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I also think that YES you have to keep the Movies as Canon, and NOT go any Remove any.  But the ALIEN V ideas by Blomkamp and Brandywine would REMOVE some Movies as Canon and they BOTH also bring back RIPLEY.

If they want to see RIPLEY again then i think a Continuation of ALIEN R is the way to go.

Well it seems that FOX had felt you had to make the Franchise about the Xenomorph, as Originally it seemed a Prometheus Sequel would have BRANCHED OFF as a Spin Off that would NOT be Connected to the Xenomorph or LV-426. However i think UNDER the Control of DISNEY then IF we get a Movie/TV Show i think the Xenomorph would become the Centerpiece again.  I would think they would see the Prequels as being a Disappointment and will UNLIKELY see any Continuation.

I will agree that RS does seem to Change his Mind a lot, but also the POWERS THAT BE also seem to Change their minds a lot too.  ULTIMATELY they are the Ones who say what goes.

I think that CHARACTERS are Important and we have NOT seen any really Stand Out, not REALLY like the First 3 Movies and so THIS is something that they NEED to get Right.

The Time-Line has become a Problem now.... prior to Alien Covenant and the U-TURN about the Xenomorph, then RS had it in his MIND that the Derelict/Eggs had been on LV-426 a Few Hundred Years after the Engineers had LOST CONTROL of LV-223 with the Outbreak.

Without any TIME-TRAVEL then we are 17 Years prior to ALIEN with LV-426 likely having NO EGGS or Derelict at Present (Year 2105)  So YES this was another Problem with the Mistake of making the Prequels become a Chronological Prequel to those EGGS eventually getting on LV-426.

BD

The Xeno has been done over and over, that's one of the things that was good about Prometheus which is that it expanded the universe. Unfortunately Alien Covenant made the wrong thing by making it smaller. You mention it being centered around Xenos, that's one of the problems but there are other things where they went wrong.

About contradictions in the franchise, that's why you need people to look at that so it doesn't. Scott can remove AR if he wants but don't mess with 2 and 3. Aliens and Alien 3 are way better than the prequels because they have characters that you can cane about that or the most part are better written.

You mention the time-line, I would rather have the derelict being older. When you make it a recent thing you remove the mystery but it should be better than that. Something that happened two or three years ago or something that has been there for hundreds or thousands of years, I know what I find to be the most interesting.

"But this would Conflict ALIEN!"

Make it a spin-off? Don't ruin Alien with that, he has already done enough damage. Don't remove Aliens from Canon, that movie is a lot better than the prequels. Don't let Scott's ego put more blemishes on the franchise than it already has caused.

BD

"It seems that THIS was the Main Force behind the Prequels..."

If that's the case I would say that they went wrong from the beginning. They should have made it re-written to tone down David's role because at least I'm not interested in it. Human history and the Engineers yes, David no. Let it be in a spin-off movie about androids in the alien-franchise but not in the major ones. A sort of Rogue One in the Alien-universe about androids could be OK if it's done in an interesting way but not in the major movies.

"And so when i mention ALPHA-RACE i mainly think that you could go and EXPLORE another Race who are ABOVE the Engineers, they could be LESS-HUMAN or even Totally NOT Humanoid."

That seems interesting, I would support that. Get some decent writers and a director that doesn't interfere with the story. They could look around for inspiration and try to use that to expand the franchise into involving other things. Androids could be a part of the story but not be the story. It would be interesting to see what kind of rituals they have, architecture, medicine, and so on. These are things that I hoped to see in Alien Covenant but they messed it up.

"I suspect that David would Create a more Perfect Human Species from those Human Embryos and he would Charade to them that he is their GOD and Creator... UNTIL other Humans Turn up and his Creations then DISCOVER their TRUE ORIGINS and Davids... and well thats when Creating those beings becomes a DOWNFALL for David."

Whatever, I don't care about that even though I'm fine with the fact that some people enjoy such a thing. That sounds like Raised By Wolves, something that I'm not very interested in since it seems that the characters are lame plus the over-reliance on androids. You mention themes, they are interesting but the story isn't. A story got to work for me otherwise the themes don't matter that much.

An Engineer as the SJ seems to make more sense but it shouldn't have anything to do with David. Right now it's all about a mad robot, which quite frankly is crap. Some people might find the android-tale to be interesting and that's their right to do so but I don't like it.

"I do THINK that the Franchise could Explore other Races that Created the Engineers or that the Engineers had Created and by doing so either in SETTING a STORY that is FAR FAR AWAY or a VERY LONG TIME AGO... or Both"

That would be awesome, hopefully they get some decent writers that can write and that know that the franchise needs to expand beyond Xenos and David.

That looks like a mutated dog, it looks a bit strange compared to what we've seen this far. Maybe it can work, I'm not sure. Prometheus introduced the black goo so it can be used in different ways. Hopefully we'll see more of the Engineers in various alien-things even though they shouldn't be over-used or else it will be like the Xeno that we've seen a lot of times before.

BD

Yeah but then if they will be impregnated (like a face-hugger to Xeno) then they must be very strong to take down an Engineer. What if the Engineers developed super-monsters that become stronger than they expected? I try to find out a way that is logical to make that happen.

Remember the bogus poster to Alien Covenant even though it was awesome? It was bogus because it hinted at a story that we weren't given. Something like that could be used to make something interesting in the franchise.

Good to see some Engineer-things in there. The stone-head looked interesting (about 30 seconds into the clip). Not a fan of the glowing Xenos, isn't the point that they hide in the dark and use it to their advantage? It looks interesting, except for the glowing Xenos.

So why do we think the Engineer on LV-223 was in hibernation?  Why is he not home with his family?

What's the point of sleeping his life ( and his civilization ) away?

Immortality through time manipulation?

If I could jump forward 2,000 years ...I might do it.....Or maybe 2 million years!

I think it Certainly looks like it would MAKE a Interesting and FUN Video Game ;)

Its NICE to see them Explore some of the Engineers Worlds/Buildings/Ships etc as the Engineers play a LARGE ROLE in the Experiments/Pathogen that PAVED the WAY for the Xenomorph.  Its also INTERESTING to see some Alternative Monsters related to those Experiments/Pathogen

Aw they're so cute

also that other alien thing looks like something i'd make up it looks pretty cool

Nice to see something DIFFERENT some of these have ELEMENTS/DNA of some of the UNUSED Concepts for BOTH of the Prequels.

The Screens are Interesting what do we HAVE is this on a SHIP or a OUTPOST if its a OUTPOST is it somewhere on LV-223 that we have NOT yet Seen.  I HOPE that this PLACE is NOT on Planet 4 unless its the INSIDE of a SHIP thats Docked Underground on Planet 4

What i have NOTICED is that the Engineers Technology/Architecture is more Mechanical than Organic as we saw in ALIEN i can ONLY assume that THEY have Decided to STEER AWAY  from the Bio-Mechanical HR Giger Aesthetic for some Reason.

I say that as THESE SCENES look LESS of a HR Giger than in Prometheus/Alien Covenant (Juggernaught)

Looks promising. Especially those Engineer's temples. Also I noticed a new creature.

Hey, BD? Where are you?

Well thats the THING you could SHOW a Engineer getting Chest Busted in a Cut Scene then the Player Turns up Days after and we have our BIG Deacons.

The Original Deacons (likely the MURAL) may be Different to the ONE in Prometheus, i say this because the Trilobite was Essentially a Human/Morph Hybrid (it had Hair) so the Deacon also have a Higher % Human DNA than say a Neomorph or Xenomorph may have.

But Certainly the Prometheus Plot does OPEN UP a whole HOST of Worlds and Various Horrors, it does-not have to come down to LV-223/LV-426 and Planet 4

David did-not just PULL those Eggs out of the AIR it was not a Case of Black Goo + Dr Shaws Egg Cells = Xenomorph.

There are Various Horrors he Created/Experimented with on the ROAD to his Eggs.

And so its LIKELY the Engineers had Concocted Various Horrors on their PATH to the MURAL Organism.

Cool! I'm sold on this.

Not sure a 12ft Deacon would fit on a human spaceship? 

Just another reason to visit Engineer temples and Juggernauts. Designers don't have to keep every creature small enough to access human airlocks / bulkheads ).

Looks interesting, if I recall correctly, devs did say there will be lots of unexpected moments in the game. It appears there are also some kind of pale head-crab like creatures running around.

Also, its really nice to see Engineer facilities. I wonder if we will get to see a live Engineer. 

I think another Advantage to having the Engineers is it ALLOWS them to be HOSTS to introduce like more ELITE kinds of Xenomorph etc with like 50% More Damage and are able to take 50% More Damage in Return.  Or you could have it that THEY are DOUBLE that Bonus.

So it allows us to have 10-12ft Tall Xenomorphs, Neomorphs etc.   

As Far as ADULT (Engineer Born) Deacons i would Estimate the ADULT would be about 12ft

I want to see Engineers as an elite enemies/mini-bosses. Because in this case you will meet them more often.

I think the Elder Scene was of Importance but the Reasons behind it are something that maybe Changes as with Quite a bit of the Story over Time/Drafts.  As those working on the Prequels seem to Change their Minds a lot, and a lot of it is Ambiguous.

At the TIME that the Scene was SHOT then it had Highlighted that the Sacrificial Scene was a Highly Ritualistic Event.  We have YET to even see the FULL Scene as Daniel Twiss (who played the Sacrificial Engineer) had said he had to Learn a Few Lines of ALIEN Dialect.  On the Bonus Material we did get to see some Dialect from the ONE ELDER, and then some of the Shooting Script with a Translation.

"Let your body become the dirt. Your blood become the waters, and may your soul become their way back to us."

We should not really look into that too Literally though, as the Planet already had Dirt and Water, but what we know is the Engineer is Donating his Body to Create Life, and RS had said the Engineers Choose to do this and said it was like how some Ancient Cultures would Choose Sacrifices.  We had RS said the Engineers can Create Life in other ways but they Seed the Worlds in this way, it would appear they see this EVENT as Very Important and maybe a HONOR?

The Full Scene with Sub-Titles would have Revealed maybe too much, it seemed RS wanted to NOT reveal too much about WHY the Engineers do what they do in the First Movie.

But i would say YES there would seem to be RITUALS and WAYS of the Engineers that they ABIDE too, it would seem the Creation Tool (The Original Goo/Pathogen) was something they USE to Create/Evolve Life and there must have been RULES to Govern HOW and WHEN this is to be USED.

It is SAFE to assume the Engineers had USED this Pathogen/Goo to Create Life for Millions of Years....  it would seem its SOLE PURPOSE was NOT what we saw in Prometheus on LV-223.  So IF those Engineers are Consider the FALLEN this means maybe they had been USING the Creation Tool in a WAY that it was NOT meant to be USED.

Ridley Scott had said that LV-223 was for the Creation of Bio-Weapons to USE on Mankind (maybe others too) but he also said the ENGINEERS would go to Worlds they deem a Failure and WIPE the Slate Clean.... well if this is the CASE i would say DROPPING DOWN like Hundreds of Urns of the SACRIFICIAL GOO would be the IDEAL way to FACTORY RESET a World... looking HOW this had Affected the Sacrificial Engineer.

With LV-223 we do know that INDEED there are Consequences to using the Creation Tool, while Prometheus is Ambiguous i think that SPAIGHTS DRAFTS do give us more Clarity.  With the Scarabs we could see more Clearly that it appeared at some POINT some of the Engineers had been Playing with Fire (Creation Scarabs) by using them to OBTAIN and Exploit the DNA of some other Organism that is the Biological Genesis of the Xenomorph if you would.

So i think that to LOOK at WHY would have been Important as it seems the Engineers Priority was Creation but also Survival and Especially if we look at Spaights Pitch.  Back then the Engineers had been a Humanoid Race who over Millions of Years had made Advancements to Prolong their Lives, they abandoned Sexual Reproduction and eventually LOST the Ability to Procreate.

This would GIVE a Good Reason for the Sacrificial Scene if it was a ATTEMPT to Create/Evolve a Humanoid Species so that they can Procreate again?  However Spaights had indicate that they Created us so that we can INHERIT what they had Created when the TIME had come for the Engineers to TRANSCEND from the Physical World into Multidimensional Beings.

This seems to Indicate the Engineers had managed to EXTEND their Lives but they had NOT really become IMMORTAL and so they was LOOKING at WAYS so they can LIVE-ON and their SOULS to be Free of the Restraints of a Biological Body.

By the TIME we get to his last Few Drafts we have NO indication of this.... it seemed to touch more on the Development of Various Xenomorphs to be USED to SMITE those they saw as a Threat or WHO they had Fallen Out of Favor with.

WHEN i look at the LAST Movie of the Franchise which is Alien Resurrection i find it Fascinating that the Xenomorph DNA had LED to RIPLEY 8 having the Memories of Ripley... this seemed to INDICATE the Xenomorph can PASS ON some kind of Genetic Memory Transfer.

To me this is KIND OF a KEY to some kind of Reincarnation and After-Life.  If this is the CASE then THIS makes PERFECT sense for WHY those Engineers had began to Experiment with the Ancestor of the Xenomorph.... if it was to UNLOCK as to WHY maybe this Organism has Genetic Memory Transfer/Reincarnation.

This is NOT to say WHAT has been going on, i just think it would make PERFECT SENSE.   But its likely that THEY had FAILED to Obtain this.... and all they could Create was HORRORS and so the Original Parasite that they Experimented on may have had a INTENTION but all they ENDED UP with was a Consequence.

"When Ridley Scott had said that IN-PART that Prometheus was about the SOUL and IMMORTALITY i dont think he had PLANS to show us that when we DIE we DO go to HEAVEN!

I think it was to SHOW that the Faith of Dr Shaw had been Proven to be WRONG about WHO our Creator is.... and so its LIKELY that her Faith is WRONG about the After-Life and Soul."

Logan Marshall Green made the point that he represented the scientific view and Elizabeth the faith based view and that neither were right the out come was a train wreck.

What that implies is that whilst we would have been shown that creation is galvanised through science (The Genesis Cup) there are rules of engagement. This was not going to be nihilistic. The footnote the creature the unintended consequence is. 

The eight noble savages in "the arrival of the engineers" had the power of creation in their hands but there was a code and part of that was a promise of a return of the soul.

How soul is defined and where it resides will never be answered by the films, even as they came to edit Prometheus they moved it closer to 'the routine' rather than the philosophical but those ideas cast a shadow over the film.

The Pebble Ship is not an accident and the consequences of their seeding was to produce an Engineered outcome. It follows that they gave thought to what happens when the outcomes cease. Their appearance by the waterfall had purpose. There was a plan. 

In my work Elizabeth is more wrong about where they go than the moon. In Prometheus Weyland is nearly responsible for the end of mankind. In my extension Elizabeth is potentially responsible for the end of creation. 

I think YES it was RIGHT to make the Engineers appear more Human as THIS does FIT with the Ancient Astronaut kind of PLOT where Many Accounts of Ancient Gods/Religions have our Gods as being VERY HUMAN looking.

If we introduced a RACE who are ABOVE the Engineers and their Creators, do we then make them LESS HUMAN?  I think maybe but maybe you DONT make them too FAR APART and ALIEN looking?

"Last thing we need is to venture into Star Trek / Star Wars universe"

Who knows what the PLANS would have been for RS had the Prequels been a GREAT SUCCESS!  I think he would have SHOWN us Various Worlds with Various Races and i do think some would be Humanoid but Different and so i would NOT say that he would have STEERED AWAY from being a bit of a Star Trek/Star Wars.

It would be Interesting to see what Arcturian Poontang looks like as in the Arcturians as a Species.. are they a Creation by the Engineers? could they be a Creation by David?

"She is like the drug dealer"

Indeed MonsterZero thats a Interesting take on it by Michelle.

Mortality is something that is of GREAT FEAR for Many.  With Peter Weyland he was a MAN of Science and you can BET that he UNLIKELY had any FAITH in a Magical God who lives in the Clouds and HAVING a Immortal Soul that would LIVE ON after Death for THOSE who have Faith and Loyalty and Worship to the LORD.

You can be SURE that he had made MANY kind of Medical Advances that could Cure many Ailments and Illnesses but we are still STUCK to that BIOLOGICAL CLOCK that will ONE DAY... just STOP TICKING.

Our Peter Weyland being 100 Years Old and knowing he is Coming Close to Death, must have came to the Conclusion that there was NO-WAY he could Achieve any kind of Longevity or Immortality he was soon to be at DEATHS DOOR, and so for HIM when he Received the Quiet Eye message from Dr Shaw, he saw this as a LAST DITCH Effort to FIND a CURE for his Mortality.... in the HOPE that Dr Shaw and Holloway are Correct and they will FIND our MAKERS.

Then our MAKERS could surely grant Weyland more LIFE.

And so YES its via the HOPE that Dr Shaw and Holloway are Correct that Weyland has that CHANCE that he could be Saved/Extend his Mortality.

But i do think that PRIOR to this LAST DITCH... with NOTHING TO LOSE. I think that Weyland would have had some Obsession in TRYING to FIND a way to Extend his Mortality through SCIENCE.

In the Idea i had for Prometheus 2 in 2013 i had touched on WEYLAND as FAR as WHAT he was doing to CHEAT DEATH and it would have GAVE more of a Reason to WHY he was so INVESTED in A.I and David......... for maybe this was PART of his PLAN to CHEAT DEATH.

When Ridley Scott had said that IN-PART that Prometheus was about the SOUL and IMMORTALITY i dont think he had PLANS to show us that when we DIE we DO go to HEAVEN!

I think it was to SHOW that the Faith of Dr Shaw had been Proven to be WRONG about WHO our Creator is.... and so its LIKELY that her Faith is WRONG about the After-Life and Soul.

We see Weyland kind of MOCK his Creation.... saying he is Immortal but has NO SOUL.... when IRONICALLY it is David who is Actually the ONE with a IMMORTAL SOUL and a AFTER-LIFE.

Even our Creators the Engineers could NOT go and Achieve this... they are MORTAL AFTER ALL...... but they had Managed to Prolong the Degradation of their Bodies... beyond the Limits of the Human Body, but for the Millions of more Years they have been around you would ASSUME they had TRIED to Achieve their OWN kind of IMMORTALITY.

The Pitch for the Prequels by John Spaights seemed to Indicate this.

"She is like the drug dealer with the solution to his need and he ignores the implicit dangers of her offer."

Love this.

I'd love to read a Peter Weyland adventure. He must have searched for the answer at some time in his life......not in a trillion dollar spaceship like the end of his life......But maybe testing an experimental light speed vessel or something.

I have a hard time thinking he sat around a office all day....During the great space expansion....Maybe sat around a office aboard a starship all day.

I'm just glad they kept the Engineers human, not giving them prosthetic ears / nose / etc.... Last thing we need is to venture into Star Trek / Star Wars universe. ( IMHO )

Absolutely Michelle, the ROLE of Weyland was Changed more to FIT with his NEED to gain IMMORTALITY and i think it was GREAT Change. There are a Number of Hints to WHAT is Immortality in Context to the Franchise.

Weyland is a Pioneering Scientist... i am sure he had TRIED HARD to Attain a Longevity before he could NOT really become IMMORTAL and so he Turned to Dr Shaw and her Gods as a Desperate and Last Ditch Effort to LIVE.

There are a Number of Interesting Underlying Themes that could have been Explored more, the Potential was there for THIS to be more than a Creature Feature.   I am sure that Peter Weyland was NOT the First Creator who THOUGHT he should NEVER DIE.... i think our Engineers had attempted this too.  But in the END they were also MORTAL after all.

"The story has been hijacked by this David-focus"

It seems that THIS was the Main Force behind the Prequels, looking back before Alien Covenant (inc the Drafts) there seems to had been 3 other sets of Concepts,(where it was about David)  and IF the Source i had was Correct then even prior to THEM what we had again was a Story that was Central to David.... and WHAT he would Create.

Some Fans are ok with this, to Degree and others SIMPLY do-not want any Story about Androids....

And so when i mention ALPHA-RACE i mainly think that you could go and EXPLORE another Race who are ABOVE the Engineers, they could be LESS-HUMAN or even Totally NOT Humanoid.

I only Mention such a Race in Context to David in regards to WHAT i think was going to come NEXT and so in that Case it would NOT have been a ALPHA RACE but more a OMEGA RACE.

I suspect that David would Create a more Perfect Human Species from those Human Embryos and he would Charade to them that he is their GOD and Creator...  UNTIL other Humans Turn up and his Creations then DISCOVER their TRUE ORIGINS and Davids... and well thats when Creating those beings becomes a DOWNFALL for David.

And so i SUSPECT that the Space Jockey would have been either David (in a Newer Synthetic Body), one of Davids Creations (Humans MK2) or maybe another Synthetic who is TRYING to STOP what David intends.

It may have ENDED UP being a Engineer but i SUSPECT that RS would have Thrown some Curve-balls that LIKELY would have Ruffled more Feathers.

I just dont think MANY Fans would be Happy at such though....

I do THINK that the Franchise could Explore other Races that Created the Engineers or that the Engineers had Created and by doing so either in SETTING a STORY that is FAR FAR AWAY or a VERY LONG TIME AGO... or Both

Well that is the Problem... because if you look at ALIEN R, AVP and AVPR and looking at ALIEN V then it shows that the Writing Staff just DONT have anything Good to Provide us, they all seem Revolve around Xenomorphs.

The WAR OF THE WORLDS is a Interesting Comment, who knows what he Meant?  There is the Potential for that in the Franchise, but you RUN the Risk of Conflicting with the ALIEN Franchise.

If we have the Future after AC and so 2105-2122 where you have David and his Creations, VS the Engineers, VS Mankind then THIS would Conflict with ALIEN and more so ALIENS.

Unless this ELEMENT comes to PLAY after the events of ALIENS/ALIEN 3 or if the Prequels would CLOSE that Time-Line to ALIEN in that we END the Conclusion with the Derelict Landing down on LV-426 like 2-5 Years before ALIEN.

Then AFTER we have ALIEN we have more of Davids Horrors, we have more of the Engineers we get a WAR OF THE WORLDS.... But this would Conflict ALIEN!

NOT if RS would remove ALIENS from Canon....

Ridley Scott said you could BRING BACK our Ripley... you could DE-AGE her and so we have to WONDER as to WHAT he meant?

Replace Alien 3 and Alien R?  Or could he mean to do a ALTERNATIVE set of Sequels to ALIEN that would FIT with his War of the Worlds Vision?

But you could ALSO just Explore a FAR FAR away Place in the Galaxy that Humans from Earth have NOT even Visited, so you have Engineers,  other Worlds, Creations!

But WHAT about Human Characters?

Well can we just ASSUME that the Earth is the ONLY place that had Humans in our Galaxy/Universe like for Thousands of Years?

BUT how would we Understand them?  Easy Sub-Tittles for a BIT and then they Speak English for our Convenience!

No BODY has a Issue with STAR WARS we have Humans in a Galaxy Far Far Far Away..... you really think Humans in a Galaxy Far Away would SPEAK ENGLISH?

And so its for our Continence (to a Degree) and so YES you can Explore other Areas of the Galaxy, with other Humans and then DO the War of the Worlds with that.

THEY could show us that Humans had came from FAR AWAY and Hundreds of  Thousand of Years ago and THEN after some WAR OF THE WORLDS the Engineers had taken some HUMAN Survivors to Earth to BEGIN again... and THIS is where our History begins.

With a film thats nearly ten years old and has been discussed endlessly I try very hard to avoid repeating myself. 

P R O M E T H E U S was made very very quickly. The change of the mission purpose and placing Weyland on board, with a character that became his daughter was as late into the movie as much as the sets were build for a creature break out rather than something more existential. 

The fact that the prologue of AC predates Prometheus rather like the extras (The Ted Talk and Quiet Eye) shows the film maker trying to give more context to Weyland and his relationship with his creation but that patently does not help the casual film goer. 

The literary driver that Damon introduced of Prometheus was powerful but the connection with Mary Shelley's book could equally have acted to steer the story through the territory with greater subtlety and nuance. 

Weyland was a decrepit old man trying to bend the rules with two children neither of whom loved him whether organic or otherwise. 

When I was asked to back into my work and retell the films story I went someway to addressing these issues by making the narrative knowing and having a much more detailed conversation go on between Weyland and David. Equally Meredith has a proper arc and her eventual demise underwrites one of the key ideas of this story as well providing Janek with the chance to tell the audience what had actually happened on the Moon. 

However last year a friend who is a professional proof reader edited the story for me and he observed as a non involved reader that Weyland appeared to come out of nowhere. My response was to think about adding a flash back which finds Weyland speculating on his growing sense of mortality on the Mars Orbital of early Spaiht's scripts and his musings being interrupted by the quiet eye interventions of Elizabeth. She is like the drug dealer with the solution to his need and he ignores the implicit dangers of her offer. In my original story Elizabeth repeats the error with an even more dangerous invitation so one would be a prelude to the other and remind us the road to hell is paved with good intensions.

I think this expansion into a much more sophisticated environment could have worked but the creature (a foot note) should have been seen off and through looking at Weyland, David and Meredith in more detail the first film could have set up and hinted at what would be found.

The second film could have given power to the first film by making it clear all the answers really were in the first one by analogy and echoing.    

I think the PROBLEM we had to look at is that Different Fans would have Expected Different things.

The BASIC Premise would have been to GO where David and Dr Shaw were going, which we would ASSUME was where the Engineer had said he was from.

Dr Shaw would have been WANTING to know as to WHY the Engineers Created us, and WHY they would come to Visit us and LEAVE some CLUES to the Location of LV-223. She would WANT too know as to WHY show us WHERE this Weapons Facility is Located, and WHY they Intended to Destroy us, WHAT had Happened to Cause our Creators to WANT to do this.

SHE would also be Wondering as to WHO had Created them (Engineers).

These are SOME of the Questions that some Fans had Wanted to know.... it seemed THAT these were LIKELY to be Answered to a Degree.

But some FANS would have been MORE Interested in finding out WHAT that Place was (LV-223) when and from WHAT did those Experiments come from, and the Black Goo.  While ALSO wanting to see more of the Engineers Technology and Horrors.

WHILE you had some FANS who had Wanted to know.. HOW THE HELL does LV-223 connect to LV-426 and the Xenomorph?  Maybe also HOW those Eggs got on the Derelict and maybe they would wanted to KNOW as to HOW the Xenomorph had Originated..... (It Seems that THIS is WHAT the Studio Felt that Fans would WANT to know more about).

You would HAVE to look at the Engineers Agenda and Purpose... it would SEEM that going around and Creating Horrific Weapons to UNLEASH on their Creations is ONLY a SMALL Part of what they do.... you could ASSUME that they ONLY do this IF they deem their Creations a Failure, Rebellious or a Potential Threat (or if their Creations Deeply Offend their Creators).

So THIS would be Important as to HOW would the Engineers react when Dr Shaw had arrived and STARTED to DEMAND some Answers.

The Creation, Sub-Creation, Rebellion and Hubris in Creating something Sentient and Intelligent seemed to be the LARGER Under Layer Theme!  As well as the Hubris of trying to EVOLVE yourself/Creations and PLAY GOD.

But  a LOT of People had Overlooked the Role of David in all of this, he is that HUBRIS, he has his OWN desire and Agenda.  He is NOW FREE, he would NOT want to go back to then BECOME a Servant to a Species he sees and In-superior, he is NOT impressed with Humans.

He is also NOT IMPRESSED with our Creators, they are NO GODS! they are mere MORTALS and its ONLY their Knowledge, Tools (Goo) and Technology that IMPRESSED our David. He may think these would be GODS are NOT worthy of being Creators and having all their Technology.

And so you could Expect that David would see POTENTIAL that was WASTED in what the Engineers had been doing.

The other VERY IMPORTANT thing to Consider with David is that he wants to SURVIVE!

And so DAVID would be the Driving Force of any Sequel, for the Reasons i had put above, and it SEEMS that THIS is what the Main Plot would have been about in the PLOT despite Changes from 2013-2015 they all have in Common that it would be ABOUT what David is going to WANT/DO Next.

The Change to AC still FITS with the Plans for David, only such a Plot Change had meant we would KNOW LITTLE of what Dr Shaw had wanted to ASK the Engineers and we saw Little of Her and the Engineers.

“However i think HAD we seen RS get to Continue with the Prequels then such a ALPHA Race would actually be Created by David on Origae-6 and maybe become the Space Jockey on LV-426.”

No thanks, it's too much about David already. I'm not sure if you support such a thing but I think that they shouldn't have anything to do with David. Hopefully Disney would give him a big no in case that would be his idea. To me that would be to destroy the prequels but Scott is too much into the android-thing and I don't find it interesting.

In case they would introduce another life-form then they shouldn't have anything to do with David at all. Hopefully this would take away some of the focus from the android-thing. The story has been hijacked by this David-focus. Maybe they could kill him off early in the movie and carry on with things that are more interesting. They could have the AC-Engineers in it but have more about other kind of Engineers that could be more interesting. I think that the prequels need writers that are good at what they are doing and an director that knows his or her limits and that doesn't interfere with the story.

The alpha-race that you suggest would be created by David seems to be so and so. Why should everything be about an android? The existence of something above the Engineers seems like an interesting idea so I'm not totally bashing your suggestion. What I am against is David creating them. If they have tried something in two movies and the result has been a mixed bag then it seems foolish to me to continue with it. Hopefully they will reduce the role of him heavily, I'm tired of it. Some other life-form from somewhere else could be interesting so in that way it could expand the franchise. The focus on the android has made the franchise smaller, because it could be so much more interesting.

In this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo30bZc10D0  Scott says that the alien-franchise should be as The War of the Worlds, the problem is that he doesn't explain how. If you don't explain what you mean by a comment like that, then it can get confusing.

You might be right that's what he means but he isn't clear about what his vision is. Contrary to that he made Alien Covenant about a mad android, that isn't to expand the alien-universe, that's to make it smaller. Not to say it's what Scott wanted but that's what happened.

Scott has ideas but he isn't a writer, let him throw out ideas and then people can say yes or no to them but leave the writing to those that know how to do that. Understanding your limits isn't wrong.

The question is: who are the writers that have the ideas and that can write interesting stories? It worked with Alien 1, 2, and 3. Who are the writers that can do that job while at the same time being able to stand up to studio-pressure?

Exploring more about the Engineers is a good thing since they added something new into the franchise. It would be a shame to never hear about them again in what ever way it might be (games, comics, whatever). Please expand the universe, don't go back.

How about an Engineer as a final boss so to speak?

Seems like it would be FUN.

I Wonder if some DLC will come down the Line that would introduce the Engineers it would be Interesting to see what Engineer Weapons would be like and maybe they can THINK OUTSIDE the Box a bit and NOT  just give us Plasma Blasts and Lasers.

Seeing a Bio-Mechanical Exo-suit for the Engineers could be COOL and NO i dont mean the Queen-Suit that Ripley as in the ALIEN V Concepts.

Something where the Bottom/Leg Area is like a Bio-Mechanical Crab/Spider/Scorpion would be COOL.

Looks good. If there is a GOD mode...I'll give it a try.

I think that there was some Potential with David and Dr Shaw and i FELT that the Sequel could have been MORE, as it SET UP a Number of things to Cover/Answer and would have STEERED AWAY from ALIEN which i was Fine with.  But i think the U-TURN was NOT the way to have gone.

I think we would have SEEN MORE with the Engineers, but i think that DAVID would still have been the KEY PLAYER and who knows what would have became of Dr Shaw (Apparently from when Micheal Green came on-board in 2014 then she was CURTAINS anyway).

It seems Dr Shaw was Destined to become a Experiment to Produce something that David would go and Create even a Year prior to Alien Covenant. The Difference is that she WENT from being USED to Create something NEW to being USED to Create the Xenomorph.

The PROBLEM they Faced with a Sequel to Prometheus was that IF they go to where the Engineers had come FROM... then HOW MUCH of a Movie can you have about David and Dr Shaw and whatever they GET UP TO on the Way.

Its then a CASE OF...

*What beings to they Discover on the World they are OFF TOO?

*And HOW would these beings Receive David and Dr Shaw?

*How many of these Beings (or Engineers) are there?

And so with JUST the ONE Human Character who some Found Anoying, with a Robot Sidekick, then its a case of HOW do they Interact with the Engineers?

David being Translator while Dr Shaw wants Answers... we SAW how this went for Peter Weyland?

So WHERE do other Human Characters come into it?  So i think for a WHILE they had Planned for INCOMING Humans to arrive which means that WHEREVER it was that David and Dr Shaw would arrive would NOT be TOO FAR from Earth.

This could have BEEN SOLVED with some Better Writing/Thinking!

*Is the Earth the ONLY Place that has Humanoids or even Humans that the Engineers had Created/Engineered/Evolved?

*Are the Engineers really HELLBENT on Destroying all Humans/Humanoids or ONLY the Worlds that Disobey/Displease them?

"There is a way to salvage it. A second follow to Prometheus could feature a flash back"

I think maybe David could have a FEW FLASHBACKS... i am NOT sure you could Dedicate too much TIME to it.

But the EVENTS that went by from when David and Dr Shaw had Arrived (maybe in Part the Journey too) at Planet 4 until the Last Breath that Dr Shaw had Taken and HOW/WHEN we see David go and Set-Up the Transmission to BAIT in another Human Ship.... i think these EVENTS could WARRANT a NOVEL ;)

@BigDave. Disappointed fans of Covenant, like myself, should resign themselves that the Shaw-David relationship will never be central stage in the Alien franchise. BigDave also asked what good introducing human DNA into the neomorph generation did for the franchise. In my opinion, Dr Shaw's character was wasted as a mere vessel for the neomorph.

The human origin aspect of Prometheus was side-stepped, sadly. There is a way to salvage it. A second follow to Prometheus could feature a flash back of the David-Shaw voyage to the engineer home world.

Looking at the WORM i wonder what KIND of Xenomorph this would Produce?

(B) Was another Concept for Blomkamps Alien V

Looking at the WORM in these NEW Concepts i wonder if the ADULT FORM would be similar to (D)

Looking at the GUN though you have to ASK what makes it TICK?

I doubt its like i had MENTIONED... so it either Fires some Energy Beam or it Fires a Solid Projectile and i think its DESIGN is merely for that WOW COOL! Factor... so it looks like its got the Xenomorph DNA/Aesthetic.

Another Question would be does that WORM/SNAKE have ACID BLOOD?

If it does then HICKS is looking to get BURNT!

I think we maybe need to TAKE this in Context to the Other Concepts, and it seems the PLOT is about some Corporation who are TRYING to use the Xenomorph to Experiment and Create other Weapons from their Genetic Make-Up.  And this is LIKELY how they get to the Queen Suit that Ripley would Wear (Awful Idea)

So maybe this GUN is Engineered from the Xenomorph but i FAIL to see HOW a Reverse-Engineered Xenomorph can lead to a GUN?

Maybe it could be Reverse-Engineered from the Derelict/Engineer Ships Technology?

Or it could be a Engineer Weapon... but we have to ASK as to WHY they would have Weapons?  It makes sense for a ADVANCED RACE if they feel there are Threats to them in the Galaxy, but i have a FEELING that MOST of the Worlds they Interact with they MAKE-SURE they NEVER go and Advance Past what Mankind was Thousands of Years ago.

And so the GOO or Xenomorph/Deacon/Neomorphs would be Good Enough.

The Comics did introduce some Engineer Energy Weapon though....

But i think you could also Wonder if they have some kind of Weapon that is Related to the Xenomorph, and by that i mean some Weapon that Acts like a PAINT BALL GUN... that Fires Balls/Spores that HIT a Target and either INFECT them with the Pathogen/Parasite or they Merely SPLAT them with ACID.