Building better worlds.

no im not totally sold on that terraforming thing ...the fire can be the possibility to manipulate DNA and/or the willing to know more ( Prometheus + Pandora ) I dont think the terraforming process is so "appetible" to be the main goal in a movie ...and terraforming is subjective ..what can be terraforming for us can be destruction for another race . So is not very plausible that the SJ race have the same needs of us and so their Spacejockeyplanetforming can be very different from Terraforming . I think this will remain a background process but not the main "fire" of the movie . Of course i can be totally wrong

Hey EP, That was tossed around alot previously. Now that the trailer has been released though I think it leans more towards being able to manipulate a biosphere not terraform a rock. If they SJ's can fly spaceships why couldn't they alter orbits of small object like frozen asteroids and cause them to crash into a planetoid for water or methane to help build an atmosphere. Terraforming should be easy for them you would think. But then again if they know about our greedy, expansionist and conniving ways and we started terraforming other planets and expanding our borders. We could pose an even larger problem to them than that of the xeno's. We could become the BORG in a few hundred years with mech-bio interfaces and a xeno hive mind mentality. :P Regards, Rick

True Frantz. Maybe the ability to manipulate DNA etc & terraforming could be part of the same tech? We could both be right, or both be wrong, or maybe even both right and wrong. The one thing that is buggin me the most though is what the hell did David pull out of that urn? Is it bioformer? a protoform face hugger? Life seeds? or something completely different?

whatever its i think is the "fire"

I agree Rick. Personally I think Weyland Yutani is far worse than the xeno's, Engineers, Predators or anything else for that matter. To quote Ripley when comparing the Xeno's to WY "You dont see them fucking each other over for a damn percentage"

Wether its the fire or not frantz (which it very well could be), whatever is in that urn is going to play a very important part.

I think what Fassbender pulls out is a bio-catalyst. Why else hold the assembly of smaller ampules in an organic slurry? Much like pulling smaller nuke warheads out of a much larger warhead. Same effect so the theory is sound. You mix the ampules up one has DNA, another RNA, another amino acids, and etc. Throw a single cell organism (capable of mutation) into the mix and walla. They load the smaller ampules up in a larger ampule load it into a penis shaped gun and launch it at a planet (ovum) and inseminate the ocean of a planet with life.

That is one sick theory. I like it!

I like your notion of an 'ampule gun' Rick! But whether or not it fires 'ampules', I really hope that the 'spacejockey seat' is indeed a 'gunners seat' of some sort. This should make for some great imagery in the movie if it is.

"walla" rick Shake & Bake !

Hey guys I just had an epiphone. What if its not terraforming or biosphering a planet. What if its theft of knowledge, I mean of the most fundamental kind. We all know every life form has a type of genetic memory. What if we stole how to make xeno's from the engineers and infected one to steal its limitless knowledge through the xeno. Why else would the company be so hell bent on getting it, knowledge. It has been our largest currency even today. I mean really who are we gonna wipe out with it realistically its not ourselves. We can neutron bomb ourselves now and be done with it (no residual radiation left over). What other purpose would the xeno serve? Theft of the Engineers knowledge through genetic storage and transference of genetic memory to the xeno then us capturing a/the xeno and us finding a way to transfer or download the knowledge from the xeno like a hostile thumb drive. I'm taking things a bit far but this is supposed to be futuristic they are already talking today about near future organic storage devices that can hold 1000 times more data than anything we have now thats mechanical. Rick

I like Fender better.

Hey bud thought you was MIA. Fender is part of a car. Care to elaborate? Regards, Rick

Hey Rick, I have been lurking around. I think you meant epiphany, Epiphone makes guitars. : )

BM, This is true they suck, unless its acoustic. Had one once. I prefer Ibanez over Fender. Fender makes good basses but their guitars are junk. Regardless, I think the latter of what I said holds up regardless of the typo :P Laters, Rick

Fact, RS is not going to referrance AVP in Prometheus. Therefore this mission represents a voyage into the unknown for the crew. They were obviously instructed to bring back whatever they could. Oddly I suppose the first FTL extrasolar system voyage by mankind doesn't need to account for mass, or the use of oxygen as the reps for Weyland apparently don't breathe being synthetics. While I like the insidious nature of stealing racial memories via a xenomorph this film represents a first encounter with a Weyland that is more than three decades earlier than that portrayed in Alien. Without any of the data from the AVP films they are going in with only what knowledge they were able to ascertain from the dig site where they discovered the coordinates to this alien planet where only the promise of finding something warrants an expenditure that would bankrupt entire national economies. Even microsoft couldn't finance this trip to Zeta Reticulae, so obvously the world economy is going to turn around in seven decades, just hold on people things are going to get better!

Hey GS, In this thread I am not referencing AvP or any of the prequels. I am using current knowledge. Genetic Memory is real and transferable. Take this from a hypothetical to a sci-fi possbility. Genetic memory retention from one generation to the next. No more losing our Einsteins, Mozarts, or Copernicus. Say this is something the SJ's learned how to do to advance their knowledge to the next level without degredation of data? This would be the biggest thing since Hot Apple Pie. I mean really...think about it, its mind blowing. We learn how to build atom bombs and the same guy given another 30 to 2000 years could build something that much bigger. The ends and abilities would be mind boggling. That kind of intuition and enginuity is never heard of but once in a life time and then being able to keep it alive and learning. Man the possibilities jusst don't end. Regards, Rick

Rick, I think it's possible the film will be a combination of your and Engineer Prototype's ideas - that the "fire" in this case, will be the Engineer's knowledge and power allowing them to create and "bioform" life on any level - in terms of organisms, or entire planets. These beings are basically "gods" - so, our desire to obtain the god's power to elevate ourselves to being "Gods and Engineers of Space" (through whatever biological matter is to be found in the "ampules") could be what the film's about, from what we know so far.

Another thought: could Weyland's desire for alien biotech to give him the lead in the race to "build better worlds" be the impetus for financing the Prometheus mission in the first place? Obviously, the sod, as Engineer succinctly put it, would want some sort-of financial payoff for his investment! ;)

I like the concept of genetic memoery. I still believe, as I've said in other posts, that there has to be something deeper than a Xeno creature. 1) I just can't see how humans would utilize the creature as a weapon. Hard to control. They are dangerous, and aren't really that hard to kill. Remeber small arms fire will kill them. I will grant you they would be THE most dangerous animal if they were released into earths Eco system; and it's no telling what might "evolve" from doing do, but its still an animal. So the evil corporation must be after something "deeper" that deals with the creatures biology, technology or whatever the heck it is an came from. 2) I just can't see the Xeno creature as an effective weapon for the Engineers or SJ's. I know people disagree. If they created it with this unknown technology, they would be able to kill it. Sending it to earth, unless it was intended to arrive with only swords in the hands of man, wouldn't destroy the planet or humans. Granted big problem, but not end of the world, unless there is something worse with the creature or it's biology/technology that we don't know about yet. Now could it have gotten out of control fort the engineers, caused accidents or possibly cause some catastrophic event for their species - maybe. I bet human scientists have created some virus strains that we can kill. Similar situation maybe. But again it's not the creature, it's something beneath its skin that is far more dangerous and disturbing. One final thought. I know the term "bio-mechanical" has been thrown around a lot. But other than it being the artistic theme of Geigers Art, what evidence is there that the Xeno is some kind of Borg/cyborg bio-techno hybrid? What does that even mean? Combo of metal/organic living tissue? Something beyond carbon based? I bring this up because from what I've seen, the Xeno breath, bleed, reproduce, and die. They have flesh, saliva, blood, skin, whatever form it actually is. What we don't know are what those tissue/things are made of in the creature itself. Unknown element? Something beyond DNA? DNA + something else? For all we know, the Xeno creature is some kind of microscopic composition of nano-robots simulating what we are used to thinking of as LIFE. But really the human body isn't different than a "high" developed robot in a grand sense meaning if you could simulate every organ, neuron, cell or dare I say DNA, chromosomes etc with metal, self repairing microprocessors, and synthetic blood, would that "thing" be alive? Artificial Intelligence if we create it, is it alive? If the computer learns, and the "brain" feels does it not have a soul if it's made of silicone? Now take that to another level with a combination of both carbon and silicone, artificial and living, synthetic and organic fused together. Is that Bio-mechanical? We don't know what this Xeno or Xeno technology is, or even if the alien goop was created. Maybe they found it, and tried to comtrol it. Maybe the engineers, we're trying to play god and really messed up! I hope we find out, and explore these sorts of "alien" concepts. Pun intended. There is a good chance the humans won't be Prometheus. There is just as good of a chance that the Engineers, and SJ' attempted to discover the meaning of life, and started messing with things they shouldn't have, and destroyed their own civilization. They are now having their livers chewed up for eternity! And.... Humans are about to make the same mistake....... genetic engineering, cloning anyone?

I like the idea of genetic memory. We think of life as tissue, blood, cells, DNA. We say that a robot with synthetics is not alive. (Some might argue) What if humans are a robot that something else created but used carbon, and cells, and DNA that was their form of computers or technology. Are we then not alive? Meaning we aren't even part of natural evolution. We were synthesized? Disturbing.

AE, Everything organic that has a life cycle has genetic memory. We pass the color of our eyes onto our children, our inherited diseases, hairloss, speech impediments, etc. Inside our gene's we record our surroundings via radiation levels we live in everyday, the types of food we eat, etc. This all gets stored and passed on through suttle mutations, so what makes memory any different? Nothing. Science today can trace our origins back a millenia to a bottle neck that they think occurred around the time of the biblical flood. Rick

I like Rick's epiphone! They want the Xeno... Terror forming doesn't happen until 57 years after the events in Alien. Why else would the Company decide to terrorform LV-426?

SYH, I think Terraforming had been around for a long while prior to Aliens. The Company Terraforming LV-426 was a cover to use to find the Derelict that the Nostromo found. What bothers me is what happened to the signal between the movies. 1.Why did the Derelict suddenly stop sending the signal or did it? 2. During Aliens I think the company was at Hadley's hope the entire time monitoring the marine-xeno interaction. At the very least sent a team prior to the marines showing up there. I don't think the xeno's cut the power I think the company did, prior to the Xeno assault. Does anyone have any info on this from the script or excerpts? Cameron never did show any exploration of the derelict which I so wanted to see. You got to see a crack in the side with convoluted platic drainage tubing with wires in. A real classic there and thats it. Also how did Newt's dad get face hugged but not her mom, really? Ok, Time to get back on subject. Rick