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a_j216
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011Am I the only one who does not like this idea?
I think it could ruin the whole franchise. That to see the xeno's as possibly their children, or their evolution is greatly influenced by them - one of them being a mere crewman. The essence of them would be seen and felt in every alien film (i.e. whenever I'll see an alien now, I'll see Shaw and Holloway).
As perverted as it sounds, I think the sex between Shaw and Holloway (unfortunately) will be the turning point in the story. I can't even see the attraction anyway but this doesn't matter as it's been said.
If Shaw births a hugger, egg or whatever, it'll have an influence in paving way to the beginning of the alien race. I do not like this idea, even if it might be engineered by the Engineers/SJs etc.
I don't like the idea of the alien being partially a product of man - or should i say between this swede and american. I wouldn't mind if the pregnancy turns out to be some miscarriage or failed experiment.
Besides, at the end of the film Shaw is running from the derelict - i.e. healthy enough to run. And such ideas would make Holloway an equally important character but he's not ranked high when looking at cast lists. Let's just hope the consequences of the pregnancy is merely to hurt the crew and not turn into something greater like starting the alien race - otherwise Ridley has done more than just tampered and interfered with Alien (he would have completely ruined the mystery to it all and being that it's my favourite film, I can never enjoy it the same way again).
edit: I'll be honest. This is only just a film, mere entertainment, not even fact. But it greatly bothers me because Alien is my favourite film, and being a scifi fan, can never see certain things the same way again. That this sex could have such huge consequences (spawning a superior unstoppable race). It'll also cheapen everything given that these are two 'pretty' actors according to western film standards.
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Ruth
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011I hate the idea of pregnancy/etc. and I hope we won't see this in the film, it'd ruin everything for me. And if it turns out, that the story can't avoid that pregnancy thing, I'd be more happy to see that she gets pregnant after some experiment failure (like you said) but not after holloway/shit.

Juxtapose
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011is that Rapace screaming "please"....i cannot really make out cause her face is all contorted up in pain....might it be that other female....not Vickers or Shaw but the third one in the cast?
Anyway if one of them gives birth to anything then I won't be disappointed in the least bit....cannot see how that would ruin it for anyone?...we so used to seeing chestbursters exploding out of someone's chest....actually giving birth to something alien would be refreshing...IMO?

Ruth
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011Maybe, but the whole sex&Holloway thing is not appealing at all. But hosting some sort of life form after failed experiment would look pretty much cool to me.

Juxtapose
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011....plus a swollen belly and someone screaming...."please!!!"....does not necessarily mean pregnancy or birth....it could also be someone getting raped or tortured or in the process of mutating into something else....?

a_j216
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011Something alien that has no long term consequences, maybe.
But to start a race, that's something else.
But this is just my opinion.
It's bad enough Prometheus is going to be made, and ruin the mysteries made in the Alien film. The derelict explanation, I can live with, but the race theory, that's bothersome.
I always thought the Alien to be it's own unique race that could be just as old as man, and the SJ just an unfortunate victim when discovered. Only human arrogance could interfere with such notions of having two people - with a minor being effectively the Alien's 'Adam' - and having influences in the 'universe'.
Again, these are just my views. My only hope of all my worries being proved silly or wrong is the 'please' bit - but this could merely be Shaw asking the science team to hurry up in the birth process as it's proving to be too painful for her to bear?

a_j216
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011The rape idea is interesting though, and I prefer this route (not that I'm favouring rape in general!).

Gavin
MemberTrilobite12/29/2011What gets me is when Shaw is screaming "Please" she is upside down. Why is that?

a_j216
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011Could be she's on a table, face down, and the camera's shooting her from underneath?
(Holloway, you bastard, what have you done!?)

Theusprom
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011[quote]What gets me is when Shaw is screaming "Please" she is upside down. Why is that?[/quote]
I would presume that is the "rape" scene we have read about so many times.
The Xeno we all know and love has already been created 1,000s of years before the Prometheus timeline.They already exist in the Prometheus movie, so how can they be created?The Derelict on LV426 (which isn't in Prometheus) had thousands of hugger eggs, and that ship was eons old?

a_j216
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011Where's it written the aliens are thousands of years old, the derelict eons?
Mind you, I like this idea much more - that the derelict's left there for thousands/millions of years, and not just 30 years (Prom. set 30 yrs before Alien, so I heard).

Theusprom
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011In Alien the creature is fossilzed?Doesn't happen over night, takes thousands of years.

Gavin
MemberTrilobite12/29/2011Well there's the image of the bloated belly (that I cannot seem to find) and then there's these two images, which we can assume are before and after the "birthing" scene...
[img]http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/comicon24.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/comicon11.jpg[/img]
All these images show here led on her back. For clarification here are pictures from the "please" moment...
[img]http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/normal_20111219_firstlook18.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/normal_20111222_teasertrailer37.jpg[/img]

Theusprom
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011We don't even know the birthing scene is Shaw yet.There is another female in the cast Kate DIckie [url=http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0225483/]IMDB[/url]

Ruth
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011Okay, this may be a silly question, but I wonder who does the hand on the second picture belong to? If anyone knows.

Gavin
MemberTrilobite12/29/2011BM already ran a thread figuring out whom is whom, and this woman is Noomi Rapace, with 95% certainty.

Theusprom
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011
Who's BM?And how can you be 95% certain when you don't see the stomach and face in the same shot?

Frantz
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011i think the "please" is .." get it out of me" ...she is surely on a medical bed ( she have back light ) ... maybe someone ( vickers ? ) suggest that she have to carry on the pregnancy ..while she want it removed because she feel is not human ?

Gavin
MemberTrilobite12/29/2011BM = Biomechanic.
The face was inverted and compared to the actress.
...And its a logical assumption that this is the same person with the bloated stomach because of the lighting and because of this...
[img]http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/comicon23.jpg[/img]

Frantz
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011and yes we cant be sure that rapace is the same woman that is pregnant BUT is very probable that she is ( we see her in the medical bed ....we see her is underpants ...we see her after , probably , having made sex with halloway ...we see her in pain ...i mean we have many indication )

Theusprom
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011Yeah but the lighting on the medical bed shot is all different9green as opposed to blue) and what about the scene where she runs into the room and collapses, is that before or after this scene?
And to answer the question, why would it be a xeno she is giving birth to?

Gavin
MemberTrilobite12/29/2011This shot...
[img]http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/comicon11.jpg[/img]
Is most probably after the procedure.
Whereas as this shot...
[img]http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/normal_20111222_teasertrailer28.jpg[/img]
Is most probably before.
As for the mention of her giving birth to a Xenomorph, well that is pure fantasy that some have imagined maybe true, despite the fact that there is no evidence to suggest this.

Theusprom
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011So these scenes are at the end of the movie?, or do we think she is gonna give birth (to something not even human) then run around and save the earth?I just cannot swallow the birth bit, I mean the missus couldn't walk for days never mind run away from a crashing space ship.

Frantz
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011I dont think the birth to be the central focus of the movie ..will be a bit lame since it was used so many times before ...i think it will be solved in a way we dont expect .
-if there is an evil birth scene
-the boyfriend mutated that sacrify himself to save the girlfriend and earth
-the company suit that try to save xenomorphs
-the mutated crew that attack the non mutated ones
well then better they hire one of us to write plots next time ... i think ( and hope ) things will go in another way

Theusprom
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011[quote]I dont think the birth to be the central focus of the movie ..will be a bit lame since it was used so many times before ...i think it will be solved in a way we dont expect .
-if there is an evil birth scene
-the boyfriend mutated that sacrify himself to save the girlfriend and earth
-the company suit that try to save xenomorphs
-the mutated crew that attack the non mutated ones
well then better they hire one of us to write plots next time ... i think ( and hope ) things will go in another way [/quote]
Well said Frantz.
Could even be a godamn dream a la ALIENS

db73
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011[quote]I don't know frantz, some of the plots i've read here are even worse.[/quote]
Your not wrong there! Some people have generated some very peculiar ideas from the little evidence we have. But I'd rather people speculate than we know to much before seeing the film and spoil it. I think we're in for so e big surprises, which is good ...... As long as the surprises are not too surprising, if you know what I mean.

Mekja-Tek
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011I agree with the idea that the surprise people are looking forward is things staying ALIEN with little human/humanoid importance. Humanoid in SJ chamber ok, all the stuff that goes bump in the temple or derelict = unseen/proto/non humanoid ALIEN species. The space jockey being a space suit has done some mental damage to most, so seeing how PROMETHEUS leads to ALIEN in the last 8 minutes has me scared about all this DNA and mutation talk. I like practical science being used to develop these concepts. I like when an idea leaves you thinking about the horrors in the far reaches of space. The notion of experiments goes wrong, or exposure to a alien substance creating either mechanism (egg, facehugger, or proto xeno) due to hubris. Is not seller for me.

Mekja-Tek
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011I love ALIEN, I admire it's purity. It's timelessness is due in part to the unknown. To me an idea as uniquely put together as ALIEN, needs to be protected and not easily explained as to give us closure. But in truth should lead us to wonder what other life form could exist in this sinister military plot. I hope human element is only used as tracking device for the xeno aspect to the story. Just the way the Xeno in ALIEN simply looked at Jones the cat, and went on its merry way to get it some human flesh.

Kalaghan
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011I'll be prudent with the "parents" thing.
But I'm pretty sure that there's some sex in this movie. If you look at the picture where the guy is awaking, it seems there is somone else in the bed, juste behind...
And, this guy hugging his head, seems a bit sick to me... Or he's just suffering of the MEGA jet lag between our planet and his...

Micro changes in air density
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011It is Rapace. Also if you read her interviews she mentions that shooting the movie was both physically and mentally very tuff on her. I wonder do the jockeys target her because she is a very friendly woman in a bid to find a link to the creation of a new species
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