Disappointment?

Yeah Mentos I sort of think you have hit the nail on the head. The "goo" in the urns is definitely integral to the plot and I think you may be right about the metamorphosis of some of the crew into creatures. This picture could be one of the crew undergoing a horrible change, well that's how it looks to me. [IMG]http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii283/Evilqtl_2007/Misc/xlarge_scream.jpg[/IMG] And this Comic-Con footage was said to be very relevant to the plot. [b]He has some of the "goo" on his finger[/b] [IMG]http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii283/Evilqtl_2007/Misc/images.jpg[/IMG]

i do not agree ... genetic hybrids were already in Alien 4 , plus there are other hybrids in Alien Vs Predator ...so is already an used thing and not as "scaring" as the facehuggers thing ...also a big success like District 9 widely used the genetic contamination thing . The liquid you see on the finger is the white blood that androids have ( as reporters said ) ALSO in some frames of the video we see an ABDOMEN checkup ... i dont think is a coincidence

Hybrids are totally different to metamorphosis.The hybrid (Newborn) in Resurrection came about from cloning and I very much doubt AvP is going to have any influence what so ever. The original description of the comic con footage said it was blood on his finger, but I have read another description which states it is actually "goo" as it is moving. The picture actually says "abdominal" and could be a health check for all we know. If you notice the arms and legs and stomach are highlighted as well, seems to me like it might just be checking after a long hypersleep or something. [URL=http://s267.photobucket.com/albums/ii283/Evilqtl_2007/Misc/?action=view&current=afootagesnaps.jpg][IMG]http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii283/Evilqtl_2007/Misc/th_afootagesnaps.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

It is an interesting one. I interpreted the liquid on Fassbender's finger as actual Human blood. In a write up of the footage he apparently cries in a scene too. So does he become human? Since I heard about the 'Mutation plot' there is something from the original Alien that I can't stop thinking about. [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7HTO3jP-_lk/Sh9ssZLuALI/AAAAAAAACyo/Sc2G6YHfbEI/s400/Alien+costume.jpg[/img] As you can clearly see on this picture, the forehead of the original Giger costume was built around a human skull. Do you think this is relevant, possibly an idea hashed out by Ridley in the original film? Or merely a coincidence; simply used to build the shape of the face? (Ps: Nice compilation picture Theusprom)

""And then the actual footage from the film starts, and its a huge flood of creeptastic imagery that recalls Alien but also a bit of 2001: A Space Odyssey. There are guys in pressure suits exploring an ancient chamber with weird hieroglyphs, and a guy in a spacesuit walking through a sliding door into a clean white chamber. And a guy (who might be Michael Fassbender) pulling a weird jelly-looking thing out of a canister. And as Ridley Scott's voiceover notes that things that may look small in the film will turn out to be important, there is a shot of a drop of blood on a finger. There is Charlize Theron on a table with bandages wrapped around her breasts, as though she's waking from hypersleep. And then the footage gets faster and more furious, with a guy in a visor looking down at something, a woman in a suit walking into a red entryway, and a globe, and then Scott says, "The cast find an establishment which is not what they expected it to be, it's a civilization but what we find in it is very uncivilized behavior." And then there is insane carnage and people with goop inside their space helmets and someone shooting a flamethrower, and mayhem breaking loose in confined spaces. Meanwhile, Scott's voiceover is saying that there will be biomechanoids and the film will "break new ground." We see a giant pale planet with rings around it. And then we see Charlize Theron doing pushups naked. Says Scott in the video, "There is a DNA of the original Alien, [but] that's as far as it goes, everything else is completely different. It's all about everything." And now the people in the footage are crying and screaming and freaking out and the video is flickering like an interrupted signal. And Scott concludes, "Of course, what i want to do is scare the living shit out of you."" yes it dont say white blood ore red blood ( i saw a youtube videos that said white one , but all the others call it simply blood which can mean red one ...also the goop thing inside the helments is very interesting ( and can support in some ways your theories ) ..i remember that when i saw Alien for the first time i thought that the monster was a sort of "the thing from outer space" jelly goop affair . Maybe we return to that ?

Eventually found the description I was looking for about what was on his finger. This is from another forum i frequent, from a guy that seen the footage from comic-con. [b]I don't know much about it, but I did found it interesting. On the clip, an index finger is shown with some weird gray liquid (just to give an example kinda like the spiderman3 venom black thingy http://digitalcontentproducer.com/mil/features/gt02t_comp_v39_200.jpg) that is like expanding into the finger. In some sites it is said that is blood, I don't think it was blood at all because it was like moving, If I had to guess form the leaked plots I would say is maybe the terraforming stolen tech... oh, and it is also shown first in a big container. that's what think it can be.[/b][i][/i]

The main creature in Alien 3 was a Natural Hybrid as well. And I completely disagree with every single person on earth that Knocked Alien 3. The extended version of the that film is remarkable. A true JOY to watch , and had some highly original ideas in it was well as some direction by Lyncher that was so ahead of it's time no one really understood or even appreciated it. IMO Alien 3 was a highly entertaining film, all 4 had something unique to them, and I hate when people say tings like "should have" or "would have" or "could have" because all that matters is what IS. Each film is what it is, and should be appreciated for it's special and unique place in the franchise/storyline. The "goop" idea is cool, and really nice speculation but in the end all that counts is that the main idea here is explaining the origin of the eggs and the original creature itself which Scott, Lindham, Spaiths, Weaver, and everyone else who is even remotely connected to the film has stated over and over and over again...is it's focus. and lastly, however thus film plays out, if it does not follow some highly unlikely and pre-conceived notion I have built up in my own head of how it should there is no way I am going to be disappointed just because it does not. This is Ridley Scott's film, not Mine and not anyone elses. It's Dan O'banaon and H.R. Gigers creations , not mine and not anyone elses It belongs to the people that made it/make it/continue to evolve it/work on it/in it/because of it, and in the end, I am quite confident in all of them and in the fact that this film, in all likeliehood is going to make science fiction history. Most importantly, I have complete faith in all of them, and that no matter what, this film, like Alien 3 was in it's extended format, will be a JOY to watch, a complete feast for the eyes...and in the end...a perfect addition to the storyline we have all embraced since 1979.

Ooo that's pretty cool. Another thing I forgot to mention in my first post: In [b]Aliens[/b] the human colony on Lv-426 is successfully terraforming the planet. Where did that tech come from? In my mind the 'fake plot' that leaked never seemed too unreasonable, I don't see why it can't be the real thing.

You might be spot on Mentos, but the story idea I heard, admittedly awhile ago now, was that the Space Jockies were using us as a form of life to us and get inside our thoughts, supposedly to the point were it was said there was one scene inwhich they use two hetrosexual men to have sex with one another as they have never seen humans before! Pretty scary stuff. Saying that, I suppose that also could be in the same plot as the one you mentioned. One thing I think is very likely though, Ridley keeps saying at the end of describing the plot ".........and something else" and is constantly comparing it to 2001. I think he really wants a horror like Alien, but also wants the audience to ask ourselves some big questions. We are very likely going to see a form of life that through the plot is going to scare us because of the questions that we have to ask ourselves, which, as we all know, is as scary as anything we see or hear.

Alien3 was a disaster not because is a bad movie but because it ruined the franchise , thats enough ...and after that it was not possible to resurrect it . The ego of who made Alien 3 ( director , scripts ) is the responsable . You cant throw away the work of 2 directors like Scott and Cameron because you are a great director wannabe like Fincher ( that proven later to be a good director but not at the level of the other 2 ) . Cameron did show more respect to Scott story . So for me alien 3 is a franchise disaster . REturning to the point ...the LV426 terraforming operations did not show something "organic" tools but is also true that Scott will not want to be connected too much with Aliens !

[quote][i]I think he really wants a horror like Alien, but also wants the audience to ask ourselves some big questions. We are very likely going to see a form of life that through the plot is going to scare us because of the questions that we have to ask ourselves, which, as we all know, is as scary as anything we see or hear[/i]. - Tar[/quote] That was very well said Tar, and I agree with you there 100%. I can't really expand on that since you put it so well, haha.

I understand everyone's frustration about Alien3 however I RESPECTFULLY disagree completely that it "ruined" the franchise which is just plain not true, if that were the case "Resurrection" never would have been made and neither would this film. And David Fyncher is one of Britian's and the world's most respected directors today, something Ridley Scott would tell you himself. The chase scenes in that film through the tunnels and the killings themselves by the creature were infinitely better in the extended version of Alien3 than they were in any of the other 3 films. It isn't even close...and anyone that says different hasn't seen the extended version of Alien 3. & In two of those scenes you see complete human bodies being devoured by the Xenomorph. The first natural reaction every single person has that has ever watched that with me, is "WOW, way better than in any of the other films", and it isn't even close...the death scenes are way way better there. I understand completely why you and so many others never liked it, but from a standpoint of film knowledge and technical detail I have never heard even one solid argument as to why, all I have heard for however many years is "Ripleys dead they killed the franchise"... NO they didn't...period. This film and the last one are PROOF outright of that. And this one Is "prolly" going to turn out to be the best one out of all of them.

even if technically Alien3 is very good that dont mean is a good movie , in fact is a very good movie but a BAD alien movie . And honestly i dont like fincher , i smell his ego in every frameshoot . But thats are my opinion and thankfully you have yours ..shake hands and i respect your opinion . Regarding the Hybrids/metamorphosis thing i was thinking 2 things 1) the only ones that cant be metamorphed are the androids ... PEarce can be VERY WELL the 2nd android ... 2)They are filming in spain some scenes with Pearce and Fassbender MAYBE they are fighting back AFTER all the humans are killed ?? I like that idea ..the 2 Androids that avenge the humans destroyng the space Jockeys !!

Alien 3 is as good as the first 2 films if one can look at the film seperately from the the other 2. the the drop off from the alien 4 and the avp series is signifigant. i think that the first 3 films form the basis from which the fan following of the film originates. i agree that the extended version of the film is a must to fully appreciate what is being said in the film, golic's obsession of the alien and his need to confront it resonate with the hardcore fan in a way that alien and aliens do not. in the first 2 films the future is depicted as dark, cold, and dreary, where circumstances are dictated by a manevolant group which is working for the good of a company and not mankind. this theme of course is present in all the alien films as well as avp, but i think where alien 3 stands alone is that the alien itself, more so than any other film, becomes the personification (so to speak) of everything that is evil and wrong in the universe. the darkness of the films is what draws me and i believe fans across the board to these film. but i also think the darkness of the films and dim picture of the future steers mainstreamers away. my wife and son clear out of the room everytime one of the movies is on, why is that? because the darkness and dread of the movies frightens them more than anything, which is personified by the alien, which is done masterfully in alien 3

"ya- rrright!?"

Spall also have said that he will be killed by an "alien" ... assuming he will die quite fast in the movie ( hes surely not one of the central characters ) we can think that there will be clear "alien" enemies and not , or better not only , metamorphosis- contaminations things .

Frantz, I LOVE what you wrote. I remember watching the regular version in the theaters and consciously knowing something wasn't right with it....having a very terrible feeling that a lot of scenes were MISSING. Years later I was flabbergasted when I saw the extended cut, it was an entirely different movie, and what struck me the most was this, in several of the scenes we saw a thing that we never saw before, You are right, I think Lyncher is egotistical or was at that time, and I remember reading there were a lot of production problems in the U.K. But we saw some scenes that showed FULL SHOTS of the Xenomorph as it was eating some of the custodians and one FULL SHOT of the Creature grabbing one of the custodians from above pulling him up and devouring him in mid air. The autopsy scene of NEWT in that film was perhaps the single most terryfying scene in any of the films, only because of what it implied and not because of the gore or blood, it really wasn't that gory, what it was IMO was Fntastic Directing that was right in line with Ridley Scott's original thought process of showing "as little as possible of the creature" and having it still be terrifying, but Fyncher broke that rule later in the film in the ONE and ONLY way that made sense, showing a FULLSHOT of someone being eaten by the Xenomorph, which I had been praying for after both of the first two films failed to do that. I was utterly amazed at some of Cameron's shots in Aliens, but even he did not show a complete full shot of someone being eaten by a Xenomorph. I found it completely exhillerating to watch. But I do respect your opinion very much, and appreciated even more the way in which you presented it. My opinion is not a popular one on this subject, I have found that most people agreed with you. I have a really deep appreciation of the art of filmmaking and went to filmmaking school in colledge. So I always stick to my guns no matter what other people say or think, I just feel more comfortable being my self even it means sticking to my unpopular opinion. That said...Blazer1411 I absolutely was impressed with what you wrote. & I think you hit on something very important. I could never articulate it the way you did though it was a feeling that I could not express that resonated throughout that film... "Golic's obsession with Confronting it"... & the dread like tone of that film.

@Frantz, that's interesting news to hear about Guy Pearce and Fassbender doing scenes together. I also wondered the same thing that Pearce could be the 2nd Android. If that's true, perhaps the two could be working together against the good of the crew for the company's benefit or even more interesting, both take opposing sides and eventually have a showdown that would be pretty awesome to see. As far as the goo/mutation angle is concerned, I rather like that idea and think it could bring on a whole new twist in the series. Of course that line of thinking would be venturing into "The Thing" and even "Leviathan" territory for those of you who have seen that one. I think the idea of making members of the crew the actual monsters is a really cool concept and should be explored further.

A good source (he's been right about everything up to now) released some info about the Spain shoot and Pearce's role. [b]Anonymous said... Fassbender has said that he plays a "butler". Last year, Vulture -which has so far has proven to be right on the money- reported that one of the parts is that of "an older businessman along for the ride".[/b] For me, Pearce is the older businessman (would explain the rumour he is in heavy prosthetics) and Fassbender is his android butler.I wouldn't be surprised if Pearce's character is the benefactor of the archaeological dig that finds the co-ordinates.

Haven't thought of either of those films in a while Hudson25 and I think "The Thing re-do-kinda-thingy" is being released quite soon. In Leviathan that monster was gray, huge and wide bodied and looked almost mechanical if I remember this right... and that's all I remember from that film. Please tell me how dreadfully wrong I am if I am. {and I think you're right about the goo and that for that exact reason it most likely won't happen, Ridley Scott wouldn't deviate like that would he...?...}.

Pearce and Fassbender are the best two actors of the group ..to be honest im not happy to see one doing the android and the other doing the old businnessman :D If its really that THEN the role of the "star" is back to noomi rapace and Idris Elba ...im curious to know the role of Ben Foster

One of the Full shots was when It grabs the DR. and then it [CRAWLS] over to Ripley and then there is another close up of it sticking it's face up to Ripley's Wicked!

ALIEN 3: The GOOD, The BAD, and The UGLY THE GOOD Original ideas General atmosphere Some dialogue Art Direction/Production Design Music Cinematography Costumes Sound effects Matte paintings THE BAD Almost all of the Special Visual Effects (especially optical/blue screen effects) A dearth of likeable characters Clunky and clumsy editing Pacing/Story structure Bishop Android connection THE UGLY Killing off prime characters for narrative convenience Killings which lacked purpose Killings which were sloppy and bloody vs. cold, eerie, and calculated The ALIEN’S physique…especially in motion (optical effects) In my opinion, the question is not whether ALIEN 3 is a good film, the question is…WHO is it good for? For myself, after seeing it many times, in different incarnations…I enjoy it. Do I think it’s a good or great film (like ALIEN, Blade Runner, The Thing, ALIENS, or The Terminator), absolutely NOT. After my initial disappointment in ALIEN 3…over the subsequent years…it grew on me. Once I had survived: 1. My initial shock of seeing two beloved characters (Newt and Hicks) needlessly a thoughtlessly killed off over the opening credits…for no other reason but actor availability issues, lazy writing and script constraints 2. The ALIEN looking like some small, Blue Screen-ish, lightweight, optically composited, cockroach thing (still haven’t recovered from the infirmary scene where this DICK head puppet looking thing pulls up to bald Ripley, looking as feeble as a cheap ass marionette). 3. And of course the Christ-like image of Ripley sacrificing herself in the hot lead for all of mankind…which would’ve been okay, except for the chestbursters impeccable timing, and our heroine having the presence of mind to reach up and hold onto the bogus looking practical effect. Not to mention the terrible molten metal animation. ...I was free to enjoy the film…as it is. And the reedited (non-directors cut) version is even better still…despite its goofy editing flaws, further bad animation, and patchy sound. Still infinitely better. @Spartacus I agree with some the comments in your posts. However, these films may belong to the creators/filmmakers/FOX, but it is asses in seats that make or break a film franchise…specifically mine and yours. And if these guys don’t get their shit together and give the people some quality cinema similar to the original ALIEN, the only asses that will be in the theater, will be themselves…give or take a few ALIEN addicts. Also, you’ve mentioned enjoying scenes where the ALIEN 3 Xenomorph devours or eats its victims. I don’t think that any of the ALIEN filmmakers ever intended that the viewer is to believe that the ALIEN…EATS it victims. It’s only ever been depicted as an instinctive means to reproduce and or eradicate anything that could pose a threat to its lifecycle. Not food. It just seems less creepy to me. Maybe I just have a completely different understanding of the ALIEN than you do. Anyway, I enjoy ALIEN 3 as well. Back to the old freezerinos! ~Neurion

ive read on one review of the comic con footage that the thing on Fassbender finger can be his own tear ...on another a black film from the eggs ... - One reviewer said that is Theron using the Flamethrower ..to me is Logan M.Green ... also there is a minicrew of 4 going in a vehicle probably to explore something ..one is surely noomi rapace and another the same logan M.Green .

We can also say that the "thing in the jars" create a mix between the aliens and the humans ( the xenomorph of Alien have a human shape after all ) BUT is also true that the space jockey of halien have 2 arms and a head ... Btw if the goo , the liquid , the black film from the jar have to take some form surely it looks like a mix between the alien architecture and a human body .

All very astute observations Neurion, Whatever it was eating or just ripping to pieces or cutting up to cacoon and store for egg implantation, I found such scenes in Alien 3 absolutely exhillerating to watch. It is the ONLY film of the four in which FULL SHOTS are seen of the Xenomorph engaded in said behaviour. By "Full Shot" I am referring to the Technical term for a shot that includes the entire body of the Alien and taken from a little further back so you can see Clearly what it is doing. The Dr.'s death scene, all of it, including the Xenomorph's intimidation of Ripley before it departs though the air vent above with his mutilated corpse, is a THING OF ABSOLUTE BEAUTY as far as cinema and film making go... IMO. Just a remarkable scene. Never the less I love the way you took the time to break down your argument and i respect that, I can tell there were things that bugged you as did me, but at the same time you could never have done that without a deep love for the entire franchise and all it's 4 films. You "prolly" could have done better than Fyncher. I think in the end when all is said and done and this film is released it will be along long time before I ever watch Alien 3 again, simply because THIS ONE...looks to me like it's going to blow ALL 4 OUT OF THE WATER PERMANENTLY!

All things being said, i think the only potential dissapointment from prometheus could be 1 of two things, or both for that matter, first if it is a garbage movie like avp requiem, or second and most seriously, it has a pg-13 rating, the pg-13 rating will absolutely kill this film. that is what scares me the most, anyone who disagrees need only watch the first avp and see how there is no real suspense of fear in that movie and the cut aways right when someone gets it, is weak, and that is what we'd all be left with, DISSAPOINTMENT!!!!!! hopefully with Ridley at the helm these two things can be averted and the story, whatever it turns out to be, will be entertaining.....

Alien did work because it was SCARING ...was a primitive FEAR ...you were there , in the middle of the crew thinking , with them , how to deal with IT . My main fear is that Ridley aim too high for what must be basically a Sci-fi horror movie . Im interested in an intriguing script but dont carry me too away with gods , life etc etc because its not that kind of a movie . I want to care about the crew , follow them and be scared with them .

Amen to that Blazer1411, ya just know if a film like this is carryin' a Pg-13 rating Into it's opening run it's gonna die a quicker death than one via Xenomorph!

@Spartacus Well Spartacus, I will say that I have a deep “cinematic” love, or at least appreciation for the original 1979 ALIEN film. As far as the rest of the franchise, you could say…I have a 32 year old infatuation with the ALIEN “universe” cooked up by Dan O’Bannon, Ridley Scott, and H.R. Giger. My fondness of the films follow a kind of descending order. I’ll put it this goofy way: If my viewing experiences of the ALIEN films were like sexual experiences with the fairer sex, I would list them thusly: ALIEN: A loving, deep, passionate, exotic, and mysterious time…with a beautiful and romantic climax. Like in a great marriage. Truly making love. Unforgettable! :-) ALIENS: Great foreplay, followed by an exciting, semi-taboo, rollercoaster ride, with a woman I’ve known for seven years…and was always curious about. Ending with a big bang, and then a European cigarette :-o ALIEN 3: Foolin’ around with a babe that reminds me of a woman that I’m still in love with. It’s a pretty good time…but I can’t stop thinking about the one I truly love. Melancholy sex :-( ALIEN: RESSURECTION: Bedding down with a prostitute or a VERY cheap broad. We go through the motions, but it just doesn’t feel right. I can’t really respect her…because she doesn’t even respect herself. She barely resembles who she used to be. And I’m pissed off that I actually paid for this counterfeit action…in one way or another. Nevertheless, I’ll call her again next week :-(( Weird huh? I guess. But that’s the way I feel about the franchise. Unfortunately, I am not as optimistic as you are about the new PROMETHEUS film. It’s pretty much destined to fail, at least ME. Either, because it just won’t measure up as a Great film story, or because it will tweak and mess with my own personal imaginings and Alien lore. So, as an old ALIEN “dog,” I’m pretty much screwed. Of course, there is an extreme, outside chance, that it will meet or even exceed my filmic desires, but I highly doubt it. If there’s a director who can do it, it’s probably Scott. But, even he has a relatively spotty film record lately. We’ll see. “I don’t trust anybody.” ~Dallas…and Neurion “Right. You see, Mr. Parker and I feel that the bonus situation has never been on an…equitable level.” ~Neurion P.S. Thanks for cordiality and kind words in your response to my post.