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Outpost Coordinate Relay
Signal boost Gliese 581g.02/delay modification
Origin: Covenant Colonization vessel
RA 3h 17m 8.0s | Dec -62° 37′ 41.1″
Bounce Trajectory Amplification Source KG-348
>>> HD 10180 designate HEX-5
>>> Nu Octantis designate X-1, LV-138
>>> Plutonian Outpost H-3
I Moon Girl - Welcome you are. :)
Lawrence of Arabia - :)
'The original anthology is nobody listens to Ripley'
They take her back but nobody listens to her. True! :)
BigDave - I shared this because of the info about the planets. I knew you would find it interesting.
RA 3h 17m 8.0s | Dec -62° 37′ 41.1″ -- It is written right after the ship's name, so it is the location of the ship, isn't it? So Covenant was in the Hydrus when David started the first item of the transmissions revealed in the Advent video.
This definitely would have cleared a lot up and closed the movie out better for those who are just watching the movie on it's own, and not big Alien fans.
I like how David completely changes after Shaw points out that Weyland is dead and David can do whatever he wants. Would have been funny to find out that this statement alone is what caused David to lose it and start trying to create the perfect organism.
BigDave David touches things is what I dubbed the prequels lol The original anthology is nobody listens to Ripley
I will get back latter to replies to people on here...
But i will add my TWO Cents at what Logically we will be seeing.
*It appears David is off to Origae-6 and its likely we will not see Davids Shenanigans on the Covenant, we may get some Flash Backs, we may get some Prologue Video, but i think the Next Movie will be a Aftermath one like how in AC we never see the events from when David and Shaw Leave LV-223 and then prior to the Covenant arriving 10 years latter, apart from the Bombardment Scene and the odd bit of dialog from David.
I think the next movie we will see David has Fooled the Colonists to begin setting up a New World, on Origae-6 before David then unleashes his Hidden Agenda.
This would mean Most of the next movie would be set up to 10 years before ALIEN
*Ridley Scott confirms there will be 3-4 Players involved in the next movie, and the Viral Material seems to show David has contacted the Company and so we will have a incoming W-Y Mission, we will have a Colony Set up on Origae-6 and RS also confirmed the Engineers arrive on Planet 4/Paradise to find it Decimated and no doubt would want to find the Culprits.
*The Engineers will return, but how would they know where David is going, we dont know how long after the David leaves Planet 4, before the Engineers arrive but i would assume they arrive 10 years latter or so, and the Logical Way they find out where David is going is via WALTER
*Fassbender will not play the role of David with just One Hand, and so he will repair himself with Spare Parts on the Covenant and this will help him to Pull the Wool over the Eyes of the Colonist (Lambs). Ridley Scott is a fan of the AI and i think he will surely have more Androids in the next movie, or at very least he Builds a Walter or Walter Returns.
*Ridley Scott has said we have yet to arrive at the Bio-Mechanical Alien, and Alien Covenant is the start of Who/When and Why the Beast was Created and so DAVID is the Creator... but i am sure something will be shown before we get to ALIEN how the Xenomorph in AC Evolves to the one we see in ALIEN and somehow you can bet a Merging of Organic and Mechanical Aesthetic has to come into play. This is Sci-Fi and so we cant be all "thats impossible" and maybe they will explore the Synthetic Constructs like Elden was in the Fire and Stone Comics... if Walter is not one already. But then a accident that Merges Black Goo + Eggs + Mechanical Engineer Ships could also be explored.. i would assume.
*David only has TWO Face Huggers, they could show us he managed to sneak a Ampoule of Black Goo, otherwise the route to Thousands of Xenomorph Eggs would have to be via Xenomorph Procreation, which means maybe EGG-MORPH or QUEEN and maybe Queen does not have to mean a Xeno-Queen, as a Queen could simply be the using of a Females Egg Cells to Produce Eggs... but this may need David to Experiment with the Face Hugger DNA or use Black Goo, if he does neither then indeed a Egg-Morph or Traditional Queen is the likely explanation (but i dont think RS will go all Camerons Queen?)
*The Aftermath will likely see Engineers arrive, the Company arrive and Xenomorphs on the loose, and at some point Davids then Evolved Eggs end up on a Engineer Ship which has to be from the Engineers who are incoming... Maybe these Engineers see the Potential in Davids Experiments? Maybe David can enter some Covenant with the Engineers.
I think the Engineers will load up one of their Ships with the Eggs and then set off to LV-223 maybe to use the Outpost to Experiment on Davids Creation because he had FOUND the Perfection they could not with their Deacon.
There is a more Lazy Route though.... that would be Chest Busting Queen comes from a Engineer as he sets off to LV-223 to Destroy the Place, but gets infected at some point and the Chest Buster Queen lays those Eggs.
So i estimate the Derelict to be on LV-426 for between 5-8 years.
I know this wont sit well with many..
Ingeniero, I just noticed this which has probably been covered plenty elsewhere, so thanks. Did Shaw actually find glyphs that translate to "MEET YOUR MAKER?"
Yes, 2 great points above BigDave.
"all to Symbolism the Importance of Ritual, for some they are a sign of coming of Age, or a Right of Passage, some they are to Ward off Evil and Offer Protection"
I thought the lines on the Engineer faces looked ceremonial as well.
"Doing this came at a Cost, as it meant the Race had then lost the Ability to Procreate, as there was less need for it. Such is the Cruel Nature of Evolution, and Price.
So the Sacrificial Scene was a attempt for this Race to Rectify this, having lost the ability to Procreate they had to come up with more inventive ways to Seed/Create Life."
That is great. The plot to wipe Earth clean revealed on LV-223 could just be because of jealousy.
The Engineers were realizing the cost of their choices over time and then became jealous of humanity because humans were able to reproduce without the involvement of a facehugger or the enjoyment of melting themselves with black goo.
This point also tends toward the story of the Watcher Angels who grew tired of their heavenly existence once they saw the human women on Earth and the angels left their first estate to rebel and chase said women.
All of this goes back to "who" attacked the Engineers on LV-223 and "why".
This is why we need to Advance our AI lol
This is very interesting...
its a little odd though, it appears the Signal is being sent from Location to Location before it reaches its Destination, much like how our Internet Traffic Hops between place to place, when we post anything on line and the same with Mobile Communications the Transmission/Data does not arrive from Source to Destination in one Straight Line so to speak.
The Signal boost starts from Gliese 581g which is about 20LY from Earth... however who knows the importance of this.
RA 3h 17m 8.0s | Dec -62° 37′ 41.1″
Seem to point in the area of Hydrus
Bounce Trajectory Amplification Source KG-348 is actually the location of the Sevastopol Station in the Game Alien Isolation and its located in Zeta 1 Reticuli and so about 37-39LY away
HD 10180 is Located in the Hydrus constellation about 127LY away
Nu Octantis designate (LV-138) is a Star system located in constellation Octans some 72LY away
Then the signal reaches Plutonian Outpost which i assume is a Outpost near Pluto.
so its a bit of a odd path to take..
Nice to hear that a kid favorite movie is Alien. VivisectedEngineer now let's play this movie to your whole class. :D
If we can add a Neomorph kill, then I would vote for Walter's 5-Finger Death Punch in the wheat field!
I think we are a long way off from it being a Threat...
As far as to Mankind, but evolving AI to make decisions on the Battle Field is very risky, a Computer Program should not be allowed to make such decisions on Who is to Die, What and When to attack.
Drones are Piloted by Humans, and i think once we Evolve AI so that Drones can be Autonomous we have to seriously consider the implications of this, as it is Human Emotions and Moral Compass that determines when to pull the Trigger, and a lot of Collateral damage is via Human Error, something Autonomous drones would reduce, but then when Faced with a Program to Destroy a Target and then some Innocent people are at the location (Human Shields) that Intelligence suggested their would be none... A Human could have the option to Abort... a AI would maybe proceed with the Mission.
But indeed once we get to the Point of Creating Advanced Computers like MUTHUR or the Star Trek Computers and Androids like David or Data... the risk of these AI becoming Sentient and seeing themselves as Superior to Humans could indeed be the Biggest Threat to Mankind.
This is something explored in the Terminator Franchise, and The Matrix...
And it appears this could be something that Ridley Scott is fond of exploring within the Franchise.
Thanks for posting these! Great pictures. A lot to sift through to spot little things.
I'm still leaning towards the black goos being the same, just different amounts ingested/applied. It seems to immediately enter the blood turning the veins black, then they sort of dissolve releasing the black particles back into the air to move on while the DNA and body are broken down.
Well the Lines and Writing on some of the Head Statues have to have some importance.
We have to look at Earth Cultures for similar things, in which some tribes Marking (Scars) and Tattoos on the Face are used to mean a number of things, depending on the Culture/Tribe but they are all to Symbolism the Importance of Ritual, for some they are a sign of coming of Age, or a Right of Passage, some they are to Ward off Evil and Offer Protection but i am not sure this fits with what we see in Prometheus/Alien Covenant.
They could be to mark beings of higher Importance, looking at the whole purpose in Prometheus/Alien Covenant it appears to be a reminder to those who encounter these Statues about the Purpose of Origin, Sacrifice and so to show case the Bravery/Sacrifice and Role of these beings in the Creation/Evolution of their kind.
As far as the whole GOD/Jesus and Father/Son i think we need to not read too much into One Culture, but it is important to consider the relationship of the Sacrificial Scene.
From Alien Engineers, the idea was there was this Ancient Race who have Evolved and Engineered themselves past the need to Procreate, and are able to Live very Long Lives, they are not IMMORTAL but due to Genetic Engineering they indeed have Vastly Greater Life Expectancy and do not (i assume) suffer from many Diseases and Disorders that can have a Drastic Effect on the Life Expectancy of a Human.
Doing this came at a Cost, as it meant the Race had then lost the Ability to Procreate, as there was less need for it. Such is the Cruel Nature of Evolution, and Price.
So the Sacrificial Scene was a attempt for this Race to Rectify this, having lost the ability to Procreate they had to come up with more inventive ways to Seed/Create Life.
This changed a bit with Prometheus, and Ridley Scott said these beings could create life in other ways, and the Sacrificial Scene was just the way they chose to do it.
so its all pretty open to debate really, as far as the whole Purpose of Creation etc, as we can clearly see those beings on Planet 4 have Females.. but the Question is is this via the Sacrificial Scene, and so if we go back to the time of the Sacrificial Scene, was there any Females on Paradise?
Who knows.. my personal theory is they attempted to use the Sacrificial Scene to eventually allow for the creation of Females so they then can breed with these and so Break the Curse of not being able to Procreate.
So i think Child Birth and Females are very important to the Engineers, and this could explain why those beings on Paradise look a bit different, they are in effect Hybrids.
This also i think explains why the Engineers on LV-223 held the Life-Cycle of the Xenomorph Related Organisms in High Regard, as it was another way these beings could Carry and Give Birth to New Life.... a Perverted Pregnancy of sorts.
Indeed Kethol...
i came across those in the draft too, i had always pondered what purpose the Cathedral Dome Device was when we saw the Trailers, to me i wondered if it was some kind of Safety Device that Activated to Prevent the Black Goo infection and resulted in those bodies looking the way they did...
And also would explain maybe the crashing of the Juggernaught.
But alas after the movie was out it appeared this may not have been the case and with the draft and comments by Hatton/Hallet etc then its clear this is not the case.
As far as Solar Power goes we can see a number of other objects in the city that are Reflective and Gold and so i would assume there are a number of these over the City, but that does not mean the Central Cathedral cant be some kind of Power Station.
So when having to ignore the effects of those Burnt like Bodies being caused by a Safety Device (unless the Scorpion Docking Ship activated something). Then we have to accept the Urns either are activated differently and so the effects are different or coming into contact with the Protective Shield changed the effects of the Bombardment.
@Cerulean Blue
The Tentacle like things, i would have to assume (until September the 18th) that this is the Black Goo Replicating itself inside the Hosts and then escaping from the Host and Forming together to then seek out another Target.
It appears the Black Goo Nano Particles (well just how its made up) seems to be able to move/swarm together to create what look like Shapes... The Motes did the same when Ledwood Stood on the Spore, they seemed to look like having some kind of Shape as it appeared to swim through the air and zone in onto its Target.
Some there is some kind of Intelligent/Instinctive design in how the Bio-Weapon seems to Swarm together, and i think this is why we see those Shapes.
Very similar to how the Water is Manipulated to Form Shapes in the movie The Abyss
Its still all pretty confusing to some due to the way AC handled the Black Goo, because Prometheus and if we also look at Alien Engineers Draft would have gave us these Options.
1) Engineers are mutated and evolve into Hybrid Organisms.
*which latter may cause the Engineers to break down/turn into Black Liquid/Nothing.
2) The Engineers simply start to break down and turn into Black Liquid/Nothing.
3) The Engineers start to Produce Tiny Worm-like Organisms that then maybe consume the Engineers to Black Liquid/Nothing.
It appears Alien Covenant has simply added that the Black Goo under certain circumstances just appears to infect a Targets DNA and instead of breaking down their DNA or Mutating it, the Black Goo simply Atomizes the Molecules turning them into some kind of Crystalline/Siliconized solid molecules.
Yet it also replicates itself inside and then escapes/leaves the infected Hosts Body.
So a different effect to what Prometheus showed us.. I can only assume the Neomorphs and related infected Life are the result of maybe some of the Replicated Black Goo from the Targets ending up infecting the Planet.
Or more likely some Urns leaking after the Crash and contaminating the Water, which in turn contaminated growing Mold/Fungi that grew near by the Water Stream running down the Mountain and under the Juggernaught.
Where there is Moss/Algae by the side of the areas this water runs trough, we end up with Infected Black Goo Mold/Fungi which then gives rise to the Spore Sacks.
I would assume Davids other experiments also included using the Substance stored within the Glass Vials within the Urns too.
@ Sothoth, again why are you directing that question at me? I never said there were any insects in the bombing scene.
You are most welcome drucea.
The "spokes" may just be dressing the mountain after cutting out a scoop of it to build the temple and courtyard complex. They could be avalanche control after harvesting so much rock from the bottom of the slope.
So this is how we know what happened on LV-223, right? Not chest-bursters & Xenomorphs, just the exploding black goo?
I've been reading all your debate, guys, very interesting one.
Concerning the black goo bombing: I do think that it being "drops of black goo" raining down on the Engineers would make much more sense, BUT - when I watch the scene, it seems clear to me that it's something more like an insectoid form or whatever, kind of flying towards that poor bald citizens. I say that not only because of the way the black goo behaves towards them, but also because of the reaction of the Engineers, the way they try to "take it off" of them, the way they run...
@Daliens - "How can you alter an organic life form to become biomechanical?"
Most organic life forms are already biomechanical. What Hox said is correct. "Biomechanical" is just a term used to describe Giger's art style. In the real world, the study of functions and structures of biological systems that use 'mechanics' is called "biomechanics". The mechanics part of the term refers to motion and forces on parts of biological objects.
Say you wanted to study how a human elbow joint works with the muscles and ligaments that allow it to move. That's biomechanics. If you look at a lot of David's drawings and notes, in many instances he was studying the biomechanics of those organisms.
@Joylott - I consider what is on the short "The Advent" to be canon, but in there David mentions that the pathogen is a form of radical AI, which would lead some to believe it is DNA mixed with something artificial."
He also says it is "primordial ooze", ripe with advanced "nano particles", operating off on an algorithm based on "evolutionary computing". Those are all real world terms. Primordial ooze is organic compounds and amino acids. Nanoparticles are used in genome editing and gene recombination to re-write DNA. Evolutionary computing uses algorithms based on biological evolution to organize amino acid sequences and protein structures in DNA in an intelligent, pre-determined way.
The pathogen can intelligently adapt to resistance to these DNA coding algorithms and write new algorithms insanely fast. Radical. Since it was created artificially by the Engineers (we assume) I think David just sees it as both 'artificial' and 'intelligent'.
That's my take on it anyway. It seems the writers have actually thought things through and are not just pulling sciency terms off the internet to make it sound like they do.
Do you have photo evidence of those tendrils being still on the engineer corpses after they died? If so, I will admit you're right.
Should make them watch John Carpenters The Thing that will give them Nightmares ;)
I remember i watched Alien for the first time and i was about 9 years old lol... did not see it as a really bad horror but just one very interesting movie.
Thanks for the pic Ingeniero. Interesting aspect, I wonder why they put the lines, even in the side of the mountain.
I think Scott is the only director that could really expand this universe in a very thought provoking way. The other director's movies just don't have enough depth for me.
@Yog Sothoth - I kind of wish Holloway had been allowed to explode!! HAHA!!!
I don't think the black "tendrils" shooting out of the bodies are creatures. They seem to be just the reaction from a large amount of black goo being ingested or however it entered the bodies. That amount seems to just cause a violent eruption from the host, then hardens into a charred looking material.
Great point dk.
Should any students answer "Alien 3 Assembly Cut" VivisectedEngineer...set that gifted child aside for special recognition.
Those black-bursters are the engineer version of trilobites. That's my best guess. I think Holloway would have suffered a similar effect if he didn't have sex. So would Fifield, if he didn't die.
My dog will continue to attack the vacuum cleaner no matter how many times he gets shown that it isn't alive. He will fake jump at it a lot like he's trying to get it to move or play with him. Sounds believable that the protomorph might have seen the claw as a live threat.
@ Thombach
Ok, take a super high resolution screen cap for me. Let me zoom in and see if I see any insects in the bombing scene. If I see any, I'll admit you are right.
The tentacled-looking black-bursters kind of look like face-huggers, do they not? I keep thinking they may have something to do with the eggs? What do you all think?
Great observation I Moon Girl.
To me, it did look like the xenomorph attacked the claw. The organism just had its teeth cleaned by Tennesse's rocket engine and shot at least twice by Daniels, so it did seem a little frantic to move in comparison to the xenomorph Daniels and Tennessee fought later on the Covenant.
All of the above paragraph makes me feel a little better For Close Encounters once I was able to convince myself that the scene was little more scientific opposed to artistic. No, slow moving crane claws shouldn't be able to capture a xenomorph but this xenomorph was really pissed after the rocket exhaust bath and appeared to make a wrong decision.
Great point daliens. It did look like the Protomorph healed in a second from the left shoulder shot.
The left shoulder shot wasn't visible when it was later shot in the right shoulder. And, the sentry weapon gif is spectacular. Thank you.
"first created by David based mainly on the fauna from Paradise, probably that's the reason he is running on all four, like the dog alien from Alien3, even his feet remind me of the dog alien."
Yes, this xenomorph (Protomorph in Alien: Covenant) reminds me of the "Dragon" in Alien 3 (below). Another great point daliens.
I'm glad you doubt that, but why was it directed at me? I did not say either.
Screen size makes a huge difference in the level of detail you can see, which is why I asked.
Nice! You can test their mettle by asking which cut of Alien was better, why or why not, and how it changed the franchise- in proper essay form!
screw the colonists hahaha
thanks again iraptus
@ Thombach
I doubt having different screen sizes changes what is intended by the production team. Drops of black goo are not insects.
