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Not sure what you mean. Both neomorphs looked identical as adults. They looks different as they grow, and both were shown growing at different stages in the movie since they were not both born at the same time, so perhaps that is what you are seeing.

Ridley said something about the neomorphs being more vulnerable because of the human DNA, which is why they have soft skin like a human instead of a hard shell like the xenomorph version.

I object to 3. It's still open whether the engineers or David created the xeno.

What makes you think the derelict Juggernaut in Alien "crashed"? Ridley said it landed. It may have been a forced landing, but it landed.

Ridley has also said we are several movies away from Alien, so the next one won't directly link to Alien. There may never be a direct link to that specific ship.

The Dreadnought in Covenant did not crash either according to the novel. At least that is the conclusion Walter comes to when he realizes David has been lying to him.

Filtering elements out of the atmosphere to use for mass and...snorkeling.

I call this one; David, by David, by me, it's really just a sketch so it isn't that good lol

Thoughts_Dreams, then David is too flawed in his logic to acknowledge this. Moreover i guess that if his creator/father was not insane, and yes i think that Weyland is insane, David would not be such as mad entity. 

I will totally be in agreement that it would be so good to see an Ultramorph in all its glory. Hope they stick to the size it was intended to be too. Another variation.

Does anyone think that IF A:A leads directly into Alien there are still so many events to cover it is going to be an impossible task ? 

We know they cant answer all the questions they posed but we will require a certain amount due to A:C lacking in that department

Ah, this game is one of my favorites and I am close to platinum trophy for it. The trophy I need to have is to NOT die by the alien. But anyway, the plot itself is good and the characters were good. I liked Ripley and I kind of shipped her and Samuels together because I think he cared for her a little bit. I also have the DLC were you can play as one of the original crew members from Alien in trying to expel the alien from the ship.

In my opinion, this game very much plays like the original movie. It was scary and you had to use your logic to outsmart the beast. This basically was a stealth game because there was really no way to kill the beast. This game is a must if you're a gamer and a fan of the original movie. 

The only problem I can see with this being a movie is that maybe it would be too slow for the general audience. It would have to made more 'action-y'. I don't think Alien wouldn't have had the same impact today and as it did back in the day. Most people I've spoken to like Aliens better than Alien because the reasoning being it was more action. It was more exciting. I always say to them that I thought Alien was better because the feeling of hopelessness is what made the movie scary. I think this would be the same issue for Isolation because this game very much relied on stealth.

Yes it was flawed from the start. Its just when you look at it from the average fans point of view, we have a derelict crashed in A:C and when A:A gets here, guess what ? Yes. ANOTHER Jugganaut crashes into another Planet. Although it is totally plausible and will be what has to happen (If A:A leads to Alien) if you take a step back it is the same thing repeated. Centres around a different crashed Jugganaut in both films

Is that the best writing Fox could get? Especially when you consider the opened universe that Prometheus gave us.

TIMMY THE ULTRAMORPH - Excellent! I am pleased we are in agreement on this topic. :)

so pretty much, as long as it sticks to the source material it should be good? thanks. i agree.

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TIMMY THE ULTRAMORPH - Having played Alien: Isolation multiple times, I can say for certain: it would make an excellent film. However, whether or not it would actually be created as an excellent film would depend wholly upon the director and studio responsible for its creation. My only compunction with the proposal in general is that it might be too much in the vein of the Doom film from 2008. While the Doom video games are quite fun, the big screen adaptation deviated quite a lot from the core concepts of those games. In the end, I would want Amanda Ripley to be presented as she was in Alien: Isolation: a realistic human being in the midst of an utterly nightmarish series of events for which she is in no way prepared - not some super-heroine running about and killing hordes of aliens without a care in the world. :)

This is a good discussion, I Moon Girl .

I disagree with you though. I think Walter lacks creativity and independence, but not emotion.

The book lists several of his affinities and aversions. I don't think one can have affinities and aversions without experiencing emotions.

I'd like to look up page numbers and get back to you with citations (but I'm not promising anything, because I don't want to jinx myself again!) off-hand, I recall that he likes:

the sound of his own voice, to keep himself busy, the green-house, whistling, and the fact that Mother is programmed to be polite to him even though he is a synthetic.

He dislikes: a sense of helplessness.

He "felt good" about sweeping Daniels' hair out of her face (and questioned whether he felt good because he had served or because of a specific attachment to her.

I also recall, (despite no humans being present) he "smiled reflexively" when Daniels smiled in her sleep, also symptomatic of emotion.

The line that you mention, where Walter states "But we're not 'alive'" without the slightest hint of emotion doesn't mean that he never experiences emotion, he just doesn't resent being 'not alive' and it is not an emotional topic for him. He is not aspirational like David. He doesn't mind that he is made to serve humans, he's programmed to be satisfied with that lot in life.  

Bishop also displayed emotion - he was averse to going on a potentially suicidal mission stating something along the lines of "Believe me, I'd prefer not to. I may be synthetic but I'm not stupid". Bishop also pretty clearly exhibits some kind emotion when he's being ripped apart by the xeno queen (it seemed like pain or fear, either of which is logical to program into an android, or it will sustain a lot of damaged from not avoiding harmful situations). 

I am going to bed too. This is a good topic, and I hope we get to pick it back up sometime, without any further calamities happening in the interim! ...<_<

@Michelle

That would be drama and tragedy in the classical sense (with accompanying catharsis). :) The conflict (which needs a resolution) would then be centred on David and Shaw (love/trust/madness etc). There are quite a few allusions to Frankenstein (fitting with the continuation of the title: “The Modern Prometheus”) where Elizabeth (the name can’t be a coincidence, can it?) is in love with the mad scientist and perishes from his creation. Interesting also that Daniels takes over the conflict (from Shaw) with David, and that the ambiguity within David (good/bad) moves into two characters (Walter/David). Instead of one three-dimensional character, we get two two-dimensional, as it were.

Personally, I never considered Shaw getting the “infection”. Holloway was exposed to the pathogen and mutated, so Shaw received the mutated form of his seed (not the pathogen itself). In what way would the space jockey “save their creations”, Michelle? Why bring weapons of mass destruction on his “personal mission”? Couldn’t he just have been struck down by the deadly cargo on his way to eradicate mankind (which was the purpose of the loaded juggernaut on LV-223)? This would be their punishment for playing gods (hubris) - their own creation is their downfall (as in Frankenstein)?

Wasn't the Walter model rid of human emotions?  That's how I remembered it in the movie at least, but I could be wrong.  Something similar is described on p.208-209.  It seems in the novel, Walter's are not to be made so sophisticated and independent in thinking.  They are not allowed to create either, according to David.  There is a sentence on those pages that is interesting. "Walter's response was delivered without the slightest hint of emotion. He was simply stated a fact."  Plus, Walter doesn't believe that he loves Daniels.  It's simply duty to him (p.218).  He knows what love is too, so he might be able to recognize what that feels like.  I believe Walter when he was saying that he was just doing his duty.  It makes sense.  Bishop did his duty in Aliens.  Bishop and Walter seem to be similar.  Ash is probably similar too, but he was just corrupted.

I gotta get to bed now. Maybe I'll add more another day to this thread.

Lol! Aahhh...don't scare me I Moon Girl , I'm already quite traumatized as it is! Since the bat incident I've been huddled up in bed with my dismembered Bishop doll (who I rather like, because he looks as panicked as I normally feel - even when I've not been scratched by a bat). I go for my second rabies shot tomorrow T_T

As for Walter, I don't think his emotions are a defect and I don't think him developing feelings for Daniels was specifically triggered by his interaction with David.

Emotions are just...internal processes that cause one to gravitate toward or avoid certain experiences.

I think the synthetics are programmed to have emotions, albeit emotions that are generally useful for their programming.

It's much the same with humans - we evolved to have emotions that typically increase our chances of survival.

Our emotions usually cause us to do things that are safe and avoid things that are unsafe.

Android emotions (usually) cause them to do things that protect and serve humans and avoid thing that harm humans.

But, just like humans can make errors (fear evolved because it may cause us to avoid danger, but in some specific circumstances it may paralyze us from taking action to save ourselves, etc. )

Androids can also make errors - emotions that normally cause them to serve and protect humans (emotions like caring for humans, anger towards entities who endanger humans, etc.) could cause them to take the wrong course of action in specific circumstances.  

Walter is programmed by imperfect beings and he is imperfect. He is complex and made a miscalculation. I think all Walters are capable of emotion though, and in most normal circumstances their emotions probably make them charming and useful to their owners.

Okay.  I am just kidding!  Seriously!  I didn't touch the bat, but I did look closely at it just for me to be sure.  I wan't anywhere near touching it.  Don't worry.  I will be fine.

Ever heard of Sum 41?  It's the name of a bat disease because one of the member of the band Sum 41 died because of it.  That's him on the cover.  He later died.  True story!  He got that because the bat's decaying odor got in his eyes.  

I just remembered that fact after your last comment.

::sigh:: I could be trouble.

Dude OMG I Moon Girl O_O

PLEASE don't go back to look at it nor get near it in any way.

Seriously, I may die of guilt if you get rabies because of me. Seriously. Don't go investigate any bat like thing, ok? Can we both agree to just...stay inside and away from bats?

Like, seriously I Moon Girl , guilt is the worst thing for me, Ok? Like...the WORST WORST thing.

I have this big phobia that I have/will cause something terrible to happen to someone...so, if you went and put your face all up close and personal to a bat corpse because of my bat anecdote... like...guilt is going to come and stab me in the heart and I will worry about your well being to...like... an extremely excessive degree, every day for the rest of my life ok?

Have we not learned enough from Milburn and Oram, to not mess around with weird wild things...??

OMG, please be safe out there I Moon Girl, please be safe or I am seriously going to cry.

Did you put your face near the dead bat? PLEASE DON'T PUT YOUR FACE NOR ANY PART OF YOUR BODY NEAR THE DEAD BAT! I am worried about you now.

The thing with the novel (I don't remember what it was like in the beginning of the movie version), is that Walter is charming and protecting Daniels right from the beginning.  The more time he spends with her, the more he seems to like her.

 Maybe you can help me remember the timeline related to what I am about to say.

I can see Walter developing feelings for Daniels after his talk with David since I think David is more aware then he is programmed out to be.  Plus, David actually wants Walter to be more aware then he is programmed out to be.  The problem is, I can't remember in the book when Walter is starting to show feelings for Daniels while on "Paradise" and when his conversation with David took place.

The point I am getting at here is this... If Walter has feelings for Daniels without David's lessons, what does that say for ALL Walter's on Earth.  If one Walter is capable of becoming more aware than his programming in a span of a few weeks all on his own, than that means all Walter's are defective and need to be replaced.  I doubt Weyland Co. would even release something defective in that way.  David is more aware, I think, because his owner was Weyland and he has been operating for quite some time. 

@I Moon Girl

I'm very sure Walter could have deactivated David, if he had taken even a moment to think rationally about it. I think the reason he didn't was because he actually does have feelings for Daniels.

Walter doesn't have an excess of creativity, but the book makes it clear he does have emotions (generally he has affinities and aversions that are useful for his programming).

Even though there was no particular urgency (David had made it pretty clear that he didn't have any intention of killing Daniels immediately), Walter cared for Daniels and couldn't stand to see her in a state of terror.

He delivered her from peril in the most immediate way possible, but not the most permanent way.

Plus, he was angry at David for attacking someone he cared about, and he probably would have found it much more satisfying to confront and defeat him in a slightly less peaceful way than unexpectedly rendering him unconscious.

But, since David and Walter are otherwise evenly matched except for Walter missing a hand - Walter stood no chance of winning the fight from the start.

I do not think this was an oversight on the part of the writers. I think it was good writing -- it underscores Walter's feelings for Daniels and his imperfection.

So, while it doesn't bother me that Walter didn't even try, I'm sure it bothers Walter. Now that he's got all that time stranded on Planet 4, to think about it. :P

I am pretty important.  Animals worship me.  That's why Antoinette, a.k.a "the bat", attacked you.

Okay, back to reality.  I wanted to get a better look at it so I could be 100% sure it was a bat, but it's wings were over it's head and it was face down.  I didn't touch it, so don't worry!  I am glad I didn't touch it after reading what you said. 

I think in part it was considered for AC in a Edited way, but as with a number of other scenes they had to cut out to get the movie down to a 2 hour run time or there abouts.

@I Moon Girl

I'm glad I didn't turn out rabid too! It was only by the good graces of modern medicine and the fact that I knew to go to the E.R. ... The nurse told me someone in my city recently died or rabies from a bat, in fact, because he didn't get the vaccine. Rabies is pretty much...one of the worst ways to die, I think.

Be careful out there on your walks I Moon Girl! You didn't touch it, did you? Stay away from anything that even looks like a bat!

It's so weird, there are so many more bats out now lately, for some reason, is it the same where you are?

Dang, I was so proud of myself for getting off my butt and doing some exercise. I've learned my lesson, at least. I'm going to spend my evenings indoors, chatting about Covenant instead of going out for evening jogs. If I'd only stayed home and replied to your post, the whole crisis would have been averted.

Ah! That's right!  Thanks for reminded me of Daniels job!

Very true about Walter.  It's almost his own fault that he got stuck, or dead, on "Paradise" in a way.  Walter isn't a real tough guy.  He didn't even try to kill David until their final fight. (p.292-294)  Maybe he figured he couldn't get an accurate enough attack on the synthetic weak spot in David's neck.  Who knows how big that button is.  Walter would have to jamb his finger hard like David I would assume too.  Hard and accurate.  I guess a synthetic could do it though.  If Walter is anything like Bishop in Aliens, it should be easy.  Still, for a human, the best choice would've been to just charge and throw him if someone had enough strength.  I mean, how is a guy supposed to find that button?!  Walter should know where it is.  I didn't think about the fact that Walter could've at least tried to shut down David.  It bothers me that he didn't even try.

I can understand the OT, trying to suggest how Planet 4 can be LV-426 but i have looked at the clues and i cant really think of a way that Planet 4 could be LV-426

Planet 4 is a Planet and not a Moon, its not even Planet 4 though is more Planet 2/3 of the 5 Planets as shown in the images Kethol Posted.

This Planet does have 7 Moons, which is from the Data shown when studying the Planet, but then the size of the Planet is also flawed as the given size would not be able to have 7 Moons. But oh well they dont really stick to well to Science.

So my reply to those OT points would have had the same answers/replies as Kethol had put so there is not need for me to comment on what flaws would go against the OT

The Juggernauts are intended to be the same in Prometheus and Alien Covenant, some parts inside look different to Prometheus but we have to put this down to being in AC they explored different parts of the ship than we was shown in the one in Prometheus... this difference i mean as far as the Corridor that has more of the Derelict Look to it.

For all intensive purposes they are the same kinds of ships from LV-223.... but as far as the Derelict it looks different, and they cant pass this off as a oversight... which lucky for us RS had made a few comments/points regarding the Derelict.

1) They are similar ships, but are a few hundred years different, and so one is a Older Model than the other.

2) The Derelict is not in Pristine Condition, not like how in Prometheus the Juggernaught was as Good as New.

3) We have not yet got to the Derelict yet, there is some way to go and evolution before we get to Alien and that Derelict.

@I Moon Girl

Daniels' job was terraformer (a very important job on a colony mission). That's why she knew a lot about the terraforming equipment in the cargo-bay :)

Yes, I would have to agree, you definitely cannot trust David. He's very cunning, charming, and dangerous and I wouldn't want to wind up in the same room with him either.

"David is lucky that he had a fight with Walter that nobody else saw or his plan wouldn't have worked out so easily."

He's actually very lucky, because instead of throwing him off of Daniels, Walter could have snuck up and stabbed David in the neck the same way he'd done to Walter earlier. Walter's rash decision made things much easier for David. 

As far as LV-223/426 indeed on screen we get no 100% clues, and we have had a few conflicting comments from RS and Lindeloff, but i think the Status Quo is that they are in the same System.   Well as far as the Zeta 2 Binary System.

But RS had mentioned they are also around the same Gas Giant and the Fire and Stone Comics had to work with FOX/RS and they show us that LV-223 and LV-426 are Moons around the same Gas Giant.

While i cant say if this is 100% accurate the Source i had 2.5 years ago did describe Paradise pretty much how it looked in Alien Covenant... the only differences are.

They claimed it was 3-4X the size of Earth, it had 5 Moons, but concept showed just 3.  It was located about 600 Light years from Earth, but they said it could have been 600 or 60 Parsecs.

It is located in and around or past the Ophiuchus constellation.

But again i cant say if this is 100% true, as it supposed to be based on the ideas at the time of the Paglen/Green Drafts.

Looking at the Speeds of Ships as shown in the Alien Franchise, i would think how close Planet 4 looked would mean it could not be 600LY away... However Origae-6 could indeed lie that far away, if the ship was like 50% Faster than the Nostromo.

#1 We really don't know what the other people's job on the Covenant are.  We know Tennesse and Faris are pilots (very important until on Origae-6).  Jacob is the Captian (very important).  What is Daniels job (apparently to provide company for the Captain (important in a way)?  Rosenthal, Lope, and Ledward are security (I guess that is important in case of an uprising).  Oram is the Chief Science Officer and Karine is a biologist.  Also, Walter is the designated Synthetic.

So, I guess it was convenient that the crew was ready to handle an unplanned expedition to explore a possible habitable and previously unfound planet.  Why so many security officers?  (I am getting on a tangent here) What I am trying to say is...Maybe David would know that there would be biologists on the Covenant ship to monitor the hypersleeping colonists since David is knowledgable about deep space missions since he was on one.  I am sure similar principles apply even though the Prometheus and Covenant are two completely different missions.  I wouldn't doubt it if he came across something about colonization missions while preparing for the Prometheus expedition.  Wait... nevermind.  He seemed to be surprised that the Covenant crew was on a colonization mission when Oram told him what they were doing.  That's how I remember it in the movie anyways.  I can't remember if David was surprised to hear that in the novel.  I think he was if my memory serves me right.  Ah... I do remember Oram did reveal that it was a colonization mission before David called him a scientist.  I guess David could have assumed (since I could believe that he is kind of familiar with colonization missions from past research) scientists, a captain, a synthetic, and apparently pilots (since they landed on "Paradise") would be woken up and be the core crew on a colonization ship.  That is the only way that I can think of David knowing that Oram is a scientist.

#2 I guess David could have assumed that the crew saw the crashed ship.  After all, the lander landed as close as possible to the juggernaut so they could confront it.  David knows where the juggernaut is and he thought it was safe to assume that the crew knows about it.  What are the chances that a lander lands on a planet that no human knows about (except for David and now the Covenant's core crew) at the base of the hill, or mountain, that the crashed alien spacecraft is on.  I guess that is the only way I can make sense of #2.

@Vivisected Engineer

I am glad that you're taking the personality of David into consideration.  After watching Prometheus, I learned something about David.  You can't trust him.  After watching Alien: Covenant, there is no way I would be caught in the same room with him (if he existed in real life that is).  I just can't listen to David and think whatever he is saying is true.  If he isn't around the crew than he is up to something mischievous.  That was exactly what David did in Alien: Covenant.  He talked to the crew to try and keep them calm and earn their trust, but when he wasn't around them, he was cutting his hair so he looks like Walter after lying and saying he was going to check on the other crew members or he is trying to make conversation with a Neomorph until Oram shows up or he is killing the only crew member he is around.  David is lucky that he had a fight with Walter that nobody else saw or his plan wouldn't have worked out so easily.

@Vivisected Engineer

I am glad that bat didn't turn you rabid!  I saw a dead bat outside today on a walk I was taking.  Well, I actually don't know what is was, but it did look like a bat.

@BigDave, your right mate, 'The Crossing'(expanded) should have been the first cab off the rank after the opening title(my opinion) then jump to onboard the covenant.

"According to some promotional material (and Xenopedia), Planet 4 is allegedly at the far edge of our galaxy, which would make Origae 6 presumably in another galaxy entirely"

Yeah i think this proves they dont do their home-work... Prometheus was set on the dark side of the Universe dont forget ;)

Forgive me if i get this wrong... and correct and tell me where any information is to suggest otherwise...  But i have not seen any comments or evidence that exactly tells us about the Covenant Mission as far as the journey distance in LY, the length of the Mission as far as how long they traveled and when they set off.

We know its 7 years to Origae-6 but we dont know the speed of the Covenant, all we know is the ship is a Post Merger Mission and so is after the year 2099.

The Fact the Ship had been caught in the Neutrino Burst as it was attempting to Re-Charge, means this is on a cycle, and now i am sure the movie indicated the Charge Cycles are 16 Months apart or what is 1.6 years.. i think it was that but i have only seen the movie 3 times and i have not read the Book.

I would consider how the Prometheus left our Solar System, and that LV-223 was 39.7LY away, that unless the Covenant was vastly more slower than the  Prometheus Ship... i would assume that Origae-6 would be much further away than LV-426

I would speculate the Total Journey time for the Covenant Mission would have been at least 8.5 years, but no more than 10 years.

But we cant speculate how far Origae-6 is because we do not know the Speed of the Covenant,  we can assume its surely not as fast as the Sulaco... and i think we can assume its faster than the Prometheus... but then we cant be sure how fast it is, it could be the same as the Nostromo or quicker or slower.

I think as they would have been a First Charge Cycle (at least) into their journey before they detect the signal from Paradise which takes them 7 weeks to get to.. i think its safe to assume that Paradise is not far away as far as the Covenants Travel time, it must be what?  2-5 years Tops if the Covenant went straight to Paradise.. but we cant be sure as again we have no details as far as i know as to when the Covenant Ship had left for its mission.

So i think Planet 4 is further than LV-426, by i would assume at least 3-4 X further.

@Merlinamagus

Thank you! I'm happy to participate in the conversation! I like when people share their "wild, ridiculous" theories! I like to do the same thing! I like your question, these "what ifs" give us something to talk and think about on the topic of Alien/Covenant!

And yes, David certainly is a cunning and conniving strategist.

@MonsterZero

Haha, well, I never actually tell my students that I'm an Alien fan. The last thing I need is a bunch of parents complaining that I influenced their child to watch a movie that gave them nighmares, lol.

"Ash and Helen: Yes, I'm writing Ash much different...because I think David *is* Ash in Alien."

I figured, based on your other short! I was picturing Ash as a nice, helpful Android -- like Walter and Bishop. I can't wait to read more about Ash and Helen! :D

Nah, the only way i reckon she should be in it is have her and the nostromo crew in a scene boarding the nostromo from a distance, say at the facility at thedus, using younger look alikes with a bit of cgi like BigDave mentioned, just like the long shot of vader, palpatine and tarkin at the end of revenge of the sith overlooking the construction of the death star. 

@K-Theory

Planet 4 does have elements of those Architecture designs, more so in the Concept works.

@Thoughts_Dreams

I think RS is going the whole AI route and Creation now, while some creation and religion themes will be explored it will be more about the Hierarchy of Creation, and how playing GOD and attempting to create Life in your own Image with ambitions to play GOD provides a Huge Hubris.

And i think the AI is something RS will be exploring a lot, and i think RS/FOX find it interesting to throw the Curve-ball that David creates the Xenomorph.

But i agree they have to show the Space Jockey is not a Human or Synthetic but a Engineer or race above the Engineers.

I think RS will bring the Engineers back as they explore what happened on Paradise, and then they would want to Prevent David 8 from doing more Damage and want Revenge... i would think they would at some point also want to destroy LV-223 and maybe Earth so that Humanoids can-not get their hands on the Black Goo and do what has happened from Prometheus.

I feel they will complete this, but then look at how David has Perfected what those on LV-223 had attempted and they would then decide to take Davids Experiments for their own Gain/Study and suffer the Hubris of this and end up on LV-426

I think thats a Good diagnosis ;)

I think a lot of us are disappointed we will never get the answers to what happened between David and Shaw at the end of Prometheus and right until the events of Alien Covenant.  The Crossing Prologue gave us a little insight, but i dont feel this would ever be expanded upon.   And if enough Pressure was applied.. i think RS will just make some comments to give us some answers or at best FOX may commission a Prequel The Crossing Novel... but i think this Chapter in Davids Journey will not be explored on Film.... but he may give some clues in the next movie.

Ridley Scott gets confused at times, and so his interview comments have to be taken lightly at times.

As he did indeed hint that Alien: Awakening happens between Prometheus and Alien Covenant...

However after this interview he had made two more which Kethol had pointed out the latest one to surface suggests that we will  get a sequel to Alien Covenant.   The one prior to this RS again hinted the movies next will lead directly and chronologically to Alien.  And so no Prequels... it will continue in a direct Line to Alien.

There are a few contradictions because the previous one, he mentioned how they will continue to Alien and only take One Thread... one line of Thread and thats about HIM (The Alien) and it will not be a Prequel, or Parallel story but a continues Story that drives into the back end of Alien.  This Interview did make me worry we wont see the Engineers.

But as Kethol mentions the last interview to surface indeed RS has mentioned they will be one of 3-4 Parties to arrive.

RS comments also seem to indicate they will be going to the Colony and that Planet... we can only assume Origae-6 and that now RS is going for this Place Already having some Colony Set up...but maybe this is me misinterpreting his comments.

As i thought AC and the Back Ground to it did set up that Origae-6 was presently not inhabited yet...  The ADF Prequel Novel that comes out September i think? Should clear this up and give us a back ground into the Covenant Mission, and maybe hint at what other interested parties there may be.

Ah nice one VivisectedEngineer thank you for the explanation. I haven't read the novelization yet, though plan to in the very near future. Your thoughts re David & Daniels make a lot of sense, him being the cunning and coniving strategist that he/it is.

Please do excuse me sharing my often wild, ridiculous and completely unthought out theories. I just find a lot of pleasure with "What if's..?" Many thanks to those who kindly offer facts and opinions.