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I want to see Engineers as an elite enemies/mini-bosses. Because in this case you will meet them more often.

I think the Elder Scene was of Importance but the Reasons behind it are something that maybe Changes as with Quite a bit of the Story over Time/Drafts.  As those working on the Prequels seem to Change their Minds a lot, and a lot of it is Ambiguous.

At the TIME that the Scene was SHOT then it had Highlighted that the Sacrificial Scene was a Highly Ritualistic Event.  We have YET to even see the FULL Scene as Daniel Twiss (who played the Sacrificial Engineer) had said he had to Learn a Few Lines of ALIEN Dialect.  On the Bonus Material we did get to see some Dialect from the ONE ELDER, and then some of the Shooting Script with a Translation.

"Let your body become the dirt. Your blood become the waters, and may your soul become their way back to us."

We should not really look into that too Literally though, as the Planet already had Dirt and Water, but what we know is the Engineer is Donating his Body to Create Life, and RS had said the Engineers Choose to do this and said it was like how some Ancient Cultures would Choose Sacrifices.  We had RS said the Engineers can Create Life in other ways but they Seed the Worlds in this way, it would appear they see this EVENT as Very Important and maybe a HONOR?

The Full Scene with Sub-Titles would have Revealed maybe too much, it seemed RS wanted to NOT reveal too much about WHY the Engineers do what they do in the First Movie.

But i would say YES there would seem to be RITUALS and WAYS of the Engineers that they ABIDE too, it would seem the Creation Tool (The Original Goo/Pathogen) was something they USE to Create/Evolve Life and there must have been RULES to Govern HOW and WHEN this is to be USED.

It is SAFE to assume the Engineers had USED this Pathogen/Goo to Create Life for Millions of Years....  it would seem its SOLE PURPOSE was NOT what we saw in Prometheus on LV-223.  So IF those Engineers are Consider the FALLEN this means maybe they had been USING the Creation Tool in a WAY that it was NOT meant to be USED.

Ridley Scott had said that LV-223 was for the Creation of Bio-Weapons to USE on Mankind (maybe others too) but he also said the ENGINEERS would go to Worlds they deem a Failure and WIPE the Slate Clean.... well if this is the CASE i would say DROPPING DOWN like Hundreds of Urns of the SACRIFICIAL GOO would be the IDEAL way to FACTORY RESET a World... looking HOW this had Affected the Sacrificial Engineer.

With LV-223 we do know that INDEED there are Consequences to using the Creation Tool, while Prometheus is Ambiguous i think that SPAIGHTS DRAFTS do give us more Clarity.  With the Scarabs we could see more Clearly that it appeared at some POINT some of the Engineers had been Playing with Fire (Creation Scarabs) by using them to OBTAIN and Exploit the DNA of some other Organism that is the Biological Genesis of the Xenomorph if you would.

So i think that to LOOK at WHY would have been Important as it seems the Engineers Priority was Creation but also Survival and Especially if we look at Spaights Pitch.  Back then the Engineers had been a Humanoid Race who over Millions of Years had made Advancements to Prolong their Lives, they abandoned Sexual Reproduction and eventually LOST the Ability to Procreate.

This would GIVE a Good Reason for the Sacrificial Scene if it was a ATTEMPT to Create/Evolve a Humanoid Species so that they can Procreate again?  However Spaights had indicate that they Created us so that we can INHERIT what they had Created when the TIME had come for the Engineers to TRANSCEND from the Physical World into Multidimensional Beings.

This seems to Indicate the Engineers had managed to EXTEND their Lives but they had NOT really become IMMORTAL and so they was LOOKING at WAYS so they can LIVE-ON and their SOULS to be Free of the Restraints of a Biological Body.

By the TIME we get to his last Few Drafts we have NO indication of this.... it seemed to touch more on the Development of Various Xenomorphs to be USED to SMITE those they saw as a Threat or WHO they had Fallen Out of Favor with.

WHEN i look at the LAST Movie of the Franchise which is Alien Resurrection i find it Fascinating that the Xenomorph DNA had LED to RIPLEY 8 having the Memories of Ripley... this seemed to INDICATE the Xenomorph can PASS ON some kind of Genetic Memory Transfer.

To me this is KIND OF a KEY to some kind of Reincarnation and After-Life.  If this is the CASE then THIS makes PERFECT sense for WHY those Engineers had began to Experiment with the Ancestor of the Xenomorph.... if it was to UNLOCK as to WHY maybe this Organism has Genetic Memory Transfer/Reincarnation.

This is NOT to say WHAT has been going on, i just think it would make PERFECT SENSE.   But its likely that THEY had FAILED to Obtain this.... and all they could Create was HORRORS and so the Original Parasite that they Experimented on may have had a INTENTION but all they ENDED UP with was a Consequence.

"When Ridley Scott had said that IN-PART that Prometheus was about the SOUL and IMMORTALITY i dont think he had PLANS to show us that when we DIE we DO go to HEAVEN!

I think it was to SHOW that the Faith of Dr Shaw had been Proven to be WRONG about WHO our Creator is.... and so its LIKELY that her Faith is WRONG about the After-Life and Soul."

Logan Marshall Green made the point that he represented the scientific view and Elizabeth the faith based view and that neither were right the out come was a train wreck.

What that implies is that whilst we would have been shown that creation is galvanised through science (The Genesis Cup) there are rules of engagement. This was not going to be nihilistic. The footnote the creature the unintended consequence is. 

The eight noble savages in "the arrival of the engineers" had the power of creation in their hands but there was a code and part of that was a promise of a return of the soul.

How soul is defined and where it resides will never be answered by the films, even as they came to edit Prometheus they moved it closer to 'the routine' rather than the philosophical but those ideas cast a shadow over the film.

The Pebble Ship is not an accident and the consequences of their seeding was to produce an Engineered outcome. It follows that they gave thought to what happens when the outcomes cease. Their appearance by the waterfall had purpose. There was a plan. 

In my work Elizabeth is more wrong about where they go than the moon. In Prometheus Weyland is nearly responsible for the end of mankind. In my extension Elizabeth is potentially responsible for the end of creation. 

I think YES it was RIGHT to make the Engineers appear more Human as THIS does FIT with the Ancient Astronaut kind of PLOT where Many Accounts of Ancient Gods/Religions have our Gods as being VERY HUMAN looking.

If we introduced a RACE who are ABOVE the Engineers and their Creators, do we then make them LESS HUMAN?  I think maybe but maybe you DONT make them too FAR APART and ALIEN looking?

"Last thing we need is to venture into Star Trek / Star Wars universe"

Who knows what the PLANS would have been for RS had the Prequels been a GREAT SUCCESS!  I think he would have SHOWN us Various Worlds with Various Races and i do think some would be Humanoid but Different and so i would NOT say that he would have STEERED AWAY from being a bit of a Star Trek/Star Wars.

It would be Interesting to see what Arcturian Poontang looks like as in the Arcturians as a Species.. are they a Creation by the Engineers? could they be a Creation by David?

"She is like the drug dealer"

Indeed MonsterZero thats a Interesting take on it by Michelle.

Mortality is something that is of GREAT FEAR for Many.  With Peter Weyland he was a MAN of Science and you can BET that he UNLIKELY had any FAITH in a Magical God who lives in the Clouds and HAVING a Immortal Soul that would LIVE ON after Death for THOSE who have Faith and Loyalty and Worship to the LORD.

You can be SURE that he had made MANY kind of Medical Advances that could Cure many Ailments and Illnesses but we are still STUCK to that BIOLOGICAL CLOCK that will ONE DAY... just STOP TICKING.

Our Peter Weyland being 100 Years Old and knowing he is Coming Close to Death, must have came to the Conclusion that there was NO-WAY he could Achieve any kind of Longevity or Immortality he was soon to be at DEATHS DOOR, and so for HIM when he Received the Quiet Eye message from Dr Shaw, he saw this as a LAST DITCH Effort to FIND a CURE for his Mortality.... in the HOPE that Dr Shaw and Holloway are Correct and they will FIND our MAKERS.

Then our MAKERS could surely grant Weyland more LIFE.

And so YES its via the HOPE that Dr Shaw and Holloway are Correct that Weyland has that CHANCE that he could be Saved/Extend his Mortality.

But i do think that PRIOR to this LAST DITCH... with NOTHING TO LOSE. I think that Weyland would have had some Obsession in TRYING to FIND a way to Extend his Mortality through SCIENCE.

In the Idea i had for Prometheus 2 in 2013 i had touched on WEYLAND as FAR as WHAT he was doing to CHEAT DEATH and it would have GAVE more of a Reason to WHY he was so INVESTED in A.I and David......... for maybe this was PART of his PLAN to CHEAT DEATH.

When Ridley Scott had said that IN-PART that Prometheus was about the SOUL and IMMORTALITY i dont think he had PLANS to show us that when we DIE we DO go to HEAVEN!

I think it was to SHOW that the Faith of Dr Shaw had been Proven to be WRONG about WHO our Creator is.... and so its LIKELY that her Faith is WRONG about the After-Life and Soul.

We see Weyland kind of MOCK his Creation.... saying he is Immortal but has NO SOUL.... when IRONICALLY it is David who is Actually the ONE with a IMMORTAL SOUL and a AFTER-LIFE.

Even our Creators the Engineers could NOT go and Achieve this... they are MORTAL AFTER ALL...... but they had Managed to Prolong the Degradation of their Bodies... beyond the Limits of the Human Body, but for the Millions of more Years they have been around you would ASSUME they had TRIED to Achieve their OWN kind of IMMORTALITY.

The Pitch for the Prequels by John Spaights seemed to Indicate this.

"She is like the drug dealer with the solution to his need and he ignores the implicit dangers of her offer."

Love this.

I'd love to read a Peter Weyland adventure. He must have searched for the answer at some time in his life......not in a trillion dollar spaceship like the end of his life......But maybe testing an experimental light speed vessel or something.

I have a hard time thinking he sat around a office all day....During the great space expansion....Maybe sat around a office aboard a starship all day.

I'm just glad they kept the Engineers human, not giving them prosthetic ears / nose / etc.... Last thing we need is to venture into Star Trek / Star Wars universe. ( IMHO )

Absolutely Michelle, the ROLE of Weyland was Changed more to FIT with his NEED to gain IMMORTALITY and i think it was GREAT Change. There are a Number of Hints to WHAT is Immortality in Context to the Franchise.

Weyland is a Pioneering Scientist... i am sure he had TRIED HARD to Attain a Longevity before he could NOT really become IMMORTAL and so he Turned to Dr Shaw and her Gods as a Desperate and Last Ditch Effort to LIVE.

There are a Number of Interesting Underlying Themes that could have been Explored more, the Potential was there for THIS to be more than a Creature Feature.   I am sure that Peter Weyland was NOT the First Creator who THOUGHT he should NEVER DIE.... i think our Engineers had attempted this too.  But in the END they were also MORTAL after all.

"The story has been hijacked by this David-focus"

It seems that THIS was the Main Force behind the Prequels, looking back before Alien Covenant (inc the Drafts) there seems to had been 3 other sets of Concepts,(where it was about David)  and IF the Source i had was Correct then even prior to THEM what we had again was a Story that was Central to David.... and WHAT he would Create.

Some Fans are ok with this, to Degree and others SIMPLY do-not want any Story about Androids....

And so when i mention ALPHA-RACE i mainly think that you could go and EXPLORE another Race who are ABOVE the Engineers, they could be LESS-HUMAN or even Totally NOT Humanoid.

I only Mention such a Race in Context to David in regards to WHAT i think was going to come NEXT and so in that Case it would NOT have been a ALPHA RACE but more a OMEGA RACE.

I suspect that David would Create a more Perfect Human Species from those Human Embryos and he would Charade to them that he is their GOD and Creator...  UNTIL other Humans Turn up and his Creations then DISCOVER their TRUE ORIGINS and Davids... and well thats when Creating those beings becomes a DOWNFALL for David.

And so i SUSPECT that the Space Jockey would have been either David (in a Newer Synthetic Body), one of Davids Creations (Humans MK2) or maybe another Synthetic who is TRYING to STOP what David intends.

It may have ENDED UP being a Engineer but i SUSPECT that RS would have Thrown some Curve-balls that LIKELY would have Ruffled more Feathers.

I just dont think MANY Fans would be Happy at such though....

I do THINK that the Franchise could Explore other Races that Created the Engineers or that the Engineers had Created and by doing so either in SETTING a STORY that is FAR FAR AWAY or a VERY LONG TIME AGO... or Both

Well that is the Problem... because if you look at ALIEN R, AVP and AVPR and looking at ALIEN V then it shows that the Writing Staff just DONT have anything Good to Provide us, they all seem Revolve around Xenomorphs.

The WAR OF THE WORLDS is a Interesting Comment, who knows what he Meant?  There is the Potential for that in the Franchise, but you RUN the Risk of Conflicting with the ALIEN Franchise.

If we have the Future after AC and so 2105-2122 where you have David and his Creations, VS the Engineers, VS Mankind then THIS would Conflict with ALIEN and more so ALIENS.

Unless this ELEMENT comes to PLAY after the events of ALIENS/ALIEN 3 or if the Prequels would CLOSE that Time-Line to ALIEN in that we END the Conclusion with the Derelict Landing down on LV-426 like 2-5 Years before ALIEN.

Then AFTER we have ALIEN we have more of Davids Horrors, we have more of the Engineers we get a WAR OF THE WORLDS.... But this would Conflict ALIEN!

NOT if RS would remove ALIENS from Canon....

Ridley Scott said you could BRING BACK our Ripley... you could DE-AGE her and so we have to WONDER as to WHAT he meant?

Replace Alien 3 and Alien R?  Or could he mean to do a ALTERNATIVE set of Sequels to ALIEN that would FIT with his War of the Worlds Vision?

But you could ALSO just Explore a FAR FAR away Place in the Galaxy that Humans from Earth have NOT even Visited, so you have Engineers,  other Worlds, Creations!

But WHAT about Human Characters?

Well can we just ASSUME that the Earth is the ONLY place that had Humans in our Galaxy/Universe like for Thousands of Years?

BUT how would we Understand them?  Easy Sub-Tittles for a BIT and then they Speak English for our Convenience!

No BODY has a Issue with STAR WARS we have Humans in a Galaxy Far Far Far Away..... you really think Humans in a Galaxy Far Away would SPEAK ENGLISH?

And so its for our Continence (to a Degree) and so YES you can Explore other Areas of the Galaxy, with other Humans and then DO the War of the Worlds with that.

THEY could show us that Humans had came from FAR AWAY and Hundreds of  Thousand of Years ago and THEN after some WAR OF THE WORLDS the Engineers had taken some HUMAN Survivors to Earth to BEGIN again... and THIS is where our History begins.

With a film thats nearly ten years old and has been discussed endlessly I try very hard to avoid repeating myself. 

P R O M E T H E U S was made very very quickly. The change of the mission purpose and placing Weyland on board, with a character that became his daughter was as late into the movie as much as the sets were build for a creature break out rather than something more existential. 

The fact that the prologue of AC predates Prometheus rather like the extras (The Ted Talk and Quiet Eye) shows the film maker trying to give more context to Weyland and his relationship with his creation but that patently does not help the casual film goer. 

The literary driver that Damon introduced of Prometheus was powerful but the connection with Mary Shelley's book could equally have acted to steer the story through the territory with greater subtlety and nuance. 

Weyland was a decrepit old man trying to bend the rules with two children neither of whom loved him whether organic or otherwise. 

When I was asked to back into my work and retell the films story I went someway to addressing these issues by making the narrative knowing and having a much more detailed conversation go on between Weyland and David. Equally Meredith has a proper arc and her eventual demise underwrites one of the key ideas of this story as well providing Janek with the chance to tell the audience what had actually happened on the Moon. 

However last year a friend who is a professional proof reader edited the story for me and he observed as a non involved reader that Weyland appeared to come out of nowhere. My response was to think about adding a flash back which finds Weyland speculating on his growing sense of mortality on the Mars Orbital of early Spaiht's scripts and his musings being interrupted by the quiet eye interventions of Elizabeth. She is like the drug dealer with the solution to his need and he ignores the implicit dangers of her offer. In my original story Elizabeth repeats the error with an even more dangerous invitation so one would be a prelude to the other and remind us the road to hell is paved with good intensions.

I think this expansion into a much more sophisticated environment could have worked but the creature (a foot note) should have been seen off and through looking at Weyland, David and Meredith in more detail the first film could have set up and hinted at what would be found.

The second film could have given power to the first film by making it clear all the answers really were in the first one by analogy and echoing.    

I think the PROBLEM we had to look at is that Different Fans would have Expected Different things.

The BASIC Premise would have been to GO where David and Dr Shaw were going, which we would ASSUME was where the Engineer had said he was from.

Dr Shaw would have been WANTING to know as to WHY the Engineers Created us, and WHY they would come to Visit us and LEAVE some CLUES to the Location of LV-223. She would WANT too know as to WHY show us WHERE this Weapons Facility is Located, and WHY they Intended to Destroy us, WHAT had Happened to Cause our Creators to WANT to do this.

SHE would also be Wondering as to WHO had Created them (Engineers).

These are SOME of the Questions that some Fans had Wanted to know.... it seemed THAT these were LIKELY to be Answered to a Degree.

But some FANS would have been MORE Interested in finding out WHAT that Place was (LV-223) when and from WHAT did those Experiments come from, and the Black Goo.  While ALSO wanting to see more of the Engineers Technology and Horrors.

WHILE you had some FANS who had Wanted to know.. HOW THE HELL does LV-223 connect to LV-426 and the Xenomorph?  Maybe also HOW those Eggs got on the Derelict and maybe they would wanted to KNOW as to HOW the Xenomorph had Originated..... (It Seems that THIS is WHAT the Studio Felt that Fans would WANT to know more about).

You would HAVE to look at the Engineers Agenda and Purpose... it would SEEM that going around and Creating Horrific Weapons to UNLEASH on their Creations is ONLY a SMALL Part of what they do.... you could ASSUME that they ONLY do this IF they deem their Creations a Failure, Rebellious or a Potential Threat (or if their Creations Deeply Offend their Creators).

So THIS would be Important as to HOW would the Engineers react when Dr Shaw had arrived and STARTED to DEMAND some Answers.

The Creation, Sub-Creation, Rebellion and Hubris in Creating something Sentient and Intelligent seemed to be the LARGER Under Layer Theme!  As well as the Hubris of trying to EVOLVE yourself/Creations and PLAY GOD.

But  a LOT of People had Overlooked the Role of David in all of this, he is that HUBRIS, he has his OWN desire and Agenda.  He is NOW FREE, he would NOT want to go back to then BECOME a Servant to a Species he sees and In-superior, he is NOT impressed with Humans.

He is also NOT IMPRESSED with our Creators, they are NO GODS! they are mere MORTALS and its ONLY their Knowledge, Tools (Goo) and Technology that IMPRESSED our David. He may think these would be GODS are NOT worthy of being Creators and having all their Technology.

And so you could Expect that David would see POTENTIAL that was WASTED in what the Engineers had been doing.

The other VERY IMPORTANT thing to Consider with David is that he wants to SURVIVE!

And so DAVID would be the Driving Force of any Sequel, for the Reasons i had put above, and it SEEMS that THIS is what the Main Plot would have been about in the PLOT despite Changes from 2013-2015 they all have in Common that it would be ABOUT what David is going to WANT/DO Next.

The Change to AC still FITS with the Plans for David, only such a Plot Change had meant we would KNOW LITTLE of what Dr Shaw had wanted to ASK the Engineers and we saw Little of Her and the Engineers.

“However i think HAD we seen RS get to Continue with the Prequels then such a ALPHA Race would actually be Created by David on Origae-6 and maybe become the Space Jockey on LV-426.”

No thanks, it's too much about David already. I'm not sure if you support such a thing but I think that they shouldn't have anything to do with David. Hopefully Disney would give him a big no in case that would be his idea. To me that would be to destroy the prequels but Scott is too much into the android-thing and I don't find it interesting.

In case they would introduce another life-form then they shouldn't have anything to do with David at all. Hopefully this would take away some of the focus from the android-thing. The story has been hijacked by this David-focus. Maybe they could kill him off early in the movie and carry on with things that are more interesting. They could have the AC-Engineers in it but have more about other kind of Engineers that could be more interesting. I think that the prequels need writers that are good at what they are doing and an director that knows his or her limits and that doesn't interfere with the story.

The alpha-race that you suggest would be created by David seems to be so and so. Why should everything be about an android? The existence of something above the Engineers seems like an interesting idea so I'm not totally bashing your suggestion. What I am against is David creating them. If they have tried something in two movies and the result has been a mixed bag then it seems foolish to me to continue with it. Hopefully they will reduce the role of him heavily, I'm tired of it. Some other life-form from somewhere else could be interesting so in that way it could expand the franchise. The focus on the android has made the franchise smaller, because it could be so much more interesting.

In this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo30bZc10D0  Scott says that the alien-franchise should be as The War of the Worlds, the problem is that he doesn't explain how. If you don't explain what you mean by a comment like that, then it can get confusing.

You might be right that's what he means but he isn't clear about what his vision is. Contrary to that he made Alien Covenant about a mad android, that isn't to expand the alien-universe, that's to make it smaller. Not to say it's what Scott wanted but that's what happened.

Scott has ideas but he isn't a writer, let him throw out ideas and then people can say yes or no to them but leave the writing to those that know how to do that. Understanding your limits isn't wrong.

The question is: who are the writers that have the ideas and that can write interesting stories? It worked with Alien 1, 2, and 3. Who are the writers that can do that job while at the same time being able to stand up to studio-pressure?

Exploring more about the Engineers is a good thing since they added something new into the franchise. It would be a shame to never hear about them again in what ever way it might be (games, comics, whatever). Please expand the universe, don't go back.

How about an Engineer as a final boss so to speak?

Seems like it would be FUN.

I Wonder if some DLC will come down the Line that would introduce the Engineers it would be Interesting to see what Engineer Weapons would be like and maybe they can THINK OUTSIDE the Box a bit and NOT  just give us Plasma Blasts and Lasers.

Seeing a Bio-Mechanical Exo-suit for the Engineers could be COOL and NO i dont mean the Queen-Suit that Ripley as in the ALIEN V Concepts.

Something where the Bottom/Leg Area is like a Bio-Mechanical Crab/Spider/Scorpion would be COOL.

Looks good. If there is a GOD mode...I'll give it a try.

I think that there was some Potential with David and Dr Shaw and i FELT that the Sequel could have been MORE, as it SET UP a Number of things to Cover/Answer and would have STEERED AWAY from ALIEN which i was Fine with.  But i think the U-TURN was NOT the way to have gone.

I think we would have SEEN MORE with the Engineers, but i think that DAVID would still have been the KEY PLAYER and who knows what would have became of Dr Shaw (Apparently from when Micheal Green came on-board in 2014 then she was CURTAINS anyway).

It seems Dr Shaw was Destined to become a Experiment to Produce something that David would go and Create even a Year prior to Alien Covenant. The Difference is that she WENT from being USED to Create something NEW to being USED to Create the Xenomorph.

The PROBLEM they Faced with a Sequel to Prometheus was that IF they go to where the Engineers had come FROM... then HOW MUCH of a Movie can you have about David and Dr Shaw and whatever they GET UP TO on the Way.

Its then a CASE OF...

*What beings to they Discover on the World they are OFF TOO?

*And HOW would these beings Receive David and Dr Shaw?

*How many of these Beings (or Engineers) are there?

And so with JUST the ONE Human Character who some Found Anoying, with a Robot Sidekick, then its a case of HOW do they Interact with the Engineers?

David being Translator while Dr Shaw wants Answers... we SAW how this went for Peter Weyland?

So WHERE do other Human Characters come into it?  So i think for a WHILE they had Planned for INCOMING Humans to arrive which means that WHEREVER it was that David and Dr Shaw would arrive would NOT be TOO FAR from Earth.

This could have BEEN SOLVED with some Better Writing/Thinking!

*Is the Earth the ONLY Place that has Humanoids or even Humans that the Engineers had Created/Engineered/Evolved?

*Are the Engineers really HELLBENT on Destroying all Humans/Humanoids or ONLY the Worlds that Disobey/Displease them?

"There is a way to salvage it. A second follow to Prometheus could feature a flash back"

I think maybe David could have a FEW FLASHBACKS... i am NOT sure you could Dedicate too much TIME to it.

But the EVENTS that went by from when David and Dr Shaw had Arrived (maybe in Part the Journey too) at Planet 4 until the Last Breath that Dr Shaw had Taken and HOW/WHEN we see David go and Set-Up the Transmission to BAIT in another Human Ship.... i think these EVENTS could WARRANT a NOVEL ;)

@BigDave. Disappointed fans of Covenant, like myself, should resign themselves that the Shaw-David relationship will never be central stage in the Alien franchise. BigDave also asked what good introducing human DNA into the neomorph generation did for the franchise. In my opinion, Dr Shaw's character was wasted as a mere vessel for the neomorph.

The human origin aspect of Prometheus was side-stepped, sadly. There is a way to salvage it. A second follow to Prometheus could feature a flash back of the David-Shaw voyage to the engineer home world.

Looking at the WORM i wonder what KIND of Xenomorph this would Produce?

(B) Was another Concept for Blomkamps Alien V

Looking at the WORM in these NEW Concepts i wonder if the ADULT FORM would be similar to (D)

Looking at the GUN though you have to ASK what makes it TICK?

I doubt its like i had MENTIONED... so it either Fires some Energy Beam or it Fires a Solid Projectile and i think its DESIGN is merely for that WOW COOL! Factor... so it looks like its got the Xenomorph DNA/Aesthetic.

Another Question would be does that WORM/SNAKE have ACID BLOOD?

If it does then HICKS is looking to get BURNT!

I think we maybe need to TAKE this in Context to the Other Concepts, and it seems the PLOT is about some Corporation who are TRYING to use the Xenomorph to Experiment and Create other Weapons from their Genetic Make-Up.  And this is LIKELY how they get to the Queen Suit that Ripley would Wear (Awful Idea)

So maybe this GUN is Engineered from the Xenomorph but i FAIL to see HOW a Reverse-Engineered Xenomorph can lead to a GUN?

Maybe it could be Reverse-Engineered from the Derelict/Engineer Ships Technology?

Or it could be a Engineer Weapon... but we have to ASK as to WHY they would have Weapons?  It makes sense for a ADVANCED RACE if they feel there are Threats to them in the Galaxy, but i have a FEELING that MOST of the Worlds they Interact with they MAKE-SURE they NEVER go and Advance Past what Mankind was Thousands of Years ago.

And so the GOO or Xenomorph/Deacon/Neomorphs would be Good Enough.

The Comics did introduce some Engineer Energy Weapon though....

But i think you could also Wonder if they have some kind of Weapon that is Related to the Xenomorph, and by that i mean some Weapon that Acts like a PAINT BALL GUN... that Fires Balls/Spores that HIT a Target and either INFECT them with the Pathogen/Parasite or they Merely SPLAT them with ACID.

I think its Interesting they would be TRYING to offer something different to the Generic Face Hugger and it so a Worm that Burrows into a Host would be adding something Different, as we have Seen Face Huggers a LOT and they just DONT have the Effect they USED to once you have seen them a LOT.  (But the Face Hugger itself is still ICONIC and Creepy... more Scary/Freaky than the Xenomorph itself IMO).

I think looking into these Concepts  and other i have seen i think WHILE they are TRYING to show us a Few Different things, (Mutations, Experiments) i think the Emphasis still comes down to RIPLEY vs QUEEN.

I dont think you NEED to go and Bring Back the Gang.

Also some of the Concepts seem SILLY to me like the QUEEN SUIT i mean thats more Shocking than the PRED-KILLER SUIT.

However the Artists is ONLY doing their Job and the Quality of their Drawings is Very Good i have to Applaud them for that, HOPEFULLY they can get more Work as they are Talented.

However i am GLAD we have not got Blomkamps ALIEN V but i think some of the Ideas could be Carried Over and i dont know WHY they could NOT go and incorporate some into a Continuation from Alien Resurrection.

I like Blomkamp's Alien V. But thеse slug-worms are felt very generic.

So Hicks is still injured?

Weapon is cool. I like it. Maybe grown from Juggernaut material ( Black goo ) or an Engineers weapon.

It just looks like ALIENS ? Aliens 1.5 

Maybe some exterior shots of where this takes place.....Earth, Mars, LV426, Timbuktu?

In Regards to the Engineers i know that some had been DISAPPOINTED with what we saw in Alien Covenant.  However RS did say that they ARE how he INTENDED them to look.

I think if you look at them, then if they Spent a Extra 45 Min in Make Up each, then you could have given them a Pale Skin that has more Gloss (this could also be Highlighted in CGI) and then they could have had Contact Lenses in and LOOKED a bit more like in Prometheus.

THIS would NOT have Greatly Increased Budget or Production Time and so MAYBE the Aesthetic was NOT due to Budget/Time and INDEED this is just HOW they wanted our Engineers to appear.

Looking at his Comments it seems the Intention could be that the LV-223 Engineers are either

1) Sub-Created Superior Species for a Purpose and so they are Basically like Engineer Replicants and so similar to David.

2) A Group of Engineers who are Genetically Modified/Evolved and then its a Case of was this the Engineer Agenda, or was this a Faction of Engineers who had Genetically Altered themselves?

Ridley Scott had spoken about the Engineers in Alien Covenant, and he had said they are NOT a RACE but they are a Civilization, he had also said prior that just because Humans have different Races then WHY cant the same be said for the Engineers.  I also recall he had said those on Planet 4 where the Original Engineers.

I know this may seem a Disappointment as it makes the Space Jockey become something EVEN LESS ALIEN.  But the KEY THEME is that ANYONE can become a Creator with the Knowledge and Technology.  Lets say that some Scientist managed to Combine the Best Traits of a Human and Ape, just to show THEY COULD! and so we have Created a PLANET OF THE APES Species... the HUBRIS is this Species could OVERTHROW us and so we get to a PLANET OF THE APES.... and the Hubris/Tale would be thats WHAT you GET for Playing GOD.

But such a PLOT does mean the Engineers are NOT as GODLIKE as some would have wanted to see, then its like i Mentioned on another TOPIC.... if you took a Group of Humans from 100 Years Time in a Time-Traveling Vehicle and they went back in Time say 2000-3000 Years ago then THEY would seem somewhat GODLIKE.

I still think it would be a GOOD IDEA to Introduce a Race who came before the Engineers and have them appear more GODLIKE.

However i think HAD we seen RS get to Continue with the Prequels then such a ALPHA Race would actually be Created by David on Origae-6 and maybe become the Space Jockey on LV-426

I have to AGREE with most of that ;)

YES you never had to have Xenomorphs, you could have had Similar but Different, but then with Prometheus you had the Potential to STEER AWAY from the Xenomorph and LV-223/426.

The Prometheus Plot had Scope... and RS had said he felt the Alien Franchise could/should be where Star Trek and Star Wars are.... NOW i dont think he meant as BIG as those Franchises.

I think he is looking at the World Explorations.. with the Engineers Plot its UNLIKELY all we have is those Engineers on Planet 4 and LV-223 and Humans on Earth!

So YES we could have had MANY WORLDS, and MANY RACES and HOW would they GET ON? etc.

Star Trek is SET in our HUGE GALAXY... and Star Wars is SET in a GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY!

With the Engineers Plot we are NOT just Confined to ONE GALAXY...... so YES you could have Countless Worlds and Races and Conflicts and Horrors.

Exactly with this TOPIC i hope to engage people to show that you CAN have other Worlds with ALIENY THINGS... but you also could have Worlds that have NO Real Aliens, well NOT as FAR as anything related to LV-223/Xenomorphs.

With the Engineers Plot you have Potentially Hundreds or Thousands of Worlds, with Many Races, some more Human than others and maybe NOT all of them are Creations of the Engineers at all.

The Engineers Plot really is UNCAPPED POTENTIAL... thats before we even TRY to think about WHO had Created them!

That was just say a Snippet i Wrote on the Fly ;)

The Principle Idea would be that the Juggernaught had Docked and Bombarded the Planet and the Docking Ship tried to Release but something cause BOTH of them to Crash.

The Dialog i put would be that AFTER the Juggernaught had Crashed it would Activate a Warning System and Begin to Automatically OPEN the Cryo-Sleep Pods.

So David would RUSH OVER to Prevent Dr Shaw from Leaving (he at this Point would NOT want her to DIE), but he has NOT been Totally Honest with her as we know he DEPLOYED the Pathogen.

Awaking Confused and then Banging her Head would mean she WOULD-NOT be to aware of what was going on and unable to ASK many Questions.

NEXT we would have David keep her in Cryo-sleep for a Few Weeks while the Pathogen takes its Course.  He then awakens her AGAIN... she asks what has Happened to the Engineers, he would then say they are ALL GONE.. The Pathogen had Leaked after the Crash and that its NOT SAFE outside.

David would then convince her to STAY on the SHIP in Certain Areas and she would make her self a MAKE-SHIFT sleeping Quarters and she would have some Rations Left (from the Life-Boat) and David is able to Obtain some Water from the Ship.

David would COME and GO to Inspect the Planet and say he is checking for when it can become SAFE. When the Water Supply seems LOW, then David would Discover some more from the CITY and say that the Engineers had some Water Storage that the Pathogen has NOT infected...   he would then over Weeks gather Food that he says is PERFECTLY FINE to Eat.

He says the Virus only affects the Meat, and that the OUTSIDE is NOT SAFE yet and Sadly the Engineers are GONE...  Then when David is Gone then Dr Shaw discovers some Drawings he has DONE, a Study of Flora but also Fauna and she Questions David... he says he found a LAKE  that the Creatures in there are NOT really Infected, she gets Suspicious... 

When David goes again, she Explores outside and Discovers the AIR is Breathable but she cant see ANY signs of Life.... she goes back inside and when David arrives he has a FISH he Cooks for her saying its SAFE and she Needs Protien.

She gets Suspicious and Asks David about the Environment is it SAFE and he ensures her its NOT SAFE to go out the Pathogen is still Airborne... she asks HOW it has NOT effected the FISH he got her... David said its from a LAKE that is Past the City and its NOT infected.  But its NOT SAFE to leave the Ship yet, when the Pathogen is SAFE he will take her to this Garden where he has got Various Fruit and he will take he to the LAKE.

Then David will leave again and said he would be Long Time, like 8 Hours as he is going to EXPLORE further.  She waits a SMALL WHILE... then Follows him, keeping her Distance.... she Discovers that she can see NO SIGN of Life but David must have got the FISH from some place.... she realizes she seems to have NO EFFECTS for being OUTSIDE and so David has NOT been Honest.

She then comes to the CITY sees the Dead Engineers, she HIDES as David is seen Leaving the Cathedral and goes OFF to the West.... She realizes that David has TOLD the TRUTH the Engineers are GONE... but she seems to have NO EFFECTS.... so she goes into the Cathedral.

She is in just as much AWE of the Cathedral as she was with the Statues, but she was Disturbed by the Dead Engineers... even taking Pity as she saw a Few Females before she Entered the Cathedral.

She would make her way to the HALL OF HEADS and she gets Emotional, she sees in the Room before some VATS of Water, which is what David must have been getting, she Questions as to IF all of the Engineers are Gone...

She hears a Noise!  She goes to investigate and Discovers Davids Workshop, she is SHOCKED, she then sees Drawings of Engineers, Autopsies etc, then Baby and Infant Skulls and Skeletal Remains... then the Plasticized Engineer.

She realizes that SOME of the Engineers must have Survived, she then Hears the Noise again, and Faint Moaning... she then makes a SHOCKING DISCOVERY!

She comes Across a Chained Up Female Engineer who is Bound and Gagged, Dr Shaw is Saddened, she then notices a Dead Female who has NOT long been Dead and is on a Table with her Womb Removed... 

The Female Engineer Moans... and Points... Dr Shaw enters through a Door that the Engineer was pointing towards and sees a Cage with Engineer Infants, all Emaciated. three in Number, and then in the Corner is another Female Engineer who is Chained Up but she is Barely Alive.  Dr Shaw goes over to her and Removes her Gag, she looks on to Dr Shaw, as her Hand are Untied (Dr Shaw reluctantly does so) the Engineer Elder Female points to the Infants and Speaks, we know Dr Shaw cant Understand her Words, but she knows what she means.

The Engineer then looks at Dr Shaw and Smiles and Mutters a Final Word before she PASSES AWAY...

Dr Shaw goes to look for a KEY to the Cage, she then goes into the other Room and is about to UNTIE the other Female Engineer.... WHEN!

David turns up "My my aren't you a Nosy Parker"

Dr Shaw goes to Grab a Knife but David is too Quick, he throws Dr Shaw to the FLOOR and then he turns to the Female Engineer and SLITS her Throat... David says "I have no more Need for you my Dear"

He then turns to Dr Shaw and tells her she should NOT have left the Ship and came here, she Demands to know what has he been doing!  She asks him WHY has he been Lying!

David Proceeds to tell Dr Shaw that he DID ALL OF THIS for Her, he knows the Engineers would NOT have welcomed Dr Shaw, and they would surely have NOT taken kindly to HIM and so he had WIPED this World Clean for Dr Shaw.

He then tells her some of the Engineers managed to get to this PLACE and SEAL themselves away from the Pathogen, but the Pathogen infected the Food Supply near by and Water Outside within the City Grounds, he said Escaping the Pathogen was the Least of their Worries, and that OUTSIDE the Pathogen had lead to some interesting Results.  He points towards some Organisms like the Neomorph.

He goes on to tell her eventually with Lack of Water and Food the Engineers became Weak and RIPE for the pickings and so David made his MOVE.

He said that he had Experimented on the Females to TRY and Find a way so he could HELP with Dr Shaw to allow her to BARE CHILDREN.... he said that they could START a NEW EDEN together.

He then said he could NOT Quite Figure a way for her to Create but he felt that she could be EVOLVED and the Pathogen could then FIX her Reproductive System.  He said the Child that you and Holloway had was just the Start, and that he could Perfect it.

He Pointed to some Interesting Results he had with the Engineers. And says the Attempts with them was NOT so Fruitful, he said and WHILE that Dr Shaw could not CREATE, what she had Created with Holloway seems Superior.

Dr Shaw screams at David, she is Angry and said THEY was Supposed to get some Answers, and David said those Answers do-not matter your kind are merely a Off-Shoot of the Engineers a Insuperior Experiment and nothing more, your GODS dont Love you then Abandoned you... but David said he Loves her and would NEVER go and Abandon her.

He asks her to JOIN HIM and together they can Rebuild Paradise...

She Smiles at him and says she can Consider it, he says he will clean the Mess up and will Join her, with that she then HITS David from behind with a Plate as he is Bent Over the Dead Engineer Female, she then makes  RUN FOR IT!

She has Rejected David.... and he does-not take KINDLY to Rejection, she can TRY and Escape with the Juggernaught but its GOING NO-WHERE and David will eventually Catch Her!

When he does he will tell her "i knew you would reject me, you have no love for no one but your God, well i have made some success at being a Creator but the Results where NOT as Perfect as i hoped, i have NO NEED for the Engineers now i have you"

"Do Not Fear.... you will be a Good Mother and our Children will be Perfect"

This is the EVENTS for when things TURN BAD between David and Dr Shaw.

Just a random thought: what if the Engineers looked at their civilization as the top of the creation? By doing that they want to spread and not be on just one planet but through-out the galaxy? Could they have conquered other planets (compare it to the Europeans that came to America) and if so what happened to the indigenous life-forms.

"Had this Civilization been Attacked and Suffered a Bombardment of Black Goo?"

By another one? Maybe there is another sort of civilization out there in the franchise and not just the Engineers and humans? Who knows what that would be but it would fit with the war of the worlds thing. I wouldn't mind another civilization being introduced depending on how it's done but I would prefer if they would expand on the Engineers.

"Had this Civilization ventured out and Discovered something they SHOULD NOT HAVE?"

Humans have tried to domesticate different animals, like how we got dogs. Maybe humans have tried to domesticate other animals where it didn't succeed so maybe that could have happened to the Engineers also? You could get different kind of monsters in the franchise, monsters that we haven't seen before? The thing is to get the Engineers right and make sense of it while having some mystery and not explain everything.

The black goo is interesting, and I don't count David's babbling about it in that viral clip. If it's not in the movie then it hardly counts so it's good that they didn't have that in AC. Don't explain everything and also don't make it all about David because that's crap.

"And so with the Prequels i think some Fans wanted to KNOW more about the Engineers their Culture, History, WHY they Seed Worlds and WHAT other Worlds/Races have they Created."

Yes! Expand the franchise, don't take steps back.

The Fifield Zombie/mutant was lame, probably one of the worst monsters in the franchise. I'm not saying this because it pisses me off, I'm just comparing it to other monsters that we have in the franchise. Zombies should be for zombie-movies, leave them out of the alien-franchise.

"LACKED any kind of Xenomorph Replacement..."

I think that the new monsters made by the goo were interesting, the worst was the Zombie-fifield. The Neomorph was kind of close to the Xeno and if the goo brings Xeno-traits then what if it infects another life-form but it gets less Xeno-traits but still is linked? By doing that there is a link but still something new.

Not interested in seeing 500 Xenos again, give me more about the Engineers and have well-written human characters. Leave David and the focus on androids out of it.

"They seem to NOT be so keen on making Androids the Center Point, but indeed the Rivalry between Human Companies and Factions and Agendas is always INTERESTING."

I would rather have that than anything about androids. Not to say that you can't have androids in it but they are not what it should be about. People have their ideas what the franchise should be about but I'm not interested in the focus on androids because AC did this and it made me disappointed. They need to bring back the unknown and isolation because at least that's what made it work to me. Bring back well-done characters.

"Are the Engineers ONLY found on Planet 4 and LV-223?  (UNLIKELY)"

Hopefully not, that could be a way to expand the franchise but then you got to show how they differ from each-other. If you have Engineers on planet A and B then it is likely that there are differences between them, both how they organize society and also how the planets look like.

That picture looks like something out of a Transformers-movie, in other words stupid. Can't they just stop it and realize that Ripley has had her time? Move on with something else instead of throwing Ripley and her cousins and what ever into other things, even having Amanda Ripley in it feels like a parody. As much as I am tired of David and the android-thing Ripley feels more played out. Try again

I have listened to a podcast (AVP-galaxy podcast I think) where they discuss various comments by Scott about the franchise and they seemed to be of the opinion that he changes his mind often. First he is interested in the guy in the chair and then he changes his interest to David, and then he goes back to the Engineers again. It's like he can't make up his mind. One thing that they said is that he has got to play along with the studio so maybe that is a thing also.

Proud of Prometheus? As he should be but according to the documentary of Prometheus he mostly happy about cutting the movie down to two hour (according to the Xenomorphing podcast). Going for a run-time should not be important, if the movie is being reduced in quality because of a director that thinks that he must cut it down to get ticket sales then something is wrong. There are deleted scenes on Youtube that I've watched and they would have improved the movie greatly if they would have been left in. Deleting those scenes makes me wonder if Scott and Fox know what they are doing but now we have the Disney situation which is what it is.

Covenant was a mistake because they didn't learn from the criticism from Prometheus. All they thought people wanted was the Xeno and then everything else would be fine, guess what? It didn't

Three bad things about Covenant:

1. Lame human characters except for Oram and Faris
2. The focus on androids wasn't very good
3. Making the Xeno a result of a mad android was crap although I understand it thematically it sucks story-wise.

Both Scott and Fox are to blame
I would like to see (if they will continue the prequels):

1. Better human characters, this is a must and they should not release another one either as a prequel-movie or an alien-movie before they get this right.
2. Less focus on androids
3. Make it clear that David just made his own version of the monster
4. More about the Engineers (society, culture, religion, science, and so on)

As for the franchise in general I would like to see:

1. New worlds
2. New monsters
3. New Life-forms, engineers and what not

Expand the franchise don't go back to things that we have seen over and over. Like
I've said Star Wars and Star Trek can do this so the alien-verse could do that too. They need good stories and relatable human characters to get it right, the team responsible for it got to understand that, until then we're fucked (to paraphrase Alien 3).

I agree with you Chris on this one. It would be sad if they would erase the Engineers and give us another Xeno-movie. We have had Xenos in the first four and the AVP's and also in Alien Covenant although briefly (due to studio-pressure?). Even though Prometheus is very flawed adding the Engineers was a very good thing since it expanded the franchise. To me they should introduce new worlds, and new civilizations and not just have the Xeno every time because that gets old.

About the Engineers, I pretty much preferred those in Prometheus compared to those in AC. The Prometheus-Engineers looked bigger and more alien. Unfortunately the Engineers in Alien Covenant looked more like people with face-paint. Maybe they looked like that because of the budget so they couldn't make them more interesting and also they were just in the movie briefly. Let's think about it, if you will just have something in a short scene then maybe you won't care that much to make it look good compared to other things that will feature for a longer time in the movie. What BD said about the original Engineers and the steroid-version makes sense but it makes the original ones look lame if we by the originals mean those that we saw briefly in AC. They could have looked more interesting and alien.

Maybe there will be a new movie some day (doubtful at this point) and then I hope that they will be back. Hopefully we will see both the smaller Engineers and the bigger ones. They are just too interesting to throw in the trash-can. Star Trek and Star Wars can have different things so why not the Alien-franchise? Eventually it won't make as much money but you can at least expand it beyond what we had in the first four even though Resurrection is a joke with some good things in it.

The Engineers have potential, you just have to make them interesting and make sense of it.

If I were to level one criticism, it’s that David goes on too much about being perfectly safe! Ridley would run a red line through all those repetitions :)

It must have been quite a journey for Dr Shaw to accompany David to the citadel, what with all those dead bodies littering the plaza. Although it would be quite amusing to see David say “Oops.”

Not to mention the bio-hazard of all the recent infection. How would David have guarded against that? Maybe they stuck it out in the juggernaut for a few months.

I like the idea of their futile attempt to suck the oxygen out of the ship.

@seedling

I made a Thread about what possible Story was to be Told between when David had arrived at Planet 4 and when the Covenant had arrived, Quite a LOT had taken place in those near 10 Years that we had NOT seen in Detail.

https://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/50439

I have added some Dialog from a Scene that i came up with as FAR as just after the Juggernaught had Crashed,its in that TOPIC above ;)

INT.  CRASHED ENGINEER JUGGERNAUT

As a Warning Siren goes off on the Ship, David rushes over towards the Cryo-Stasis Pod that Contains Dr Shaw.  The Capsule is starting to open up.

A dazed and confused Dr Shaw lies awake, she is coughing repeatedly, she sits up desperately trying to escape the Cryo-Pod.

DAVID

"Relax Elizabeth, try not to move too much just concentrate on breathing"

DR SHAW

"where am i, whats happened whats that sound"

DAVID

"Its fine just relax no need to panic you are in a state of shock"

DR SHAW

"Whats that sound David, what have you done"

DAVID

"Its a automated warning we have crashed and the Ships systems have released the Cryo-Sleeps Suspended Animation Systems"

Dr Shaws Face turns to serve Panic now.

DR SHAW

"crashed! how? where? why?"

DAVID

"just try to breath you are Perfectly Safe"

DR SHAW

"Were are we David"

DAVID

"Just concentrate on breathing you are in shock you need to relax, all will be revealed but first your health is my prime concern" 

Dr Shaw relaxes and takes deep breaths as David wonders over to the Juggernauts Control Centre and turns the alarm off.

DR SHAW

"Were we David? what the f**k have you done"

DAVID

"I have not done anything Dr Shaw you need to calm down"

DR SHAW

"Where are we?"

DAVID

"We have arrived"

DR SHAW

"Where? Paradise?"

DAVID

"I would be hesitant to call it such"

DR SHAW

"Are we there or not? what has happened?"

DAVID

"I am afraid we were not welcomed"

DR SHAW

"What do you mean? what have you done"

DAVID

"Relax i have not done nothing, i had attempted to make Contact with the Engineers and our Ship was pulled into their Docking Ship as a Automated Safety Protocol"

Dr Shaw cuts David off

DR SHAW

"What do you mean a Safety Protocol? what have you done David"

DAVID

"If you allow me to finish, our Ship was in the Process of being docked, i attempted to contact the Engineers and i then detected they attempted to Drain all the Oxygen from the Ship, they attempted to cut the Life Support and so i attempted to to pull the Ship away but it caused us to become released and loose control and we crashed into the Mountains"

DR SHAW

"what’s happened to them, why would they do that"

DAVID

"It seems they do not welcome any unwelcome visitors, so i panicked and tried to get us away"

DR SHAW

"You’re a Robot you can't Panic"

DAVID

"I feared for your safety and made a rather hasty decision that led to our Ship Crashing"

DR SHAW

"Where are they? what is going to happen to us"

Dr Shaw attempts to leave the Sleep Pod but she falls and bangs her head and she passes out.

POV DAVID

About 45 Minutes has passed by, we see David looking down at Dr Shaw who is now placed on a Medical Bed that was rescued from the Life Boat of the Prometheus.

DAVID

“Wakey wakey rise and shine”

Dr Shaw awakens she is confused.

DR SHAW

“Where am i? What’s going on!”

DAVID

“Shhhh! Stay calm drink this”

He hands Elizabeth a Glass of Water.

DR SHAW

“I had a strange dream!”

DAVID

“Just relax you have had a long journey”

DR SHAW

“Where are we what has happened?”

DAVID

“I have already told you we have crashed but you are Perfectly Safe”

Dr Shaw realizes she was not dreaming.

DR SHAW

“But what about the Engineers you said they tried to harm us!”

DAVID

“Do not worry about them they can no longer be any threat to you”

DR SHAW

“What do you mean David? What have you done?”

DAVID

“Nothing Elisabeth the Ship had crashed as i tried to get away, your Gods where attempting to kill us by disabling the Life Support and so i tried to escape but we crashed, and during the crash the Ships Cargo Bay had impacted the Mountain and the Cargo has leaked into the Attomosphere”

DR SHAW

“Where are they? I need to get to my Suit”

DAVID

“You are Quite Safe, i have locked the Doors to the other Areas of the Ship you are Quite Safe in here, unfortunately your Gods will discover what they had in store for your kind”

DR SHAW

“wha.. what do you mean David”

DAVID

“Some of the Pathogen has leaked from the Cargo Hold and into the Air, but you are Perfectly Safe on the Ship, as long as you remain here”

DR SHAW

“But what about them?”

David walks over to the Control Panel and he hits a button that displays a outside view, and David then Zooms in afar.

We can just make out in the distance a Crashed Engineer Docking Ship

DAVID

“It seems the Pathogen is more effective than you feared, not to worry you was Safe as you were in the Cryo-Pod its perhaps what saved your God on LV-223”

DR SHAW

“How  do you know they have all been infected David, how do you know i am safe?”

DAVID

“I cant be 100% sure, i will place you back into Cryo-sleep for a Few Weeks and Monitor the situation, and awaken you when i feel there is No Threat to this Ship, but i can’t say for how long it will take for outside to be safe”

With that Dr Shaw reluctantly agrees to allow David to place her back into Cryo-sleep, and Once again David is alone and Free.

Certainly it could have been Interesting to see WHAT it is that David could have DONE had they NOT had to Shoehorn the PLOT to introduce incoming Humans.

With the ONLY DNA of a Human Dr Shaw but with Engineer DNA on a World he has WASHED CLEAN!

But YES i think their Dynamic was Interesting, i am sure that David found it INTERESTING that the Faith of Dr Shaw gave her such a WILL to Carry On!

And also as to HOW would it Effect her Character when she has to FINALLY FACE THE FACT that her GOD does-not Exist and these Engineers are FAR from the Benevolent Gods she had HOPPED.

The Engineers being merely Humanoids who just have the Benefit of being around for MUCH LONGER and thus having more Advanced Tech who NOW deem they can GO and DESTROY their Creations at WILL.

Dr Shaw would LIKELY see these beings as NOT being WORTHY to be the JUDGE, JURY and EXECUTIONER of all they Created.

Imagine the Engineers discover Dr Shaw and David have TURNED UP and then Determine that INDEED their Creations had Advanced so FAR on their OWN to become a Threat and then Dr Shaw discovers that Earth is NOT the Only World were the Engineers have Humans or Humanoids.

The Engineers then Determine that THEY have to GO TO THOSE WORLDS which Include Earth and DESTROY them all!

Would Dr Shaw go and ACCEPT THAT?  or would SHE agree with DAVID that the Engineers should be STOPPED!

I mean...Prometheus scarred me to no end so...I guess I'm ok with this sentiment?

As far as the OT.. on the Contrary i think that Ridley Scott was PROUD of Prometheus and looking at his Comments after Alien Covenant it seems that he FELT that Prometheus was the RIGHT Direction and ahead of the Curve.

So i think that WHEN he said it was  MISTAKE he was refereeing to that Prometheus should have had more a CLUES to LV-426 and should have had a ALIEN MONSTER.

FOX seemed to think that Prometheus had LACKED this and that maybe the Prequels had to CONNECT to the Xenomorph.

In Reality then RIDLEY SCOTT was RIGHT... but i think you had to make some Connection Loosely in a Sequel and so i think Alien Covenant was a MISTAKE

I think HINDSIGHT is Wonderful.... and in Hindsight what they should have done is.

A Sequel that would go to LV-223 and introduce us to another David Model (Fassbender still cast) and this Sequel you make more ALIENY a bit like Alien Engineers where you have Something thats like the Xenomorph and you have more CLUES to HOW the Xenomorph was Created and GOT on the SHIP on LV-426 (but you did-not have to SHOW THIS) having another Ship where its Cargo are Eggs with a Variant of the Xenomorph would have DONE.

You would have had a more Action Alien Monster Fest to please some Fans, with more Clues to LV-426 and you could then have CLOSED THE DOOR to ALIEN but then you would have the Notion that the Black Goo can lead to Horrors like the Xenomorph and that OTHER ENGINEER Ships had Departed from LV-223, and so the Derelict is NOT the ONLY such Ship to have LEFT.

You can then Explore other ALIEN Movies in the Franchise thats NOT just Tied down to LV-426 and the Derelict and the Vanilla Xenomorph.

And THEN..... you could have GONE to where David and Dr Shaw are going and NOT have to be Shackled to ALIEN or  those Answers and had FREEDOM to Begin a SPIN-OFF Franchise.