS
We will have to see how/if they ever explore the Engineers in future and see if we are shown their are differences.
