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yeah i ave sparky, u have a lot to find yet

Hello Snorkelbottom, Fossils can include the bones of an organism. If the suit is organic, then it can potentially fossilize. Yes, the pilot and derelict from Alien crash in Prometheus. The question here is how much time has elapsed. My presumption from visual clues is millennia. This of course would have to include time travel in the plot.

30 - 35 years, the suit looks like a skeleton because it is exoskeletal, check the thread did, there are suits behing noomi that look like the one in the chair

I suggested a while back that perhaps the urns were used for transporting face huggers as a mechanical urn could be more easily controlled than an organic egg, however something damages the urn, facehugger escapes impregnating the ships Jockey in the seat, the resulting chest burster was a queen and ended up laying all the eggs in the ship.. In the time lapse between Prometheus and Alien the queen crawls off to some shadowy part of the derelict and dies of either age or lack of food...just thinking that if something like this isn't the case....at the time of Prometheus there will be thousands of eggs already in the ship and if this is so surely David, Shaw etc would find them?!

Yes, they are the SJ suits behind Noomi and look like the one in the chair, but these suits are biological and can have the potential to fossilize, like any other biological creature.

@ firetothegods - a queen did not lay the eggs, they were already there - blue lasermist

yes, I knew that I did, but I am loving reading it all through again properly !!! Some of your eggs if I missed them already are quite clever. All I really pointed out was stuff I "dig"! {'60's slang meaning "hip" or "cool"} LOL.

@ crazy dave, how can a skeletal suit become fossilized, a skeleton, it already is. there is no fossilization. ridley changed it when he revealed it was a suit, showed us the suit and showed us the derelict crashing

Forgive me if a similar theory has been presented elsewhere but I think perhaps the derelict ship itself is grown in a test tube as is most of the equipment use on board. The life and death of the derelict: 1. The aliens design a ship by growing cells and manipulating DNA sequences. Maybe it starts off as a small egg and then is raised in a strange hatchery until it matures into a huge horseshoe shaped carcass of meat and bone's big enough for the creators to enter. 2. After maturation they add a more mechanical shell covering the inside and out to give it a more robust protection from adverse conditions . 3. This terrible bomber travels the stars while giving birth to it's own weapons cache of eggs until it crashes prematurely in it's mission. 4. The derelict dies and the mechanical parts start to fall off the decaying epidermal layer leaving the ship looking like a corpse of exposed tendons, ribs and mummified flesh.

Forgive me if a similar theory has been presented elsewhere but I think perhaps the derelict ship itself is grown in a test tube as is most of the equipment used on board. The life and death of the derelict: 1. The aliens design a ship by growing cells and manipulating DNA sequences. Maybe it starts off as a small egg and then is raised in a strange hatchery until it matures into a huge horseshoe shaped carcass of meat and bone's big enough for the creators to enter. 2. After maturation they add a more mechanical shell covering the inside and out to give it a more robust protection from adverse conditions . 3. This terrible bomber travels the stars while giving birth to it's own weapons cache of eggs until it crashes prematurely in it's mission. 4. The derelict dies and the mechanical parts start to fall off the decaying epidermal layer leaving the ship looking like a corpse of exposed tendons, ribs and mummified flesh. P.S The spacejockey suits would work the same way.

Riiiight, so what happened to thing that burst out of the SJ's ribs? Think your assuming a bit too much with the constant 'theres a blue laser' over them thing.... If they were already there.. As I say sure the Prometheus crew would find them on the ship. Plus when Kane, Lambert and Dallas are round the Jockey doesn't kane say, take a look at this 'hole in floor' where he's lowered through 'looks melted' couldn't that be from whatever makes an appearance out of the SJ?

nicely done. I like it.

@ firetothegods - it'll be an alien but not a queen, that was camerons idea not ridleys

I've always been a chicken before the egg man myself... As Ripley said....each one of these things come from an egg right? So something's gotta be laying these eggs... Guess we'll see in June?!

hudson said that, not ripley ridley never intended the queen, he intended egg morphing, thus no queen in prometheus, which i already explained before

No. In the special edition Ripley says it to Bishop and Hudson.... And Bishop says it must be something we haven't seen yet.....and Hudson starts talking about Queens, ants or bees whatever....

I conceed to your knowledge of aliens, directed by jim cameron not ridley scott whom has stated that prometheus will tie into alien, but non of the sequels. And ridley has always stated that he has viewed the derelict as a bomber, deploying eggs instead of bombs

Hi Snorkelbottom, Fossilization can happen with bones. The suit is boney, therefore grown or biological. Right? With time and the right conditions, there is a possibility that we are looking at a fossilized suit.

okay, with the exception of the colour of the suit, the suits behind noomi in the new recent pic look identical to the one in the big chair in Alien, yes. well if there was fossilization (which can't happen in 30-35 years, and there will be no time travel), the organic, biologoical element of the suit would have decomposed away. It fossilization had occurred then the suits wouldn't look identical would they. thus there is no fossilization. ridleys words... [i]That wasn’t a skeleton, that was a suit.[/i]

I personally think your wrong, I don't think the eggs were already there, I can't see how the crew could explore the ship and not bump into thousands of eggs, I think they are the result of whatever crap hits the fan in Prometheus, by SJ design or inconsequential accident, but we'll see in June right

Hi Snorkelbottom, I may have missed this, but how do we know there isn't time travel in Prometheus? There is disinformation out there and my understanding is the story is under tight lipped secrecy. If there is no time travel, then my theory is kaput. If the plot is unknown, then my observations are still plausible. Because the suits are barely illuminated behind Noomi, the color is unclear to make an acurate comparison with the SJ in Alien. Fossilization is expressed as the original size, proportion and shape, of trees, dinosaur bones, sea creatures, etc. that once lived.

I don't think the conditions are right for it to be fossilization. Doesn't fossilization require the subject to be immersed in sediment? Technical it would almost have to be natural mummification.

The term fossil describes a wide range of natural artifacts. Generally speaking, a fossil is any evidence of past plant or animal life that is preserved in the material of the Earth's crust. But when most people talk about fossils, they mean a specific subsection of this group -- fossils in which the shape of the animal or plant has been preserved, while the actual organic matter of its body is gone. These amazing remnants, which date to prehistoric times, were formed very slowly by dynamic geological processes. In most cases, the fossilization process began when a plant or animal died and was quickly covered with sediments, usually at the bottom of a body of water. The loose sediments protected the bodily remains from the elements, bacteria and other forces that cause weathering and decay. This slowed the decaying process down so that some of the remains (in most cases, only hard material like bone or shell) were preserved for thousands of years. During this time, sediment layers continued to collect above the bone. Eventually, these sediment layers became hard, solid rock. Sometime after this hard rock layer formed, water percolated down through the rock and washed the preserved remains away. Since the rock above was hard and rigid, it didn't fall down into the empty space where the remains used to be. This empty space formed a natural mold of the animal, perfectly preserving the shape of the original remains. In some cases, percolating water carried minerals into the mold. These minerals hardened to make a natural cast of the form, just as an artist might make a sculpture cast by filling a mold with plaster. All the original organic material disappeared, but nature left a precise mineral reproduction of the plant or animal remains. In cases where minerals did not fill the mold, paleontologists may fill it themselves, creating an artificial cast. This is just one scenario of fossil creation, of course -- there are all sorts of other ways nature might form a fossil. A lot of prehistoric insects, for example, have been fossilized in amber. This sort of fossilization occurred when the insect was enveloped in the liquid sap from a tree. Just like the sediments at the bottom of a body of water, the sap material protected the insect from decay and eventually hardened. Animal fossils are also found in tar pits, bogs, quicksand and volcanic ash. Another interesting fossil type is petrified wood. Petrified wood generally forms when trees fall into a river, where they become saturated and then buried in mud, ash, silt and other materials. Minerals, such as the silica in volcanic ash, seep into the tree and fill in tiny pores in wood's cells. This changes the overall composition of the wood, turning it into stone material, while preserving its original structure. The variety of minerals in petrified wood creates striking vivid colors. In addition to fossilized plant and animal bodily remains, paleontologists study fossilized animal footprints and trails, and even fossilized animal dung (called coprolite). These fossils are enlightening because they reveal something about how prehistoric animals moved and what they ate. The fossil record, the total collection of fossils in the world, is extraordinarily important to our understanding of the Earth's history. Fossils tell us which plants and animals existed in prehistoric times, and where they lived. They also tell us something about when they lived. Based on the position of fossils in the layers of the Earth's crust, paleontologists can determine which animals predate other animals and which animals lived at the same time. Using carbon dating, paleontologists can sometimes estimate the age of fossils. This provides the age of the rock layer where the fossil was found, which helps scientists date all the other material at that level. Without fossils, we would have a much more incomplete picture of Earth's early history.

Very interesting! If not fossilized, I feel the SJ could still be very old because of its appearance. There have been naturally well preserved humans found in the right ambient conditions that were ancient, however these conditions were very dry. The decayed, rusty and boney interior look much older than 35 years to me. If it really is roughly 35 years old, then the appearance could be the result of rapid decay, as reflected in the lifespan of the xeno. Perhaps the biomechanical technology is consistant throughout, including the large structures. The creatures in this universe "must revel in their time". I'll stick with SJ as being ancient with the time travel element in the story until proven otherwise.

Could Walter Sobchak have a face hugger for you by 3 O'Clock with green nail polish?

He got me a toe...I know'd he get me a facehugger by 3!

True! Question: Are the SJ's nihilists? And are xenos biomechanical marmots? I think we were asking the wrong questions all along!

I bet it all started with a carpet...that a chinaman pissed on and that carpet brought the room together man...it really did.

Unless the plot of Prometheus involves human involvement in "creating" the xenos, there's no reason to tie the stories directly together. Deliberate or accidental human "assistance" in the process [i]would[/i] be darkly ironic, but also [i]terribly[/i] predictable. On the other hand, if the xenos are [i]ancient[/i] SJ tech, then the reason for them being on the derelict becomes self-evident. We already know that SJs have been terraforming planets for millions of years, based upon the plot synopsis. I always liked the idea that the eggs on that derelict had been lying in wait for a million years. It dovetailed perfectly with the total isolation and insignificance of the crew and their cargo in "Alien." I also always liked the idea that the derelict was a "bomber" because of what it suggested about the SJs..........and that one came right out of the proverbial horse's mouth. Anyway, I really hope it [i]isn't[/i]: "Oh noes,[size=200] wE[/size] made teh xenos!!!1!:o

"Chinaman"? Is that the proper vernacular? Isn't it "Chinese American"? Maybe the SJ's roll on Shabbos, only to spite Sobchak Industries Corp.?

I wonder how many flea eggs are in that rug? And, was the rug in flight when some of them hatched? Good Lord- the implications. Epic.

I, for one, really hope that it[i] isn't[/i]: "Oh noes, [size=200]wE[/size] made teh xeNos!!!1!1 :o" It's just too Hollywood-predictable.

True artyoh, that would be a major disappointment. "Trite-clever" is overused, predictable and irritating as all get-up.

You just can't stomach any faith for Ridley being smarter than that I guess, huh Artyoh?

Ridley's gunna slap us with a reality check, send us into orbit with all our theories, come back to earth with brain cleansed, only to find that we simply must see it again! And again!! We'll be shocked by: Ridley's Believe it Or Not

Ridley me this, BATMAN!

Imagining that those eggs had been lying there in wait for a million years, dovetailed perfectly with the atmosphere of total isolation and puny insignificance, Scott created for the Nostromo and her crew in "Alien." I also always liked the idea that the derelict was a "bomber," because of what it suggested about the SJs. I just think the idea that the xenos are the result of some human screw-up and/or hubris, is kinda lame against the notion that they're the equivalent of pest-eradicating parasitic wasps for a race of extremely advanced gardener/terraformers. If the xenos aren't already some kind of bio-weapon, then [i]actual[/i] SJ weapons had better be pretty damned impressive by comparison.

You just can't stomach any faith for Ridley being smarter than that I guess, huh Artyoh? Of course I can. Why do you think I'm arguing against the idea, rather than promoting it?

Also, if you look carefully, when Kane takes a closer look at the alien egg, you can barely make out, "Brought to you by Burger King". Just keep looking. It's there. And yes Spartacus, it's consistant in character for Parker to fart after sipping his coffee. Beautiful fact sir, beautiful. Parker broke wind and Ridley broke box office records. Team work my friend, that's where it's at.

LMAO, & then there's this you guys... [quote] Imagining that those eggs had been lying there in wait for a million years, dovetailed perfectly with the atmosphere of total isolation and puny insignificance, Scott created for the Nostromo and her crew in "Alien." I also always liked the idea that the derelict was a "bomber," because of what it suggested about the SJs. I just think the idea that the xenos are the result of some human screw-up and/or hubris, is kinda lame against the notion that they're the equivalent of pest-eradicating parasitic wasps for a race of extremely advanced gardener/terraformers. If the xenos aren't already some kind of bio-weapon, then actual SJ weapons had better be pretty damned impressive by comparison.[/quote] I think I got Artyoh to take it to a whole other higher level, and raise his game big time!!! Awesome Post !