New Replies (Page 575)

Ripley holds her palm up, presses its against the blade tip in Call's hand.

RIPLEY - What make you think I would let you do that?

She pushes against the blade, it goes right through her palm and out the other side. The blood smeared blade smokes as the acidic blood in Ripley reacts with the metal. Call stares at her. 

Ingeniero I was looking at that picture featured on another post of yours and I did not figure out what you meant, I did not see the mountains through the window :)

Yiu have the sharpest eyesight and attention for details. How do you do it?

It would be awesome if Covenant lands on Paradise, then the Engineers return and confront David. Does anybody know if they saved the sets built for Covenant, in case they intend to use them again for Awakening?

I personally don't believe it's a goof from Ridley Scott knowing his attention for details.

Call replies with her voice full of sickness, "Those sick bastards." (She has no doubt that Ripley is speaking the truth.  Call's perspective on humans and what they are capable of just sunk as deep as the shaft of the cell Ripley is in.)

She then continues after a guard passes far overhead with sincerity to the person she was so ready to kill in her sleep, "I can make it stop." Call continues to plead, "The pain... this nightmare.  That's all I can offer you." (She's so ready to take the consequences for what these humans, yet not so humane humans, have done.)  

Ripley- Curious. I'm the latest thing...

They might have had an idea for the ship to land, then changed their minds during production?

Interesting video. Just goes to show that with proper presentation, any opinion can be viable! ;) I appreciate the counterpoint of this YouTuber. Too often we're inundated with negativity and cynicism, which often will seep into our own behaviors and personalities... Snark can be cute, but I think it takes real work to look on the bright side without any irony. Despite all the criticism lobbed at Alien Covenant, this fellow shows in spades that it did a lot right! Makes it even more bittersweet that this wasn't the "perfect organism" of a movie.

Ingeniero

I agree with you and your points, you made some really good ones, and have a further observation about tech:

One of the the things I've noticed is so much tech has become so Integrated into our lives, I find I have to stops and really LOOK deliberately to spot it, to find it, to be able to include mention of advances on such regarding a fictional future.
I have a feeling that will simply become more of a challenge as years go on and tech progresses.
And it's a fun little challenge, kinda like 'where's waldo?' but more like 'where's Siri?' :D

I hope Scott will reveal the explanation of the mystery in question.

Helminthophobia... Brrrrrrrr...

The Devil's Worm:

'This worm is able to survive 10,000 feet below us, which allows scientists to nickname it “The Devil’s Worm”. It’s said that it lives so far down, that its existence is a mystery by itself.

It’s not a dangerous worm and it’s also eyeless. Scientists believe that they are the beginning of a new, rich biosphere thousands of feet below. Should we be a little scared?'

Yes, it was suggested that some drawings show David's dreams/nightmares.

I believe the novel will be rich with Engineer content sherris.

Thank you for the kind words above but to clarify, most of my late topics have been responses to: awesome questions from daliens, the online script analysis/documentation from dk, and tech assistance from IRaptus on the embed video. I am certainly excited to discuss Engineer anything with Davefried81 and Lawrence of Arabia. So I go there too.

Yes, Cerulean Blue, I believe the Engineers used tech to control weather, here. Jason Cardona delivered magic here. I don't carry much at all.

I do not remember a single fluff post (all good stuff) from Dark Nebula.

I do appreciate so many of the other topics that have come out during the slow traffic period lately and I didn't want to be disrespectful by not mentioning how I've been motivated by other's questions and comments. And the string of image analysis and collections from Ati.

New one (an updated version of the first poster I made)

FULL 4008×5672 HERE

Fantastic analysis Ingeniero :)

Is there a physical copy? Didn't know about this.

I concur, you can tell the reviewer 'gets' the film and it's subtext while Cinema Sins just nitpicks inane stuff and reaches.

Ingenerio -

Oh i have not ordered the novel yet but will atch on release.

Hey, iam really enjoying your posts and vision. Also the fact that you are almost single handed carrying Alien-Covenant.com through this tough patch. Keeping things not only fresh but detailed and things we can add on to. So i always try to check an Ingenerio thread.

Thanks in advance and for allyour hard work man.

BTW I enjoy Art of P. more than Art of C. Just preference i think. My major saw point was aside from the opening pages in "Art of P." the mural / Fresco character was not in the actual book. Oh well cant have it all :(

Oh, I agree, Blackwinter-witch on the 2017 understanding of physics that refutes future claims in the Weyland Industries corporate timeline.

I could just as easily explain how they perform faster-than-light (FTL) in any atmosphere as I could explain future ballistics breakthroughs. Impossible to explain in today's physics.

In regards to technology's place in the story, I do like how Mother is always waiting and listening for instruction. Daniels does not have to move when cooking breakfast to let Tennessee in the door nor reach for anything when funneling the xenomorph down locked corridors and locking doors behind her.

Her character was free to move because of technology and in those instances it was meshed together well in the story.

Another great collection! Thank you Ati.

This image is just heartwarming.

I agree with Dark Nebula. 

Some of the drawings seem to be projected mutation of Dr. Shaw based on David 8's studies. David 8 has mentioned "reanimation" in describing his work, so who know's what that means.

I think I have most or all of Dr. Shaw's notebook here, sherris.

Will do sherris on the Art of Prometheus.

I just ordered a copy and will give requested analysis/opinion. Thank you for the compliment of asking for it from me. I also ordered a copy of the Art of Alien: Covenant as well.

I preordered my copy of the Alien: Covenant prequel novel that is released this month and can't wait to get it.

I don't really see how would David put Shaw together after ripping her jaw like that drawing depicts. For all, we know he used her organs for his experiments.

It could just be some illustration drawn by David for some reason that has nothing to do with actual Shaw's corpse. There was another drawing of Shaw drawn by David when Daniels was turning over those sheets of paper.

And there are other drawings depicting Shaw that we didn't actually see in the movie like these

Thank you sherris. The images are from two different sources, Phobos and the Take Me Home promotion.

I tried to answer your question regarding the record player and the view from the window here.

isnt that a deleted crew quarters scene that was in the promotional material.

Someone thought it so special that they even changed the colour of the record! Does anyone remember that. it is in one of the many trailers and snippets we got that never got used or even into a deleted scene

Is there such a thing as Shaws Notebook ? 

I just bought Art of Prometheus last week and got A:C art and making this week. Prometheus seems better for me.

Anyway this note book availability pla guys ?

In the "Art of Prometheus", those 3 shots before the book starts are amazing. With the Bird Faced Creature,  and also the other picture before it.

Ingenerio - i cant do photos and stuff. would you ever have time to show us those pics and your thoughts plz.

the engineer suit got me thinking about something i noticed in the hall of heads pics this afternoon.

If not i understand and thanks for your detailed masterpieces so far !! a1

Created new poster, out of boredom.

FULL 4008×5672 HERE

It may be that David created the Xenomorph as glorious synthesis and poetic culmination of the species? 

David's inheritance added to the Engineers' direction of biomechanical concerns? Is it like a divine intervention, on and above Engineers' "ultimate maturation", meaning that the Xenomorph is something the Engineers would have never succeeded to create? So David steps in to break the linear evolution and to seal the engineers' fate?

Can this be his statement that the biomechanical Xenomorph design is ready and waiting to be released?

Not sure at all about the "amusing biblical" reference.  Most likely the engineers can be linked with the nephilim but is David meaning their fate? What is amusing here?

Call - I don't understand. If they've got it, why are they keeping you alive?

Hello Cerulean Blue.

The Engineer suits worn in Dr. Shaw's notes look like human clothing, most likely provided to them by humans that worshipped them on Earth.

It comes just as I'm trying to be serious.

IRaptus and daliens, your comments are both direct evidence that I have maxed out the excitement over Dr. Shaw's notes.

I know the notes came out over 5 years ago and are old news to many but I wanted to pump you up with a secondary reference tying the Engineers to the Nephilim. 

Original question:

"an amusing biblical one at that." and "not quite linear"

What does that mean?, daliens

My conclusions, answer to your question (simplified):

That origin may be from the Watchers/Fallen Angels of the Bible ("an amusing biblical one at that.") and the poem Paradise Lost.

By "not quite linear", David 8 may identify with the humans (divine creation) that created him and not the rebellious angels (Watchers, different heritage) that created their own path to Earth and polluted the genome of the humans.

Does the explanation sound reasonable in regards to "not quite linear" from David 8's perspective (human history) to the Engineer's Biblical Inheritance (Nephilim history)?

Great stuff!!  The Neomorph is a bad-ass!!  Love the Big Chap, as well!!

@Ingeniero - Another great post!!  It seems the Engineers created the suits they wore?  Is that correct?

Ripley smiling "You mean by baby?"

sosse its a great gem of a film :)

each time I watch it, I notice something new, and find another reason to love it more. The second one was unnecessary and was not as good, but still enjoyable. 

 As for the Mayan reference of Chichen Itza, it would have been more convincing if king Pakal's tombstone from Palenque was used instead. It is well known among the ancient aliens theory fans.

Thanks, Ingeniero. Very interesting parallel to the biblical story. 

However Shaw's notes on ancient Egypt are ridiculous. Even if there were some changes during Akhenaten reign and at the demise of the ancient Egypt civilization during ptolemaic kingdom there could never have existed such a representation like that giant punk dude, in an arms crossed pose. The Egyptian canon was very strict over the centuries. 

That giant from Shaw's note looks more like the YMCA policeman :)

the first Descent was so good

Call than speaks what she now knows, "It's already out of you."  Christ..."  Now there is an urgency is Call's voice, "Is it here?  Is it on board?"  She's frantically looking for anything that can lead her to the stopping of the madness.

Call - There's no point, is there?