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Starbeast, we are on the same page. You said "notice further back, and to the left, there seems to be another object coming to rest.", that further back piece is the right horn of the ship from the arial view. The series of events are sequential. The derelict gets hit, by something slightly. The explosion is away from the ship. It lands upright with smoke coming out of it. Shaw is on the side of the ship with the 3 rings ("vaginal entrances" Giger calls them). Then the right horn (the further back piece) from the arial view falls on the right side. Then the left horn falls next to it.. meaning it rotates. Or.. there is another ship.. Note, the ship in mid air is not the same as the ship in Alien. It's missing a piece. Which is another thread.. lol

Yes, you can see a big gouge in the ground to the left of the derelict in the shot where it is resting "horns up." It falls horns first and apparently rolls all the way around to a horns up position. Of course, nothing that big [i]should[/i] be capable of doing that and remaining intact, but it definitely appears to be the sequence of events.

Nice, Biomechanic! That's a very large explosion, with a crap-ton of debris flying out.......makes sense to conclude that one ship rammed the other, and the non-SJ ship was obliterated in the impact...and we see chunks of the other ship landing all around Theron and Rapace.......looks like we'll see this ship continue to rotate around ~ 180 degrees, until the "horn" with the quasi-fin visible here, strikes first, followed by the other, nearly on top of the female leads, as they flee. It must then continue rolling across the ground until it reaches a horns-up position in the shot with Rapace staring at it.

my take is a bit different ..after the impact the ship make a "controlled" fall with the horns-up ...then it fall down ( maybe because heavily damaged ) ...and reach the "derelict" standard position while the girls escape .

With this animation, and the thought of the ship rotating.. then hitting the ground with the horns first.. would tell us that there are 2 Space Jockey ships..

Gang, just a little daft observation, but zooming-in on the animated gig there you can see that the explosion (or collision?) happens to the far side of the far side of our favourite vessel, to the far side of the opposite 'prong'. My point being that this is the same side of the vessel that we (to date, going back to Alien) have NEVER seen anything of in any scene or image (a 'far side of the moon' situation if you will). In other words - our Mr Ridley can do anything he likes with that far side of the ship as none of us have ever seen the ship from that side. Even in the trailer when we see it sat upright we still aren't shown that same far side. So we can't tell if in that upright scene if it has been damaged yet, will be damaged at all or how bad any damage may be. Also making it hard for us to determine if it's upright parked position is gained after or even before the mid-air incident or the 'rolling(?)' incident. Food for thought there gang.

'gig'?!?! Frikkin phone! 'Gif'!!! lol.

In one shot of the ship just as it reaches the ground, you can see Rapace running, and in the background, you can clearly see one horn in the distance, striking the ground just before the other one, much nearer Rapace does. Even though it's a very brief shot, if you pause the video at 1080p, it's possible to make out some of the details on the horn which strikes first. We don't see it in the trailer, but I'm guessing that the ship continues that rolling movement along the ground like a gigantic wheel, gradually slowing until its' horns are upright, at which point it stops...........in the shot of Rapace staring at it.

From your gif BM it looks like the Derelict gets on the hammerhead side, but your right it does look like there are some flames and smoke coming from near the three vaginal entrances. Only guess I can come up with is that the flames extinguish before it settles. Also, the lack of soot may be because the thing rolls like a wheel when it crashes.

I agree with you there Biomechanic. I think it is something hitting the Derelict that causes the explosion rather than the explosion coming from inside the derelict itself. Possibly the Magellan? The look on Janeks face in that brief shot in the trailer looks like he's about to poop his pants, maybe because he's about to crash into something?

A common assumption engineer, and one i had myself. But from the brief piece of footage we can't really tell. The only supporting evidence is the assorted wreckage from a human ship (Magellan/Prometheus) during the Derelicts crash and roll scene.

5 months untill we find out. Thats to long for speculations if you ask me. I've been waiting for this film for years, the next 5 months are gonna be tough.

No glaringly obvious damage from an enormous explosion. The horns that struck the ground first, look like they're still completely intact. The incredible mass of the gigantic ship didn't cause it to crumple up like an aluminum can when it struck the ground, as we would expect. Conclusion: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

huh i dont think the horns strike the ground first ...i think we see the botton slowly taking ground ( so there is a sort of controlled landing crash )...will be pretty ridicuouls to see the ship landing on the horns imo . i agree on the collision outside the alien ship ...

We can't really tell what hits the ground first, all we know is that it rolls like a wheel, at some point would create a "n" shape before settling into a U shape.

Watch the trailer in 1080p. In one of the shots with Rapace running from the crashing ship, you can plainly see exactly what hits first; that is, the horn with a rounded "fin." There's no doubt about it.

Just watched the trailer in 1080p - The Horn end is already in the ground as the Hammerhead comes down, we actually don't see what hits the ground first, I just checked.

I still think it's a second Derelict crashing next to another derelict. There are 3 objects on the final fall... a Derelict base and 2 horns.. The way the ship falls apart would be odd if there was just one ship.. so I'm assuming there are 2 Derelicts.. @BioMechanic, What tools are you using to grab the trailer then convert some of the scenes into images or animated gifs? It would be fun to have an animated gif for every scene!

Snorkelbottom, if you look at an 'aerial' view of the derelict type ship, the only way what we see onscreen makes sense, is if that horn strikes first. If it landed squarely on one side, it wouldn't make sense for the ship to have been so unbalanced that it rotated all the way around to a horns-up position.

Maybe, but not necessarily. The impact/explosion seems to send the derelict spinning downwards... [img]http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc389/bongobat/Fun%20on%20the%20Internet/derelict.gif[/img] Then the footage of the crash in the trailer shows this spinning wheel-like motion continuing, until it settles in a U shape. We don't see the actual moment the Derelict collides with the ground, so it is anyones guess until we actual see the point of impact, which is why I'm not saying it does or doesn't, because we simple don't know yet. We don't even know how far it falls, and how many turns it makes before it impacts the ground. IMO its pointless speculating, bottom line something causes it to crash, it rolls and settles, everything else in between is of no importance.

two images ..i hope they help [img]http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/5306/derelict1.jpg[/img] [img]http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/5300/derelict2.jpg[/img]

Frantz, in your top shot, the other horn is in the background, gouging out the ground, behind the one that's impacting near Rapace. If you look at the overhead shot of the upright derelict on the main page of this site, you can see a big gouge in the ground, to left of the ship.

*warning* new member :D Going back to the GIF, at first glance of course were thinking some kind of impact to the derelict or an explosion really close. I would like to propose an idea that i havent heard in this thread yet. Taking a different look at the GIF/scene of the trailer the derelict is plummeting towards the planet. As you can see its already in the atmosphere. Assuming the ship was orbiting in space/outside the atmosphere. Im thinking maybe it was hit in space/attacked and started falling before this little scene and we are seeing it after its already entered the atmosphere and possibly something inside explodes while its coming down. Maybe thats the reason why it is already spinning

Posting leaked stuff is so annoying. You never know if it's legit or if it's still in the movie or not. For all we know this was an earlier build that's been edited or that second pic could be from anything, who's to say its from this film. I prefer to stick to official stuff imo

We need a speculation thread where people can just all the unofficially released pics/footage lol. I really want to believe the xenomorphs aren't going to play a big role in this film. That's why stuff like this just Erks me, but if it is in there I know Ridley won't disappoint.

Well some kind of monster/mutation is showed in the trailer. Thats obviously the culprit. Not sure about this pregnancy stuff lol. We need to get ripley on these forums.

thats real prometheus ...otherwise the Fox CEO would have said that there were fake images in the leaked trailer .. there are no reasons to doubt that is not an original trailer ( then discarded in favour of a more "quiet" one ) of course we cannot forget that its maybe a dream and so on ... she seems to be shaw btw . I rest of my idea that she is "infected" by halloway ..thats explain the image of halloway feeling sick or strange after they have probably made sex .

An atmosphere processing unit would not work without the planet/moon having enough gravitational pull to [i]hold[/i] the atmosphere there. Therefore, it's still reasonable to assume that LV-426 had an atmosphere, albet unbreathable, and therefore winds, gas, and weather.

and that is said in Alien ...a very thick atmosphere ... and a good gravity of 0.86

@Frantz That's right. Forgive me; haven't watched it recently, but as I read that, my brain automatically kicked in the scene where Ash is at the console, reading that off.

Okay my two cents (well pence being British)... 1. The flashes mentioned in the original post are just lightning. 2. It is true that if this is LV-426 then there is a discrepency between the landscape as established in Alien and Aliens. What was it Ash said "Its almost primordial" (which I know was about the atmosphere, but the planet looked primordial too). Yet in Prometheus it looks more like Mars. So we have a dead planet becomes a infant planet. Could the crash of the Derelict result in the terraformation of LV-426? 3. I don't think Holloway infects Shaw, the scene in the trailer looks like he's suffocating due to lack of air (think Total Recall and Event Horizon). Maybe his helmet gets damaged? Okay, 3 cents/pence then.

Loving all of the updates! Keep it up!!

First off, to answer the original question: I think it's a storm on the planet. You can clearly see another 'flash of light' under the clouds just under the space ship on the scene where it's flying over the clouds with the larger planet on the left. I think it's either two different ships, or they are shown out of sequence. The scene with Shaw-Rapace looking up can't be the ship that's in the explosion if the explosion happens first because in the explosion, you can clearly see smoke and fire coming from out of a hole in the ship just short of the observation dome. So maybe Shaw-Rapace sees the ship from ground. It's takes off. It hits something. Then crashes - hence the reason why they are fleeing. About being pregnant etc. I don't think that first woman with her face all askew, raising her head up is Shaw-Rapace. I think it's someone else. She looks more Asian and also has a wider jaw-line than Shaw-Rapace. Just my thoughts.

Lightning - we already sussed If you mean the Prometheus; third possibility - they go to two planets, but I think they're just shown out of sequence. If you mean the Derelict, the flames and smoke could have extinguished by the time it settles in that position. Most people, myself included, believe the Pregnancy Victim to be Shaw-Rapace.

Okay, well that would be a very interesting twist - because there is certainly a hole where the smoke/fire are coming out from the derelict. HOWEVER - since we're assuming/thinking the Derelict is bio-mechanical, maybe it somehow has 'healed' itself and the hole is now fixed? I'm so excited about this film!!! :):):)

could be

I loved my idea, which was that... The Derelict is crashing and on LV-426 at that because The Company had been monitoring the events taking place on board the Prometheus, and discovered soomeone fromthe crew stole some ampules, they know something as well about the race of Engineers who are pissed now that some of their terraforming vials have been stolen by Earth Reps and decide to PUNISH ALL OF MANKIND by destroying EARTH...they load up the Derelict wiht Ampules programmed for XENOMORPH development and send it hurling towards Earth. The company is aware, intercepts it somehow {If you look properly you will notice The Derelict has been Fired at by something or some other ship is crashing into it, there's debris evidence everywhere of this by the way}, and in doing so it creash lands on LV-426 wht the cargo that was orginally intended for Earth. The Cargo itself is damaged now, and of course because of this, and Kane's intrusion, the rest is History!!!

LV-426 had a true atmososphere it was just mostly methane. Ash describes it as practically primordial

David might reprogram the navcomputer on SJ ship to go to LV-426 and the damage in the crash turns a facehugger loose. Another possibilit is that shaw gestates the first facehugger pod and it wriggles back to the SJ ship and infects the pilot.

okay new member but have read though this thread. i would say probably most in line with trailer and mythologies referred to in other threads and a bit of imaginative thinking is that the SJs are a race that can survive chestbursters due to some punishment from the god(s) be it for they angered them or are a creation of some dispandant group of gods, we are evolved versions of the SJs/creations of them meaning we do come from this planetary cluster in the film and explaining our shared DNA with the xenos this also explains why someone would wish to eliminate the SJs and us the ship that leaves the planet from the opening mechanical plates on the surface yet to save humanity the crew of the prometheus sacrifice them self by crashing into the derelict to cause it to spiral towards the ground. the "first" gen aliens are cargo of the derelict as if the SJs are not subjected to chestbursts they will die explaining murals and so on and the shape of the derelict as it resembles the worms and has the characteristic head the release of other cargo may trigger the atmospheric conditions seen in earlier films. irrespective as to whether you hear the trailer as "no it is an imitation" or "no it's an invitation" or the SJs and xenos were a form of bispiecies like (caterpillar/butterfly) that have since become independent of each other with the cargo being explained as a nursery open to criticism from the seriously hardcore and am open to alternatives but really want to know more about eyeworm variety shown in the trailers if you believe this belongs elsewhere or as a new thread please direct me to its location