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the guy next to the spacejockey-seat (to the right) at 0:39 is probably the fassbenderfella who later becomes disformed and maybe even turns in to become the spacejockey - MAYBE that is. But it's not to farfetched I think.

......im expecting a thought provoking epic masterpiece....but something that is only connected to the alien franchise to the point of reference....u will recognize the chair and the ship and the planet....but that's it...no xeno's ..but some intrigue, a nice plot full of twists. action, drama, suspense and maybe some horror and some nice scares and a bit of blood and gore thrown in for good measure... I'll be happy then....will it be the greatest movie I have ever seen?.....i'm hoping!

@Theusprom - look again at the two pictures you posted - 1 with the star map and 2 with the Space Jockey seat. Now look at the figure in both, and look at the "curved pillars" that make up the set, the figures head is at the same height... it is one and the same person! As for being David, who knows, but I do get the vibe of his presence in the mysterious figures stance, if you know what I mean.

fassbender's a droid, how can a facehugger impregnate him? it requires a live host. and if a mutated droid/human's the space jockey...oh man. imagine the outrage from all the fans who have some regard for realism and originality.

Biomechanics... perhaps an infection of grey goo.

I just said a vibe, I could, and hope i am wrong. But ironically BM could be right - some form of biomechanics from whatever is in the urns - David is the only confirmed non-human, so whatever is infected everyone affects him differently. Yes, I know, Pinnochio, but wasn't that a running theme in Bladerunner... The more and more I try to piece together all of this, the more and more I begin to worry.

grey goo is nanomachines. again, i'm talking about the scene from alien where they discover the space jockey with a burst chest cavity. and do you remember what they said about the facehugger? it keeps its host alive by supply air, clearly it requires a living organism. therefore the space jockey cannot be a droid. if anything, it has to be at the very least, a human. but hopefully not, because that would cheapen the story and make it resemble something by m night shyamalan on a bad day. why do you people not seem to remember details from alien? the last time i saw it was like a decade ago.

It could be both biological and mechanical. Some of us already are a bit of that. Take that to the microscopic level little cellular robots building structures out of proteins and manipulating the chemicals and elements it has available to it or that it can acquire. It's not that far fetched.

I don't understand why is it a problem for a Jockey to be from humans? Alien is also part human. Remember: if Alien comes out of a dog - it resembles a dog more. Maybe the space jockey is the "alien" but from another more profound host... I see no trouble with that.

so you're saying the facehugger operates on both the organic and inorganic? then why go after humans? why not latch onto a piece of machinery?

It looked like it may have gone after the machinery on the derelict in some scenes but it did not have much available. Maybe that is why they kept a laser over it to keep the termites out of the ship. Maybe it can do more with biological life and faster. If your going to terraform a planet you might have to have some kind of intelligent microscopic builders. I think the technology can rearranging atom the string level even. Engineering space itself.

[quote]@Theusprom - look again at the two pictures you posted - 1 with the star map and 2 with the Space Jockey seat. Now look at the figure in both, and look at the "curved pillars" that make up the set, the figures head is at the same height... it is one and the same person! As for being David, who knows, but I do get the vibe of his presence in the mysterious figures stance, if you know what I mean.[/quote] Lol, I know it's the same person, it was done to show the scale of jockey to human. That figure on the right isn't human, far too tall. Have you seen the guy playing the Engineer? http://twitter.com/clownfeet77

I must say the figure gives me pause, but earlier in trailer are they scanning a skull or a helmet. Seeing the figure from distance, I don't detect the signature bio-mech features from the chair. So the xeno/weapon must be a construct of the figure or a pet aquired through its stellar journeys. I'm just thinking out load, but I still can't shake my concerns. Only time will tell...

i know what you're saying, but you're still not addressing the inconsistency i brought up. why did the space jockey in alien have a burst chest cavity? obviously it means an alien came out. and an alien can only be produced inside the tissue of a living organism, as was evident in the scene where they looked at scans of kane's body and the facehugger. therefore, the space jockey cannot be a robot. it must be a live thing.

1. The goo has not been confirmed to be anything but goo. In fact it looks as though it is whatever is in the goo that is of importance. 2. No-one is saying that the mystery figure is David, we are all just throwing every theory we can around in our excitement, to try and figure out what it is we are seeing. The likelyhood is small, but not improbable - If the jockey's could make life out of nothing then surely they could do the same from an android, making him no longer an android. Yes, that smells of pinochio, so I hope I'm wrong. 3. I think its safe to say that we all know our stuff regards the ins and outs of the Alien, otherwise we wouldn't be here now would we. 4. Why not join in the debates, and the theories. Needless sarcasm and hostility is just that... needless.

[quote]i know what you're saying, but you're still not addressing the inconsistency i brought up. why did the space jockey in alien have a burst chest cavity? obviously it means an alien came out. and an alien can only be produced inside the tissue of a living organism, as was evident in the scene where they looked at scans of kane's body and the facehugger. therefore, the space jockey cannot be a robot. it must be a live thing.[/quote] Yeah, in a suit.

what's your point, theusprom?

It's a movie.

A work of fiction.

Don't we all feel a little less human when we have to wear a suit?

Like a robot.

yeah, but a work of fiction can still be consistent.

Think of the space jockey as buffalo bill from the silence of the lambs. He grew his living suits the way he wanted them so he could be something he was not.

It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again lol

That is what that hose is for!

therefore the space jockey isn't the android. thanks for proving my point.

I think everyone is pretty much feeling worried about the central point of this movie - The Space Jockey - I for one am really hacked off that the SJ in Alien, the "fossilised" being they "think" they find in Alien is actually a suit?? Fuck that. What made that scene so cool was that the SJ was so bizzare and..well "alien" for that SJ to be a suit doesnt sit right with me. It is a skeleton, thats the way it was, and that the way it should be. For it to suddenly now after 30 years be a suit, not with punctured ribs, but with punctured ...."suit" sucks ass. Period!

My last comment was a tongue in cheek analogy to get you thinking.

A living being in a biomechanical suit, exoskeleton almost. What we thought was a creature in Alien was actually a suit, with a being we haven't seen before inside. [b]Quote[/b] [i][/i]- I was always amazed that no one asked who the hell the Space Jockey was. He wasn’t even called the Space Jockey. During the film they started to call it the Space Jockey. I don’t know who started that one off. I always thought it was amazing that no one ever asked who he was, and why was he there? What was all that about? I sat thinking about this for a while and thought, well, there’s a story! And the other four [films] missed it! So, here it is. And this one does actually raise all kinds of other questions, because if someone could, a being, could be as monstrously clever to create something like we experienced in the very first one – I always figured it’s a weapon, and I always figured that [the ship in the first Alien] was a carrier of weapons. Therefore, who is that, inside that suit? That wasn’t a skeleton, that was a suit. And if you open up the suit, what do you get inside it? And why were they going, where were they going? - Quote Mr.Scott That was the only point I was trying to make

if it was an analogy it was poorly thought out like the rest of your posts. no offense.

The "ribs" of the suit could be bio-mechanical - part biology, part mechanical. So whose to say that a facehugger could not use a biomechanical host, extrapolating the biological elements. Is the Alien itself not biomechanical?

an android isn't biomechanical, it's mechanical. you seem to have forgotten that important detail.

Yeah go that route I am sure that will get you far. EDIT: Referring to your style of debate.

An android is mechanical... unless whatever seems to affect everyone affects David by making him either biomechanical or purely biological, then it becomes a possibility. Not a possibility we might like, but a possibility none the less.

Yeah, lets forget about David the android, and wether or not an android can be impregnated. The Space Jockey should be a highly intelligent ORGANISM. Not some tall wimpy being in a bio-mechanical suit. I feel, unfortunately the "mysterious person IS the space Jockey, and he dons a bio suit. He is imregnated and the alien burst out of him, and tears through his bio-suit. This upsets me. I always wanted the SJ's to be like it is in Alien, really bizzare and off the map. I can't put my point across strongly enough that I am so dissapointed that the SJ in Alien is a ................suit.

Yeah I agree. I always liked this concept... [img]http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/314/7/7/space_jockey_ii_by_bloommer-d32jg3r.jpg[/img] And this... [img]http://dougbot.com/forum/pilotEggChamber.jpg[/img]

That figure's head kinda looks like the giant head that they discover in the ampule room... I think a great evil is at work, and the Space Jockeys may be like us. Explorers trying to find a new home. I think the Space Jockey will continue to be a mystery. Anyone remember the sci-fi b-movie "Supernova" by chance? There may be some borrowed elements here in regards to that giant figure!

So the facehugger becomes the true star of alien. A dormant bio-weapon that requires a host orgasm dna, but also has its own custom blend to create one nasty sob. Ashe's words take on a new meaning. Space jokey/Silver surfer grey alien = drone Engineer = something we wont see till next summer

you are talking about him right ? [img]http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3927/baldguy.jpg[/img] can be of course everything ...to me is the same "person" on a weelchair in the sequence with the woman falling on her knees ( and if he have 2 peoples around he must have something strange , maybe an old crew survivor ) ...i find improbable that there are two completely bald guys in the same movie

Thats the one, but look at him in relation to the SJ chair, he is too tall.