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even the storm against AC : (
Alien Covenant is more than a horror movie. I don't watch horror movies except for Stephen King's adaptations.
4 months after its theater release and 1 month after its bluray release Alien Covenant does very well in Japan. Especially after the hate wave and negative reviews.
And the fact the bluray sales are good is encouraging, fans always want to hold a hard copy of things they love.
Truely pathetic, by the end of it's run AC will be the 4th horror movie at the box office for 2017, while being the most expensive. It will be lucky to bring in 2.5 times it's production cost (the other successful horrors with at least 10 times the cost).
And I don't that it will out sale Prometheus at the home release market.
Ripley- What do you know about it?
I agree with you both. I just wish I had a date on a screen somewhere or some other marker to show the actual date on the surface...and not four cryptic time stamps. If I did, I would correct the timeline start and reconcile to a later date. Late December sounds reasonable.
Very sad news very good actor.
Just made for you joylitt
Just WOW ati
Yes, the Covenant arrives at Planet 4 on 24, December 2104 - if I know correctly. (Yes, 24th again...)
I hope there will be a big surprise for us in Alien: Awakening. Ripley is faced with a challenge since the point of the prequels was to explain more about the alien in the chair we see in 1979 Alien. We really don't know how Alien: Covenant links up to this, but we do know Prometheus helps explain who the alien in the chair is.
So, Ridley's got to show us what Alien: Covenant is all about in Alien: Awakening and finish telling the story of the alien in the chair. I think Alien: Awakening will take quite a bit away in time from the happenings of Alien: Covenant and I pray that Ridley doesn't end Alien: Awakening right where Alien starts. I hope he lets us know what happened to the alien in the chair without actually showing us what happened.
I speculate the alien in the chair was there for a long time because that would be a good story. The question is how does this then fit into the prequels? I think everyone is assuming David has something to do with the alien in the chair or maybe it is actually David somehow in the chair.
Ridley Scott gave us a fresh twist with Alien: Covenant. That twist being that it takes place 10 years after Prometheus and has a whole new cast, except for David of course. I expect the same treatment for Alien: Awakening. I think we're going to get something none of us are going to be able to predict. That is unless we try and think of things that we can't predict from what we have already seen, which we could.
I do think all of the Covenant crew will be dead in Alien: Awakening. I doubt we'll get to see David experimenting on them because that kind of scare technique is not what the Alien franchise is about. Alien3 had a little human anatomy gore, but with Alien: Covenant, we got all of the experiments outside the movie and instead on the internet.
The question to help us figure out what's in Alien: Awakening is, "What does David want with all of the Colonists?" Yes, we know he wants to experiment on them, but what is the final purpose.
I think it's to kill the human race. So, he could possible be taking his experiments results back to Earth. That way he could see his experiments in action. Plus, we need a Alien movie which address the Xeno's threat to Earth. But, does David stop by LV-223 to get a juggernaut with more goo? Or does he think the Xeno he created is actually a better weapon than the goo? He most likely thinks his Xeno is the perfect weapon since he just has to let them loose and just sit back and grab a cold one. WY knows about David's experiments because we saw his transmission to them from a video released by Fox on the internet. They don't know he's coming to Earth, but he is. He actually may stop by LV-223 to get a juggernaut so that the Earthlings can't track his ship. I assure you that the Covenant ship has a tracker on it. I don't see how it couldn't to be honest. The problem with going to LV-223 is that it could take awhile. We really don't know where the Covenant ship is located or where Planet 4 is located for that matter. David might know where to find a ship that wasn't revealed in the movies too. I would think David would want to get another ship, though, so the humans can't track him until he's close. Plus, he probably needs a ship which has a weapon so he can fight his way to Earth. We may get an epic space fight!!!!! Plus, those juggernauts are probably fast and hard to hit.
So, the Engineers come into play because they know what David did to Planet 4. They didn't go to Planet 4 because it's to dangerous, still I think the Engineers would have bio-suits to protect them from the free goo. Still, they would have to worry about David. Planet 4 is David's home now, so technically he would have home court advantage too. I don't think there are many of the Engineers like we saw in Prometheus. I think they are a special breed of an alien species which brings the risk of one dying. Those Engineers need to be very careful and not die because they are a special variant of the common alien gene. Of course, now David is in space, so the Engineers can attack him. So, the Engineers come into play and try to stop David from getting to Earth. After all, the Engineers DID NOT kill humanity and I think that was a conscious decision by them. They changed their minds. David ends up giving up trying to land on Earth and just crashes into it. The Engineers land on Earth and take the juggernaut back before the average human being can notice. The big powers on Earth cover up what actually happened and leave the fact that aliens exist to themselves. David would most likely crash in the ocean since there is so much of it on Earth. Like I said, he gave up trying to land on Earth because the Engineers are winning the space fight. So, he just throws the juggernaut at planet Earth and hopes for the best. The thing is that the Engineer flying David's juggernaut back didn't account for David being an android. So, actually David somehow gets an egg to open and the facehugger somehow catches the Engineer off guard and impregnates him. The Engineer was trying to fly the juggernaut back to LV-223 because that was the chosen location to put all weapons of mass destruction after the Engineers decided not to kill the humans. So, the juggernaut crashes on LV-426 because it was set on autopilot with the Engineer relaxing in the chair. The Engineer couldn't land it because he was impregnated and dead by the time the ship got there. So, the whole burned through the flow because eventually the Xeno died and it's blood oozed out and ate through the floor. This released a lot of humidity into the chair room where the Engineer died. This adds to the aging of the Engineer and made it look like the Engineer has been there for a long time, like it was said in the original Alien movie. The heavy humidity really tried to decompose the Engineer. Plus, the Engineer could have been in space for years on autopilot, so there is really no telling exactly how many years that Engineer was subject to heavy decomposition, but because of what was in the air of the egg room in the derelict, the Engineer appeared to look decades old. So, on that derelict is David, still alive in pieces or he might have eventually burned out and shut down. Maybe the future Alien franchise will bring David back many years after Alien: Resurrection. That is apparently the plan anyways. The plan being to have the future Alien franchise movies taking place many years after Alien: Resurrection.
Now, this story is in no way something I have thought for a long time. I just read your post and thought I would try and come up with something... and I think I did come up with something that works with Alien canon. Maybe I'm wrong though. There are a lot of people on this forum which know much more about the Alien franchise than me.
1 million less than Prometheus? Damn. Thank god for Blu-ray sales...
The good news is Blu-Ray discs are selling good.
A:C Blu-Ray Sales Chart Run: 1-2-4-5
Source: http://www.homemediamagazine.com/category/hmm/news/research/top-sellers
cuponator3000 and that we will my friend :)
Daszkowski thanks for the share, we've all been hanging on this news.
Go for the steelbook! I just got the walmart blu-ray and enjoy it ,but the steelbook cover looks awesome to have at home!
Not a good turnout at all. Still, it was kind of expected due to the later release date. Box office mojo has worldwide numbers for A.C. at $236 million. I say it might sneak to $240 million with a couple of weeks in Japan. So, it will finish it's theatrical runs disappointingly. It is now up to fans, such as us here on scified, to keep the buzz about Covenant and the franchise!
Call - Ellen Ripley died 200 years ago.
We all know there's behind the scenes stuff maybe it will be re released on an extended cut. That if fox lets him why he can't be left to make the movies he want without them sticking their noses in is beyond me he even says about in the commentary
i know that was such an enjoyable part of the BR and gave us some hints and clues to build on. A very enjoyable purchase was Prometheus BR.
Steelbook should be fine then i reckon !! Thanks
It should have the David video on the steel book blu ray only thing I am not happy about is no behind the scenes doc like prom had
I thought the special effects in Covenant were some of the best and while I love practical the CGI looked better than what a man in a suit would bring to the table unfortunately. You can just do so much more like having a Xeno grow on-screen or any of the action scenes. It may look 'fake' at times but not anymore so than practical. I'm glad though that Ridley used practical on set for the actors.
http://www.scified.com/member/32205 interesting especially in the final part. we can believe that RS has stated in an interview that David ended Walter because he exploited the naivety of his brother, then took its appearance with some remodeling here and there, including clothing (as already discussed in other topics) a perfect camouflage ! (personally I think a chef does not reveal his original recipe so as to surprise when he is satisfied) the question is: daniels would have been so out of touch not to understand in a slight detail that the android in front is David? to see that they are the same I would have had a minimum doubt! Remember that he had stuck in his chin, damaged his head several times! fascinating to see, but also particularly difficult to imitate on the cuts of the face, hand, set hair, voice, having the chance to use a new self-regenerating body would be ideal for child prodigy , I'm proud to have Walter! there is still a mystery as it would transfer the CPU to the subject ... in the future we will understand how
"Au Revoir Shoshanna"
I hope David gets his for what he did to Shaw. I feel badly for Daniels but David killing Shaw is just unforgivable. I remember watching Covenant for the first time in theaters and being so pissed at the end after seeing Shaw vivisected in David's lab. Even if she were to die from an infection from her surgery wound I'd be much more accepting of that than having David presumably strangling her and then experimenting with her insides. I know David "loved" Shaw but at this point I hope if he makes Daniels into a queen that she sticks her tail through his torso and rips him in half a la Bishop in Aliens. >:/
Yeah, CGI was overused, despite all the hype about practical effects, suits etc. I like a lot about this movie – blu-ray coming my way – but CGI monster efx is a let-down. Why not trust your practical efx, Ridley, and use your consummate skill as editor to create genuinely scary images with believable, classy real-world in-camera techniques? Budget was so huge on this that it should’ve been possible. Alien’s first xeno and Aliens’ queen are still the scariest and the best, are indelibly etched on the memory because they are achieved with old-skool movie-making skill. . .
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I spotted this image on one of the Alien facebook pages. Don't know who the artist is but it's pretty awesome!

This continues to look amazing!
I apologize that long there were no news. First demo version with eng. sub. will come out at the end of November.




Spoiler alert!? (Do we need this now?). Walter should have been programmed as a internist, medic, engineer, chemist, biologist, marksman (would be amazing with no pulse or breath to throw a shot...), Krav maga expert, and a linguist. Other stuff is fine, but this is minimum. Walter should have killed David if the fight were not orchestrated as if humans were fighting. Why? He had the upper hand and chose to talk??? Many times there were talking moments??? No, impact the eyes and eliminate the threat... This script was not written by a person who has fought. You don't monologue during a fight. All this being said, after multiple viewings, the most notible scenes involve a flute (fail)! Because it's weird and doesn't fit. I stand by my statement that people on this forum would have made a better movie. Maybe it was an oversight that the Droid at the end didn't have chin damage as David should have had. So if it's David, then Walter was not an effective replacement. If it was Walter with David's upload, then the Walter coders didn't have Norton antivirus software.
CGI quality of alien covenant was inferior to Prometheus. In multiple sequences of the Xenomorph and neomorph, it was obvious CGI as the skin and the movement didn't feel alive but artificial. Would prefer to see the creatures not so obvious and use more suits or animatronics.
The so-called chestburster scene was one of the worst and ridiculous I've seen in the alien franchise.
And Neomorph by TheRisingSoul

Neomorph by VoxelDog from imgur.

I think what David 8 means is that the Engineers got soft and lost touch with the magnificent cruelty they had refined in their past. I also think you nailed it daliens in the explanation below in regards to the idle capability:
"David's inheritance added to the Engineers' direction of biomechanical concerns? Is it like a divine intervention, on and above Engineers' "ultimate maturation", meaning that the Xenomorph is something the Engineers would have never succeeded to create? So David steps in to break the linear evolution and to seal the engineers' fate?
Can this be his statement that the biomechanical Xenomorph design is ready and waiting to be released?"
I believe "ultimate maturation" means to see it through, toss aside nostalgia, and maximize (maturity) the tools available to him (David 8). What David 8 brought to the party was no mercy and a chip on his shoulder for Weyland wanting tea and the Engineer pulling off his head.
The "glorious synthesis" mentioned seems to tend toward that every strength possessed by the Engineers was refined into the xenomorph virus. And that "ultimate maturation" means to let it loose.
Covenant Mission Priority (Phobos)

The above message reads like an order for clinical trials.
out fukn rageous !!
That was unbelievable
Excellent point Timmy the ultramorph regarding Citizen Kane.
Thank you Kethol for the topic and exposure for the "wins".

"Is that pod in the picture of Daniels for sure?, daliens"
No, I'm quite sure the pod below is not Daniels but one of the cryopods (above) lighting up as David 8 entered and spit up his creation.
David 8 put Daniels to be in the crew cryopods/hypersleep chambers in the adjacent room to the rows of the colonists' sleeping.

Below, is a timeline I constructed around the images' date/time stamp for another topic here.

Didn't know...thank you Ati.
Are the Fire and Stone Prometheus comics worth reading?
I have seen where these are cited as canon but that list seems a little fluid.
No RinaRhodon, that sounds like reasonable apprehension.
Ati, the worm looks a little neomorphish. Amazing. We find life just about everywhere we look on Earth. I wonder how far down into the planet life goes. And yes daliens, if the insects and worms were any larger then we wouldn't need horror movies.
A solid actor and a unforgettable character from Alien.
Check out- No small parts: Episode#6-Harry Dean Stanton on youtube.
sherris, I wrote a note (below quote) addressing this on the other topic related to the events on Paradise here. I agree, they flubbed the timeline.
"Note: they flubbed the timeline in the movie because the date "December 5, 2104" flashed when showing the Covenant hit in space by charged particles, weeks before."
I don't think the date/time stamp has anything to do with the order of filming. All of Alien: Covenant was filmed Spring-Summer 2016.
They made a mistake flashing December 5, 2104 before they got to the planet or four mistakes in the date/time images not counting weeks of travel time to get to Paradise from where Dr. Shaw's signal was picked up.
Going by the marketing images with the date/time stamp...the daylight/darkness reconciles with the scenes from Alien: Covenant.
That is why I believe both below images are from December 8, 2104. One, because 20th Century Fox labeled it with a date/time stamp and the view from Daniels window looking over the wheat field.


To summarize, it seems clear they got the date wrong somewhere. So, I reconciled to the image date/time stamps because that seemed to be the intent of the marketing and I believe used to send a message with the December 8, 2104 image.
Ingenerio -
As i stated before these dates IMO are flawed and more to do with order of filming rather than dates on Planet 4.
Here goes, December 5th film starts, crew recieve message. Takes 2 weeks to get to Planet 4 = Dec 19/20. Then the few days on the Planet i think lead to the birth of a certain creature around Dec 25 ish. Havent worked it out completely as i did a few months ago i have not got me notes here.




















