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Bland, boring and naive.
I think this sums up the problem for a franchise linked to the Alien. There is a subtext here.
In an Alien related movie you need a Xenomorph.
In an Alien related movie you need a Ripley.
Prometheus had neither and Shaw was a much more interesting and nuanced character than Ripley. her back story was more sophisticated than any other character in the Alien series. We had her family history, we had her relationship on screen and she had a very strong context the naive believer. the arc she goes through is far more nuanced and interesting than Ripley which can now be seen as a routine Hollywood trope. Compare Shaw to Vasquez the latter a great piece of entertainment and perfect for Aliens but none of the subtleties of Shaw. However I would be willing to bet those that love Vasquez find Shaw bland.
The real problem is that Noomi and Katherines performances were to subtle and thoughtful for an action horror movie.
Dark Nebula My LMOA reference was to the pic/Disney connection. I have no idea what that link means. It was funny, but I did not have the experience the guys in the video link had.
@IRaptus Thank you very much.
@dk If I may ask, was the LMAO something like this?
Looks familiar but I am not tracking who she is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPt5u0JSaaQ Initial system check is successful.
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Nice! Drinking Birds enroute. Time to pose the dol- action figures again!
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Apparently there is a drinking bird in Alien3 too (Andrews Office)!!!
Didn't look that old when he died but that's the web.
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Thanks dk. I Thought i was missing some detail to the post!!! lol.
The main reason for the chosen date is to coincide with Dallas' birthday date.
I think you said the Weyland TED talk was a day ahead or behind that as well?
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Feb 28th yep! I'll update
Even Alien Isolation had the bird.
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This is what happens if someone takes my center piece of cornbread or beer for that matter:
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A comedian once said that our world problems could be solved if we just choose not to be a dick. That is hard to argue except for taking my center piece of cornbread.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPt5u0JSaaQ
I noticed that too. I also thought it was interesting a guy said "it's here" at 3:25 as if they knew what they were looking for and the Nostromo evacuation alarm was sounding at the end as if a ship was perched on the site sort of like the egg silo was imagined early on.
As long as it is the "right or correct" opinion :)
dk Exactly. That's common sense.
LOL. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion even if it is wrong/counter to mine.
Ati That is fine with me. You are the only one who wants everybody to agree with you. You are just the ultimate Ridley Scott fanboy; nothing wrong with that, I guess. I would have probably been like you back in the 80's.
And it includes an original Giger xeno with white skull! Looks awesome!
'...belongs in the "Demonizing joylitt" or in "joylitt the almighty" forums.'
No joylitt, that comment belongs in the section 'Beyond joylitt'...
Svanya - You're welcome.
Can I enjoy the advantages of the category 'Missed Now and Then'? /Just kiddin'/
joylitt I think I will hold off and watch the movie fresh as many movie goers probably did- maybe with no or very few preconceived notions. It might be interesting to see if it can be enjoyed as a stand alone movie.
@Ati Thanks for pointing that thread out to me, i've moved it. Guys if you see posts here that are not about Alien movies please PM me. We miss some now and then.
Ati That last post does not belong in the Alien forum. It belongs in the "Demonizing joylitt" or in "joylitt the almighty" forums. ;-)
daliens - Thank you very much.
'We're all getting anxious here because the news about the future of the Alien franchise is uncertain.'
Comments and posts bashing Scott and Covenant made by posters like joylitt has caused the uncertain future of the Alien franchise we are facing now. That is the sad truth. :/
dk I have watched Blade Runner hundreds of times. However, as a personal choice I decided not to rewatch it before going to see BR2049. I always thought that making a sequel to the first movie was like making "Citizen Kane 2". However, Villeneuve's film is a pleasurable enough experience by itself.
Svanya - 'I simply put the Blade Runner post where it belonged...'
That's OK, thank you, I made that comment because the two topics created by red0guy, 'Blade Runner 2049 opens in China and Japan' http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/46923 and 'Might All the Money in the world flop because of the Spacey scandal?' http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/46972 were not put in the sections they belonged.
I would do agree with you that the thread 'Might All the Money in the world flop because of the Spacey scandal? is a fairly weak player in the Covenant section.
dk - I think it's a good idea to rewatch the first Blade Runner before enjoying Blade Runner 2049.
Svanya, "Sea Wall" was also my favorite. I play it loudly at home. :-) When that scene hit and the music came in, it shook the theater (I saw it in IMAX) and really brought the intensity to it!
@dk I think so, as long as you remember the main plot and characters you should be fine.
Sorry to veer OT but it has been a long time since seeing BR. Is 2049 a movie that can be watched having forgotten a lot of the original or should that DVD be dusted off and viewed again?
@Membrane I really liked the soundtrack as well, I thought it was original and did homage to Vangelis. This is coming from someone who begged her parents to buy her the original soundtrack and was disappointed when it was that shitty version from New American Orchestra. I was overjoyed when I could finally get the real soundtrack in '94.
'Sea Wall' is my fave track from the movie, at around 2 minutes in it breaks into the most beautiful homage to Vangelis's 'Main Title'.
red0guy and joylitt, I liked the soundtrack for "BR2049' and the length of the movie was not an issue for me at all. And I agree with dk that I think 'Prometheus' could have been longer. Just add in all those cut scenes to start... however, even with the cut scenes added, the character development still needed more help.
I can't wait (and my wife is really excited to as she did not go to the theater with me to see it) until I get the blu-ray next week.
Ati you can count on my support.
I know joylitt has come to terms with Alien Covenant and is a Ridley Scott fan. I think he tries to keep this forum alive by being the devil's advocate. I hope I'm not wrong.
We're all getting anxious here because the news about the future of the Alien franchise is uncertain.
Ridley Scott can say anything about BR2049, he has every right as a producer at least. He doesn't care much for the awards. Who the f*ck cares?
If RS said BR2049 is too f*cking long and too f*cking slow Villeneuve should take note. And he will do. Hope he will have a take at an alien movie one day. He's f*cking good.
@joylitt @Ati -Guys, could you please stop fighting with each other? It derails from the thread. You two need to get over whatever problems you have with one other, seriously this isn't the first time you've gotten into a fight in the comments section.
@Ati Nothing was "Thrown out" of Alien Covenant, I simply put the Blade Runner post where it belonged, in the Blade Runner 2049 section.
There even seems to be a subtle nod to Alien 3 with the FP POV albeit no fish eye lens.
That is the dark fantasy when you turn off the lights...
Leave me out of your comments...
Political correctness ;)
And what qualifies as light fantasy as opposed to dark fantasy?
Leave me out of your dispute...
I love the fact that Ridley Scott would like to make a Blade Runner 2049 sequel in spite of the fact that it was a box office failure and it cost him 80 million dollars. It is obvious that Scott wants to work with Villeneuve again. We are happy that Scott wants to make a new Blade Runner movie – probably a space movie as it is suggested (by more characters) at the end of Blade Runner 2049. It is a good piece of news that Scott stands by Blade Runner 2049 because it means that the Alien Universe is important for him as well and wants to create the ultimate Alien prequel.
Apparently, you don’t see that these things are related – it’s because of the fact that your hatred against the Covenant’s makers controls your thoughts. Your narrow-minded comments prove this.
Provocation belongs in your pack of misleading actions used in your comments. Your actual idea used to provoke me is that my post is unrelated – simply because you claim it. A topic about a movie produced by Ridley Scott is unrelated! A topic about Blade Runner 2049 and the Alien Universe is unrelated!! You read your own comments?
But, of course, you do not have such posts here! You do not have unrelated posts about totally unrelated sci-fi movies such as the incredibly poor Beyond Skyline!
daliens – Thank you for the support, we need it. It is a sad fact that several Alien fans left the Covenant page because of joylitt’s offensive posts and comments. They have disappeared…
dk - My pleasure, thank you.
This film offers the atmosphere of Alien, but the Aliens fans will like it as well.
Bigdave as long as he lives long enough...
dk - That's a natural thing, I think.
BigDave - We shouldn't forget that Scott gave us the brilliant dark fantasy Legend (1985).
Almost all Alien movies had happy ending:
1. Alien - Ripley survives
2. Aliens - Ripley+ Hicks + Newt + Bishop survive
3. Alien 3 - Ripley dies a saviour at the end, Newt and Hicks die in their sleep, Bishop ask to be euthanized, was the most least favorite movie and should have closed the series.
4. Alien Resurrection - Ripley clone survives, Call survives, and at least Ron Pearlman's character survives.
5 AVP the protagonist survives.
6 AVPR - don't know, never seen, never will
7. Prometheus - Shaw (the protagonist them, as Rapace is credited first not Fassbender) and David survive.
8. comix - don't as i didn't have any.
For me it is pretty clear that most of them have something of a happy ending, but what you think the Franchise should is up to you, but no one in their right mind would think that the way to earn more money from a film is to crank up nihilism.
As for Rapace, do you realize her last movie in Hollywood was in 2015 in Child 44 (and for 2 years she disappeared, and came back in that crap Rupture) and I don't think she will be back soon, unfortunately. You might say that she is too good an actress to play a certain role, but that I think is better than to play none. Oh, well, I hope Stockholm will arrive at my $hitty cinema later this year.
Yea if they did not force the Xenomorph we could have gotten a great movie of the actual process of creating the Xeno with maybe just a shot of the Xeno lurking in a dark doorway as a last shot like the Deacon at the end of Prometheus.
