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Great video & great analysis!!

Very interesting and very well written ;)

Some seems in part like what i was touching upon with regards to some ideas that HR Giger had, and i do think going the route that the Engineers were part of a Sacrificial Horrific Agenda and they created Mankind as a means to replace them in this role so they would be free from such Toil... is something i think FOX should consider.

Not sure if this is what you was hinting at though as i could have misinterpreted your work a little...  As it appears you could be hinting at some Pact David could enter with the Engineers.

I do think this is something they could have explored, where David makes a Covenant with the Engineers, where Dr Shaw is used as part of this Pact... and she would be used to a Horrific Agenda... which by taking part in, she would Truly get the Answers she was seeking.

In part this is where i was hoping a Prometheus 2 would take us, and in part its one of the 2-3 ways i was going to explore the whole Creation Agenda and connection to the Xenomorph in the Prometheus 2 draft i worked on but abandoned.

Jonesy what was finally the point of Charlize Theron being in Prometheus? 

Ms. Vickers was an android and will be sent by Weyland-Yutani to confront David in the next movie?

Prometheus!

And who runs this series? Fox or the director?

There is no way I'd direct a film.....Fox would be in way...It'd be Fox's vision not mine. Why would any director want that!?

It's why Cameron made Avatar...His series....He has 100% control. Probably too late for Ridley to start his own 'Avatar'.

lol joylitt, I still love Prometheus, but sometimes I feel the dialogue a little bit stupid. The film creates a bigger universe and timeline which I really appreciate. However, as a movie viewing experience, I enjoy Covenant more. 

Thanks for sharing...

Interesting read i had to stop half way as i got to shoot out some place but will have a good look latter.

This saved the Blu Ray purchase for me. The deleted scenes were absolutely pointless in my opinion. They didn't need to film any of them in the first place.

That rant aside... Advent was a welcome addition. As far as the Engineer's "wolf" is concerned... I think David may have been referring to the original xenos? I think the guy in the video was referring to the Engineers found in Prometheus who were tasked with the distribution of the black goo, but I don't see why David's referred wolf (the xeno?) would be any different than the banished Engineer wolf. After all, David is not the original creator of the xeno... and neither were the Engineers for that matter. The mystery continues...

My first post on the forums :) Nice to finally contribute.

I love it. That video nailed pretty much every reason I like Prometheus.

Carry on.

Knee jerk reactions towards movies always happen.

Nostalgia will kick in for all the Alien movies....I've seen it happen for just about any movie series or stand alone. Good or bad...the ratings will start to climb and in 20 years Alien:Covenant will be a misunderstood masterpiece. Just like Alien3....Alien: Resurrection is 61% on Google and that will continue to climb...........

COVENANT

Interesting. You should go on as it is already way more entertaining that what i saw in Covenant !

Carry On?  I thought we had that with Alien Covenant?  "you blow, and i will do the fingering" those who know the Carry on Movies Innuendo will get that reference.

I do think they have to Carry on but Re-boot some elements well they need to change some things.. 

@IRaptus

Thanks ;) and i totally agree with your points...

I think they have to continue, but then they have to get back to something different and more Horrific.

Lets look at the Hierarchy of Creation as seen in the movies from the Latter to the Prior.

*Xenomorph Davids Creation so it seems... but i wish to concentrate on the Elements prior to this and so here it goes.

*DAVID a creation by Mankind intended only to Serve and Perform Certain Tasks, so that Mankind does no longer have to Perform such Chores...   Too Much Free-will and Emotion given to the Android and he then feels he is superior and mistreated and Rebels.

*MANKIND a creation of the Engineers,  maybe we can ponder our purpose to the Engineers is similar to the Purpose Mankind created the Engineers.  Certain Mythos seems to follow a route of Mankind being created to replace a previous rebellious creation...  The Annunaki/Igigi and God/Angels.  And here we have Mankind who gain some Knowledge and Awareness not intended that causes us to become rebellious and well to start to not obey or see the Creators as superior to us. 

A continuation of exactly what then happens with David.

*ENGINEERS The Gods or are they?  Maybe indeed we are seeing the same pattern as above and the Engineers are merely another Humanoid Race Created by another Race to serve a Purpose and these Engineers then also became rebellious to their creators etc.

Thus the Engineers = Igigi and Angels

So i would Propose a few more layers of this continuous Creator, Creation, Rebellion and Sub-Creation.

And i would reveal at the top or near the Top of the Chain is something else and something more Sinister, that could connect very much to the HR Giger Mural.

This Mural to me shows these Humanoid, almost Space Jockey like beings being used in a Ritual to Procreate the Xenomorph, where it seems to show the Ships produced the Eggs and the Ships are Genetically/Synthetically connected to the Xenomorph.

HR Giger had also worked on Face Hugger concepts and these showed Bald Human like beings being Face Hugged by a few different Face Hugger Designs and the suits worn by these beings are not to different to the LV-223 Engineers.

HR Gigers idea was also that the Egg Silo/Chamber actually Produced the Eggs via Bio-Mechanical Pregnant Bellies, and above these was where Gigers Mural was to go.

so i am pretty sure with Gigers work there is something we can revert back to...  and have the Engineers also merely being a Race Created for a Purpose.. a Sacrificial Purpose.

I vote carry on.

I don't think Alien with be remade any time soon.  In an interview, Ridley was asked if he would do anything different to Alien and he replied, "No. It's perfect."

Plus, Alien is all about the audience watching the whole process of the Xenomorph and being scared while watching it.  Most people already know since the movie was fairly popular and because it has been out for so long.  So, I really don't see how Alien could be successfully remade unless it is completely different than the original.

It's best just to leave it alone and carry on.  I think Ridley Scott would agree too.

I would say carry on, if i was confident that Ridley Scott could  stick to one vision. However with Covenant he proved that he can't and i am not sure that he won't mess up with the next movie(s) like he did with Covenant.

So i think that Fox should let Ridley finish the David Arc and remove the franchise from his hands as i think that he is cooked ! I personnaly think that some arc of the Alien EU which could make quite great movie, for example the DR church arc, but i am pretty sure that Ridley can't bring anything worthwhile to the franchise anymore.

Carry on 100%

Prometheus is more rewatchable for me.

Ever considered VR?

Is it possible in Unity?

Anyway, good luck with your awesome project!

Some interesting designs here, and so who knows

LOL DK indeed.

The Pretzel ships i do believe were some of the concepts they was going to use instead of the Pebble like Ship we got for the Seeding Scene.

In the Earlier Spaights draft they was just Flying Pyramids

Prometheus

Jonesy you make me wanna step on your tail!

Covenant

Prometheus

ohh tough one! 

Prometheus for me.

It might be the case that those suits being worn by the crew, are quite protective, made of tough material, and Milburn thought he would be safe from any possible bites or anything. He thought it would be fun to show off and pet the Hammerpede, but he had no idea of the savage, arm snapping attack it would unleash on him.

Respectfully disagree although I can agree with the narrator who stated that the point they were trying to make is there is no point. There is also the whishy washy "because I choose to believe" aspect.  This video reinforces my refusal to re watch my dusty blue ray. If you like it- cool! I do not.

@ Hox

Well by that argument....every film you watch is a mystery..because most films include humans...humans were formed by evolution...but we don't know exactly how life started. And we don't know what caused the "Big bang" which started the universe we all live in. Every story is a huge mystery....wow.

I think the mysteries that were presented in the original Alien movie have now been solved. Of course you can keep asking an infinity of questions behind those questions. But that will take forever to explain lol.

David was one of the great thing about Prometheus, which is a terrific movie. The above video does a pretty good job of explaining things to those who suffer from hard of understanding.

@Yog, the Engineer universe is expansive, and it's barely been touched upon. Perhaps you're not a fan of history. Call that a circle if you like, but it's a circle I want to see explored in much more detail. A civilisation that spans the entire galaxy can get up to a lot of interesting stuff, with a lot of interesting history. I'd like to know more. Before even starting with...

God means different things to different people. The ancient alien civilisations in Contact made use of technology developed by a race long since gone. Likewise, we have no idea who engineered the Engineers. I'd like to know. What else did they get up to? Did they face evolutionary warfare, like most forms of life? Did they look like elephants, inspiring mimicry in their creations' reverence? Did the Engineers find the original goo in a green crystal, and if so who put it there and why? There are endless big questions and possibilities.

cool!

"Who the hell is Branson?" seems the bigger question. Not seeing anything EXCEPT the movie, no one would know.

That said, I saw the Prologue etc and think the cartoon is reaaly good- thanks for sharing.

You're not going to make me draw a picture are you lol XD

mmmm i could go a pretzel too now you mention it.

IRaptus

Not sure about genitalia but the 3rd and 4th somehow make me want to eat pretzels.

My EYES!

is it just me or does that first one look like a cross section of genitalia, could be either male or female.

The Flying Phallus  

Thanks- nice video. It is also nice to hear GLADOS ask questions lol!

33 minutes too long. 

Just read the novel if you need more details. 

I vote Carry On

I always liked that big tanker model- it was huge but we only ever saw less than ten people on board. That is fascinating to me.