"Perfect Organism"

How ironic, I just finished watching Alien tonight as well. I don't think the company had any prior knowlege of the Alien itself, but wanted "whatever it was" to be brought back for analysis. Ash's new orders came once the distress call was intercepted by the Nostromo. Ash didn't know what it was, all he knew was what he had learned in the short time of examining it in the med-lab and then as the crew were picked off one by one. One of the scenes I found interesting, was the part when they're going to land on LV-426 and they hear an elephant-like sound and Parker says "What the hell was that?" but nobody else seems to hear it. I'm curious if that was part of the distress call which they intercepted or if it was just the sound of the wind outside.

Not to mention the deleted scene in which you actually hear the "Jockey" speak for a good 12 seconds, perhaps that perked the curiosity to gather whatever is found

There is deep underlying story where Prometheus, I hope answers these questions. Special Order 937, someone knew the ship was there and what the cargo was. Did an android from the Prometheus film gather data that was transmitted back from him to the dark figures of the company..thus alerting them to the space jockey ship?

I thought that they all heared that sound and that it was part of the technical problems. But about the alien, it's a pretty big to say it's perfect after all you know is that it's having acid blood and a great skin. Yes, Ash says it isn't weakend by thoughts or morality, but how could he know? all he saw was a dead facehugger and a chestburster, and that Dallas didn't seemed to be killed. In my view he couldn't have known anything about it's 'thoughts'. I really think the company knew more about them. And when Ash talks about his perfect creater and why it is that, he is not more than just a head on a table, so it might be that he can tell it due to his 'problems'. He also was the person who didn't want to remove the facehugger and made the chestburster escape.

(haha, my second try to post this) About the 'elephant' sound, I thought it was part of the mechanical problems on the shuttle and that Parker just get's scared of it. I think Ash got a lot of confident information from the company after the distress call. I really believe he had had to know more then he told, cause all he knew about them was that they bleed acid, have a very 'strong' skin and that it might not have killed Dallas. Ash talks about the fact the are not weakened by thought's and morality, while know's nothing about there behavior. In first place he only calls the facehugger 'a though one'. Only when he is having some 'technical problems' he starts to talk about the aliens being a perfect creature and why. He also let's the chestburster escape, like he wanted it to propagate (as seen in the deleted/director's cut 'scene' scene) , instead of freezing it and keeping the alien alive.

if the company knew what the alien was then they should know how dangerous it was ... and then would have been ridicolous to send an unarmed crew of only 7 to in an spaceship with thousands eggs ... So if the company knew something ( and i think not ) it should have been something very vague .

The Nostromo could have been in space already and to bring back an alien, the must have been unarmed, cause every person with a own mind would have tried to kill it directly. Ash was an android with as only purpose 'to ensure the safe return of the organism' just like mother. And the Alien(s) wouldn't be able to use his mechanical body, so if he locked himself or the alien(s) up, they could travel home safely, where the company could 'pick them up' and capture the alien(s). And I say nothing for sure, it's just a possibility. So we'll see in june.

They probably knew what it was from old documents found on earth talking about the xenomorphs coming in a.v.p. That storyline ties in with Alien, right.

i dont think Ridley care about the Avp legacy ...

It is apparent the "Company" knew of some type of organism but as to it's nature they prob did not. Reroute an unarmed ship with people that no one will miss...expendable. But by placing ASH on the ship prior tells me that they had already drew up a way to get it back here to earth...so, then, something in PROMETHEUS will hopefully flesh that out, like Scott said, the last 8 minutes will give a brighter light on Alien... Okay...can we finally get a trailer? I mean it..seriously..the Dark knight has one already, though it is not much but it has one.. and yeah, Scott could care less for AVP and any of the movie that were made after Alien.

One thing i dont get is why Ash starts to make some warm ups after the crew of the Nostromo goes to explore the alien ship. I find it really strange for a robot XD.

RESTRICTED ACCESS/EYES ONLY TO: Director, Special Ops, Weyland Yutani Weapons Division, 937/AG-9. FROM: Harbourmaster, Weyland Yutani Drydock Bravo, Thedus. RE: USCSS Nostromo, Flight plan, #233/04-A. Sched Depart > Thedus 12 June, 2121, 0600 HRS [local] Sched Arrival > Acheron 1 April, 2122, 1530 HRS [IST] Sched Arrival > Earth TDB Nostromo flight plan cleared with Antarctica Traffic Control. Pre-flight checks now underway. Science Officer USCSS Nostromo Sex: Male Nat: See Remarks DoB: See Remarks PoB: See Remarks >FILE UNDER REPAIR, ACCESS RESTRICTED< No Further enchancement by order of Weyland Yutani Weapons Division. WY/SCE-REF#0102/BG/E9 Updated 10 Jun 2121: 10 June 2121 - Present Assigned as Science Officer on Weyland Yutani commercial towing vehicle USCSS Nostromo, under Captain Dallas, [Flight Status A]. See SPECIAL ORDER 937. [In an impressive display of attention, the Anthology's date of Ash being assigned to the Nostromo before departing Thedus coincides with the amount of days Dallas ascribes in Alien. Two, that is. Assignment: 10 June, Nostromo departs: 12 June THE COMPANY KNEW EVERYTHING...this is from the LEGACY COLLECTION. Ash was assigned to the Nostromo two days before it departed Thedus.

Yeah, I kinda figured they had this planned before the flight departed. The company knew the ship was there and just needed people who would not be missed. How long have they known about the ship? With some insight, I would think Prometheus aids us in the many questions we have from watching "Alien" as a stand alone film...full of mystery.

First time on the forum... Big Alien fan... Reply to alpasavi: The reason why Ash starts to do a warm up as crew of the Nostromo goes to explore the alien ship is because Ridley and Ian Holm, i.e. Ash, thought that because he was a robot that the motors in his body would get stiff over time and that he would do warm up's to keep them from getting stuck.... It was in one of the DVD commentaries... There is a major need for a trailer for this film...

and this is exactly why I suspect we now know, in light of the new addition to the story line, that "Bishop" was always nothing more than a pure mechanical representation of the fact that "WY" wanted ONLY to create a new weapon. They were aware of everything involving The Prometheus by then and from the very start.

Why not just send a ship with just androids rather than the human element? The mission would get probably done without interference of the human emotion. Much to debate and think about...I love my fellow fans here...cool stuff!

lol...now we know... Bishop was so close to changing everything... & That's why his scream of ..."Nooooooooooooooo" at the very end of Alien3 resonated so strongly with me all these years.... ...I just knew there was something so sinister in that scream, and now we know, he WAS an ANDROID just as Ripley suspected all along, and all he wanted and and all of what he stood for was the capture and exploitation of Ripley's baby !!!

Ok guys, explain this to me. If Bishop can't by mission or action harm a human being because of his behavioral inhibitor how would he be able to keep the specimens alive for return to the company labs knowing that they'd kill humans in their reproductive process? I think Burke did something to Bishop since the company owns Bishop and Burke is the company rep there. Is there anything in the anthology somewhere about this?

I would not even count Aliens and Alien 3 having anything to do with Alien and Prometheus..pretty sure that Scott has his own intentions with the androids.

I disagree about him not counting 2 or 3, and especially 2. That was a great point about Burke and the androids in general. Whats funny is that even in the movie Aliens itself there is a STRONG suggestion that it is false to assume he wouldn't be able to bring the specimen{s} back to earth because of his programming because during his knife play with Hudson, Bishop Misses and cuts himself, a Clear Sign he is NOT up to the spec he claims he is...and at that point the viewer is forced to believe that something isn't quite right with his mantra of his/it's of non harming of humans. What I am realizing as we move closer to Launch is that the possibilities that these original films left behind are almost limitless and very exciting with regard to their nature and their set up in the 1st one.

Browsing over the points in the discussion I believe several items bear examination. Weyland Yutani would not want any unneccessary press regarding this covert operation. The crew of the Nostromo had longstanding records of misconduct and grievances with the company. As a result it would not be difficult for a corporation to discredit them should any form of arbitration be perpetrated. Ash was more than likely observing the gestation cycle and transmitting results back to the company. He nearly pushes Ripley away when she attempts to see what he's looking at in the scanning electron microscope, and hastily shuts the display off. As he is the one who informs Dallas that he should come to medlab and see Kane, he more than likely also knew that the Embryo had matured significantly, and was awaiting the next stage in it's development. Just prior to the chest bursting sequence he's also watching Kane with a bit more than casual curiousity. In the novelization Ash also sabotages an attempt by the crew to lure the Xenomorph into the airlock and blow it out into space. This demonstrates that he is following Special Order 937 to the letter and doing whatever is neccessary to bring this specimen back alive regardless of it's effect on the rest of the crew.

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This is the central question to the entire series of movies. How did the company know of the Alien? If that question does not get answered the entire series is meaningless. It is even a more important question, than were did the Alien come from, because that is the entire point of the first movie. The crew of the Nostromo were probably the most unprepared group of misfits out there. Ripley was the only one compenent one. You had an unsure captain, an overzealous first officer (perfect host), a navigator who just wanted to get home and turns into a nervous wreck, two engineers who only cared about a paycheck and a traitor who knows everything. When you watch Alien again watch the scene were Dallas informs the crew they are "going in", but watch Ash only. Ian Holm plays it brilliantly you can tell just by looking at him that he knows what is going on. I also contend that there was NO real signal from the ship. I bet you the company planted it in Mother. Special Order 937 stated that the Nostromo was to be rerouted to new coordinates. Mother told Dallas that she picked up a signal, a lie. Then the signal is never heard of again in Alien (after Ripley kind of breaks it down) and is never mentioned in Aliens. Plus the contract specifically stated the crew would lose their shares if they didn't investigate the signal. A perfect set up. In Aliens, when Ripley tells the company that they homed in on its signal, the company lady ignores the comment and makes no mention of it. What does Parker say, this is a commercial ship not a rescue ship, so of course the company set the whole thing up. Someone asked why not send a crew of androids. The answer is because Ash needed to study how the creature hunted and killed its living pray. The Alien most likely would not have concerned itself with Ash since it probably thought of it like another machine, and would not take hostile action unless it attacked. Also, its very doubtful that the facehugger could react to a machine. The central question is.... How did the company know of the Alien before it sent out the Nostromo?

Hi all, new to the group, but certainly not the 'Alien legacy' or it's lore. There's some great theories and banter being created on this site and I can't express how much I'm looking forward to June!!! @Rick, How do we know for sure that (speaking of 'Aliens') Bishop was actually owned/'company' property. I was always under the impression that Bishop was part of the USS Sulaco's crew (or equipment rosta, if you prefer) and therefore 'property' of the military/navy? Also, how do we know that Weyland-Yutani manufacture their own synths? However adding to that last note, regardless of who manufactured which synth (be it Borgia Industries or whoever) at the end of the day in this 'world' if you like, synths are deemed as property and it's fair to say that a large firm such as 'the company' would have the ability to programme/re-programme a synth (or atleast the financial ability) to request to the supplier/manufacturer that certain perameters be programmed into their purchase before reciept.