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I like the "ant" comparision of Enderwiggin. But I think things will develop differently. For one thing: the baptism name of the movie itself speaks volumes. There is a strong suggestion of a tentative of "cathcing up". Thus I think that SJ´s will do everything to us but ignoring us.

@Snork You think this highly evolved human (blue guy) steals something from The Gods, then tries to escape, and the Gods unleash their biological weapon against him, which bursts through his chest, while he is in the chair/control seat...

could be?

I thought the way they solved this problem in the film called Sphere was innovative: the alien communicated through the computer. But that's not really going to work when we are on the alien's territory. You guys remember Close Encounters of the Third Kind? Again, using light and sound to communicate was far advanced of its time. I hope Prometheus can equal that level of innovation.

I´ve seen this blue guy as a highly evolved human, since I watched the trailer for the first time. But why would he steal something from The Space Jockeys/Gods...?

I don't know, maybe to pay for his cookie habit

I think he's one of 2 or even possibly 3 separate species/classes, all using bio-suits literally made out of the old Elder Gods; and that the communication theory might not be too far off. The Jockey class/the Titans are the last of these Elder gods from the myths. What if the blue guy represents the demi-gods(Krishna, Herakles etc.) from the mythology, only set in space? A cross between man and god, that the "gods" engineered. He can communicate with Shaw through some ancient language only she and David can understand. I think the Jockey class represents the Titans, like others do, but the original six Titans were called the Elder gods, and the chief deity Kronos has much to do with the creation of the cosmos. In some myths Prometheus also had a hand in creating man from clay. So, this class and by extension the Titans, are practically more Godly than the more anthropomorphic Olympian "gods" like Zeus, and are the first creators if you place the tales chronologically. Now these Olympian "gods" are the possible third class I mentioned. Being higher up the ladder than the demi-gods possibly. Alternatively, there could be two sizes, or types of the bald blue guys, plus the Jockey/Titan/Elder god class. In my theory the tall blue guy we see represents a demi-god , and the Jockey class is what remains of the Elder Gods. Now a slave race, and almost extinct (Ridley has hinted at the one in Alien being one of the last of its kind). The gods acquired the engineering tech when they overtook the Elder gods, on Earth/Gaia in the ancient past (Zeus castrating Kronos in myth), making them a subordinate class before humans Earth humans (those who would become demi-gods) came into the fray. I predict the blue guy sort of represents the demi-god Herakles. Much more than a butler, he's the one who frees Prometheus from being bound/punished eternally, and that could start the whole mess in the movie.

I think the blue guys could represent the demi-god class (Krishna, Herakles etc), a mixture of man and god, and could be a subordinate class in a way. The communication theory with them as an intermediary between humans and other classes could be not too far off. Maybe Shaw and David can understand something close to an ancient language. However, I think one of the blue guys will actually somewhat represent Herakles. The demi-god who is sort of on the side of the humans, and frees Prometheus from being eternally bound/punished. Starting the whole mess in the movie. The thing is the original Titans were called the Elder Gods and the chief deity Kronos was much more Godly than the Olympian gods who later overthrow the Elder Gods (Zeus castrating Kronos in myth). What could be the Jockey class/Titans/the remaining Elder Gods were later said to be involved in the creation of man, in Prometheus's case. The Jockey really could be a subordinate class now as well. If you look at the myths chronologically, the Elder Gods are the ones responsible for the creation of the cosmos and planets, but later fall from their position in the heavens. There could be multiple classes, and we're only seeing the most humanoid hybrid. All using the bio-suits literally made out of the bodies of the defeated Elder gods (Ridley has hinted the original Jockey came from an almost extinct civilization). In ancient times, near Gaia, the gods overthrew the Jockeys/Elder Gods and acquired their bio-engineering tech and/or the suits. After that point Earth humans and demi-gods were created. Or, there could even be some interbreeding involved with Neaderthal and Cro-Magnon man, like a popular theory that's recently emerged in anthropology based on the fact that we find traces of at least Neanderthal genetics in some groups' DNA.

Mala, That does semi fit into the Ancient Astronaut Theory that Ridley has supposedly gotten some of his inspiration from. A lot of the elder civ's had many parallels to be just coincidental. We need to go back and dig a bit deeper into the Pantheon of the Gods that the Sumerians worshipped. If you follow this path all the Gods and Titans before them usurped the throne from a previous God King. Dig into Zechariah Sitchin's Earth Chronicle Books these are based on Sumerian Translations that Sitchin did over the years. Regards, Rick

If we're reading into the Prometheus legend somewhat literally... Didn't the guy end up with a permanent hole in him? Hmmm...

So to get back on topic since we went off topic. I think there will be some sort of communication between us and them. Otherwise why leave 12 second beacon? Granted i think they'll ignore uss for the msot part like someone else stated then once we touch, move or do something that they don't like suddenly the spotlight shifts. Rick

Db, Yes the Liver is EVIL it must be punished ! LOL, Rick

@Snorkelbottom: I just realized your GIF picks up where mine ends. Cool.

A good thread

Since in the story line they created us it would make some sense that they are able to speak some form of Human language I believe.

RC8, We don't know exactly if they created us or not. Thats a bit of the mythos of the storyline. I don't see them speaking our language. Why would they need to pick up our language? I'm sure its possible but why? This is true if they perceive us as lesser beings than them. I think we would need to learn theirs. Along with superiority comes arrogance and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Regards, Rick

You have a good point Rick. Maybe they don't speak human at all. But my question to you is why wouldn't they know a form of human language? If in the story does involve us being generated by these beings (if it does) wouldn't it make some sense that they know our language in some fashion. Know our body language. From what we know from studio pictures is that they have some human form. They must of shared some secrets with us in the story line. It just wouldn't make any sense to me that they wouldn't know how we communicate. At the same time I see your point.

Ok this is some heavy stuff I've been tossing around because I'm obsessed with ancient cultures/writings and also the ideas about lost lands like Atlantis, Mu, Lemuria etc. Or even a lost global mother culture that retained their stone building techniques in the upper-middle Paleolithic. Possible spoilers ahead. The idea of interbreeding with Neanderthal man and cro-magnon man is one that's gained LOTS of traction in the archaeological/anthropological world. This would be a better sci-fi way to go than alien astronauts, and can tie into why they're so human. What I propose is a mixture of the disappearance of Atlantis tales and alien astronaut theory. So that these ancient humanoids were more advanced and possibly had help from "others" like many myths depict. Shaw could know this theory and it could play a major role in Prometheus, and the legends about giants. Really it has more potential archaeological evidence in the form of thousands of submerged megalithic complexes than the alien astronaut theory does, and would be the more scientific way to go. Some think the hybrids were used by the much smarter homo-sapiens as a slave race to transport and do megalithic stone work. Lost civilization of humans who went interstellar to avoid the demise of their culture on Earth could be a major reveal in the movie., This means our ancient languages/cultures could be derived from what they left us. When we find one of their temples in Africa it could kick start all of Prometheus, and be the need for someone like Shaw who might sort of understand this culture/ancient language. I honestly think they'll delve into the mythology a lot more than most are thinking. The Elder God cosmology and the overthrowing of one deity by another is a huge part of the Titan's aka Prometheus's back-story. And with Shaw, an Archaeologist, as our main character I think it's a safe bet she'll give us plenty of insights on their civilization. She could eventually realize that many of the myths we're talking about these guys, but start to question why they are so human themselves. Rather than gods actually creating us from scratch, maybe some interbreed ala the alien astronaut stuff, like fallen angels and the daughters of man, and left traces of past civilizations which ends up being the archaeological find that kick starts the movie. Even if Shaw devoutly follows the bible, believes in God etc. there are parts even in those writings that, when put in a certain context, can be interpreted as interplanetary beings actually coming down to earth. Half-way through Shaw realizes these human-like guys must have been the ones who built the temple(s) on Earth because of the ancient sumerian style language, megalithic construction & possibly methods of manufacture/materials. I really think that with all the background stuff, the Greek myths + allusions to other ancient cultures and alien astronaut theory forming the base; that they'll communicate mainly through ancient symbols/ and more rudimentary symbols/actions etc (the Jockey who drew the pyramid in the original script)., like anthropologists studying exotic tribes for the first time at the turn of the 19th century the humans may use symbols and gestures. Possibly a made up language roughly related to cuneiform. Modeled after how ancient Hebrew would be spoken. Most of the communication could be through anthropological analysis/interpretation done by Shaw. When she sees that giant head she should be extremely intrigued, there would be so many things to start looking at aside from the physical properties. Once those are analyzed, even briefly, a whole new questioning process could set in when if she sees the megalithic construction. She should be analyzing and interpreting the whole movie long because that's what archaeologists do. Especially if she is trying to figure out this race of gods who now seem more like a whole new civilization, and even do megalithic construction (archaeologist argue over method of manufacture, but still think humans built them). At first she'll probably be way off in her interpretations, maybe even translations (because David wouldn't quite know the variations in the language), but then she realizes some of the old legends had elements of truth to them. And can analyze everything in a new context. The legends just have to be interpreted the right way, and when new data presents itself within the film it can change the whole context when looking at ancient cultures, myths, and even translating languages. In short I think there are many reasons Shaw is a specialist in ancient cultures is accompanying the crew. They already suspect they'll find more stone architecture because of the original discovery on Earth. Possibly in some megalithic burial site or temple in Africa that was once used by some lost civilization. Shaw doesn't begin to unravel this until she sees the human-looking head and actually encounters the tall humanoids. Shaw could be our main window into deciphering what the Jockeys are trying to say and really up to. Once she realizes they're not really gods her archaeological training overtakes her disbelief and she'll give us our key explanations for what they really are. It may be unreliable to trust her archaeological interpretations at first because her belief in God is so strong. But, I really think her and David (because of a database of human languages) will be our main communicator with the others, and our window into their culture, whether or not their ancient earth humans, the tall, pale Atlanteans of legends, the Annunaki of alien astronaut theory etc.

Ok this is some heavy stuff I've been tossing around because I'm obsessed with ancient cultures/writings and also the ideas about lost lands like Atlantis, Mu, Lemuria etc. Or even a lost global mother culture that retained their stone building techniques in the upper-middle Paleolithic. Possible spoilers ahead. The idea of interbreeding with Neanderthal man and cro-magnon man is one that's gained LOTS of traction in the archaeological/anthropological world. This would be a better sci-fi way to go than alien astronauts, and can tie into why they're so human. What I propose is a mixture of the disappearance of Atlantis tales and alien astronaut theory. So that these ancient humanoids were more advanced and possibly had help from "others" like many myths depict. Shaw could know this interbreeding theory and it could play a major role in Prometheus, and the legends about giants. Really it has more potential archaeological evidence in the form of thousands of submerged megalithic complexes than the alien astronaut theory does, and would be the more scientific way to go. Some think the larger Neanderthal hybrids were used by the much smarter homo-sapiens and homo-sapien hybrids as a slave race to transport and carve stone and do megalithic stone work. A lost civilization of humans who went interstellar to avoid the demise of their culture on Earth (Flood tale, Atlantis sinking) could be a major reveal in the movie, This means our ancient languages/cultures could be derived from what they left us, the stone evidence. The only thing to survive the thousands of years. When we find one of their temples in Africa it could kick start all of Prometheus, and be the need for someone like Shaw who might sort of understand this culture/ancient language. I honestly think they'll delve into the mythology a lot more than most are thinking. The Elder God cosmology and the overthrowing of one deity by another is a huge part of the Titan's aka Prometheus's back-story. And with Shaw, an Archaeologist, as our main character I think it's a safe bet she'll give us plenty of insights on their civilization. She could eventually realize that many of the myths were talking about these guys, but start to question why they are so human themselves. Rather than gods actually creating us from scratch, maybe some interbreed ala the alien astronaut stuff, like fallen angels and the daughters of man, and left traces of past civilizations which ends up being the archaeological find that kick starts the movie. Even if Shaw devoutly follows the bible, believes in God etc. there are parts even in those writings that, when put in a certain context, can be interpreted as interplanetary beings actually coming down to earth. Half-way through Shaw realizes these human-like guys must have been the ones who built the temple(s) on Earth because of the ancient sumerian style language, megalithic construction & possibly methods of manufacture/materials. I really think that with all the background stuff, the Greek myths + allusions to other ancient cultures and alien astronaut theory forming the base; that they'll communicate mainly through ancient symbols/ and more rudimentary symbols/actions etc (the Jockey who drew the pyramid in the original script), like anthropologists studying exotic tribes for the first time at the turn of the 19th century, the humans may use symbols and gestures. Possibly a made up language roughly related to cuneiform. Modeled after how ancient Hebrew would be spoken. Most of the communication could be through anthropological analysis/interpretation done by Shaw. When she sees that giant head she should be extremely intrigued, there would be so many things to start looking at aside from the physical properties. Once those are analyzed, even briefly, a whole new questioning process could set in when if she sees the megalithic construction. She should be analyzing and interpreting the whole movie long because that's what archaeologists do. Especially if she is trying to figure out this race of gods who now seem more like a whole new civilization, and even do megalithic construction (archaeologist argue over method of manufacture, but still think humans built them). At first she'll probably be way off in her interpretations, maybe even translations (because David wouldn't quite know the variations in the language), but then she realizes some of the old legends had elements of truth to them. And can analyze everything in a new context. The legends just have to be interpreted the right way, and when new data presents itself within the film it can change the whole context when looking at ancient cultures, myths, and even translating languages. In short I think there are many reasons Shaw is a specialist in ancient cultures and is accompanying the crew. They already suspect they'll find more stone architecture because of the original discovery on Earth. Possibly in some megalithic burial site or temple in Africa that was once used by some lost civilization. Shaw doesn't begin to unravel this until she sees the human-looking head and actually encounters the tall humanoids. Shaw could be our main window into deciphering what the Jockeys are trying to say and really up to. Once she realizes they're not really gods her archaeological training overtakes her disbelief and she'll give us our key explanations for what they really are. It may be unreliable to trust her archaeological interpretations at first because her belief in God is so strong. But, I really think her and David (because of a database of human languages) will be our main communicators with the others, and our window into their culture, whether or not they're ancient earth humans, the tall pale Atlanteans of legends, the Annunaki of alien astronaut theory etc.

@ Jeffomorph, you had a earlier post of: "I think the ultimate creep factor would be if they beings completely ignored the crew for the most part. Then when somebody messes up or takes something they shouldn't, they finally turn their attention to the crew" LOL. It sounds just like the Borg in Star Trek. Not saying your wrong but it sounds just like them. Do you have Star Trek on the brain?

The Blade Runner comment makes me want to re-examine the whole android->human (Pinocchio) theme... Honestly I could completely buy that fan-make story. The guy who wrote it posts on here, and that story overall would've been stellar.

i read somewhere David the android gets some bio weapon in a cut in his finger and it turns him human. can't wait till iv seen the movie so i can stop making stuff up in my head

i think he was talking in a very general way ( no more only action+scare but action+spare+some thinking ) ...more decise and specific when he say that the sequel to prometheus cannot be Alien because it goes in a totally different direction ...that is more important to me .

@Frantz: When somebody mentions "kinda like BLADE RUNNER", they most probably mean Replicants, cybernetic organism, Incept Date, corporatism, etc.

Well in Bladerunner, from what I remember (been years since I last saw it) it explored the replicants, whether they had consciousness, souls, free will, whether they were alive etc. In my opinion this has never been explored in the Aliens franchise, they are usually machines to be either ignored or not trusted, because of their loyalty to the "company". Maybe Prometheus will flesh out the synthetics more (titter) and explore them in similar ways as in Bladerunner.

perhaps clutching at straws here , but bladerunner features engineered creations going back to meet their maker. "The god of biomechanics" :) (with questions of longevity..) agree though I think he's much more likely talking about the android turning human.

snorkelbottom i am disgusted at your admittance to not seeing blade runner in ages quote. Go stand at the back of the class and face the wall and for homework you have to watch bladerunner and the making of it over the weekend. Report back to prometheus headquarters first thing monday morning.

I would, but I have to admit I don't own it yet, been busy building up my collections. I will probably get it next time I order from amazon, going to be getting myself "The First Great Train Robbery" with Sean Connery and Donald Sutherland, a true classic IMO.

That reminds me i want to see the offence again i haven't seen that in years Sean connery and ian bannen on fine form.

You should try "The Man Who Would Be King" Sean Connery and Michael Caine are awesome in that!

i have that on dvd very good film

I like this idea that man goes looking for his maker looking for longer life but doesnt fit into the rest of what we think we know about the film

Bladerunner is not a movie about replicants ...is a movie about what is the life without an afterlife ( "and all this moments will be lost , in time , like tears in the rain " , what is the mean to have memories if everything is lost with death ? ) . The replicants are just the tools to lead you to that conclusion .

Thats a bit deep for you is that Frantz, I feel all depressed now...

That interview is the best evidence I've heard yet, supporting my belief that the ship in Prometheus is [i]not[/i] the derelict from "Alien." Thanks Engr101. Bladerunner does examine the issue of mortality, but is also about what defines a sentient being, the importance of memory in defining who we are as individuals and what is required to possess a soul...... the film clearly adopts the POV that even if Roy was once a souless killer, he definitely ends his life as a fully [i]human[/i] being.

Yeah have to disagree with you Frantz. I agree with artyoh, Bladerunner is a critique about what does it mean to be alive, or considered living. "Do androids dream of electric sheep?" in other words if replicants were capable of the same faculties as humans (love, hate, dreams, pain) then are they not just as human as the rest of us. There is a major twist in Bladerunner, some of you may recall. I'll give you a clue, something to do with unicorns. Don't worry that isn't enough to spoil it.

Deckard isn't a replicant. nya nya na na na.

WTF???

Centaurian_slug nailed it. Lindelof´s quote probably means that our trip to find and meet the SJ´s is the paralallel to the journey the replicants did towards Earth to find Tyrrel.

i think its more important to ask myself" what am i ?" and "what are we ?" than pondering if a washmachine can be sentient tomorrow ... of course is my take ... You are perfectly right about the original story' meaning ( the novel )... but i think that the movie go to a bit more deeper and raise more disturbing questions even thanks to the brillant ending that is very aided by the awasome invention of Rutger Hauer ( the phrase "and all this moments ..." ) Of course everyone will always see what he want ....