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Indeed i am sure RS would have wanted the Original to be more Agile, its just limitations you have with a Man in a Suit.

I think indeed the way we have the Xeno Portrayed could be played out as a Evolution of a Engineers Egg, or indeed go the route that Davids Creation will go through some Evolution to get to the 1979 Xenomorph.

I think its kind of open for FOX to go either way still.  But i hope they have a Plan and dont do too many U-Turns again.

Indeed, Parker was on about the Face Hugger which i think led them to assume the Alien must have too hence they would not make any attempt to harm it.  I do think the intention was the Xenomorph had Acid Blood. 

It does raise a Question to why would it need Acid Blood though?  The Face Hugger we can see it clearly was a form of protection to prevent the Organism being removed from the Host.  Well AC showed you dont cut it off, just a bit of elbow grease was needed.... if only Fifield had realized that then he may not have needed to cut the Hammerpede lol

I think Fifield did not end up to good, but they had made further changes as they was happy with Sean Harris Performance and again its something they toned down.

I think the Trilobite had Acid too, and this is where the Burn Came From... the Trilobite Attack is a funny one as the Burn Appears and Disappears a few times during the attack.

It appears thus this is a highly edited shot...  but RS had felt the Original Shot diminished the Engineer and Re-shot a Scene again after Ian Whyte had the Burn Effects applied/finished the Trilobite Scene

By going with the alternative shot where the Engineer was just pissed off and wanted to kill Shaw, they had to remove other scenes due to the No-Burn Mark... and we could assume he suffered this in the Crash.

So i think indeed there was hints at ACID planned in Prometheus but all we are left with was the Hammerpedes only having this.

Fifield indeed could have been in the Process of Changing Still, RS had mentioned that eventually he would have exploded like the Engineers.

Who knows why it was called Planet 4, i think it was just the 4th Planet in the System they had detected the signal like Origae-6 i assume is the 6th Planet in the Origae system.

Some have speculated that the next movie which will tie into Alien more, and Origae-6 being maybe a hint at Origin... means the Planet is connected to Alien... some thinking its LV-426 lol but others indeed thinking it would have its own Race who are connected to the Xeno-Saga... could be.. if there are 3-4 Parties...  then if Origae-6 has Engineers i think this is a bit of a coincidence.. maybe even if it has Humanoids too.

The Source i had did suggest as far as Prometheus 2 by Paglen/Green that Paradise was not the Engineers home world, but just more like a Base/Headquarters within our part of the Galaxy and the Hierarchy above the Engineers does not come from here, but visit it now and again. And this Paradise is just where Mankinds Origins came from.

There was debate as to this being Paradise, some looking at the Tag Line... the Path to Paradise Begins in Hell.  But RS had confirmed this was Paradise.

It will be interesting to find the Last Engineers connection to Paradise, as he said he or they had come from this place... but was he a Original Occupant?  Was they rebellious and then cast out and replaced by those beings on Paradise?  Or was the LV-223 Engineers the Cherubim/Watchers over Paradise.

I think there is a lot to consider in that regards that can open up how the explore this..

I wouldn't say the Proto/Xenomorph in Covenant was an improvement. David obviously sees flaws in his creation via the battle with Daniels. I think the faster gestation period results in a weaker product and that's why in later films it takes longer. To the movement we saw in Covenant I say it has more to do with what we can do with effects now as opposed to 1979. I really hope they stick with the Engineers creates The Deacon, David discovers this and reverse engineers it and modifies it into what we saw in Covenant and that it still needs work. That's my two cents.

Kethol great point about the original xeno!!! I have watched that film and read the novelisation countless times and always just assumed it did have some form of acidic defence like the facehugger.

An assumption probably retrospectively applied from Aliens (where they DO have acid blood)

@Lawrence of Arabia

Again totally agree...  we are on the same page here.. again i was writing my reply while you had put yours... indeed RS feels the David Curve-ball is interesting.

I think some fans dont like it, but the same was for the Space Jockey being Humanoid and Creators of Mankind Curve-ball that came out when they worked on a Alien Prequel.

So i think most of us can accept Davids creation, as long as they show that a Engineer or Elder had become infected with Davids creation between now and Alien.

I worried we would be seeing a Human or Synthetic as the Space Jockey, but the interview comment by RS regarding the 3-4 incoming players/parties which the Engineers will be one of those... has given me HOPE ;)

I think its interesting as it leaves it open for debate.. the Book gives some Fans something to point out and moan about or well just say like how they preferred what the Book was showing.

So FOX can then Gauge Fans Reaction, and they can just as easy show it in the next movie that David just indeed Re-created or Evolved the Xenomorph that the Engineers had created.

If they go this route, then its a bit odd how Paradise would have a EGG as Michelle pointed out too, if this was the case its more likely David got it from LV-223 or LV-426, than there just being a Egg on Paradise.

But we do-not know how much changed draft to draft and what Paradise was to actually be like prior to the re-writes that lead to Alien Covenant... maybe Originally those Beings had been wiped out for the most part by a Xenomorph infestation and David just comes across the remains of it?

I think some changes had happened between the Final Draft and Shooting, changes happened to Prometheus where Scenes planned was cut or even Shot Scenes was cut down or out.... 

Maybe they was going for David Re-creating/Evolving the Xenomorph... but then they had a IDEA.... like " WOW YOU KNOW WHAT... WHAT IF WE GO THE ROUTE THAT DAVID ACTUALLY WAS THE ORIGINAL CREATOR INSTEAD?"

I think at some point RS/FOX did come to a agreement that throwing a Curve-ball that David created the Eggs that end up on the Derelict is something interesting...  I know Prometheus had a lot of Criticism and this Forced FOX to bring back the Xenomorph and Tone down the Prometheus parts

The One Shining Light of Prometheus for Many was David, and RS was very interested in his Character and how it can Evolve and also a Huge Fan of Fassbender and so no wonder they decided to Focus on David and throwing that Curve-ball that he created the Xenomorph.

I think its left open so they can Change the Plot depending on Reaction... they could go and show us David created the Eggs which then are Evolved for Alien, or they can indeed lead us to the route that David just Re-engineers/Improves the Engineers Design.

The way the Xenomorph looked and grew etc did suggest to me this Creation was Evolved compared to the Alien One, Faster more Agile, Faster Gestation and Growth and more Aggressive.... seemed a Evolution/Improvement of sorts.

The book isn't as canon as the film as proven by David delivering a different message to Mu-Th-Ur and Weyland-Yutani at the end of the film and by the previous Foster novels. He only works from the screenplay as opposed to the final product. Ridley also stated that originally it was the Engineers who created the Xenomorph but changed it to David because it was more interesting to which I agree.

I think this is one of those things that sparks a different kind of debate depending on what Source we use... its like so Many of Prometheus clues and Ambiguity.

I had come to a conclusion that the Mural was a Organism they Sacrificed to create the Black Goo... a few Months after i had came to this conclusion, the Alien Engineers draft got leaked and then when i read it, then it seemed to point to my conclusion being correct.

But then its open to what clues you use, if i was to ignore and never point out things from Spaights Draft, or point out how the Altar had a Sacrificial Bowl instead of that Crystal then to a degree these was all clues i could use to back up my case as far as my Theory was concerned... if we never ever had Alien Engineers Draft or Lindeloffs Paradise and the Trailers had the Crystal and not the Sacrificial Bowl, then i would maybe be not 100% committed to the conclusion i had, as it would have a few doubts raised.

And so the case is the same with the Oram Egg Scene, regarding if we go by the Movie, or the Book,  the movie leaves it a bit open to interpretation but hints at David being the Creator.. The Book is a bit open to but hints much more to David Re-Engineering the Eggs.

Alan-Dean Fosters interview indeed adds that it could be either way and was meant to be a bit ambiguous but more on the side of it being more likely David Re-created the Xenomorph.

While Ridley Scott has came out and said that David indeed is the Creator of the Xenomorph...

I think a lot of Problems arise just as with Prometheus due to changes in how they wish to portray the story just before Shooting compared to the earlier Drafts/Screen Plays and so ADF had no doubt received a earlier Draft/Screen Play to Work off.

It would be like if he did Prometheus Novel and his ending would have shown the Engineer gets up (no Face Burn), leaves his Pilot Chair and walks across the surface of LV-223 and then arrives at the Life Boat, finds the Books and has a Read, admires the Violin Girl etc.... so basically the Deleted Engineer vs Shaw scene plus few bits that was shot but never shown.

Compared to the Movies ending where the Engineer just barges in with his Face Burnt and goes to push Shaw.

Also sometimes Production goes underway before the shooting takes place...  with Prometheus the Juggernaught was planned and Production underway and also the idea of the Chest Busted Engineers from Spaights Draft.. when Lindeloff came in to rewrite the movie some Production was underway and while Sets and Props had somewhat began work on... they remained instead of being changed. hence why Prometheus gave no indication or clues to the Chest Busted Engineers apart from those with keen eyes to spot the Cryo-Pods... which maybe why this raised a lot of Questions.

If indeed these props was for Alien Engineers then that draft clearly informs us the Engineers had been infected with Face Huggers.

And so another Example of this is with AC, where they may have designed the Xenomorph Suit/Props to take into account this is  a EVOLUTION  by David Re-Engineering if these Suits/Props was worked on at the same time ADF did his Novel.

But then they changed things for Shooting, so that maybe David actually now creates the Xenomorph but its too late to go and change all the work already being done..

So they would now go the route to explain the changes in Xenomorph appearance are because Davids creation has to go through some Evolution still to become the Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph from ALIEN

You make a lot of valid points BigDave, particularly regarding Paradise. It is called Planet 4 and not Planet 1 lol Hmm can't wait till Awakening and hopefully we'll get some answers.

@BigDave - Yes, I have read both drafts of the script many times. In the actual movie they went with a more humanoid version of Fifield, not the advanced form in the script or the original cut scenes. As I said, he was still in the process of transforming into something, so perhaps not there yet, thus no indication yet of acidic blood.

Regarding the Parker line you quoted from Alien - he was referring to the face hugger. The xeno had not yet been born.

Whether it was an oversight or not (I have never heard that), it is film canon that the original xeno was shown NOT to have acidic blood. The xeno breed in Aliens did, but not the original.

@Kethol

Indeed that is a Good Point, again this may be a Oversight on their part... as i think the intention was it had Acid Blood, right from the Earlier Drafts.  Why Parker said "one hell of a defense mechanism you dare not kill it"  but off course this could be him Assuming it would have Acid Blood like the Face Hugger.

On to the OT... indeed i think there is a lot of stuff done with the Franchise where each time they change and add stuff without keeping to the Lore or the Original or Previous movies, there seems to be no consistency.

HOWEVER...

Fifield was to had been a different Monster, they did many versions of it, but from the Drafts it was to have taken on a more Xenomorph look well it was to show us that Fifield had became a Xeno/Human Hybrid but they Toned this down when shooting Prometheus and even never had ACID Blood.

Alien: Engineers which is the Original Prequel idea to Alien that FOX had decided to tone down and get Lindeloff in to Re-write... but in Spaights draft Fifield was a Xeno Hybrid and he did indeed have Acid Blood.

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A FIGURE IN A WHITE SPACE SUIT lies writhing weakly.
The insignia on the suit’s chestplate reads FIFIELD. The
suit’s helmet is shattered. Inside the helmet, Fifield’s head
is a horror: a gelatinous mass, skin reduced to putty.
The softened bones of his skull change shape as we watch.
Elongating. Fifield mews in pain.

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The figure turns.
The label stencilled on the space suit reads FIFIELD. But the
face is of no human shape. A hideous hybrid of the crewman
and a hard-shelled Alien, pale and horrific.
Its helmet has been shattered by the growth of its elongate
skull. Spines have burst through the suit from within, down
the crewman’s spine. Clawed fingers piercing his gloves.

=======

A ROAR of gunfire. The dying Shepherd empties his clip into
Fifield from forty feet away.
Acid sluices over Vickers as Fifield collapses on top of her.
She dies horribly, caustic liquid eating through space suit,
flesh and bone.

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I don't think Ridley mis-spoke at all. When he said "this thing designed to make human beings", the "thing" he was referring to was the creation goop we see in Prometheus prologue. He was just saying if you think the Engineers made that stuff, you are wrong. That's what I heard, anyway.

Damon Lindeloff hinted at this many times in interviews as well, saying things like "there are these beings that may or may not have created us".

Are we sure the Engineers are male? They might be androgynous and have both male and female traits like the biblical angels did. They most likley dont have sex organs and are as anatomically correct as a Ken doll. No wonder they are pissed.

Also i bet they have plasma based wepons those would seal the wound as it lops off the Aliens limbs. 

I think Kethol this is the great thing with Prometheus, its ambiguity and so no one theory can be claimed as 100% what has happened, its left open to debate where many people can come to different conclusions.

I think Originally it had a Sacrificial Purpose.. but then we dont know how they are evolving the Franchise and so indeed the Scene with David and the Chest Buster where David raised his arms can look like the same as the Deacon.

I saw that Scene as David raising his hands a a Puppet Master does to then allow the Puppet via strings to perform the same pose.  Thus showing David is the Master and Creator of these Organisms.

But again thats how i saw that scene and people will come to different conclusions which is all part of the fun of debating on here.... Where there is Ambiguity it opens up for debate...

Lindeloff is kind of proud of Prometheus for this, as he stated in a Interview before.. that if there was no Ambiguity and it was all Spoon Fed then Websites and Youtube would have less to Talk About.

@Kethol

Agree with your last post, this has to be a connection.. i however think we need to not read into Ridley Scotts did not create Humans comment.

I feel it was a misquote...

"So we've reinvented the idea of Alien, I think, which is that Covenant gets us a step closer to who and why was this thing designed to make human beings. And if you think it's them [the Engineers], you're dead wrong"

We have to understand AC was to show us how the Xenomorph came to be and Who created it, a lot of us would think the Engineer/Space Jockey Race... which is where RS pointed out And if you think it's them [the Engineers], you're dead wrong Ridley Scott was pointing at the Large Head Room in Alien Covenant when he made this comment.

I think what RS means is to Replace MAKE with Destroy or Kill.

"So we've reinvented the idea of Alien, I think, which is that Covenant gets us a step closer to who and why was this thing designed to KILL/DESTROY human beings. And if you think it's them [the Engineers], you're dead wrong"

If you then look at that and see how its revealed David created the Xeno and not the Engineers and David created such a Horrid Weapon to destroy Mankind then AC has all the clues to back this up... 

Then again its how i see it, the direct quote could have meant otherwise but i think RS meant Kill and not Create.

Here is another Interview RS had made this comment

"If the engineers were the forerunners of the human race on Earth, and therefore were creators of life forms in places that were possible for biology to function.

But who created that?

Where's the big boy?

Or should we think this was all an accident?"

And so i think its likely the Engineers played a role in our Creation at the very least Genetically we are connected, the Sacrificial Scene was to show how Mankind was created.

But this could be any place, even Paradise and so if the Sacrificial Scene lead to Humanoids on Paradise, at some point the result of this Sacrificial Scene, (Humanoids) would have played a Role in how Mankind came to be.

I really hope we delve deeper into all of this in future movies.

I never saw the ultramorph/protomorph arms-wide pose as anything to do with sacrifice, although clearly something is destroyed to create using the pathogen.

I saw the arms-wide pose as simply the ultramorph/protomorph figure being central result, and the arms encompassing the various forms of creation all around it in the mural.

Even David spread his arms wide when his 'success' was born, and it did the same back to him.

Yep, definitely over his head :)

He was in the process of transforming into something, so perhaps not there yet, but why would the resulting organism need to have acid for blood? 

The original xenomorph in Alien certainly did not. The facehugger did, but not the xeno. Watch the ending of Alien, particularly the part where a speargun is shot into his gut. Not only does the fluid spray not dissolve the hull and smoke, it does not even dissolve the spear head.

I can see how it looked like a Xenomorph type Head, the rear of the head... but i am not sure thats the case, but we have no official answer so any thing goes really.

I think MICHELLE summed up most of it spot on..

Originally it had a Sacrificial Bowl/Cup

This was very clever work by RS to show us the scale of the Engineers as we see the size difference to Holloway compared to the Sacrificial Engineer, the difference would make the Engineers 12-15ft Tall.... But Alas with no Special Effects etc all we got was 7ft Actors who looked 7.5ft in most of the shots.

But the Mural in Sacrificial Pose, is to represent Sacrifice, Christians worship Christ on the Cross not because of it showing GOD, but that it showed Christ had Sacrificed himself to Save Mankind.

Jon Spaights Alien: Engineers had the Engineer take Cruciform pose before he was broken down and fell into the Water-fall..... in his Draft the Goo was replaced by Scarabs and when we see how they worked in his Draft... and apply it to Prometheus then we can see the Deacon Mural shows the Engineers had Sacrificed this Organism to then Create the Goo that is contained within the Urns.... the Deacon Organism was thus exposed to the Sacrificial Goo.

But during the Edit of Prometheus a lot of Scenes was cut, and a lot of changes compared to how the movie was to be prior to Shooting...  They (FOX) attempted to address the Black Goo by releasing a File that explained it but this just contradicted the movie.

The Crystal was thus a replacement maybe to show a Change of Direction to where they was going.

A Source i had who claimed to have information and seen a few early concepts for Prometheus 2 as of November 2014 had claimed that  Paradise was a loose version of Paradise from the Bible, a Place where Humanoid Creation came from.

This place had among a Orchard that was at the end of a like path/courtyard that was described to be like some Ancient Egyptian Valley of the Kings/Luxor Monuments.. at the end of this Path  was a Obelisk that was neither Rock or Metal and it appeared to be Growing from the Ground with Roots... it had some Markings on it... but at the center it Glowed Green

This was in effect the Biblical Tree of Life and Tree of Knowledge, it was the Source of the Engineers (or their Hierarchy) Tool for Creation and Power.

Thus the LV-223 Engineers had Stolen a Shard of this Crystal Obelisk....  The Obelisk thus likely the Source of the Sacrificial Goo.

But again i can not confirm if this information is correct, only if we see a Paglen/Green Draft or related concept work released would we be able to see if this was correct.

A conservative estimate is I have spent enough on merch to see AC in my local theater at least 14 times. That should count for their bottom line at least some.

I found nothing in Foster's book that made it sound like this was ambiguous. In fact, it seemed he went out of his way to make it very unambiguous and imply that all David did was cross breed and hybridize to make his own version of the protomorph/ultramorph.

Even in the movie it seemed they went out of their way to indicate that cross breeding was all David could do. He had no advanced technology to work with. Everything in his lab looked primitive, like he made it all by hand. It was about as advanced as a biologist's lab from the 1700s or 1800s (Shelley's Frankenstein-The Modern Prometheus era). The only complex instruments I saw in the movie were his microscopes, and even those looked hand made. There was no indication at all that he had any complex equipment with which to do custom modifications at the genetic 'gene-splicing' level. 

In that AVP interview Foster said this when asked if David 'tinkered with material left behind by the Engineers' - "I just got the feeling that David was working with material that had been left behind by the Engineers, and he’s been playing around with it...It is possible that the Engineers developed the xenomorph, or it is possible that David developed a more advanced version of the xenomorph"

This is what he said when asked if he wrote David's line in the book saying the xeno was an "advanced model" -

"Yes… I felt that that line was necessary, and Fox left it in there. They did not object to it, so fans can make of that whatever they will."

I think the Asian Markets may Save AC skin...

I wondered a while back if these markets could take the movie between $220-250M Mark but i felt a lot would depend on China... as i felt Japan would have taken it to about $210-220M mark

I would expect now that AC will have a Final Box Office of about $250M  which means it would have about Broken Even.

I think this is better news for a Sequel but i feel a Sequel was gonna happen anyway.. i just hope RS/FOX learn from their mistakes and also invest more of a Budget and Time.

But this is he tricky part... figure why AC did not attract as much as Prometheus did.  I think FOX Genuinely thought this movie would do better than Prometheus.

@BigDave I really hope RS doesn't reboot after Alien. I love the subsequent films and the Ripley saga and I feel like it'll be a disservice and hurt the franchise. Aside from how I feel I don't think this'll be the case considering the upcoming 6 film collection. It'll confuse audiences.

@Theghost

I think Lawrence of Arabia answered those Questions well

The Mural was not a Xenomorph, Prometheus set up the clues to show is the Xenomorph was a related Event/Experiment that had a connection to the Black Goo... the Xenomorph either came from the Black Goo, or it was the Source of the Black Goo or the Xenomorph and Black Goo came from another Parasitic Organism the Engineers had encountered/experimented on or created/experimented on.

Alien Covenant changed things a bit, to show David creates the Xenomorph, or he starts the Process of its Creation (The Novel hints that David discovered  a Egg and Face Hugger however).  But we have to consider the Movie as more CANON... as the Prometheus drafts and clues would have taken us on a different route.

My theory is the Engineers was infected by a similar Parasitic Organism, they then looked on in awe at the Chest Busting Organism as a way they can Create Life by giving Birth and so conducted a lot of Experiments on this Organism until they created the Deacon in the Mural... then they used its DNA in those Urns.

Regarding Paradise

Its open for debate this one... RS confirmed them as Engineers, but then he said while Mankind has many different versions, and the Engineers are Genetically related to us, then why cant the Engineers have different varieties... he also said the ENGINEERS are not a RACE... But a Civilization.

And so i think they had Originally lost the ability to Procreate or even lost their Females, so they had to Create in other ways.  I think the Sacrificial Route was a way to try and re-start creation to eventually lead to a Humanoid Race that can Procreate or has Females so the Engineers can then Procreate its Kind and so Paradise as a number of mixed Race Engineers if thats the right word?  Some more Engineer than other some more Human.

I think Paradise is a place that Humanoid life was first Seeded, and where the Engineers Hierarchy use it as a the Gene-pool to collect Sacrifices for Seeding other worlds or maybe some other Purpose.

Another Option is the different looking Engineers are a Oversight, they was not on Screen Long and so for the few seconds up close they felt there was no need to go into as much Detail with Make up as in Prometheus or use Blackout Contact Lenses.

I think we need to also remember Paradise as in its Biblical Connection and Paradise Lost.

*Paradise is not where GOD (Gods) come from.

*Paradise is not where the ANGELS come from.

*Paradise is the Cradle of Human Civilization (Adam/Eve)

*Paradise is where the Garden of Eden was (single place where Mankind was allowed to dwell in peace under Gods Laws)

*Paradise was watched over/guarded by Cherubim Angels.

If you consider this, then it makes a bit more sense.

@Lawrence of Arabia

Indeed the Engineers/Space Jockey were never a part of the Alien Franchise or their Technology.. only as far as the Dead Pilot and his Cargo.

So indeed they had to think of a way to cover the Engineers that did not contradict what the Franchise showed us.. Prometheus had all those Engineers dead to show us a GOOD REASON none of them got involved with Humanity in the Franchise.. apart from Prometheus.

We had to ask why those from Paradise or other Home-worlds never came back to LV-223 but this is a whole different subject for debate...  we know the ones on Paradise are no threat because David Bombarded them.

And so indeed if the Engineers come back into the next few movies we have to wonder what role and do they all die at the end of it?  Or once they have dealt with the Xeno and David and maybe destroy LV-223 they ride off into the Sunset never to return.

I have a feeling One Ship will go and investigate and its crew all die by the Xenomorph and maybe other threats... but then the Last Engineer will try and take the Ship some place but get infected HENCE the Space Jockey... i really hope this is the route they are taking.

Another Consideration.... 

We do-not know how far RS is going with the Franchise, i think Alien will be kept as Canon and i think if any Engineers intercept David it will likely be after he arrives at Origae-6 which would mean after the year 2112 and so the Derelict could be on LV-426 for up to 10 years before Alien.

IF.... RS Reboots a Sequel to Alien and so removes Aliens from Canon (which will anger a lot of people) then he could bring Engineers back into it, as they go in search of the SOS Space Jockey Signal and set a Sequel directly after Alien or few years or even 10 years after.

If RS keeps Aliens and Alien 3 as Canon... then indeed we would have to think why the Engineers never returned some 60 + years or up to say 70+ after discovering the aftermath of what David had done on Paradise, and then what ever role they play in Alien Awakening.

I hope they cover some aspect that would explain why they dont return in the Alien Movies... again if Aliens is ignored from Canon they can indeed be brought almost directly back

Alright, Ati let's hope that's the case!

@Lawrence of Arabia

Same here!

@Lawrence of Arabia 

Thanks!

@BigDave

Awesome points!

How cool would that be!? To see Engineer weapons specifically designed for use against Xenomorphs???

I've been buying tons of merch so I hope it helps :)

"Hey...wait a minute! ...What about if the Engineers have a heat-sword that CAUTERIZES the xeno's wound as it cuts!?"

I was doing my reply before i noticed this.. and indeed i touched upon this.. i would think the Engineers would use such a Weapon, especially if they was aware of the Xenomorph or related Organisms in the past ;)

VivisectedEngineer brings up a valid point.

If the Engineer Culture are as Advanced and Ancient as we are led to believe and they are aware that the Black Goo can create similar Organisms to the Xenomorph, Deacon and Neomorph and are aware they have Acid Blood.

Then if the Engineers are aware of this and are off to knowingly encounter such a threat then i would assume they would have the Technology to take care of it.

Hand-to-Hand Weapons that Project Heat/Energy (erm like Light-Sabres) to a degree... so that Wounds caused are healed up by the Energy/Heat of the Blade.  Thus lesson the potential of Acid Blood.

Long-Range Weapons that are either Energy Blasts, where a high powered Super Hot Projectile hits the Target and in effect incinerates it (but we dont have to go all Star Trek).  Or that have some other Effect to Disable a Organism such as a Large Microwave/Radioactive Blast that causes iInternal Organs to just Shut Down.  Or somehow Render the Xenomorphs Brain dead so they just drop to the ground in a Pile... No Acid Blood...

Are what i think the Engineers would deploy.  But then we have to wonder what kind of Defensive options they have.. The Predators have the Cloaking Device... maybe Engineers could have some device that gives them a Shield of Sorts.

But then why did the Juggernauts not have Offensive Weapons and especially some kind of Shield if the Engineers had this capability.

I think because the Juggernauts are simply Gardening/Seeding Ships that by its Method can eradicate life too... we have to assume if say 5 Engineers on every continent performed the Sacrificial Scene the resulting Material would infect all life and Mutate it into more Engineer DNA Lifeforms.

I think the LV-223 Engineers just decided to use Xeno-strain DNA in their Gardening Seeding Urns as opposed to Engineer/Humanoid DNA.

I agree, this definitely not a deacon head. This jem is probably some parallel to amber. I always presumed it held the original form or the pathogen, hence is position on an altar at the foot of a mural depicting the various creations it can be used for.

Basically it is just saying 'from this, came all of this'.

Ridley has hinted a few times that the Engineers are not the ones who designed humans, so it may be that they found, stole, or were given the original material from which all forms of the pathogen are based. Hence all the suggestions at parallels to the story of Prometheus.

@BigDave

"I think a Engineer Armed with a Sharp Engineer Sword, that may also have some kind of Energy/Heat Field to it (to make it more deadly) would indeed Cut through Xenomorphs like a Knife through Butter.... but then i think Acid Blood would be massive Concern."

Hey...wait a minute! ...What about if the Engineers have a heat-sword that CAUTERIZES the xeno's wound as it cuts!? That way, the Engineers can inflict damage without getting acid on themselves!

ViviEngi - Yes, I don't know much about that, but members here claim that the real business is the money coming from the merch sales.

@Ati

Well, what about merchandise sales, do they count for anything? Man, I hope we get that sequel. I've already seen it in theaters 5 times! The rest of my money is going to merch.

@VivisectedEngineer

I think it depends on the Engineers we get... the Elders looks Frail, those beings on Paradise looked less of a threat and some did not appear to be much larger than Humans but as some leaked working on Props showed some were indeed similar to the Prometheus Engineers (7ft odd) looking again and various images i think the Paradise beings varied from about over the 6ft mark to about over the 7ft mark and so i would say 6ft2" to 7ft 4" seemed to be about the variation.

I would think a Race as such would fair better than a Human but would not fair to well... The LV-223 Engineers was intended to be 9-10ft but off course the Illusion due to not using Special Techniques and Effects.. was only about 7.5ft"

Looking at the Engineer in Prometheus i think they could certainly throw a Predator around, and a Xenomorph but i think there Suits would help with some Wounds, but without any Helmets i would think a Xeno Strike could inflict some serious Damage.

I think the main thing with the Xenomorph that movies after Alien seemed to not take into account as much, was the Acid Blood... so you would have to disable a Xenomorph without causing any Puncture Wounds or Breaks that would cause Acid Blood... i feel that this was indeed a Great Defensive Capability that is overlooked in a lot of the other movies.

I think a Engineer Armed with a Sharp Engineer Sword, that may also have some kind of Energy/Heat Field to it (to make it more deadly) would indeed Cut through Xenomorphs like a Knife through Butter.... but then i think Acid Blood would be massive Concern.

If you go and watch Star Ship Troopers again or its sequels (oh dear) and every single Splash of Bug Blood on the Humans you imagine this stuff being as corrosive as the Acid from the Xenomorph  then you count how many more casualties there would be.

So i think a 8-10ft Engineer if they showed their Military like this would with bear hands be able to wrestle and throw a Xenomorph with not much effort, but i think the Xenomorphs Claws, Teeth and Tail would pose a Problem... but i think they could find ways to disable a Xeno with little or no Blood.

Bring in a Advanced Hand to Hand Weapon and the Engineers would surely be able to take care of Xenomorphs, but i am not sure about being out-numbered as the Xeno is fast... the concern would be how much Acid Splash Damage a Engineer can take.

I would assume a Military component of such a Ancient Race as the Engineers would not be going around killing enemies with their bear hands.... i see the Engineers as being a Race that like to take care of things the simple way with less effort.. while a Lot of Time and Effort may go into Creation.... i think with regards to Destruction they would choose the quicker and more easy route... hence the Juggernauts.

And so i would think the Engineers would use Advanced Technology that could take out a enemy without the Engineers getting their hands dirty so to speak.

If it reaches 260 million, we'll get the sequel, I think... I hope...

I'm with BigDave, if it's executed properly it'll be badass. The Engineers can be towering powerhouses but do not regulate the Xenomorph to an easily killable bug. If they can present the Xenomorph as a cunning predator that instills fear it can work imo.

Yes I noticed the mothership before.