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hox let's be patient,  David will explain the faster than light travel speed after he will finish with the biomechanical xenomorph. 

He is so clever.

I thought this was about the Xeno killing humans

both of mine are from the second movie.  Firstly, the one that gets crushed under the APC and secondly the one that gets shot by Ripley (as she protects Newt & gets a bit thrown back by the gun's backlash herself) during the attack in the Medlab.  And in fact, shortly after this, Vasquez holding her ground with grenades was rather cool too

Alien 3 molten lead- I think the sucked out into space deaths are more than done to death.

I agree with the questioning in a general sense too but alas it's just nitpicking but I'll bite. When she grabs and traps the xeno it's actually kinda centered still over top the lifter and not massively off balance! Why does she know to MOVE the crane arm WAY out the side to SQUISH the xeno=so the plot could continue with the lander now being off balanced & out of control=more action. To the point of the thread, it's meant to haul mega heavy STUFF into high gravity so why is it struggling with just 600 pounds of human/Android and an extended crane arm? My only guess was for it making sense was the lifter was only used for low gravity outer space repairs but then I don't see how that massive Colony ship was going to scream into an earthlike atmosphere and land without a runway or busting up into pieces? Maybe it entered the colony planet and broke into sections with giant parachutes. Not bad action but when Daniels is shooting from the winch rope and then briefly running/dragging on the ground while still on the rope and still holding onto the gun was cringeworthy thus belonging to Micheal Bay film.

I may be missing something, but David had a full Engineer civilization to experiment with. Even after the bombardment, he was able to even have one in his lab - why wasn't he experimenting with the pure/original Engineer DNA as well? (Or was he?)

Something a xenomorph learns while in primary school: airlocks are bad for health! #1 for me.

That's pretty cool stuff gang, good catch Dave. They are somebody and could be family, a real head scratcher 

@IRaptus

He promised that, but then when she went to throw herself into the incinerator, didn't he shout something like "Nooo! Think of all we could learn from it!" ???

...I have a strong feeling he didn't go to all that trouble of recovering it just to destroy it.

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The 'rules of the universe' got trashed in this series in 1979, when they started travelling faster than light. Just roll with it.

Yea if you slow it down, it jumps into the jaws, begins clawing at it and whipping it with it's tail

What the eff lol

I agree with Elon Musk on this point. In fact i would go even further than him and be very cautious about anything AI related. What if an advanced no military AI civil finds out that it is superior to human in any possible way, and that human are either a threat for him or holding it back, what would prevent the so called AI to try anything possible to get rid of us ?

By for example developping deadly nanobots or triggering a nuclear war ?

We are talking of non human intelligence with limitless potential which could be no cluttered by moral or any kind of mercy !

Nice topic indeed.

1 and 4 are my favorites. And I would add to your list one more:

hox well, David and the writers should get to work already if they want to convince somebody that David created this beauty

If thay cannot explain it in a reasonable way and expect us to believe that David is so clever and he simply can defy the rules of the universe, better leave it unexplained in the realms of fantasy and blame it on the engineers. 

David may die by the hand or teeth of his own creation,  the Protomorph.

Now he opened a way for a future film, Protomorph  vs. Xenomorph. 

@daliens, strictly speaking, biomechanical relates to 'the mechanical laws concerning the movement or structure of living organisms'. However, the term is used to describe Giger's art, where his creations often blend into machine-like forms.

Since it's purely in the realms of fantasy (at this stage at least!) we have no idea how a creator would achieve such in thing in practical terms. Having said this, David is so clever that he might be able to figure it out if he has something to work with already.

The Protomorph was no longer bleeding when was trying to break the glass? Did he heal himself?

Was the self repairing specific to the engineers' world or it was something that David added to the formula?

Fungus... haha. I like that answer.

Ah, that's why I don't remember! It's been a long time since I watched Alien3. Thanks for telling me.

The Xeno attacked the claw. That Xeno was trying to fight that claw. I think many animals would try to attack the claw because they thought it might be another animal. The Xeno's not stupid, but was just mistaken.

For Close Encounters that's not the smartest alien, being the first created by David based mainly on the fauna from Paradise, probably that's the reason he is running on all four, like the dog alien from Alien3, even his feet remind me of the dog alien. The Protomorph is nothing like the Big Chap and when the script was written they were well aware.

However the Protomorph is not worse than the "bugs" from Aliens who were running like idiots against the automatic sentry rifles. 

@ IIapagokc,

Sorry for the delayed response, if you haven't already be sure to check out the Hadleys Hope Aliens: Isolation proposal I posted on my Gaming Blog, as well as its Facebook page. IMO the ideas there would be a good jumping off point for the gameplay.

Kethol I want to understand what is a biomechanical organism like the xenomorph and possibly the engineers from LV223. How can you alter an organic life form to become biomechanical?

Can David arrive to such outcome with his limited means and knowledge?

To get his organic Protomorph play basketball and sing, maybe, but to make it biomechanical?

Yes. As I recall it, the Protomporph had a bit of a snarl at the opening crane mouth before he had a go at it. Maybe not the smartest of Aliens, his aggression got the better of him.

The cargo lift had reduced maneuverability as it was meant only to transfer the heavy machinery from the ship to the ground. It was basically a platform with 2 engines at the stern and 4 vertical thrusters at the corners. Plus the cargo crane. It was not designed to maneuver in a city or a plaza packed with statues. The controls of the cargo lift were also very basic in design to allow easy maintenance without some electronic spare parts. Tennessee was actually struggling to maneuver the cargo lift due to said reasons even though he was a good pilot.

The Protomorph attacked the crane because it threatened to push him off the platform. And Daniels used the crane because she was out of ammo and also had to distract the alien who was bumping his head into the windows and any crack was dangerous when the cargo lift would have been out of the atmosphere again, they did not have the suits with them. 

Kethol In defence of Daliens I must say that the Alien franchise is not precisely known for being scientifically orthodox. Furthermore, not that I consider what is on the short "The Advent" to be canon, but in there David mentions that the pathogen is a form of radical AI, which would lead some to believe it is DNA mixed with something artificial. If I am not mistaken there was an Alien 3 script that introduced the idea of a synthetic getting infected by alien DNA.

Daliens, I think you may not understand what DNA is, or what David or Walter are. DNA is a nucleic acid that stores genetic instructions inside the cells of all living organisms.

David and Walter are androids, made of plastics, polymers, alloys, and microprocessors. They are not made of living cells containing molecules of DNA. They are machines.

Actually it is explained at one point in the movie; Daniels, Tennessee and Upsworth deliberate about whether the cargo lift can work or not for what they intend to do. Tennesse is very skeptic about it. I think its simply a vehicle that is not good  for maneuvering.

I Moon Girl 

Is this the best Xeno kill of the franchise?

hmmm that gives me an idea for tomorrows questionnaire :) 

hahah that awesome VivisectedEngineer, all us uncool old farts watching these films O_O

Yea but it was unstable way before the crane was deployed!

I mean it narrowly misses several columns, Tennessee says he's beginning his ascent and he it crashes into and scrapes along the roof of the temple, then comes down the other side, almost at ground level, all before the scene with the crane/grappler.

And yea, the alien makes a point of jumping into the claw and attacking it.

For Close Encounters I think it is a leap of faith on behalf of Daniels. She assumes that the xenomorph is going to feel threatened and attack the crane, as it it was another beast maybe. Of course it is too much assuming, because she just met the xenomorph.

I Moon Girl  "Plus, if Carter J. Burke is involved, he's probably the reason I'm all alone in a shipping container with a dead facehugger.  That just seems like his kind of style to me."

Good Point, that does sound like something he would do lol.

Michael Weyland is the company rep that looks like Bishop. Him and a security crew shows up to Fiorina 161 at the end of Alien 3 to try and convince Ripley to surrender her Queen chestburster. Promises they will remove it and destroy it. She didn't believe him..... 

No. Because no huge, slow moving claw should have ever captured the xeno. They are much to quick, agile, elusive, stealthy, smart to be caught by that. Lazy writing.  Very disappointing aspect of the whole film.    Why be scared, just use huge slow moving cranes to kill them.   Dumb.

Yeah. And the fact the the alien couldn't evade the claw is moronic

@I Moon Girl

A therapist is nothing to be embarrassed about :) But, I know what you mean though. I don't tell everyone that I see a therapist. I tell friends but not coworkers. Not cab drivers whom I've just met, either.

Recently I was going to my therapist by cab. My therapist works in a multi-story office building and the driver asked me what kind of appointment I had there.

"A doctor's appointment." I said. And, he was super nosy, asking me what kind/what for. So I just said "Fungus." Mostly because...I was super annoyed at his pushiness and nosiness, lol.

Anyhow, I love how we've once again evolved a conversation about androids into a discussion of philosophy and human psychology.

That is the beauty of Science Fiction.

Good night. :)

David has only 2 facehuggers now and no pathogen. If the facehuggers are the same he used on Oram and Lope he cannot hope to get a biomechanical xenomorph even if he uses all 2000 colonists. The best he can get is a bipedal Protomorph, after a long cycle of facehugging and chestbursting.  And now, without any pathogen the only chance to mix his synthetic DNA (or whatever gets close to that meaning) with the alien DNA is to get facehugged himself.

The second chance is to have Walter facehugged after their fight and to get a biomechanical xenomorph out of it, something that would fill with eggs the hold of one of the Juggernauts in the underground hangar. In this way, when the engineers return to Paradise one of them would try to fly the Juggernaut and so he becomes the Space Jockey. 

I have one miniaturized Big Chap just in front of my eyes and there is no way such design can be the result of 2 facehuggers and 2000 colonists. Even if we have 2 androids to play with, this xenomorph looks more like the engineers' technology. It's all tubes and looks more mechanical than biological,  not hard to imagine that his skeleton is mechanical as well. 

Well said OP

I'm all for expanding on David and the Engineers, but Aliens fans not wanting to see a Xeno in an Alien movie? Woulda never believed it if I didn't see it with my own eyes...

@VivisectedEngineer

I said no because I felt embarrassed and I just didn't want to spend my money on that.  I have been called cheap before, so maybe that's why I don't want to spend my money on that.

"Well, I think therapists can be very useful, in that, they are meant to teach you practical skills you can apply even when they're not around."

I do agree they can be.  Not that I know from experience, but it just makes sense from reading about their kind of work.

@VivisectedEngineer

Curses and the nothing but the finger!