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probably lost, this post was made during the early years of this website back when it was made to promote Prometheus

Uhhh Chris, where are the links and poster concepts?

I think some of the Foundations and Ideas in the Prequels where Interesting with Potential but they were Executed a bit Poor and the Character Depth was not that Strong.... but only the First 3 Movies had that.... i mean who Cared about the Alien Resurrection Characters?

The other Issue is that i dont think MANY of the Fanbase would want to see the Xenomorph relegated to a Lesser Role... The Ideas that RS had are simply to BIG and BOLD for a lot of the Fans who would prefer something more SIMPLE and POPCORN.

But this is what SELLS.... its what has done the MARVEL FRANCHISE well and i think this is what maybe we shall see with the ALIEN FRANCHISE.

I dont think we would get to see the Engineers again... maybe we will Discover like Abandoned Ships or Architecture of theirs but i dont think we will see a ALIVE version of them again.

I think that the A.I will play a Role... we will see Synthetics, both Robotic and Organic, and i think it will be Teased of a Great Threat they could Pose, i dont see this ASPECT ever going away.... but i dont think it will STEAL the Lime-Light like David did with the Prequels.

Regarding the TED TALK a lot of this was the SET UP for Weyland and his Ambition to Create Life and Immortal Life, it would have gone HAND in HAND that his Ambition would go as FAR as his own Quest for IMMORTALITY which lead to his Downfall on LV-223.   I think this Shadows the Engineers own Quest for IMMORTALITY too that lead to their Down Fall too.

His GOAL and ways that this could Potentially be Obtained in Reality would lead to a Situation of the RICH and Privileged to have such Reward while then we have the Problem of TOO MANY like Normal Humans living Longer... while also the ADVENT of more Advance A.I that becomes Self Aware would become a Massive Risk to Humanity.

Both of these Potentials coming even Regardless of EVER going to LV-223/426, but what we got was going to these Places in Search of the First Thing (Immortality) leads to the Chaos caused by the Second Thing (A.I)

These things seem to be something the TV Series will touch upon.... but who knows what the MOVIE will Focus on... i have Discussed this in the Thread about the Movie.

"What would you like to see in the franchise to keep it alive? Do you mean the monster itself? The role it has?"

Well it Depends on HOW and WHAT the Movie has for WHAT the Xenomorph is!

1) Some Engineered Organism by either David or the Engineers/Space Jockey or other Race.

2) Some Natural Organism that Exists in the Cosmos that the Engineers/Space Jockey had attempted to Re-Engineer and then David too.

3) Something that has a Viral Origin or where the Pathogen is shown to have come from and that its USE will always eventually lead to the Xenomorph.

From what we have seen so FAR in ALL the Movies which Includes the AVP ones, then i have to agree with Ridley Scotts Comment.... "there is only so much Chest Bursting and Snarling you can do"

We have a Organism that Procreates via the Stages we have seen and then it KILLS, which could be to PROCREATE its Species.....

But its then WHAT?  Do we Evolve it or Explore it to be able to Communicate? to Build Better Worlds and its own Bio-Ships? If this is done RIGHT then maybe it could work.... if its done Wrong we could have a Rubbish Merger of the BORG and the BUGS from Starship Troopers.

So i think that Ridley Scott was Correct in that you can ONLY do so much with the Xenomorph where you then have to look at WHO had Created them and WHY or for WHAT other kind of Purpose can you gain from them apart from having Deadly Killing Machines!

I think the Xenomorph has more of a Risk of being Over-saturated and Exposed.  And so while you can USE them, the Focus has to go towards WHO had Created them and WHY or WHY would someone want to Obtain them beyond using the Eggs to KILL OFF say a Target.

In HINDSIGHT the Prequels had Big Ideas that were too BOLD for the Fans and would have Lessened the Role of the Xenomorph.  The Xenomorph and LV-426 Origins including the Space Jockey should have remained a MYSTERY.

We should have gone to another World were there are Eggs... maybe this is WHAT the Movie would do... but again the Xenomorph can only be USED so much in the Capacity we have seen before it will get STALE... in my Opinion that is.

@Thoughts_Dreams

In regards to the A.I Element i think that RS was looking to touch upon it in a Number of Ways, which would also INCLUDE the Consequences of Artificially Creating Life, which is NOT just limited to Synthetic/Robotic. It seems that Noah Hawley's show will involve the Creation of Augmented Humanoids so much more closer to Replicants, who then we shall see that ONE of these will have the CONSCIOUSNESS/SOUL of ONE of the Female Lead Characters.

But in Regards to the MOVIE... we just dont have any INFORMATION.... The ONLY thing we can Guarantee is it will have the XENOMORPH and i think it will be something SIMILAR or the SAME as we have seen in the Franchise.  And that it does-not Connect to the Prequels or Ripley....  which maybe means that the Events are NOT like Directly Connected.... so that the Prequels or other Movies would NOT go and Directly Connect to the NEW MOVIE....

This Does-Not mean that it would IGNORE the Prequels... or the Franchise, its going to be Interesting as to IF/HOW it would Connect to the TV Series as this seems a BIG CONFLICT.

Here is a WAY we can look at the Potential.

1) If the Movie will NOT have the Prequels (or TV show) as Canon, then we have the Avenue to ask the Following.

*Will the Movie Cover a Visit to LV-426 and the Derelict prior to ALIEN?

*What remains of the Derelict after ALIENS and prior to ALIEN Resurrection?

*Was the Derelict the ONLY such Ship with that Cargo, was there others and WHERE are they?

*Where did the Space Jockey Obtain the Xenomorph?

2) If we have the Prequels as Canon then it Opens up the Following as well as the above!

*What becomes of the remaining Xenomorph Eggs on Planet 4 after the Events of Alien Covenant?

*What becomes of those Face Huggers that David has on the Covenant Ship and WHAT would have Proceeded where he goes Next?

*What other Horrors are on LV-223?

*What other Worlds has the Pathogen been USED ON and what has become of these?

*What is the Basis of the Pathogen and its Origin.

I do think the Emphasis would be on the Xenomorph and NOT the other kinds of Horrors in regards to the Black Goo and Engineers.

My Money would be on either....

A) We will Explore another Place/World were there are other Xenomorphs either in a Time-Line before ALIEN or after ALIENS..... which will Conflict Alien Resurrection well Potentially.

B) We will go back to LV-426 either prior to ALIEN or after ALIENS...

C) The Events will Connect to HOW/WHERE we get the Xenomorph in the TV Series and will be SET like after the TV Series Time-Line.

Or Maybe...

D) Some kind of NEW and Unconnected Alternative Story/Plot or a Reboot of Sorts.

Jonesy: I like the TED-talk, since it explains his motivations and shows that he's been interested in it for a long time. They should have had some of that in Prometheus, so it doesn't become something like he said. “Through out my life I’ve pondered why we are here” I think that is some of the lines by Weyland in Prometheus. By having something from the TED-talk you show a younger Weyland, which backs up what he says as an older person.

BD: “It seemed that RS Plan was to Explore more about A.I but in a way that gets us to look that A.I in his Opinion does-not mean ROBOTS as per say.  He saw the Replicants as A.I and i am sure he would have indicated the Engineers in Prometheus are A.I as in terms of Engineer versions of Replicants.... it would have been likely that David would have Created his OWN like META-HUMANS too…”

That seems to be too much like Raised By Wolves. As far as I can tell, the reviews of it haven't been that good. I've read about it, and it seems to be like with the prequels, good ideas but flawed execution. With Ridley involved, it seems like this would be the result… again.

“it would have been likely that David would have Created his OWN like META-HUMANS too…”

It would give too much importance to David, and we would get another Alien Covenant. It would be too much flag-waving to David… again. The type of humans that would have been created could be in it, but reduce the role of David so even if he created them he should be out of the movie after that. At least David shouldn't be the focus. Looking at Raised By Wolves, I fear that it would maybe have been mainly about Walter and David… again and we would have another disappointment. I'm afraid that this is what will happen to the TV-show too.

As far as bringing in the Xeno, that doesn't need to be the case to make it a good show. They can have new monsters and the Engineers, it depends on how it's executed. Well, a follow-up to Covenant seems very unlikely, but that is a good thing if you ask me. Some people would like to see a follow-up, but then the alien-fandom is a divided thing. I might disagree with a lot of prequel-ists, but I try to not act like I'm better than them. Maybe I went off-topic here?

You mention the Xenomorph, I think that they can have new monsters related to the Xeno but have some new things. I wouldn't mind it being Xeno-less, but have some cousins, or maybe further related... you get the idea.

My main worry is that it'll be too much about androids and that there will be weak human characters, which is what we got with the prequels. Perhaps it's for the best if Scott would stay away?

Xenotaris: It depends on how the character is written and executed and how the human characters are done. There got to be a balance, otherwise we'll get the same disappointment like we got with the prequels. Just because one of the main-characters is an android doesn't mean that it'll be bad, there are other things that matter too.

BD: I doesn't got to have the Xeno in it to be good. Focus on the story and human characters. They usually get the monsters and the look right, so I'm not worried about that. Hopefully we'll get some new monsters as a part of it.

As far as Ridley's involvement, that's where I'm worried that he will try to steer this into his android-verse. He already massed it up with the prequels and RBW. I hope that someone will tell him no, as far as affecting the story. Keep him with the art-department.

“Ridley Scott had intended the Prequels to be DIRECT CANON.…”

Fox and Scott messed it up, so I don't want them to be canon, but rather interesting failures. They can look back at them for interesting parts to have in future projects, but not be in the official alien time-line.

“ it looks like it does-not Directly Follow any Events of the Prequels or the Ripley Saga of Alien Movies.”

That's a good thing, there's time for something new. Just because they don't follow the prequels doesn't mean that they need to go back to what's 40 years old. Hopefully they'll add more things.

I wouldn't have liked Blompkamps thing or Giler and Hill’s stuff. They both ignored Alien 3, which I like. Maybe it would have been better than Alien 3, but I doubt it.

About the Alvarez-project, I hope that they take it as an opportunity to introduce new things. What they shouldn't do is to have lame human characters, an over-importance on androids, and keep it too familiar.

“My concerns is i dont think there is a LOT of Miles with the ALIEN Gimmick.... “

Have versions of it, but don't show them too much and let the focus be on other things. What would you like to see in the franchise to keep it alive? Do you mean the monster itself? The role it has?

i hope we will get something next year that would add more substances to this 2023 Ted talk

https://youtu.be/E4SSU29Arj0

Possibly only TIME will tell.

ORIGINALLY we had ALIEN and ALIENS then we began to see the Franchise Explored in other Media Forms.... where some of the Comics/Novels etc would Attempt to be Canon and Connect to ALIENS.  But with ALIEN 3 these would then Contradict the Movie Franchise and so are kind of like ALTERNATIVE STORIES.

Ridley Scott had intended the Prequels to be DIRECT CANON.... but they did-not go down with too Many and Contradicted what they Felt that ALIEN had shown and ALIENS to a Degree.

What we know about the TV Series is that it appears it would be CANON but i cant see how this CAN NOT just Conflict the Franchise.  (Xenomorphs on Earth like Nearly 25 Years before ALIEN!).

So i am NOT SURE as to HOW they are going to Explain that away..... if they INTEND the Events of the TV SERIES to Prequel the Movies and be Chronological Direct Canon.

Will the TV Series be as much Direct Canon to Alien as Aliens is? Who knows...

Regarding the MOVIE... we have NO INFORMATION at Present... only that Ridley Scott will be Involved and it looks like it does-not Directly Follow any Events of the Prequels or the Ripley Saga of Alien Movies.

The GALAXY is a BIG PLACE..... the ALIEN FRANCHISE as far as MOVIES has only Ventured within a 50LY Radius of Earth.... There could be other Xenomorphs out there beyond 500 LY, 1000 LY and if they SET IT say Between ALIEN 3 and ALIEN R then that leaves a LOT to Explore.... without Stepping on the TOES of the Franchise..... 

Which Puzzles me to WHY the TV Series will be SET on Earth between 2095-2100, it shows a Lack of Imagination and No Consideration for Canon.

But saying that.... Blomkamps Alien V would have brought back Ripley as a Sequel to ALIENS... where ALIEN 3 would NOT Exist......and even the Hill and Giler version of ALIEN V would have brought Ripley back... where ONE or MORE of the Movies would have been..... NIGHTMARES...

So it will be Interesting to see what the Fede Alvarez Idea is and if there is any Originality to it....... it does appear it would NOT be Connecting to Ripley tough which is Good News.

My concerns is i dont think there is a LOT of Miles with the ALIEN Gimmick.... you have to be Very Clever and Original otherwise you RUN the Risk of it getting STALE...  I FEAR that should the TV Series and Movie become a FLOP or Poor.... then its HOW can you Rescue the Franchise then?

so Alien might get the Godzilla treatment

It will be Interesting to see the TIME-LINE of this Movie and IF it is Connected to the Upcoming TV Series. Not a LOT is known at Present but its LIKELY to Feature the Xenomorph more than in the Prequels.

We can ONLY go and Guess as to the Direction of this Movie but it seems Ridley Scott will be Connected with it and so WHO KNOWS what this will Bring. Will it be Connected to the Prequels or the Original Movies or the TV Series we just cant be SURE...

Perhaps the ONLY real Connecting Tissue will be the Xenomorph itself.

I am Concerned that UNDER the Ownership of DISNEY what we will get is like a Multi-verse... so that Each Part of the Franchise will be its OWN take on the Xenomorph and so its HISTORY will be Different with each Incarnation.

So it would be like the Christopher Nolan Batman movies vs the Tim Burton ones, where the ONLY like Connection is the Character.... Mainly Batman.

"so we'll get another android screw-up"

As Xenotaris has said... i think Thoughts_Dreams that the TV Series will Focus on Elements that we saw in Blade Runner.  It seemed that RS Plan was to Explore more about A.I but in a way that gets us to look that A.I in his Opinion does-not mean ROBOTS as per say.  He saw the Replicants as A.I and i am sure he would have indicated the Engineers in Prometheus are A.I as in terms of Engineer versions of Replicants.... it would have been likely that David would have Created his OWN like META-HUMANS too...

Noahs TV Series seems to be looking at Similar, as in Artificially Engineered Humanoids, but it will also BRING IN the Xenomorph which will then get a LOT of Focus... we can only WAIT and see what it brings.

I know its been a LONG WAIT with NOT a LOT for us to SINK our Teeth into in Regards to the Franchise, Especially with any MOVIE or TV SERIES. This is due to a Number of Factors which include the Disappointment of Alien Covenant both Box Office but also Critically, the Disney Take Over and COVID.

We did have in the works a TV Series and a Movie but all had been Quite on the Later. It seems that Production/Filming on both Projects will take place Next Year which means that 2024 could see the Release of the TV Series and Movie for us to SINK our Teeth into..... its a Question of are these going to CONNECT to each other?

In the Meantime we do have things related to ALIEN that we can Watch, Read and Play not Forgetting the Role Playing Board Game etc.

Prepare to be disappointed with this TV show, the main character might be a Cyborg: a Human-Synthetic(Android) hybrid 

I like that it'll be new characters in the TV-show by Noah Hawley. As long as they are well-written I'm all for it. Hopefully it will be worth the wait, it's good that they don't rush it.

As far as Ridley goes as producer, I hope that he won't be able to affect the story, so we'll get another android screw-up. Hopefully he'll have a hand in it looking good. 

“Ridley Scott may never finish his prequel-story, but Prometheus and Alien: Covenant are both moments of brilliant inspiration.”

Brilliant? That's to exaggerate, I think. There are both good and bad things in them. Considering the good and really bad, I got to give them both a 2 out of 5. Honestly, there are things that can be taken from there, like the Engineers and the black goo. Unfortunately, there is too much bad there, so maybe it's for the best to leave them for dead.

I really hope that they will dress her up in similar way to Devs, meaning androginous to piss-off the anti-SJW crowd.

Please get the human characters right, and no focus on androids. As long as they do this, I guess that it’ll be alright. To give us something about the Engineers in some way would be nice.

I hope its good and has zero connections to the marvel storyline

I appreciate the information and advice you have shared.
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"I spoke to David, there's an emotional tensity to him that I don't understand." "He's been gone without maintenance for ten years." He then goes on and says that he doesn't know what it does to a synthetic, but he'll find that out. Walter finds David disturbing.

Maybe I missed something or misheard, but that's the best that I can do.

interesting information

I find it really interesting, thank you

That's really awesome, thank you for sharing!

 Agreed that Aliens is vastly inferior to Alien and made the resulting franchise much less interesting than it could have been and reduces the Xenomorphs to mere, if marvelous, animals.

Its look that oldest write of Engineers on sacryfical cup can be oldest, in the temple is newest write and on ampules with goo write is different that's Engineers and looks like other species. Maybe ampules with goo was steal from other aliens, Engineers can not use this with safe atentions and it kill them, or was lost trap for them like this room with ampules, when open door atmosphere was changed and ampules with goo will get ready to attack with goo.

well we need to finish David's story arc somehow also the introduction of a new (or at the very least a movie canon version of an expanded universe caste) xenomorph caste 

Did ampules with goo had strange writes other from Engineers summerian writes. This ampules can be from other aliens from there

Predators writes 

I hope not, it's too much about David already.

Maybe David will turn into a Xenomorph King

you saw in alien ressurection hybrids of Ripley and numbers Ripley 1-7 and one of these hybrids was similar to Neomorph from the Covenant this creature with teeth. they were in the room and Riplej later burns them. this is similar to the Babylonian epic Enuma Elish where the Anunaki gods try to create man 7 times and they are born imperfect humans. the goddesses of the womb were after 7 as here.

from the very beginning, when I first saw the Covenant, when David spews out the embryos of the facial hugs, I thought David was their father, he gave birth to them in his biomechanical body. and now these facehuggers may give birth to a biomechanical version of the xenomorph.

Cool Images! But Scary at the same time.

Final image...I've spent too much money already! lol

AI is coming and it's going to get really interesting!

Looks cool.

AI loves Giger