20th Century fox = Greed

Although I agree that, as with any business, Fox is looking to maximise its profits, I completely disagree with your comments regarding Aliens and the Queen. Firstly Aliens is considered a classic alongside Alien, although they are from the same franchise they are two different types of films. Secondly, the Queen idea makes alot more sense and is more efficient and befitting the aliens nature of "the perfect organism" than the idea originally intended for Alien - Queen lays egg, Facehugger hatches and impregnates host (1 host is used), as opposed to Alien converts host into an egg, Facehugger hatches and impregnates host (2 hosts are used).

Aliens is much in line with all the cameron's work ... and to me remain a perfect movie ( i dont see cameron making something more dark and gruesome ) . BTW i agree that a toned down ALien would have been ridicolous . depend where are the limits of an eventual PG13 ... words ? i dont care ... sex ? i dont care ... remember that Alien dont show much blood but is scaring as hell

I do agree that the invention of the queen may have made it easier to swallow,but for me it took away the very 'alien' essence of the creature. We have bee's and ants that lay eggs and for me the queen dumbed down the alien. The original idea is way more disturbing, been transformed into something 'alien'. This is merely my opinion however....

I am sure their will be a directors cut....probably released a few months after the Pg13 official release......well I am hoping!......i know they had a prequel to "The Thing"...recently got an "R" rating.....mostly due to some intense gore......but with PG13 ...I am not sure how much u can get away with?

I am a little uneasy,I must admit, with this rating. Fox will probably bring out a 'too extreme for cinemas' version and cash in a bit more

I've just had a horrible thought that this could actually happen. 2 versions being done, a PG13 & an R rated, PG13 version shown in 3D, R rated in standard, so if people want the 3D experience they have to watch the lame PG13 version, and if they want to see see all the gore & horror, standard it is. Also, if adults are taking the kids to the PG13, they will probably end up wanting to see the R rated version. This all equates to...(drum roll)... Max profits for FOX! I hope and pray I am wrong.

@ Thadus12, I agree that the original idea is more unsettling, but it just isn't very efficient, and the Alien, even in the first film was all about efficiency and perfection... Look at it this way, if the alien had landed on a colony of say 50 people, using the idea originally intended would have resulted in 25 Aliens. This method is a waste of resources, for example... In Alien only Dallas and Brett were cocooned (to become eggs originally), yet the Alien killed Parker and Lambert, leaving only Ripley. I prefer the idea that instead the Alien was cocooning them as a natural instinct. Furthermore I think the idea of being transformed into something alien and strange against your will be feature in Prometheus.

We know nothing for sure as yet, I do remember it was said somewhere that Brett was the egg and Dallas was the host but i also remember someone saying Dallas was food for the alien. Maybe it was changing both of them into eggs? if we do stick with the original intention and the queen does not exist,where did all the eggs come from?

Also I have read that the cocooning was to preserve the bodies so they could be eaten at a later time and was not as much about their metamorphosis or the Aliens Life Cycle.

It is stated in the directors cut commentary and gigers alien lifecycle artwork that Dallas and Brett were to become eggs. Also the original intention was changed before the film was released and only added in the diretors cut as a freebie, no matter what the original intention was that all changed with Aliens, and although it is clear to see that you Thadus12 are not a fan of the sequel, many, many people are. You are entitled to your views and opinions but you cannot change the fact that in regards to the Alien franchise, the Queen exists, end of. Ridley will not change that element for fear of upsetting millions of fans. You also asked were did all the eggs would come from, without a single Queen laying them (again very efficient) you would have to have had thousands ("Kane said he saw thousands of eggs") of previous hosts, which is not very efficient. Again, the idea of being changed into something completely alien against our will, and therefore losing our humanity will most likely feature in Prometheus. Although I am as psyched as you all are about the film I hold no illusions, Ridley has recycled unused and abandoned ideas from Alien and used them, along with the mystery regarding the Space Jockey as the premise of Prometheus. Hence when he said that fans will be able to see DNA (original ideas) from Alien, especially in the final XX minutes of the film.

I was indeed a major fan of Aliens when it came out and thought the directors cut was amazing. It was only later in my life when I read the original ideas and concepts,that James Cameron wrote in an alien queen to make the story more palletable,that Aliens as a prequel was not true to the 1st film, dont get me wrong,Aliens is well shot and has great special effects but as a sequel does not work for me

I agree the queen is now part of the Alien franchise as a whole but hope it will not feature in Prometheus?

snorkle. I watched it yesterday, what they say is they are being preserved as food !!!

Then it is your turn to correct me spartacus, touche. Although Gigers artwork does show this original intention, which has since been abandoned, in respect to the Alien that is, but regards Prometheus... we'll find out in six months. @ thadus12, I am 100% certain the Queen will not be in Prometheus, Prometheus will link to Alien as I've already stated, but it is not an Alien film.

There is no proof that 1 egg is created from 1 body ... a few bodies can give enough materials to create a frame that can produce thousand eggs ...like the Alien itself the starting "infected mass" can expland and occupy a large space that will make the "soil" for many eggs to grew ... the only reference for the 1 body = 1 egg is the one of the cocooned brett but that can be simply the start . The alien growth is not related to feeding ( a human baby without feeding will not grew ) since it become enormous from the death of kane to the killing of brett ..so we can assume that the alien "saliva" or " shit" or "resin " can grew alot even without feeding .

[quote]Just a thought.... With Fox insisting that Prometheus will carry a PG13 rating, so a wider audience can be reached=bigger financial return, will Prometheus' storyline be comprimised? We've already heard about the horror element been toned down Fox did exactly the same thing with Aliens.....Made it an action movie because that was the biggest movie seller in the mid/late eighties. As a result the 'roots' of Alien (1979) was changed They wrote in the abomination of a queen that lays eggs=more aliens=more action=bigger box office=lack of integrity![/quote] Aliens was exactly the same certificate as Alien(18), as was Alien3 and Alien Resurrection. [url=http://www.gazillionmovies.com/MPAA/PG-13.htm]PG13[/url] As you can see from the list, the PG13 rating cannot be that bad. Horrific gore isn't always the answer.

Brett actually appears to be caccooned within an egg at the end of Alien Directors Cut, and some of the books refer to the Alien being able to produce single eggs if they find themselves in a situation where they are the last survivor of their hive / colony. I am looking forward to how Ridley is going to do the connection. It's hard to predict the outcome when so many writers and directors have given their take on the creature :)

Snorkelbottom, my apologies if I was too dry and unemotional in that post, truth is I am a bit IN shock that someone else here was chosen for site admin consideration before I was, I Have given my guts to this web site for 3 months, I was the person that broke the Leaked Trailer footage story and I have been insulted 40 times on this site and ignored them all, even offered an Olive Branch to the person who did all this and flat out at that despite all common sense and to do so for someone so very undeserving of that, only to have it refused, and then get insulted again, publically right here, and the powers that be whom are suppose to be IMPARTIAL and FAIR did NOTHING about it at all, they just let him do it....and once, when I just felt that bringing up HITLER all of the sudden made absolutely No sense what so ever, especially since I Lost every single one of my relatives to him and his henchman...I reported it to the powers that be who promptly said there was Nothing wrong with saying "Adolph Hitler Filmed This" {and it was said and posted at the moment this person discovered I was Jewish} and then just yesterday the Powers that be decided to "Consider this person for an Admin position" which is exactly the same thing as a Judge telling someone who has been raped that they have to now pay damages to the Rapist. All this to let you know I am not happy at all, but it's not YOU it's the way this was handled and the rude slap in the face I received yesterday when I noticed that 3 guys, one who is rarely even on this web site, another who is perfect for the Job and yet another who has absolutely No Business what so ever being on that list, and that in my case, the efforts I made for the past 3 months have been completely discarded. I felt/feel wildly unappreciated and vastly insulted and do not think It is in m best interest anymore to care. I have tried to contribute in the most positive ways possible, I have helped several members figure out how to do things, but somehow all it has done for me is make my heart ache. My apologies. I should have worded that a lot better. I watched it yesterday and I agree with you but also, I noticed that on the commentary the first thing they said about Dallas and Brett being in that room was that the idea was supposed to be that they were "being cocooned for the purposes of being eaten at a later date" but I could still be wrong or that could be wrong in and of itself, It doesn't really make that much sense to me...the Xeno's may even do that just instinctively as part of their daily routines tom make sure they always have fresh meat around... In any case I am sorry, I am still quite upset and not myself. My sincere apologies to you for being so dry.

@ frantz, I completelt agree. It seems that the alien does not require much sustenance, not even to grow from a Chestburster to an adult, which after 6 films featuring the alien we have not yet seen. I personally envision this to be a very painful experience for the alien, that could be truly terrifying to watch - body heat, steam, saliva, shrieks, hisses, pain, bending, snapping etc.

@ spartacus, no apology needed, just a little advice - Its just a website. nothing more.

I agree, and normally I wouldn't care, but at 49 and after everything I have been through there is Just No Bullshitting in me, I cannot do it. I am hurt, I have been slighted, I do not like it one bit, and it says a lot about how things really are in this world. But you are 100% and I might even create one myself, I have a lot of people right now telling me to do it and I am very well versed in pearl and HTML. In the meantime you are right and I will try to lighten up and take everything less seriously. Which normally is no problem for me but I am a highly moral person and when I see an in justice or live one myself I let it be known immediately, I just can't accept Totally & morally reprehensible Bullshit from myself and especially from anyone else!!!

@ Biomechanic & Spartacus, There you go, kiss and make up, we are all here after all to discuss the forthcoming Prometheus, all other priorities are rescinded, crew expendable... in other words lets keep on topic, refrain from false and misleading information and enjoy the six months leading up to Prometheus's launch.

49...hey!....and I was fearing I might be the oldest guy here at 40...phew! Anyway Spartacus.....I would not be to upset about not getting voted as part of admin...I just come here to relax ....if they ever had to ask me i would probably say no thanks...it's just extra responsibilities and shit to worry about and whats the big deal ? ....is it supposed to be some kinda honor?....no disrespect to the guys who make up the admin team....i love this site and I don't have any problems with any of the people on here...so far I have not been insulted by anyone.....but what's does being part of the admin actually entail......i am really curious?

Personally, I think Bughunter should pick 4 admin, Spartacus, Rick, Biomechanic & Cain1977. I wouldn't mind doing admin myself as i'm on here at least a couple of hours a day now but I can't vote for myself and i've only been posting since yesturday. I think the 4 posters I have mentioned are the most prolific, if that makes sense? Not forgetting the amount of stress they saved me by helping me change my profile pic.

@ Biomechanic, I think it would be a shame for you or Spartacus not to be admin, you are both bringing good stuff to the Prometheus table.

I agree Spartacus and Biomechanic for admin.

LOL, I love all you guys. You hear me Sparky and Bio? We need a little controversy to get he heart pumping. Sparky is done Venting(I Hope). Don't take it personally Sparky I'm sure you're still up for the job. Would be great to see both you guys here throwing a jab every now n again at each other keeping it real. Just so everyone know's its not an admin job. The site needs 3 Moderators and I'm sure each will have to keep an eye on there own respective forums. On a personal note you guys need to set aside your differences and work together. That means don't take things personally, sucking up what ever has already been said, letting it go, and manning up. Be professional and most of all have fun. That also includes a friend request in Facebook in case something goes on in someone's forums and the other doesn't know about it right away. It just makes sense. Anyways there's my 2 bits. Regards, Rick

Exactly what rick said, couldn't have put it better myself!

Preach!

ooooooh....lol....the plot thickens ....Bio and Sparky is at it again....another reason why I find this site so entertaining...it might sound selfish of me to say such things....but I am willing to bet their are others on this forum that find it every bit as entertaining as I do.... Anyway back on topic.....PG13 sucks ass.....gimme the R rated version....it's not the most expensive movie ever made...so fox just wanne cash in!...the alien franchise is very popular and even with a "R" rating it will still make way more than it cost.... I know that Ridley was pushing for an "R" rating since he started on Prometheus.. i read somewhere that he almost abandoned the project at one stage...purely due to the PG13 rating.....so in the same article they mentioned that their will be two versions....the PG13 and R rated....In fact it would not surprise me if Sir Scott gave Fox an ultimatum....but he got his way...at least to a certain extent....not sure when and how they gonna release both versions.....R rated will be most likely released as a directors cut only available once the movie reaches DVD....I am sure it will also be re released in seleted cinemas......but that last one is just speculation.

I try to read as much comments as I can but I missed the origins of this argument. Meaning, A Hitler filmed what?? Just curious what was that refferring to :)

its about 2 moustaches that are found by Kane near the egg in an infamous deleted scene of Alien Director's cut .... Spartacus think is a clear proof that the queen raped Goering while im not of that idea .

Biomechanic mentioned hitler by way of a comment, Sparky called it distasteful, Biomechanic returned stating that he was jewish and took no offence. I believe this lovers tiff has been going on for some time, and just when it seems they are going to make up, one or the other puts their foot in it again. I personally think they are a married couple, with computers in seperate rooms. That said I can't tell really which one is the wife lol.

Ah Political Correctness, don't you just love it. I Wonder if you called an Alien and Xeno they would get pissed off...

The truth is out, so you are a married couple... I knew it lol.

And you said it, "FUN" is a big part of all of this. So I checked and I dont see anything offensive anywhere. Mentioning Hitlers name should not be offensive. I agree with Rick, which means the bastard did horrible things, but other more horrible thing happened in other wars too, and he targeted all different kinds of groups (blacks, homosexuals etc..) that didnt match with his ideals. This is nothing else just personal between Spartacus and Bio, none of you are more to blame than the other. Gonna finish off with an Einstein quote Peace cannot be kept by war. It can only be achieved by understaning.

I am a big fan of both Alien and Aliens, and I accept the queen as part of the universe tho there are ppl that dont like it... i like it.. and i think theres a way we can all atleast accept it in... If a alien(drone or warrior) is born and alone with no other eggs or pratorians/queen. Then that alien starts morphing some hosts into eggs till one egg hatches a Royal Facehugger or... the Alien itself metamorphises into a queen... That IMO is the best theory and possible way for everyone thats a fan of both films to except it... Example: ppl that loved the look of the raptors in the first jurassic park dont like the look of the ones in the 3rd one and both fans of the 3rd and haters of the 3rd made a theory that made it where they both existed with the raptors from first two films one subspecies and the 3rd film raptors another... thats my comment for the alien and aliens(queen addition) As for pg13... I am for it if they dont fuck it up too much... Tho i prefer R for some gore and horrific scenes :)