The 2nd Android

well guy pearce is a perfect android bUT is also true that this can be other smoke in our eyes

At this point, in order for it to make any sense and mostly because he did not use the descriptive.."New"...in his sentence when he said that...it can only be one of two androids in particular...Only One of them though... "Call." or "Bishop". The following dialogue is from the final moments of the extended version of "Alien 3" on the Collector's Edition Quadrilogy Box Set. It is referenced as... "Never Trust Bishop" Ripley -> "Don't come any closer." Aaron -> "Wait...They're here to help." Ripley -> "Stay where you are." Bishop > "Ripley." Ripley -> "Bishop." Bishop -> "I'm here to help you." Ripley -> "No more bullshit, I just felt it move." Bishop -> {Loudly Now} "Do You Know Who I Am ?" Ripley -> "You're a Droid, same model as Bishop, sent by the f*****g company." Bishop -> "No, I'm not the Bishop android...I designed him...I'm very human...the company sent me here to show you a friendly face...to demonstrate how important you are to us...To Me." Ripley -> "You just wanna take it back." Bishop -> "We wanna kill it and take you home." Ripley -> "Bullshit." Bishop -> "You're wrong...we wanna help." Ripley -> "What does that mean ?" Bishop -> "We're going to take that out of you." Ripley -> "...and keep it." Bishop -> "we can't allow it to live, everything we know would be in jeopardy." Ripley -> "You don't wanna take it back ?" Bishop -> "Ripley...Time is Important... Soldier in White Lab suit -> "Let us heel your wounds." Bishop -> "We've got a surgical base set up on the rescue ship...come with me." Soldier in White Lab suit -> "It's very quick, painless, a couple of incisions, you'll be out for 2 hours." Bishop -> "And then it's over....you still can have a life...children...and most important...you'll know it's dead...let me help you." Ripley -> "What guarentee do I have... that once you've taken it out... you'll destroy it ?" Bishop -> "You have to trust me....please...trust me." Ripley -> "No." ------------------------------- The following dialogue is from the final moments of the extended version of "Alien Resurrection" on the Collector's Edition Quadrilogy Box Set. It is referenced as... "I'm a Stranger Here Myself" Call -> "So this is earth ?" Ripley #8 -> "This is Earth." Call -> "It's my first time here...suppose the military will be sniffin' around here pretty soon...bet you're not to anxious to see them." Ripley #8 -> "Not really." Call -> "You Know, a person could get really lost around here if they wanted to...what do you think...what should we do ?" Ripley #8 -> "I don't know...I'm a stranger here myself." ---------------------------- Bishops intentions are clearly to aquire the alien for Waylan Yutani's "Bio-Weapons" division and this is confirmed in Resurrection. If call thinks she has never been to earth, and even suggests to Ripley to run away now before the company gets to the crash site, her intentions are therefore honorable towards Ripley...and they get proven as such several times in that film That leaves One Answer and it is... BISHOP Perhaps a different actor model or using CGI but it has to be BISHOP to make any sense...he is the ONLY Android with the correct intentions who could have had access to the information and history of Prometheus's mission 30 years prior...and at the same time...known of the original Queen inside Ripley, which is more than likely how General Perez has come to aquire a Queen on board the U.S.S. Auriga under the closley guarded care of "Father". Bishop had to have been involved. And we know he must have been, because Gediman tells us They "Took DNA samples from her death site on Fiorina 161." Only Bishop could have known exactly where to do that. For them to keep it a secret it cannot logically be any other Android at this point then Bishop. Otherwise there would be no need to keep it quiet and they Risk losing a lot of credibility by doing that. Bonus -> Bishop...can "Remote Pilot" any ship. He brings some added value to the table as well. It just plain fits perfectly...like a glove. A far more younger, agile, state of the art Bishop from 30 years prior could be a very effective crew member of Prometheus, even under a different or assumed name as a company plant on Prometheus herself."

Ridley have said the there is some sort of alien DNA in the last 8 minutes ...i cant really think that he care something about Bishop and Call and all the whole "alien" franchise expect HIS first movie .

btw what did you wrote make perfect sense :)

you could be right, i wouldn't be surprised at all if he went in a totally different direction. I could be way way off, it's just a hypothesis, But I like it a lot. I am in fact speculating, and you are absolutely right I want there to be a solid tie with the rest of the franchise and that calls my whole take on this into question...it's just wish full thinking on my part.

Yeah, I think the only thing that Scott is using is the Weyland name and thats it. I think he will throw a monkey wrench in there. I think fassbender will be a fairly good android but the sleep android will be the one who programed to bring back the specimen....but who knows at this point...Scott can do anything.

A sh. B ishop. C all. D avid...E lizabeth (but I'm thinking the reveal happens halfway through, when we find out Vickers was just a red herring for the second android, and she's more of a cross between an android and a replicant with false memories implanted + some cyborgness for good measure). If she has organic and inorganic parts she may still have some real memories, but the company messes with her after her father dies. We only see the dad in flashbacks until it's revealed the memories are fake and she's company property. Someone on the ship could still tell her she was real as a little girl when the initial discovery was made by her father when he was in Africa doing missionary work. So she remembers she's still part human, and fights through the end of the movie with Fassbender bot.

i think is very interesting mala'kak ... however that thing of the "fake" memories was a bit already used too much in movies ...and is a bit too similar to bladerunner . Also the character that reveal at mid movie to be a bot is overused too ...expecially in the alien saga ( call and ash ) ...btw that alphabet thing is very cleaver . then next one is Frodo :D

Brilliant stuff there Spartacus. Did I not read somewhere that Theron will be a plastic. I agree that Scott wont want to go over old hat. If he is wise, which he is, he will stay away from the later movies and bring in something totally original. Wouldn't surprise me if one of the plastics is the lone survivor but broken or modified in some way by the events. Consider this. Where does WYC get the knowledge of the derelict ship from in Alien. Why send an android? I've often thought that the technology behind Ash to be far superior to the rest of the tech on the Nostormo. Parker used wrenches to fix pipes. Maybe Ash's technology was based on what returns to earth from Prometheus. Maybe Ash is hidden aboard Prometheus?