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“To get from A-Z you do-not have to GO were David is going!”

OK but you don't need to feature that a lot, maybe keep some minutes of it in the movie but then focus on more interesting things. What Alan Dean Foster did is something that I find more interesting than what we saw on the screen. Frankly at this point I don't give a damn about David, it might sound harsh, and I don't want to disrespect those that care about it, but I just don't find it interesting.

There is a lot that the prequels did wrong, mainly poorly written and or executed characters and have the android responsible for the xeno. These are just two things, but they affect the movie a lot. At this point a re-boot might be better than to try to solve the mess that it has become, because the mess is just too much unless something really great and unknown happens.

“... and RS has said that it has some EVOLVING to do....” I don't think that he should have anything to do with the story because he is involved with that, then we’ll probably get another David-movie since that seems to be his interest. AC and RBW seems to show that's his interest, but it's not mine. Unfortunately with him involved it's very likely that we'll get something that I'll consider a huge disappointment. “... then GO LOOK for David..…” Let them find him early in the movie, kill him off, and then focus on more interesting things. Keep him as a cameo, if at all. I had enough of David at the end of Covenant. The Engineers keep looking for him, find him through some locating system, go there and battle him and his monsters kill him fairly fast, so we get that out of the way. They take some eggs and upgrade them. By doing this, you get rid of the David-problem and can maybe make a better movie. 

“We know the FATE of ONE such Mission..…”

Yeah but there could be a lot of interesting things going on between when they make the eggs and when the derelict crashes. I'm not sure what that could be, but there could be something interesting with some good writing and some twists. I hope that they won't write it in a way that is expected.

“Where were these other Ships going?  Did they MAKE their Mission?”

You could have them going to different places and then focus on one mission but don't show how it ended. This could introduce some other well-needed mystery. It could show us some interesting world-building, not that we haven't had that this far in the prequels but anyway. We still have the problem as with prequel one and two, you need writers that know how to do their job properly and a director who doesn't let his ego destroy it.

This could be a chance to bring in totally new things and flesh out other things. I hope that this will keep something about the Engineers because we need more about them. Have the Xeno as a cameo is a good thing, we've seen it before. My worries are about having androids and if they will focus a lot on that because if that's the case then I'm out, unless their role is heavily reduced compared to the prequels. Don't tie it to the classic characters (Ripley and so on), try something new.

"...ATTEMPT at a SOFT REBOOT of the  Franchise"

Well, this would give them a chance to show Ripley's parents and maybe tie the series to the movies. Giving birth to Ripley near the end of the series?

Or maybe Kane's father is in the TV-Series and he hates to wear masks and worries about suffocation!

Or maybe a shipyard where they are building the Nostromo.

Must be a thousand ways to link the series to Alien.

I'm okay with the TV-Series taking risks and going off canon. There are plenty of 'off the rails' novels and comics and they're pretty much ignored ......and I've done my share of ignoring them! lol!

Having the series set on another planet will always be my choice......An isolated research crew or something...Monitoring a neutron star from a safe distance....Or a black hole. Just where you'd expect to find another species monitoring also.

Earth is just so boring and already filled with horrors.....Xenos will have a hard time competing with the crazies.     OMG!! a xeno attacked and killed 5 people!! So what?... An earthquake just killed a thousand...Another disaster just killed thousands more.

I think a LOT will depend on HOW MUCH they Pay Respect to the Prequels.... they may HOWEVER just Borrow some of the Broad Plot.

AKA... The Engineers are Ancient Race who Seed/Create Life on Many Worlds.  so Maybe YES we could get Flash Back Scenes.

Looking at the Actual TV Series it does appear that we would be seeing some Internal (Engineer Aesthetic) Structure that is Partially Flooded.

With the TV Series being Focused on Earth and in the NOT TO DISTANT FUTURE..... this seems LIKELY to be ONE of the Following.

1) The Engineers had a City/Outpost that had became Flooded on Earth...... maybe this is ATLANTIS of Sorts.

2) A Engineer Ship has SOMEHOW managed to become Sunk at the Bottom of the Ocean.

I suspect (2) and that THIS is where we would Encounter our Xenomorph.   This would IMPLY that the Engineers/Space Jockey Race had TWICE Attempted and FAILED to get the JOB DONE....

The Biggest Problem i have is that having a PLOT where Xenomorphs are Encountered on Earth like WAY before ALIENS, never-mind the Prequels is a Mistake!

The ONE thing with Alien Covenant and we saw more in the Marketing Video Clip (The Last Supper) is just HOW like Blue-Collar and Unprepared this Group are for the Horror they would Face.

IF everything had GONE to PLAN and they Suffered No Effect from the Neutrino Burst, and they MADE it to Origae-6 and we had it as a TV Series then you would be able to BUILD those Characters better.

My Point here being that a PART of the Franchise is BUILDING BETTER WORLDS... but the Company would LIKELY also Discover more Earth-like Worlds.

So i say that having the PLOT take Place on such a World and in say the Time-Line either Between ALIEN and ALIENS or after ALIENS.... were we have a Colonization Mission Lands on a World and after being there for some Time, they Discover a Sunken Engineer Ship...

They go to Investigate.... and THIS is when the Xenomorph is Unleashed...

As i think its RISKY to have the PLOT on Earth and Especially if its Prior to ALIENS and more so Prior to Prometheus.. this is ASKING for Conflict/Contradiction.... but i do SUSPECT this TV Series will be a ATTEMPT at a SOFT REBOOT of the  Franchise.

Maybe they should have made the TV Series a 8-10 Part One that will TELL the TALE of Hadleys Hope?  The Story then ENDS with Newt all alone... and then we CUT TO the USS Sulaco and that ENDS this Story.

I'd start the tv-series with a Juggernaut descending on the plains of Africa, circa a million years ago. They would carry a crate with a creature ( xenomorph lite ). Releasing the creature, it immediately attempts to attack them, but the Engineers are shielded, backing down the creature turns towards the savannah. The Engineers board the ship...One stating that they will return in a hundred rotations ( 100 years ) and this will be a good test for their subject.

The creature has an indestructible device implanted that will record its every movement.

The juggernaut ascends into space as the creature rips open an antelope.

Keep in mind the original three alien comics or as I call them Earth War Trilogy came out before Alien 3 so Newt and Hicks had yet to die unless you get the post-1992 editions which renames them.

Another great way to enjoy the old alien comics is Dark Horse's omnibus collection which compiles a good portion of the comics into a single volume. I think there are at least 4 or 5 Alien Omnibus volumes

The "new EU' explanation for the chestbursters appeared in the last couple of dark horse comics before Marvel did their thing with the IP but also this piece of canon made it way into the ALIEN RPG tabletop game

 "Aliens Outbreak (Book One)"

Ahh...Makes more sense now!

I'm going to buy all this stuff and read it now. I see how they make drones now...cool.

Marvel has a lot to catching up to do!

"Facehuggers born with birth defects...unable to hug anything

Mutant xenomorphs roaming Earth...I'd pay to see that!"

It seems that Blomkamps Alien V and the Red Harvest Project had touched upon this, it seems the PLOT was that a Company on Earth has Obtained the Derelict which is NOT in a Good Shape......  and we will see Mutated Xenomorphs as the Company would Attempt to Obtain a Pure Strain from Contaminated Material/Eggs.  Or they have a Pure Strain but are Attempting to Modify/Experiment with them....

The Projects where PUT ON HOLD so that Ridley Scott could Release at least TWO of his Prequels after Prometheus... but after the Disappointment of Alien Covenant and the DISNEY take over the Projects had Remained on Indefinite Hold. 

And even Blomkamp has came to TERMS that his Project will NEVER see the DAY OF LIGHT....

How this Connects with  the OT.... is that its a Big Ask for DISNEY to Rush into making ANY kind of ALIEN MOVIES....  i think the Success or Lack of Success of the ALIEN TV SERIES... will give some Indication of the Future of the Franchise.

I think there will ALWAYS be a Market for Video Games, Comics and Novels as they seem more LOW RISK..... and thats WHY i think a Expansion into a ANIMATED TV SERIES or Movie could be the ANSWER.

And if they DID SO.... then it could be a Alternative Reality and so they DO-NOT have to WORRY about Conflicting the Franchise or Prequels and be ALLOWED more Creative Freedom.

Ideas from Earth War could be USED in such a Venture.

Animation is more LOW RISK and can Produce Good Results a Example is the Street Fighter Movie.... compared to the LIVE ACTION (Jeane Claude Van Damme) which COST WAY MORE and was well AWFUL!  Sometimes they get it RIGHT though as the Live Action version of Ghost in a Shell was Decent... but the ANIME Version was GREAT and would COST MUCH MUCH LESS.

How are people regarding that it seems this TV Series is SET like Prior to the Prequels........ and maybe could be Set as Early as 2050-2070?

I agree with Ridley Scotts Comments (Assessment), your just NEVER going to Replicate the Effect the Xenomorph has on Screen as we saw from the First Two Movies.

There is ONLY so much Face Hugging ans Snarling you can do before it maybe gets Repetitive.   The TV Series will Apparently Concentrate on other THINGS... with the Xenomorph making a Appearance towards the END of the TV Series.  It seems they will be Changing it a Little but would still pay Respect and Homage to the Original Monster of the TV Series.

So WHAT we may get would be something that is more like the Alien Covenant Xenomorph than from say ALIENS and who knows... the TV Series may even NOT have any Queens!  I wonder HOW some Fans would React to that?

Depending on HOW MANY Episodes it could be we have to Wait/Watch like 200-300 Minutes before the Xenomorph make a Appearance...

I would say if we got 8EP then we wont see any Face Hugging until say EP6 if we have 12EP then likely have to WAIT until like EP9, there is a Problem with the Xenomorph as for SOME then if you see it OVER and OVER and OVER then it may Loose its Effect...

RS had said you have to Evolve it and look at other ways to Procreate.   But for some Fans they would Object to Messing about with the Xenomorph and think IF it is NOT Broke then Dont Fix....

I think with a TV Series you can Slowly Build Up other Elements but it will be a TEST to see HOW the Majority of the Fanbase Feels about HOW LONG they wait to see the Xenomorph and HOW MUCH they will be seeing of it.

But it seems the Show could Focus on the DAWN of FTL Travel and the Advent of Synthetic A.I Humanoids..... and OPEN us up to the New Frontier which is Space Travel to other Worlds/Moons for Resources.

But it seems a LOT of the TV Series will be Based in and around Earth, and i do SUSPECT the Discovery of the Xenomorph will come from a Crashed/Sunken Engineer Ship that is Discovered like WAY before the Prequels and so the SHOW must be kind of a RETCON?

I think its a Mistake to SET such a PLOT/STORY like before the Year 2250.... but it could be SET like 200 Years prior to that.

MonsterZero I think I forgot to mention that Aliens Earth War is a trilogy of comics: Aliens Outbreak (Book One), Aliens Nightmare Asylum (Book Two), and Aliens Female War (Book Three)

Did you read Aliens Outbreak first? Aliens Outbreak (or Aliens Earth Hive for the novelization) explains how the xenomorphs got on Earth

I just read the entire Aliens: Earth War.

Incredible artwork! Don't see Marvel doing something so loose and bold.

But...So many questions!?

Where do all these worker drone xenomorphs come from?  The derelict on LV-426 has dozens...Where did they come from? I can understand they were in hibernation...but for how long? The queen lays some eggs and waits for thousands of years to finally find one host ( Kane ) for her egg (s)?

If they reboot the story this needs to be addressed ( IMHO ).

The story also doesn't elaborate on how the Earth fell to the xenomorphs? Xenomorphs traveling underground...Alien breeders? So they don't require hosts to make xenomorphs? They are protecting nascent eggs...So the eggs release facehuggers ....who find humans? So humans no longer need to look inside a pod? A queen lays 15 eggs an hour? that's 100,000 eggs a year and there are billions of humans?.... Needs to be more queens or something.

I think the real story is how they conquered Earth. That's what I want to read.

Humans are an extremely vicious and cunning species and I don't see the xenomorphs being much of a match. Humans have dealt with thousands of deadly species and usually end up feeding those species to their young or putting them in zoos.

I can see humans creating zoos for the xenomorph. Probably put them on the endangered species list!

Egg pods would become a delicacy.  fried egg pod anyone?

Perhaps buttered 'tail of a face-hugger' served with fries.

The acid would be synthesized and added to soft drinks served at Mcdonald's.

So an Earth war would be cool....They just need to tighten the script up a bit.

That does sound scary but I think that should be reserved for a xenomorph offshoot then a purestrain xenomorph

"This sounds like egg morphing.....and I like this far better than a queen and JC story"

Actually MonsterZero this is just an updated explanation in how chestbursters are made, Its nothing like egg morphing because its just good old fashion chestburster with a minor tweek in terminologies so nothing new was added so the Queen is still canon in the new EU.

Also the Earth War storyline requires a Queen caste xenomorph to kick off a world wide xenomorph outbreak

 "NEW SPORES/EGGS would Surface from the Remains of the Xenomorph"

Awesome! That works for me.

Once xenomorphs infest your planet you won't get rid of them! (Without an Engineer level reboot! )

"Since the new "EU canon" has facehuggers carry a specialized variant of the black goo inside them to make xenomorphs, the black goo rewrites the host DNA to build chestbursters out of their genetic material."

This sounds like egg morphing.....and I like this far better than a queen and JC story.

War on Earth:

Maybe the Earth ( after the nukes and bioweapons ) is so toxic and irradiated that even xeno's have a hard time? Their DNA is even breaking down and causing abnormalities. Can't even get a 'normal' xenomorph. lol!

Facehuggers born with birth defects...unable to hug anything. 

Have to go off-world to find decent alien DNA ( Ripley 8 Alien:R)?

Mutant xenomorphs roaming Earth...I'd pay to see that!

"I USE this as a Example to show that Cloning of Ripley to get to Ripley 8 who Gestated a Xenomorph is a more UNREALISTIC PLOT, that say trying to Extract DNA from Ripley 8."

I was always under the impression that the xenomorph's DNA was infectious to its host.

In the more recent expanded universe material depicts that even if you successfully remove a chestburster from its host, your not out of the woods.

Since the new "EU canon" has facehuggers carry a specialized variant of the black goo inside them to make xenomorphs, the black goo rewrites the host DNA to build chestbursters out of their genetic material.

The aftermath of surviving a medical chestburster extraction, the host would lived for a few more days before succumb to a deadly cancer-like illness due to the residual black goo left behind by the chestburster.

"I don't think you can remove the xenomorph bits from Ripley's DNA"

I can see your POINT..... but the PLOT for AR was just as Flawed if NOT more so, i think you have Realistically more Chance of Cloning a Hybrid DNA and Attempting to Modify it to gain more Xeno-DNA or Attempt to Extract that DNA...  The COMPLETELY SILLY PLOT that we given were with just DNA you can CLONE a Person who is Carrying a Xeno-Queen and have that Clone also have a Queen Gestating inside them...

If you Cloned a Pregnant Female... you would get a Clone of that Female and you WOULD-NOT get that Clone to be Pregnant... if you Cloned someone who had LOST their Arms and Legs say in a Accident then the Clone would HAVE their Arms and Legs.

I USE this as a Example to show that Cloning of Ripley to get to Ripley 8 who Gestated a Xenomorph is a more UNREALISTIC PLOT, that say trying to Extract DNA from Ripley 8.

I would add that the Xenomorphs in this Idea are Different they are LESS than the Vanilla Version from say Alien/Aliens, AVP/AVPR.

But i came up with these Ideas when the Discussions about Blomkamps Alien V came about and HOW it would BRING BACK her and the Gang.... where i said i think you Leave the Canon alone..... Ripley is Dead... but maybe you can Continue with Ripley 8?

Going back to a Earth War.... i think you could Explore it, but i think you will Eventually come Across the FACT that the Xenomorph (as JC Envisioned it) is MORE LIMITED than the Bugs of Starship Troopers), but i GUESS this is where you can TRY and UPLIFT and EVOLVE the Xenomorph... but you do KIND OF get it to become like the TYRANIDS from Warhammer 40K

Again this does-not mean you cant have it where Xenomorphs have Overran the Earth..... in the Years 2240-2350 we can ASK.. as to HOW MANY of us (Humans) are in the Galaxy, have we Colonized Many Worlds? and Have we FOUND more Earth-like Worlds?

The Earth is a Rotting Paradise..... Hundreds of Years and Population Explosion and our Effect on the Environment could have PLACED the Earth in a Position where it would NEVER become a Paradise like it was say in the Year 1500.  So maybe when WE have Discovered Worlds that are like Earth... Most People would Favor moving to these Worlds?

so you could do a Earth War Scenario on other Worlds... that we have Populated for like 100 Years, or Indeed have it on Earth some Time Between say 2250-2350 and the After-Math is the Earth has been NUKED a LOT in Order to RID of the Xenomorph?

My Preference would be a Animated TV Series or Movie.....  Lower Risk/Budget.

I don't think you can remove the xenomorph bits from Ripley's DNA since the hybrid DNA would be perfectly blended that removing any sequences would make her DNA structure unstable which would reduce Ripley into a puddle of goo. Like what happens to this guy in End of Evangelion
 
The only way to continue the story after Alien Resurrection is to turn Ripley into a secondary antagonist after she metamorphosis into a new species of xenomorph.

Me personally, I would like to see ALIEN V takes place in an alternate continuity or if we did have to follow A3 and AR, take place between these events, with something like the Earth War happening but involving new characters.

I would completely drop Ripley from the story should we go this route due to Alien Resurrection's attenpt to make the story heavily Ripley-centric. 20th Century and Joss Weadon lack of creativity and confidence in the series lead to the franchise being limited.

I think the writers can come up with creative ways on the reason why they couldn't find xenomorphs elsewhere, maybe the easiest way was to use Ripley's DNA or maybe pure strain xenomorphs were too much of a hassle to control so they saw the opportunity to create hybrid ones.

As for later ALIEN comics, they attempt to expand the universe by showing other alien races that encountered the xenomorphs; which either ended as you expect from the series or ended on some star wars-esque alien's dinner plate.

They had a few comics based around the importance of harvesting a xenomorph substance called royal jelly

One of my favorite post-Earth War comics was this one where some colonists accidentally stumbled upon a forest planet were they spotted a seemingly abanonded colony then they are ambushed by a dying hive of Xenomorphs that make several attempts to reproduce but end in failure. I believe the name of the comic is ALIENS LABRYINTH

 PS I agree that an ANIME of ALIEN would be super cool, however it must be done by a japanese studio, I don't trust disney's animation talent could capture the essence of the alien series.

"Not sure if I am a fan of the xenomorphs being on earth 100 years after Alien Resurrection since Earth is already a wasteland at this point in Alienverse History."

I can see the Point/Problem... what i was saying is that IF say we had a Story where Xenomorphs had GOT on Earth prior to Alien Resurrection then you NEED to be Careful to HOW-MUCH of the Infestation there was..... BECAUSE the Basic Premise of Alien Resurrection would Indicate there was NO OTHER WAY that they could Obtain a Xenomorph apart from to CLONE our Ripley..

We have to ASSUME that all other Avenues are a BUST....

IF However the Xenomorphs become Isolated to a Certain Area... say Europe, and then Mankind had to NUKE a Few CITIES etc.... to DESTROY the Xenomorphs... then YES maybe they would be LESS LIKELY to Obtain a Specimen and INDEED the Aftermath of this NUKE LAST RESORT could Explain as to WHY we saw a Ruined Paris at the END of Alien Resurrection.

The CULT Idea is Interesting as i had Put on here a Number of Times about IDEAS i had for a ALIEN V that takes Place after Alien R, where it would Indicate that CALL could take Ripley to some Auton Scientist who could FIX HER (i had Two Different Ideas).

1) Ripley was Changing into a Hybrid and the Auton's actually do-not HELP they just Extract her DNA.

2) Ripley is Starting to AGE FAST... the Auton's Manage to make a Serum that can SLOW DOWN the Age Process.... but they also Extract her DNA.

The Revelation is that the Auton's are NOT here to HELP they just want a Specimen of Xenomorph and Ripley DNA, and that CALL was on a Secret Mission to Obtain a Specimen but make sure that USM has NO Specimen.

So the Auton's can USE IT against the Humans......  it is also Revealed that the Auton's Worship the Xenomorph and its Creator David..

The END of this Movie Idea or its Sequel..... would Depend on Option 1/2.

A) With OPTION ONE what we have is that Ripley eventually Defeats the Auton's Plan, but she is Wrestling with her Humanity as a Hybrid and she Fears she will soon Become Too Much Xenomorph (Losing her Humanity)and Become BOTH a THREAT.. but also something that some Scientist would LIKE to Obtain and so she SACRIFICES herself.

B) with OPTION TWO..... after again she Successfully gets Rid of the Xenomorph and the Auton's Plan... she is Soon Running out of Serum and she then Faces the Inevitable Fate of Death..... her Memories as Ripley offer her some Comfort.... and Thoughts of her Daughter... as she Passes Away.

BigDave

Ah I see, well post-EARTH WAR Alien comics were mostly independent stories following many different characters and interesting concepts about the nature of the xenomorphs and the company's goals or just plan old survival stories since xenomorphs were oddly common among the frontier worlds

Not sure if I am a fan of the xenomorphs being on earth 100 years after Alien Resurrection since Earth is already a wasteland at this point in Alienverse History.

Btw the EARTH WAR trilogy is the last time we see Newt, Hicks, and Ripley in the comics (not counting the William Gibson Alien 3 comic)

I think its Interesting to had Considered the Xenomorph as FAR as WHAT would Happen after they Die?

Its seemed the Eggs could have remained Dormant for Thousands of Years for some Reason.... (Star Beast implied this).  But with AC it seems those Eggs as of 2122 (ALIEN) are No-More than say 25-27 Years Old... the Originals and those on LV-426 like up to 17 Years Old.

But i dont want to TURN this Topic into the David could NOT have Created them Debate as we done this a LOT... much like the Queen cant have been HOW we get Eggs because in ALIEN and Starbeast we had the Egg Morph.... i think IF something is NOT Answered and then gets Answered in a Different way in Sequels we Accept what we are Shown.. but Each Person is Entitled to what they Choose to Believe or like.

But back to the Point i want to look at.... Ridley Scott had Suggested the Xenomorphs can Regenerate... the ONE that was KILLED on Planet 4 would Regenerate..

I think to HEAL in a Limited way i can BUY... but to Regenerate when they Suffer Heavy Damage and are Basically Pulverized into Many Pieces... than NAH!

I am NOT a Fan of having the Xenomorph be as Indestructible as a T-800 and its a NO to them being like a T-1000 (Terminators)

The Xenmomorph should be a Survivor... something like a Virus, in that it can Find Ways to Replicate and Survive and Evolve Different ways to Survive/Procreate....it can become Dormant.... but then Arise again...

To me a INTERESTING WAY to do this would be that WHEN we see a Xenomorph is KILLED or Dies... then Eventually its Remains would Decompose to a Degree, but then Procreate from this Matter and have it that NEW SPORES/EGGS would Surface from the Remains of the Xenomorph.

You have the Xenomorph also able to Infect a Host with something that would TURN them into a Egg or a Blob of Genetic Matter that a Number of Eggs then begins to GROW from.

I have NOT seen those Comics, it seems they have SOME Interesting things and i Totally Understand as they were MADE before ALIEN 3 then they had Every Right to Continue with Ripley, Hicks and Newt.

I am NOT 100% sure of having Xenomorphs running Rampant on Earth in the Franchise Time-Line, maybe it would WORK if it was set say 100 Years after ALIENS?  Or maybe they could do it as a Continuation after Alien Resurrection?

I view Comics as a Alternative Reality to the Alien Movies they can Connect in Part but they SHOULD NOT be Taken as Theatrical Canon, but Everyone is Entitled to View whatever they WANT as Canon ;)

I think when doing anything that you WANT to be 100% Canon to the Movies you have to BE CAREFUL to NOT go and Conflict or Contradict the Theatrical Franchise, but i Understand these Comics came out when ALIEN 3 had Never Existed, does this mean that Alien 3 should NOT be counted as Canon?  Thats up to each FAN on IF they wish to Ignore Alien 3..... to be Fair it this is WHAT would have been with Blomkamps Alien V and Brandywines Alien V too they BOTH would have Offered a Alternative Sequels.

SHOULD we see such a Earth War... made into a Set of Movies?

I would NOT be a Fan, but i am ONLY just One Fan.... i dont OWN the Franchise, so its NOT up to me, and so in that Context.... i think MAYBE it could WORK if you had it as a Sequel to Alien Resurrection.... or SET AFTER that Movie...

To have it SET like Prior to Alien R would Raise some Questions and Conflicts and the Franchise already has a Number of those.... (as FAR as HOW MANY of the Xenomorphs have they Attempted to Obtain and WHY do they ALWAYS end up with NOTHING they can Recover... Leaving them to CLONE RIPLEY).

Maybe you could do a Blomkamp and have such a Series (Movies or TV) that would OFFER a ALTERNATIVE Future to ALIENS....

I think you could USE some of the Ideas from the Earth War Series... but i dont think you have to have any New Project be about Ripley again....

However.... as a Anime..... WHY NOT... you see ANIME is BIG... you can have like PG-13, or R Rated Stuff..... you Basically have a Moving Comic Series... we have to Remember that Disney made a LOT of its History through Animation....

You can Convey Blood, Guts and Action and Special Effects with a Animation, and you can DO SO..... with a LESSER BUDGET than Live Action.... and so i would YES welcome some Alternative Stories within the ALIEN UNIVERSE as a ANIMATION.

So a Earth War  in a Adult Animation.. YES.... as FAR as Theatrical... i am NOT that Sure.

Yeah I forgot to write down the rest of my synopsis of the comic since I was very tired writing this.

I made a goof when I said the Bionational Corporation managed to acquire a xenomorph egg, that is actually false. They actually retrieved a man that escaped a spaceship infested with xenomorphs, he was caring a queen embryo.

WARNING SPOILERS HEAD!!! WARNING SPOILERS HEAD!!! WARNING SPOILERS HEAD!!!

ALIENS OUTBREAK

So the comic takes place 13 years after ALIENS.

After Bionational Corporation secures the xenomorph infected pilot (Weyland-Yutani doesn't appear in the original comics until after the Earth War trilogy) there is a string of nightmares plaguing people on earth, they all were having visions of xenomorphs. So religious cults started cropping up to give reason to these horrific visions. Meanwhile Hicks (or Wilkes in the '92 edit) is recruited from military prison by the Bionat scientist Orona to train a platoon of marines before heading off to the xenomorph homeworld to retrieve a specimen. Which unbenownst to Hicks, BioNat already has a xenomorph queen on earth.

Meanwhile Newt (or Billie in the '92 edit) is stuck in an insane asylum as I mentioned earlier with talks from her doctor wanting to give her a lobotomy to permanently end her nightmares (read: erase her memory). Fortunately she receives a call from Hicks as he says his goodbyes, Newt begs Hicks to save her but the doctor terminates the call as they restrain her. This leads Hicks to plan a rescue mission to save Newt before going off on his suicide mission.

The comic when not focusing on Hicks or Newt bounces around between this cult leader who leads the New Messiah cult which is the largest of the xenomorph-dream cults and his mission to televise his message and this corporate mercenary dude called Massey who killed his own family for peeking at the documents on his computer.

So Hicks sneaks Newt onboard the Colonial Marine starship before heading off to the xenomorph homeworld. Newt forms a relationship with one of the marines, Mitchell onboard the benedict. Massey the corporate assassin sneaks on board the ship and hijacks the mission when they arrive to the alien homeworld and murders the commanding office then assumes command of the marines.

Meanwhile on Earth, the xenomorph matures and the cultists break into the facility carrying her. The cultists allow themselves to be facehugged. Which shortly after spread the xenomorphs all over the planet leading to a huge outbreak

Meanwhile the colonial marines now commanded by Massey and his crew of mercenaries and modified synthetics are sent down to the xenomorph planet to retrieve live specimens, the mercenaries and marines are ambushed by delta-wing flying predators. While some of the marines are ambushed by xenomorphs, Hicks and his squad of marines take the dead mercenaries weapons before heading off to save the other marines while setting up bombs within the hive. After rescue what was left of their other squad, a xenomorph ambush Hick's squad seemingly killed one of the marines which turns out the marines Hicks has been training were synthetics. Newt still onboard the Benedict manages to kill Massey, but witnesses on the computer screen that Mitchell, the man she had a fling with is a synthetic.

Hicks donates the hive as they retreat back to the dropship but he, mitchell, and two others are quickly surrounded by xenomorphs. Soon a mysterious alien shows up save them, it is an Engineer...Space Jockey. (this comic was made before Alien 3 and by extension Prometheus so the Engineers looked drastically different) The Space Jockey follow them back to Earth

Hicks and his arrive back on the Benedict before heading back to Earth, they soon discover Earth is Infested with xenomorphs world wide. They temporarily land in Australia before Hicks, Newt, and Mitchell escape on a massive cargo spaceship. We see the Space Jockey one last time and he is laughing, which leads to the next comic ALIENS NIGHTMARE ASLYUM.

ALIENS NIGHTMARE ASYLUM


Nightmare asylum pretty much takes place about a week after the ending of OUTBREAK (which begins in 2192 and ends at the end of 2193) which starts the new year 2194.

Well anyways the first half of the comic is Hicks and Newt surviving up against xenomorphs that had somehow sneaked onboard the ship prior to going spaceborne, turns out this ship acted as a transport vessel to deliver xenomorphs to a military space station. The second half of the comic is Hicks and Newt being placed in confinement by General Spears as he attempts to condition a xenomorph queen (different queen from the one from the first comic) to follow his command by killing her children that disobey him.

Eventually there is a Cou-de-ta among the marines under Spears command which lead Spears to take the second Queen and his "loyal" xenomorphs back to earth in attempts to reclaim it. The Queen quickly orders her children to attack Spears, when he killed them, the Queen impales Spears while spears kills the second queen with his flame thrower. 

Ripley appears on the military space station at the end of the comic.

ALIENS FEMALE WAR

Ripley tells Hicks and Newt about her travels to the xenomorph homeworld and her discovery of the Xenomorph Queen Mother. The rest of the comic is them planning on capturing the Queen Mother and taking it to earth to kill it.

oh okay I think you mean mummified, since fossilization is a much longer process

I don't see why not.

Earth has been practically worthless in the Alien verse...... Might as well get some use out of it?

A zombie invasion of Earth is always welcome....might as well do a xenomorph one!

I wouldn't make them millions of years old(100 years tops )they would be like the desiccated Engineers (that David bombed) on Planet 4.

The xenomorphs were also bombed from above. Pest control.

wait if there fossilized they wouldn't be toxic because the toxins would have been broken down thousands if not millions of years ago.

Set on Earth just seems like a budget-saving device.   They will probably film in some abandoned warehouses, not having to worry about exotic locations or amazing super amazing skyscraper buildings from 200 years in the future.

If this is just xenomorph versus human....Then I'll pass. ( an average three year old could plot this series )

I'd like to see something new.

How about a pile of DEAD xenomorphs? Thousands of them...desiccated, fossilized.......But still highly toxic! Do NOT TOUCH!

yeah I was thinking more set a little after Alien 3 in an Earth War-inspired scenario where xenomorphs are brought to Earth

Indeed there seemed to be some things that became Held Back about the Engineers in Prometheus that could have been Covered more in Sequels.... but as you said, while Prometheus had LENT to a Sequel there was NO GUARANTEE.

Your Correct a TV Series allows you to FLESH OUT the Characters and Build the Plot more.. to add more MEAT to the Bones.... as a Movie you have a Limited Run Time of say 2 Hours but a TV Series could give you 6-10 Hours in the First Season.

"I wished it was set during the James Cameron Era of Aliens"

By that if you mean taking Place say after the EVENTS of ALIENS/ALIEN 3 then YES maybe thats ok, but i would STILL have it SET AWAY from our Solar System but Certainly NOT on Earth.

Unless your setting it between Alien 3 and Alien R but is Suspect the Destruction on Earth had came about from a Battle on Earth between Various Human Factions, Various Synthetic Fractions and Autons.

The details are Scarce about the TV Series but what we do know is it would be a SLOW BURNER.... we would Delve more into the Corruption and Greed of Mega Corps and HOW they would USE the Common People to their Advantage.  It seems it would give us a Story about some People who are GIVEN what they think would be a Opportunity to Change their Lives but they are being used as Prawns for a Bigger Agenda.  And that those in Power see some People as Purely Expendable.

The Xenomorph will make a Appearance... it seems the Xenomorph will be Tinkered with a Little so it will be Different to a Degree but it would NOT go and STEER TOO FAR from what we had in the Movies.

It seems a LOT of the Movie will be Based on Earth and the Idea is to see HOW does the Earth Deal with the Xenomorphs on HOME SOIL..... this is a Concern... and Especially when the TV Series is SET WAY BEFORE the Prequels.

With what LITTLE we know about the Xenomorph in the TV Series it does seem that the Aesthetic could be more like that from Alien Covenant than from Alien/Aliens (Chest Buster is Translucent to a Degree and has a Pair of Arms/Legs).

It would seem the Discovery of this Organism is made in some kind of Engineer Complex or Ship that is Flooded.... and so MAYBE this Discovery is a Sunken Engineer Outpost or a Sunken Engineer Ship.

The TV Series is trying to NOT go and Conflict what the Prequels had Shown.... it will be about in PART a Ancient Threat (Discovery of something Engineer that leads to the Xenomorph).

But it also will Focus on the Threat of A.I.

To me this seems like it will Consider what made the Alien Franchise Great.... but also Consider the Plot of the Prequels... but it seems like it will TAKE those Ideas and RE-WRITE the Entire Lot...

Wait for it........................ the Xenomorph in ALIEN will be a Engineered Version by Mankind or A.I from a Ancient Version they Discovered on Earth....

>>>With Prometheus he had Attempted to Cover the Space Jockey Race, give them a Back Story, offer something to Expand the Franchise beyond Eggs and Face Huggers etc.

It's definitely a good decision. But Ridley also never tried to fully explore the Engineers in Prometheus. It seems that he avoided talking about them.

Ironically, but Alien Engineers contained more information about the Engineers than Prometheus. With Prometheus Ridley refused the alien, but also reduced the Engineers exploring.

It should have been like this: lack of aliens, but more about Engineers. But we got this: lack of aliens and less about Engineers.

In other words.

Alien Engineers:

- many information about aliens.

- many information about Engineers.

Prometheus (intention):

- lack of aliens. Only hints.

- double information about Engineers (to compensate the story).

Prometheus (released):

- lack of aliens. Only hints.

- little information about Engineers.

Prometheus is a good film, but in terms of exploring it's not better than Alien Engineers.

P.S. You may argue that Ridley did not want to give us information in the first film, but let's be honest. He is a businessman and knows how the industry works. He knows that you may not have a chance to tell the whole story and then all your ideas perished. 

First of all, this is not needed for the creator himself, the director. If you want to stretch the story, then a TV series format is better suited than a full-length film.

I don't feel comfortable with an another pre-FTL travel xenomorph infestation on Earth again. I wished it was set during the James Cameron Era of Aliens

" I am always Welcome for Recommendations ;)"

Okay, well my personal favorite was the Earth War Trilogy (Unofficial name): 

Aliens Outbreak (Book One)

Aliens Nightmare Asylum (Book Two)

Aliens Female War (Book Three)

I recommend the Anniversary Editions since those where the ones before Dark Horse Comics went back and changed Ripley, Hicks and Newt to Android Ripley, Wilkes, and Billie respectively to maintain movie continuity. Then you have the novels based on the comics which uses the edited versions names. 

The subsequent comics after that mostly maintained a loose continuity until they rebooted the original Alien/Predator Expanded Universe back in 2012 with the Fire and Stone comics.

Aliens Theory of Alien Propagation

Aliens versus Predator (1989)

Aliens Genocide

Aliens Rogue

Aliens Labyrinth 

There is more but it would be easier to just buy the Alien, Predator, and AVP Omnibus

As for the FX TV Series....

only TIME will tell..... but its SMELLS like a Reboot of the Franchise to me...

Time will Tell on HOW they Handle the Xenomorph Running around on Earth some 50-70 Years before ALIEN i Expect this to be maybe a Better Written version of AVP and AVPR without Predators ;)

Its TOO EARLY to Write the TV Series Off... we can ONLY HOPE its Good and Does-not go and Contradict the Franchise... but  i cant see HOW it can Avoid that.

I agree with Ridley Scott...... The Beast While it was NOT COOKED you had to be Careful... the MORE you Repeat something you do have the Chance of seeing it become Stale or a Joke, we ONLY need to look at what has Became of the Terminator Franchise and well those Robots were NOT as Limited as the Xenomorph.

With Prometheus he had Attempted to Cover the Space Jockey Race, give them a Back Story, offer something to Expand the Franchise beyond Eggs and Face Huggers etc.

It was a Brave Decision to TAKE OUT the Xenomorph from the Prequel.... but Prometheus had Evolved to become a Movie that would GIVE SOME INSIGHT into WHAT the Space Jockey Race was doing... without having to SPOON FEED us the Events that lead to ALIEN.

Prometheus was the GATEWAY to a SPIN OFF Franchise... the Sequels were Intended to STEER AWAY from ALIEN.

Star Wars Fans had No Problems that the Mandalorian had NO like Sky-Walkers or Connected Directly to the Movies.. it was a SPIN OFF and THIS is WHAT we had RS going to Attempt with Prometheus (but it had some Problems)

And WHILE this is NOT the Main Problem with Prometheus, there were some Fans who had Felt that the Movie had NOT given us enough that Links to ALIEN.... NO ANSWERS.. and NO real Replacement for the Xenomorph as FAR as Screen Time.

In Hindsight the Movie Needed a Extra 30-40 Minutes and to have some of the more ALIENY Parts that were in the Earlier Drafts...

In Hindsight they should have made a Sequel to Prometheus that went to LV-223 and was more ALIENY that would have Monsters and GIVE MORE CLUES to the Xenomorph/LV-426 and so the DOOR to ALIEN could be Closed.. but also the Franchise UPLIFTED....

The Prequels could have Potential to Explore New Things and that would START with David and Dr Shaw going to somewhere in a Movie that would be a SPIN OFF and NOT go and Connect to Alien or Xenomorphs..

But ALAS!

Powers that BE... had Wanted to make a Sequel that would BEGIN to TAKE US to ALIEN... that would GIVE the Answers and that would INTRODUCE us to the Xenomorph and its Origins.... I get the Impression that RS was Disappointed by this....

And so we GOT our Alien Covenant which had done things that UPSET some Fans and its Painted itself into a Corner.

"That maybe so however most of the original comic series was written and published before ALIEN 3 or ALIEN RESURRECTION were made"

Certainly and they had Freedom at the Time to do so, when ANY of the Comics that Came Out before say 1993 then they had Creative Freedom to Explore Various Possibilities, they was NOT to know for Instance about the Prequels that would be made like 20+ Years Latter.  The Movies that Followed would Mainly Steer Away from the Canon of the Comics and even the Comics are NOT always Canon to Each Other.... but thats the FUN thing with the Comics they GIVE US a WHAT IF and a HOW ABOUT THIS.... and Sometimes they have some Interesting things that are Somewhat Borrowed in Future Movies.

I have to Look at Reading more of the Comics, as i do Hear some have some Interesting Story Lines, i have NOT really Read many.... and NOT for like 15+ Years.  I am always Welcome for Recommendations ;)

"About David being the creator and the cake and eat it. I understand what you say but that's no excuse for making it like that. They should have done it better than that, more alien/unknown"

I think this (Alien Covenant Plot) WAS-NOT the Ideal way to Explore things... the Cake and Eat it Comment is Mainly that the Studio could Give us some of what we Want, but then Likely NOT everything we would have liked to see and i think NO MATTER what they had Done, you would have some Fans who would be Displeased.

"Keep David as a cameo at best or even better, write him out of the story completely"

I think that you could LEAVE THAT as a Mystery... maybe something a Book could LOOK AT..... with the Time-Frame i think its Getting more UNLIKELY as the Years go by that we would have a Continuation to where David is going due to Fassbender Aging and maybe losing Interest.

I think doing a ADF is just the LAZY WAY out of it... they may as-well just Reboot the Prequels.... I think you have to TRY and GIVE some Credit to what the Prequels had done and UPLIFT them.... but LOOK at what had Gone Wrong.

What we have is that David had Started the Process of the Xenomorph, if David had NOT been Put back together then we would have had NO XENOMORPH.. a LOT of People do-not LIKE THIS.. but this is the Direction they Took, some People Totally HATE what JC had done with his Queen and Hive Mind Xenomorphs.

The Xenomorph is NOT YET what we see in ALIEN... and RS has said that it has some EVOLVING to do.... as of 17 Years before the Events of ALIEN the Indication is that there is NO EGGS on LV-426.

At the Present Time of the Prequels (Ending to Alien Covenant) the EGGS are on Planet 4, and ALL that David has is TWO FACE HUGER EMBRYOS.

These Xenomorphs have NOT YET been Evolved to WHAT we see in ALIEN/ALIENS and they ALSO have YET to get on the Derelict Ship which will Eventually get to LV-426

So you have EGGS on Planet 4, the Engineers will RETURN to Planet 4, you Need to see those Eggs Mass Produced and on a Engineer Ship which then has to be in the Vicinity of LV-426 before the Space Jockey Event.

To get from A-Z you do-not have to GO were David is going!

The Engineers are Genetic Engineers, some of them became Fascinated/Obsessed in Creating Horrors.... we can ONLY go and Wonder to HOW they would React to seeing WHAT it is that David had Created!

In Prometheus the Engineer did seem Intrigued with David, but then saw a Foreshadowing of the Pit-Falls and Hubris of Sub-Creating.  The Engineer took Offense to the Demands of Peter Weyland and Decided to KILL him with the HEAD of his OWN Creation....

Upon the Discovery of WHAT has Happened to Planet 4 the Engineers will be VERY VERY ANGRY.... they will want REVENGE!  They would Surely know that HAD they Destroyed Mankind on Earth then the EVENTS that had Led to the Destruction of those Engineers would NEVER had Happened.

So JUST as the Engineer had Used Davids Head to KILL his Creator... the Engineers could see Davids Xenomorph as something they could USE to KILL OFF all the Humans and then GO LOOK for David.....

IF you have it that the Engineers eventually take some of the Eggs to LV-223 where they then EVOLVE the Xenomorph and USE IT as a Blue-Print to then Create what we have in ALIEN.... and then they MASS PRODUCE and LOAD these on the Derelict and maybe OTHER SHIPS and then OFF THEY GO!

We know the FATE of ONE such Mission.....

You then have Demoted David to merely the MIDDLE MAN... you also IGNORE where he has Gone/Going, and you have the SET-UP for ALIEN... but then you also have it OPEN that there was MORE than ONE SHIP that was Loaded Up...

Where were these other Ships going?  Did they MAKE their Mission?

"I am sorry but I hate when Science Fiction does this, Humans naturally evolve on Earth so anything that evolves else where on a different planet can't possibly be human"

I was looking at this in Context to the Dilemma they had after Prometheus, we have David a Robot and Dr Shaw a Human who are OFF to Find the Engineers Home-World so we can ASSUME..... you maybe Cant have a Movie with just Engineers a Robot and a SINGLE HUMAN... and so this is in PART where they had to Consider bringing in more Humans... which means from Earth which LED to the Engineers World being MUCH closer to Home.

The Writers seem to FORGET the Premise of the Prometheus Plot about our Creators.... Mankinds Evolution was at the HANDS of these Engineers who would come BACK from TIME TO TIME and they would NOT ONLY go and Teach us New Things but they would Genetically Alter us too...  I think its Possible they could TAKE a Number of Humans away to then UPGRADE and then Bring them Back but they could ALSO maybe TAKE some of them to another Place.... or Certainly before we was Destined for Destruction, maybe the Engineers would have came (IF NOT already done so) down to TAKE some Humans Away to other Places.

If we look at this as Possible then it would GIVE us a Good Reason to WHY they would Destroy what they had Spent so Long in Creating/Evolving.  If you wanted to WIPE the SLATE CLEAN because some Humans had Began to Misbehave... you go and TAKE some Human Children/Infants or even some Adults, and you have those Adults Produce a Good Number of Infants then you DISPOSE of the Adults and you have say 20 Human Infants aged between 0-5 Years Old... you can Send them to a New World and Raise them to Follow your Ways, they would NOT be as Corrupt as HOW we see Mankind had gotten too.  ONCE you have these Non-Corrupt and Innocent Children then you HAVE NO NEED for the Humans on Earth... you Wipe that World Clean!

Besides i think the Engineers could Very Well have had Humans Settle on more than Earth.... but i AGREE that sometimes its Interesting to see other ALIEN SPECIES who have NOT a LOT in Common with Humans or Nothing at all and Appear Very ALIEN.... well the Prometheus Plot had LEFT ALL of this OPEN to be Explored.

It probably won't, but the prequels haven't been that good either. He goes on about his movie, but what about Alien and Alien 3, or does he just care about his own material? Give someone else a try as a director because the last two were mixed at best.

Thoughts_Dreams

I actually canonized ADF's Alien Covenant in my fanfiction Aliens versus Predator Universe (AVPU for short)