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And also, sorry for using a DNA banner, I couldn't upload an Alien one.

"That's it man, gave over man, Game over!" Private Bill Hudson, ALIENS (1986)

What about Alien isolation and the Aliens versus Predator games or Aliens Fireteam Elite?

I think the Eggs are still in the derelict

Lots of people downvoting this on impulse just because they liked the game, and not bothering to tell us why they disagree with you. I think you make some good points but also nitpick a lot. It seems to me from my personal experience of doing this myself, that you in some way subconciously wanted to find problems with this game going into it. For me that happens when a game is really hyped up and touted as a GotY/classic/etc.

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crap your a bot!

Also another thing why is everyone on the alien covenant bandwagon? It's not like its the first alien movie to show the xenomorph's entire body or did everyone forget Alien 3, Resurrection, and AVP?

what's there to the imagination with the xenomorph? We already know what its body looks like by now

I wish this was real.. granted I will be dead before the Prometheus launches on her maiden voyager but i wish I lived in the Alien universe

I wish we lived in the Early Alien Universe

Yeah, Elden is a more recent example from Dark Horse Comics. Why do marvel or rather Marvel fans always assume Marvel did it first? Marvel barely had control over the Alien/Predator Comics IP for 3 years while Dark Horse had the Alien/Predator Comics IP for 32 years. 

I mean it would stand to reason that Dark Horse would have thought of everything dealing with the xenomorphs and yautja way before Marvel would, not to mention Dark Horse's Alien and Predator made more sense than Marvel's nonsense storylines.

Elden as well, to a certain degree. 

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Elden

Crap I can't edit, I meant to say Marvel stealing Ideas from Dark Horse Comics again and Marvel taking the credit as being the first comic to do everything.

 Make that 26 years prior

Laugh out freaking loud, Marvel at it again plagiarizing themselves as being the first of everything which is a bold lie!

Dark Horse made a xenomorph-android hybrid 20 years prior to Marvel's take in the form of Eloise

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Eloise

I have a bad feeling that the focus of this TV series will shift the focus from the xenomorphs being the antagonist to being mostly human antagonists (more than likely a cookie cutter rich hypermasculine white male villain) with bare minimum of xenomorphs appearing on screen

Oh thanks

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Actual that's not capitalism, that's corporatism. There is a difference between the two, Capitalism favors competition and dislikes monopolies, Corporatism favors monopolies and dislikes competition. Just a little nitpick.

But yeah, I understand your point about existing lore. But Origin stories are fun though.

Yeah, Prometheus and Covenant both feel like massive wasted potential to me. I don't really have a problem with David creating the Xenomorphs, I have a problem with how that clashes with existing lore. I'm not an expert by any means, but wasn't there artwork of more traditional Xenomorphs in Prometheus where the black goo was being kept? Wouldn't that imply that xenomorphs (or at least very similar creatures) already existed prior to David "creating" them?

Honestly, I could be misremembering. The order of operations for David to have created them feels off. I think a lot of sci-fi properties feel like they have to keep establishing more and more lore, as if that should help their story feel more grounded and believable, when in reality it just leads to messy storytelling. Alien's believability stemmed from characters that felt real in a setting that felt like a natural future. The xenomorphs didn't need to be explained, the space jockey didn't need to be explained, Ash didn't need to be explained, and Weyland was fine to be a capitalist company that makes money by exploiting workers at any cost. As soon as you start dragging all of those things into higher-concept sci-fi, the cracks start to appear. It's obvious that the lore introduced in Prometheus and Covenant wasn't always a part of the story, just stuff they're adding on now because they think it's cool with little regard for how it reflects on the existing canon.

Dark Nebula

Yeah, If only Alan Dean Foster wrote the screenplay to Alien 3, the movie would have definitely been on Tier A

I like alien 3 for what it is. The runner alien was a nice addition to the lore. I'm not a fan of killing off Newt and Hicks at the very beginning. 
Alan Dean Foster wasn't a fan of it either, so while writing his novelization of Alien 3 he wanted to keep Newt alive, but have her trapped in her damaged capsule that can go off at any time, and Ripley would have to fight to remain alive in order to sustain her. He also wanted other things for his adaptation to differ from the film, such as giving each prisoner a backstory, but the film producers rejected all of his planned material and told him to stay close to the film script and wasn't allowed to alter the storyline.
If only the film was like this.

Killing Newt was a bummer. I should say I still enjoy the movie, just not as much as the others I put above it.

Xenotaris, I dont think david creating the necromorphs is peoples main problem with that movie. I don't mind that at all. David is the best part of that movie. I also like the neomorphs too honestly. The problem is the movie completely undercuts the ending of prometheus by killing off the inhabitants of the space jockey home world and therefore not answering any of the fun questions prometheus set up and also making david a weird genocidal maniac, which I felt messes up his arc from prometheus. the characters are also extremely generic and uninteresting other than david himself. I feel like prometheus got made fun of because of some valid reasons, and some very dumb reasons so ridley scott totally abandoned everything that made it interesting for Covenant and ended up taking away almost everything that made Prometheus interesting. 

Cutie Hugsploder

Its okay. Alien 3 had alot of things going for it, mostly atmosphere and a sick new Alien design. Unfortunately my only beef with Alien 3 is them killing off Newt and Hicks then later Ripley.

the puppet is practical but the composite isn't. I know its not cgi. I was using the term improperly. 

Cutie Hugsploder

But Puppetry IS a Practical Effect along with man-in-a-suit, animatronic, stop-motion and go motion. CGI means Computer Generated Imagery 

Cool Godzilla

Alien Covenant, I know a lot of people dislike Alien Covenant because Ridley Scott wanted David to be the creator but I think David merely made his own xenomorph offshoot basing them off of the Engineer's xenomorphs. 

I also liked the Neomorphs, now the human characters... I thought they were okay but I don't watch these movies for the humans.

side note. all the special features on DVD's were awesome and it seems like we have lost that on blu rays and that is a huge bummer.

Cool Godzilla Alien covenant. 

Dark Nebula yeah that is true. I remember watching a ton of behind the scenes stuff on the dvd box set of all the movies I had before I loaned it to an asshole friend. I like the suit but the bad composite does fuck it up. I just use "CGI" as a blanket term for any non practical effect. I should watch 3 again. definitely the one I have seen the least because I just dont remember enjoying it as much but maybe it deserves another chance since I havent seen it in 10 years.

Xenotaris What is the movie name that you put on A, the right one?

"the cgi is so ugly and takes away from the charm"

Fun fact: the runner alien was actually a rod puppet that was filmed in front of a blue background (for some shots it was a dude in a suit). The reason it looks so rough is because of the bad compositing, which is a shame because the puppeteering is pretty good.

https://youtu.be/jOPdNfOc3h0?t=71

Not sure if I agree but to each their own

at the end of the day I think its just really dull and the cgi is so ugly and takes away from the charm and why I love these movies so much. I do think ripley and the criminals and their dynamic is a lot better than the acting in AvP but at the end of the day I would rather watch the dumb but more entertaining (sometimes more entertaining because its bad) AvP movie. I still really like the set design and art direction of that movie and it keeps it higher than AVPR for that reason. they did somehow manage to make the characters in AVPR even MORE unlikeable than in the first movie lol.

done editing my choices

Cutie Hugsploder

How come Alien 3 is lower than AVP?

I also have a big soft spot for Resurrection. not a good movie, but so many great actors clearly having a great time and the alien newborn is one of my favorite designs. too bad it wasnt in a better movie. I really want to put Prometheus Higher because it had so many great ideas. if they released a cut of the movie with some of the deleted scenes included or someone made a fan edit I would definitely put it in B or maybe even A, but as it stands it just has a lot of issues that hold it back. I dont have much to say about predator 2 other than it is kind of just a fun time but isn't nearly as memorable or well made enough to go higher than B for me. Prey was suprisingly great but some of the dialogue, not fully polished CGI at times, and a couple scenerios I think felt forced keep it from being S tier. I think it was really close to being the best predator movie but unfortunately definitely falls a bit behind the original. I think the rest speak for themselves. 

I haven't seen Prey yet, so its position in my list will change once I have finally watch the movie

ah, I like Resurrection just a slight more than AVP 04. The only thing AVP 04 has over The Predator is that the Yautja are hunters and not evil scientists but teaching oomans how to build is still out of character for them.