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trokanmariel Daniels cannot be back. She knows too much. Now everything depends whether we are going to see David back or David pretending to be Walter. I think we got enough of the latter in Covenant, so it will be just David in the open.  That means Tennessee will be gone as well.

trokanmariel You could be right although it would be jarring to start Awakening with little or no follow up to the end of AC. Maybe more short videos/teasers will be released prior to Awakening, but I think that approach is sort of weak. It is almost like saying "We couldn't shoe horn this into the time limitations of the theatrical release, so we will show these shorts to build hype." I think Cupanator3000 was correct that as long as it is enjoyable then all is good.

Lawrence of Arabia It seems we have found a middle ground. Let's raise our glasses to that lol. I have no doubt David will continue to try to develop what he perceives as "the perfect organism". However, I think it would be interesting if that meant one thing for the Engineers, and another for humans. Regarding the Engineers' culture, what if instead of leaving it shrouded in mystery you show it but making it so weird that is hard to comprehend...

I'm reading it at the moment - But it seems weird knowing all but two will die. Up to chapter 6, and makes for a very interesting read though.

joylitt  I agree that Awakening needs to move away from David, because the theme he presents has been covered. The literal theme is that David wants to destroy the universe, which of course shouldn't be referenced in the script. However, if David is censored, does this make it wrong to bring back Tennessee and Daniels? The duo are linked to David, and so it be strange to focus on Daniels and Tennessee but not David. Something tells me the film will repeat Alien Covenant; Alien Covenant ignored Shaw and David, and so maybe Awakening will ignore the immediate aftermath of Alien Covenant

joylitt

"So they have to shake things up storywise, and delve deeper into the Engineer/Alien mythology."

I agree, which is why they are back on the board with Awakening. Though I would still like some of their culture to be left shrouded in mystery. I believe the 3 to 4 parties involved will be David, humans, Engineers, and the aliens themselves. We still need to see David's journey in perfecting the perfect organism to bring things full circle.

BigDave The focus need to change. Covenant made its point about the dangers of sentient A.I. You cannot do that all over again. Whatever David does next if he continues on the same path will be predictable. A movie about that would make half as much money as Covenant did (if lucky). So they have to shake things up storywise, and delve deeper into the Engineer/Alien mythology. It's good to have several parties involved, and you can even make one of this parties something completely unpredictable, even poignant. The only thing that probably you cannot do is bring back the elephantine SJ, everything else is up in the air now.

Post-Alien Covenant, it seems that the logical options are as follows..

1. Awakening doesn't bring back Daniels and Tennessee, but carries on with David's war with the Engineers

2. Awakening brings back Daniels and Tennessee, and also carries on with David's war with the Engineers

3. Daniels and Tennessee don't come back, and David's war with the Engineers is just the backdrop

4. Daniels and Tennesse don't come back, and David's war with the Engineers is the main plot.

Assuming Daniels and Tennesse come back, this would force the Engineers to be part of the main plot

I also somewhat understand the indifference to a more AI centric storyline but something different for a change isn't a bad thing, it's not like the synthetics have never had a major role before in the saga and this only expands the mythos. Did we really wanna see another Ripley-esque female lead again so soon? It would just be more of the same and the franchise would stagnate imo

 BigDave

What I believe FOX sees as a disappointment is how conservative the fanbase is. They don't like change, reestablished lore, and not seeing the big picture all at once. What I've taken away from the fanbase is they didn't like the mystery being expanded on, they were upset with the lack of Engineers and Shaw (which I don't understand because what answers did you want to be answered? Why did they want to destroy us? Also the Engineers weren't wiped off the board as their presence was still felt in A:C and Shaw's death was expected if you understood Prometheus), and the focus on David being the creator of the Xenomorphs instead of it being some space animal (which I don't understand since the Alien is biomechanic and was always intended to be a bioweapon). I find it funny how most of the fanboys cried for the Xenos in Prometheus but then Ridley compromises, gives it to them, and now they are out for his head because of a lack of understanding. The creature is still an Engineer product or at least the ancestors were until David got a hold of their work and improved it into the Big Chap. What the fanbase wants is too out there, how do you make a movie about foreign space aliens with no relations you can't understand and grab the audience? It's just not as compelling as the mythology we have being setup because it lacks a connection that these prequels do. Yeah, the universe is shrinking but in the context of the Alien universe (throughout the entirety of the saga humanity has not found any sentient life) and as a story Prometheus/Covenant are just more clever and sensible. I believe Ridley is still keen on this arc because he only makes films he's interested in and it's too late now to change what he's already set in motion without destroying the narrative. Ridley should stick to his guns and tell the story he wants to tell or else it's gonna feel like a cop-out.

@cuponator3000

Indeed there was at least 8 drafts for Prometheus 2 apparently and the October 2014 One was considered Final and Ready to Go

But RS was busy....  and then we got Blomkamp's Alien 5 idea etc that seemed to get all the Fanboys Excited.... 

And i think FOX then felt actually they do need to focus on the Xenomorph and bring it back and have the next few movies directly lead to the Derelict.

So a lot appears to be Changed... but they Keep Davids Agenda as Creator and potentially have changed a Attempted Re-Creation/Perfection to then David Creating instead.  Which Bummed out many a Fanboy

@Roger55

Have you any links to information on some of the drafts/ideas? And are they Fan Made or actually what FOX are planning.

It would have been interesting to see what the Paglen/Green drafts were touching upon... only so i can see if the Source i had was Legit or Porkies....   i have not heard no more information apart from 3 months ago they just said there was a Change of Plan, but they could bring back the ideas regarding the Engineers Role and Mankinds in the Grand Scheme of things and that its quite a surprising twist and sinister one that they will not give no details....

I think they dont know any direction that will be taken, but they had a idea (unless they are a BS source) of where they was going before they changed Prometheus 2 to Alien Covenant and so it appears some of the things they was touching on in Prometheus: Pandemonium could be explored in future movies...

It would been interesting to see a leaked Green/Paglen Draft to see if it added up with the  Source or if the Source is thus BS!  But a lot of things did add up though... i was looking to see how they claim the Engineers are just as David is... and that Mankind plays the bigger role in the Xenomorph etc...

after AC all seemed to be a bit different...

But this Wayne Haagg concept certainly seems to connect to what the Source hinted at....

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I just want something that I will enjoy! I am not totally sure what that is. I just hope that they have decided to stop waffling. Once Prometheus was released, it seems that the studio has gone whatever direction the complaints blow, but they didn't necessarily look at all the critical takes or reasons behind them. They, like, took the simplest version of what they saw/heard online and then went with it. 

Now, I just want the studio to take a SLIGHT step back and try to let Ridley's vision be the driving force behind the creation of this movie. I mean he was for Covenant, but not from the beginning. You know, he had Prometheus 2 basically worked out in his mind (and probably a few drafts of screenplays from a writer), but then everything was reworked. He still seems proud of the film they made, so hey.

1) They have written themselves into a corner with this one, with the Ending they chose where Daniels knows about David, i think Daniels will ultimately be used by David, hopefully we get some screen time to Davids Horrific Agenda with her, than what we got with Dr Shaw in Alien Covenant.... i also think for Davids Agenda that Sadly Tennessee has to be killed too.

We need to think of it from Davids POV, unless he intends to set up the Covenant Ship as a Lab and experiment and create a Xeno Egg Hive on just that Ship?

If he intends to arrive at Origae-6 and it has no colonists etc, and he intends to allow the Covenant crew to set up a Colony to a certain size...   then Daniels and Tennessee are going to be a problem and David would be better off Killing them and then covering up the whole events of Alien Covenant and explain the loss of Crew due to the Solar Neutrino Accident..

2) Totally Agree... they need to make TWO movies, so the next can continue with David and then End his Part there... if they wish to get from AC-Alien in One Movie and down play David then this means he would have to not have no more than Half the Movie about his agenda etc.

its a interesting twist with David and the Xenomorph where he could Evolve it more to the 1979 one, or its Engineers interaction or evolution of Davids experiments that gives us the 1979 Xenomorph...

But then they could U-Turn back again, and have it that David has merely created a different more Advanced form of the 1979 Xenomorph.

3) It appears they will be making Daniels a Queen, its a Quesiton of will this be via.

a) Experiments on her Eggs, where David uses her Egg Cells to produce more Eggs, but then he would need the Black Goo or find a way to extract Face Hugger DNA and implant it in the Egg Cells.

b) Daniels becomes a Hybrid Birthing Machine, again this would need Black Goo or David some how extracts Face Hugger DNA and makes Daniels a Hybrid.

c)  Daniels + Face Hugger creates a Egg Laying Xenomorph.

I do fear they will take OPTION C

With RS mentioning they will go to see the cabin on the lake, well that heavily hints at Origae 6. However, wording is always cryptic from RS ambig at best. But am so happy that i caught it.

Gives us plenty to debate.

Potentially which Planets could we get to in one realistic action based film ? Is 2 possible ? more ?

The Biggest Clue is RS comments where he says 3-4 Parties will be at play and join David... and one of those will be the Engineers.

To me this sets up the following...

David will head towards Origae-6 where i assume from clues in the movie is a place that has not yet been inhabited by Humans at least not from Earth... or if so it only has a small start up Outpost..

its more likely David will go to Origae-6 at some point, and prepare the Colonization Mission, likely have to awaken some of the Crew (but not Daniels or Tennessee) come up with some excuse for the death of the Crew, and wipe the records and evidence.

Then the Colonist prepare to set up their New World, before David does something to Strand them on the Surface... while then he goes about to experiment on others on the Covenant and then transport the eggs on the Surface.

Unless he sets up a Cave or some place with Experiments and Eggs that will be in stasis... and then sets up the Colony and then leads them once he has a few hundred there.. into his Lair/Trap.

The W-Y Company will be sending a Ship in to intercept Davids, and likely they arrive after David has been on Origae-6 but it appears the company will be in the know about what David has done.

Meanwhile... Engineers or their Hierarchy return to inspect Planet 4 and find it decimated... maybe they realize what has happened and know of the Black Goo?  It is more Logical that the Engineers arrive at a time when David has already arrived at Origae-6 and so i will SAFELY ASSUME the Engineers return 8-10 years latter after David and Survivors leave Planet 4

I will Assume the Engineers via Walter find out the system David is going to (Origae-6) and off the Engineers go to Prevent David.

I will assume we would see Colonist suffer a Xeno infestation, like Hadleys Hope, the Company arrive and we have a shown down... but David tries to Persuade some of the Company of the uses of the Xenomorph and thus see the colonist as Pawns for a Bigger Pay Off.

I would assume the Colonist have some W-Y Military on their side, while some other W-Y Personnel agree to a Pact/Agenda where the Xeno Bio-Weapon is what they want and the Colonist are Expendable.

So i see a conflict between Colonist Survivors, and some Military who side with them and corrupt W-Y Types + Security who see the use for the Xenomorph....

And this conflict continues but is disrupted by the Arrival of the Engineers, who then get into conflict with the Xenomorph...

They would then either enter a Pact with David, or Destroy David and the Colonist and all Humans.... but then these Engineers or a few survivors would see the potential in Davids Experiments

I think they would then take the Eggs or some and head off to LV-223 either to destroy the Outpost or use it for further experiments... but then the Pilot and Crew get infected either on the way to LV-223

Or after doing what ever they intend on LV-223.

This is how i saw how Alien Awakening would go, and its pretty much at least the kind of route i would take...

But is this the Movie/ TWO Movies we shall see?

"But what about Origae 6 ? Planet 4 Walter ? How can they go to 2 of these places in one film ? They are simply too far apart. But visit 3 or 4 ? cmon"

Indeed some on here had speculated what if Planet 4 is LV-426 etc.. there are many reasons this is not the case... some now wonder is Origae-6 LV-426 and again this is not going to be the case.

On either Account... at least i hope not..

Planet 4, was shown to be a Planet about twice the size of Earth, with 7 Moons...  also if Planet 4 was so close to LV-223 how come the company had not came along sooner?  and its a bit of a coincidence that right next door after the Outbreak 2000 years ago, and the Prometheus Mission there was Engineers thriving on this world.

Planet 4 is thus a World that is on the way to Origae-6 a world that i would assume has to be 2-5 years from Earth via what ever Speeds the Covenant can travel... the Prequel Novel may answer this for us.

Origae-6 is a further 7.5 years away from Planet 4, it cant be ruled out as near LV-223 but then Prometheus showed us that only one Moon in that system supported the potential for Life that was LV-223.

so Origae-6 is a very Earth like but not quite as suitable world as Planet 4 was, and Origae-6 is a good 10-12 years Travel from Earth by the Covenant... i can assume... again the Prequel Book should reveal Time Frame and maybe Distances to Origae-6 

As it stands now... for Davids Xenomorphs to be those on the Derelict, David would by more easier route...  take his Ship to LV-223 where he can use the Outpost to Experiment on the Crew...  or he could get some more Black Goo from Planet 4... but LV-223 has much more for him....    Or he can somehow have those TWO Face Huggers change the Crew into Thousands of Eggs.

David still needs a Juggernaught/Derelict if this is the case.. we can assume the one he used in Prometheus is out of action... and there was No Clues to other ships in AC apart from the Deleted Scene.. So David would have to go at some point to LV-223 to pick up a Engineer Ship.

Unless..

1) Origae-6 is a Engineer World and has a Ship... which is a bit to much of a coincidence.

2) David uses one from Planet 4 (deleted Scene shows there are at least 2-3 more)...  

But the Set up seems to be that David will go to Origae-6 for some Purpose....  which for me, as far as the Goal of Creating Eggs or Destroying Mankind...  why cant he just SET UP SHOP on Planet 4, or go to LV-223?

@sherris

The SJ Question was set up in front of our own eyes... the clues are there from Prometehus...  The Outbreak Event on LV-223 would be connected to the Space Jockey...

1) The Space Jockey was carrying those Eggs for Experiments and it crashed, but some Engineers then Re-engineered them. And so the Derelict Predated the LV-223 Outbreak

2) The Space Jockey was carrying the results of Experiments on LV-223 or even something they experimented on Evolved into that Cargo and thus the Derelict happened after the LV-223 Outbreak

Clues are there for this... and then RS even confirmed it but vaguely.... he had confirmed the Derelict did not get far from its departure, its pilot had became infected with the Cargo and attempted to Qaurantine it on LV-426.  And the Event happened within a Few Hundred years of the Outbreak...  

so thats either a Event prior to the Outbreak by 100-200 years, or after the outbreak 100-200 years... but latter comments by RS where he claimed the Space Jockey was infected by something that Evolved in his Cargo... now seem to sugest the Derelict was infected with what ever Chest Busted the Dead Engineers in the Juggernaught in Prometheus... the Cargo had Evolved into Eggs and so the Derelict happened 100-200 years after the LV-223 Outbreak.

HOWEVER... it appeared they had a change of plans when they worked on AC.... it will be interesting if they do yet another U-Turn to now have once again the Derelict to be a Ancient Event.

@Lawrence of Arabia

I hope so.... i think its a case of what does FOX blame for the disappointment with Alien Covenant... it appears that the direction both prequels had taken are what they think is a disappointment.

All the comments and clues leading up to Prometheus 2 seemed to point to a movie that would not give us Xenomorphs yet, but explore the reasons behind the Engineers Culture, why we was created, and what caused those on LV-223 to start to do such experiments...  and for Dr Shaw to get some answers.

It would appear FOX saw Alien 5 was getting more Hype and Interest and so they had got RS to bring the Xenomorph connection back...

So they tried bring the Xenomorph back.... we have to ask is the Xenomorph in AC why the movie disappointed?

Was it that the Xenomorph did not quite look the same?

Was it that the Xenmorph Chest Buster disappointed fans?

Was it that there was not enough shown of the Xenomorphs?

Was it the Faster Gestation of the Xenomorphs?

OR... Was it Davids Involvement in the creation of the Xenomorph?

Looking at the General Public reaction.. well Majority of fans, it seems most are disappointed with the Chest Buster and Gestation/Growth Rate.

But then we get what seems more like 35/65% Split against David being the Creator of the Xenomorph, it just appears TWO 3rds in general would have not liked David to had anything to do with the original Xenomorph.

So for the Sequel... its a case of does FOX feel, they should ignore the Xenomorph?  Or is it that they feel Davids role needs to be toned down and give some other explanation for the eventual Eggs on the Derelict?

A lot of Prometheus Fans felt the way Dr Shaw was handled and Engineers as in all being brushed under the Carpet was a Disappointment, but then i noticed a number of people still felt AC was touching to much on Prometheus

i think the majority Fan Boys...   still are in denial and are holding out for the Xenomorphs to be Ancient, having a more powerful role than just a engineered Bio-Weapon be that by Bald Humanoids or Crazy Androids.   And also holding out that the Engineers role is not as large as bringing in some other Race who Fans would hope as the Creators of the Xenomorph or even relations to the Xenomorph itself.

it appears, a majority are not so happy at the whole Engineers, being Ancient Humanoids who are our Ancestors or connected some way and interpreted as our Gods/Creators...   Never mind how this Race also Created or are Responsible for the Derelict, its Cargo and the Xenomorph.

I think a lot of Fanboys in Hindsight would rather a different more Alien Approach to the Xenomorph Origin and Space Jockey that has nothing to do with investing in the Company Back Ground and Androids never mind Ancient Astronaut Theory Story.

Give us the Ganesha Space Jockey... Some may Scream... Give us Queens....

So i HONESTLY think it depends how much RS is interested in his Story about Creation/Creator Rebellion and the Engineers Arc and Davids Arc...   And if FOX agree this is the way they should have taken Prometheus Sequel.... and not bring the Xenomorph back...

Or if FOX feel that its not the Xenomorph that was the failings but the whole set up from Prometheus to AC regarding the Emphasis on Engineers, Creators, Gods and Rebellion and David.

I feel now they have started this Path they cant abandon it..., they have to stick to it... but they can merely Change David as a Re-creator of the Xenomorph and have him Evolve something that actually ends up being less Xenomorph than evolving more Xenomorph.

And then bring in some other Race who used the Engineers merely as Slaves and in some kind of Sacrificial purpose that Xenomorph Related Organisms play a Role..

Thats how i think they need to Save the Story now...

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@Lawrence of Arabia

I hope so.... i think its a case of what does FOX blame for the disappointment with Alien Covenant... it appears that the direction both prequels had taken are what they think is a disappointment.

All the comments and clues leading up to Prometheus 2 seemed to point to a movie that would not give us Xenomorphs yet, but explore the reasons behind the Engineers Culture, why we was created, and what caused those on LV-223 to start to do such experiments...  and for Dr Shaw to get some answers.

It would appear FOX saw Alien 5 was getting more Hype and Interest and so they had got RS to bring the Xenomorph connection back...

So they tried bring the Xenomorph back.... we have to ask is the Xenomorph in AC why the movie disappointed?

Was it that the Xenomorph did not quite look the same?

Was it that the Xenmorph Chest Buster disappointed fans?

Was it that there was not enough shown of the Xenomorphs?

Was it the Faster Gestation of the Xenomorphs?

OR... Was it Davids Involvement in the creation of the Xenomorph?

Looking at the General Public reaction.. well Majority of fans, it seems most are disappointed with the Chest Buster and Gestation/Growth Rate.

But then we get what seems more like 35/65% Split against David being the Creator of the Xenomorph, it just appears TWO 3rds in general would have not liked David to had anything to do with the original Xenomorph.

So for the Sequel... its a case of does FOX feel, they should ignore the Xenomorph?  Or is it that they feel Davids role needs to be toned down and give some other explanation for the eventual Eggs on the Derelict?

A lot of Prometheus Fans felt the way Dr Shaw was handled and Engineers as in all being brushed under the Carpet was a Disappointment, but then i noticed a number of people still felt AC was touching to much on Prometheus

i think the majority Fan Boys...   still are in denial and are holding out for the Xenomorphs to be Ancient, having a more powerful role than just a engineered Bio-Weapon be that by Bald Humanoids or Crazy Androids.   And also holding out that the Engineers role is not as large as bringing in some other Race who Fans would hope as the Creators of the Xenomorph or even relations to the Xenomorph itself.

it appears, a majority are not so happy at the whole Engineers, being Ancient Humanoids who are our Ancestors or connected some way and interpreted as our Gods/Creators...   Never mind how this Race also Created or are Responsible for the Derelict, its Cargo and the Xenomorph.

I think a lot of Fanboys in Hindsight would rather a different more Alien Approach to the Xenomorph Origin and Space Jockey that has nothing to do with investing in the Company Back Ground and Androids never mind Ancient Astronaut Theory Story.

Give us the Ganesha Space Jockey... Some may Scream... Give us Queens....

So i HONESTLY think it depends how much RS is interested in his Story about Creation/Creator Rebellion and the Engineers Arc and Davids Arc...   And if FOX agree this is the way they should have taken Prometheus Sequel.... and not bring the Xenomorph back...

Or if FOX feel that its not the Xenomorph that was the failings but the whole set up from Prometheus to AC regarding the Emphasis on Engineers, Creators, Gods and Rebellion and David.

I feel now they have started this Path they cant abandon it..., they have to stick to it... but they can merely Change David as a Re-creator of the Xenomorph and have him Evolve something that actually ends up being less Xenomorph than evolving more Xenomorph.

And then bring in some other Race who used the Engineers merely as Slaves and in some kind of Sacrificial purpose that Xenomorph Related Organisms play a Role..

Thats how i think they need to Save the Story now...

>Fan gives Ridley Scott some advice

>Same fan tells Ridley Scott not to listen to any advice from fans

hmmm

I think it will be interesting to see what this book uncovers.

Right now it appears that the Weyland and Yutani Companies had a Merger that resulted in a Yutani major control, and so potentially the Saboteurs may have a issue with Yutanis role in the company.

But maybe this may not mean that some board members of the Weyland Company are the ones against the Merger... it could be but who knows... this will be interesting to see.

But it does seem to look like after the Death of Peter Weyland and Meredith Vickers and Fortune lost on the Prometheus Mission, something had happened where the remaining Board Members either are forced into a Merger with Yutani... or one of the Weyland Board member enters a Deal  underhandedly against the wishes of the others.

My Prometheus 2 draft touched upon such a conspiracy, where Peter Weylands Nephew was prepared to set up and have removed those who would have taken Charge of the company, and he had made a pact to Yutani Assassins in which for their part... they get a Merger, while Peter Weylands Nephew gets what he wants from the Company.

Going back to the Prequel book though....

It would be interesting to see what year its set in, as this gives us some idea to when the Covenant Mission set off, how far Planet 4 is away and Origae-6 and more so when the mission set off XXX amount of years after the Take Over.

It appears this could be the First Major Space mission for the Merged Company, and for some reason some PARTY wants this Mission to FAIL!

Interesting take on those two lines... i can buy into this yeah.

The Xeno part about how easy it was to kill, i am not sure about, a lot of Alien Fans did not like how easy Aliens and Alien R and AVP made the Xenomorphs Cannon Fodder.... where was Alien and Alien 3 gave the impression it was one tough cookie... we have to remember in Alien no one actually had any choice as far as attacking it, so it was never tested.. apart from the Harpoon.

RS had said the Xenomorph in AC would have Regenerated itself, even after the one that got crushed by the Lander, Crane etc...  a odd statement that contradicts most Alien movies....  apart from maybe Alien and Alien 3

But then these could be Davids more Advanced Xenomorphs that are different and can regenerate?

I do HOWEVER feel the "When one note is off David, it eventually destroys the entire symphony"

If i am looking into how to interpret it a  bit like you have, i feel could allude to maybe that despite Davids Work to Create Perfection it only takes one Flaw in his Design to completely Ruin the whole Plans David had.

We see the Engineers had tried to create/harness similar related Organisms as Failed... and so i think David in his pursuit of Perfection could Evolve the Xenomorph or do something that then sees them get out of control and David Ultimately like the Engineers before, creates something that can not be controlled and this leads to Davids down-fall

A Theme that the W-Y Company and USM try to also gain in the Franchise that always ultimately leads to their down-fall...  The Xeno-Virus/Xenomorph Can not be Contained, Controlled or Harnessed.

I feel that Alien 5 was to touch upon yet another Failed attempt at this Urge to Control the Xenomorph too.

I am really hoping to never see a Queen, as that gives the appearance (to me) of bees in a hive & the Xeno is so much more than that!!!!

Guys, I am is total agreement with the Engineers being largely involved in the next installment, too!!

Also, maybe the SJ could still be ancient, somehow, too?

Agree.Just want the so called "Ultramorph" to bee an engineers creation, that David was recreating.

What i disliked the most in A:C was that they didnt gave Walter a gun...

The most i want is to bring back Walter and reprogramm David + blonde hair.

Then it will be perfect to see eggmorphing and never the queen.

Scrib - Lovely thought.

I believe that EVERYTHING said in Prometheus was for a reason.

Same with A:C. Keep it up. The evidence is there. I am sure of it !!

Trokanmariel - Great idea i too like it. Have a film with Engineers and their Gods open the mythos more explain some shit and lets keep the interesting parts alive for the next installments.

I worry they ignore the SJ after telling it in Prometheus. I think they may forget A:C destroyed that idea with David being the 1979 Xeno creator. Now the Eggs arent there yet.r if they are can only contain an Engineers version which end product will not be a 1979 Xeno

Other than that i do feel there are some pot holes that are so many in number it will be hard to navigate through A:A without falling through a few which would be a real shame on al lthe hard work they put in and the time we did.

Regardless i will be there every step of the way.

I scored A:C 3/5 but as a standalone it would of been an easy 4.

I watched it maybe 20 times so it cant be that bad. Just not what i had planned ;)

Love to have Peter Weyland back in the mix. Let's say he is stored in a special room/area in hibernation(clone) or stasis(Synth) on board the Covenant(or another star ship or just start "Awakening" on Mars with Peter)...I'd would be shocked if the old guy didn't clone himself or upload to a synth. And it would be very cool to have a young Guy Pearce(49).

Have the end of Covenant, David reviving Peter.

David "Good morning Mr. Weyland"

Hope you are right ATI that would be mint !!

BigDave - Hello Again !!!!

I too think a higher being could take centre stage, filling in the blanks for our Engineer questions. Linking nicely but with new direction...

I would personally love that too !!

A:A - i cant see how they can answer the SJ question (which until A:C was answered) and then get to the Nostromo.

Considering the planet distances. LV 426 has to be visited. LV 223 could be visited as it is weapons station and nearby.

But what about Origae 6 ? Planet 4 Walter ? How can they go to 2 of these places in one film ? They are simply too far apart. But visit 3 or 4 ? cmon

I tried a thread suggesting Planet 4 was in fact some how related to the system with the LV moons but was laughed at and rightly so but i do have a feeling A:A will drop a major continuity error and spoil the whole 3. So many pot holes. So many haters watching and waiting. Refardless of that, it is a professional studio and should make NO such error.

What ya think ???????????????

Walter is simply letting David know that he is faulty, and small faults have big consequences. Look at how Hannibal Lecter regards the flautist in Red Dragon, the follow up to Ridley's movie Hannibal. I'm sure Ridley would have seen and remembered this scene.

dk yeah i agree, I think Walter was very politely suggesting to David that he was nuts.

Scrib I like your idea about the Covenant colonists as David's symphony, especially with him strutting through the hypersleep pod deck with that song blaring! 

G. H. (Gman)

Any news from the second weekend in Japan. BoxOfficeMojo recently uploaded the incomes on the global page. With simple arithmetic we can infer that until now Covenant made 5.8 mil. But I don't if this value includes the last weekend.

 I read the notes and composed it myself 

dk I think it is pretty safe to say we won't see Daniels again, unless her memory is erased or something like that.

Roger55 I wouldn't pay attention to any "spec scripts". I would pay more attention to the ideas and theories floating around (specially very old ones), some of which are much better than anything we've seen in Covenant. 

trokanmariel Yes, that is exactly what I mean. A few humans but crucial to the story. The next one needs a lot of weirdness and unpredictability. I don't think having the Engineers front and center would tarnish the Alien movies legacy. If done right it can put things in context and even provide a setup for the post Aliens movies (in case they decide to declare Alien 3 and 4 non canon). For instance, it can explain why Weyland Yutani  wants to get hold of a xenomorph so desperately in spite of being so dangerous.

Ati: My support or not shouldn't be an issue here. What is important is that people get a lot of trouble from that bad weather, some maybe die and so on. A movie should be a non-issue compared to that. What is most important: a movie or staying alive? Once again, the focus of the post is bizarre but I am not sure if you get it and no it doesn't matter if you say that "well it fits because it is an alien covenant board".

That is an interesting observation.

Walter's one note off statement seemed broad enough to me that it could apply to more than one aspect that applied to David.

@Joylitt

I can not complain, i m over the moon knowing that Scott is commanding the helm again, talent has to spare, he already knows what his weak point, [is not a screenwriter or writer], which surprises me knowing such artistic talent, but the Movies World is sometimes odd, even AC is a real Rembrant if you see another Scify films along 2017, I do not think AC had excessive CGI, recently I have seen different scripts and draft concepts along the Net about next Alien movie, I did not like them anyway. Next script should change many things, including David, Covenant ship and of course Daniels as last survivor of the mission. I bet more for Peter Weyland character for ex, and why? I have seen a lot of potential in Jared Leto role as Niander Wallace in BR 2049.